Discussion Incel is a BAD label for us, even if its accurate. Because it focuses on sex only.

[rubber-duckie]

If you did not have a libido, do you honestly think you would crave companionship with specifically women like you do now?

I know for a fact if I had no libido I would not look twice at a woman, because all romantic and "deeper" feelings of yearning men have for the opposite sex, is tied to the fact that we want to fuck them

You are falsely conflating that yearning for "something more" rather than acknowledging what is at the root of it

Without sexual desire there is no "love", not "romanticism", you wouldn't even want to do something "innocent" like cuddle specifically with a woman, you'd find a warm blanket to cozy up with if you weren't attracted to women sexually, your feelings of "loneliness" are tied to your sexuality

do you not believe in bonding chemicals such as the oxytocin being released during bareback sex, for instance?

i ask because ive observed plenty of men becoming "attached" to obviously toxic women without any rational reason

 

[BlkPillPres]

do you not believe in bonding chemicals such as the oxytocin being released during bareback sex, for instance?

i ask because ive observed plenty of men becoming "attached" to obviously toxic women without any rational reason

Yeah bonding hormones exist, and that's kind of part of my point, people who don't think introspectively falsely conflate natural biological stimuli with "something deeper", when all they really want is what the biological stimuli is trying to get them to want

We like to think of ourselves as in control, but our bodies are playing the carrot and stick game with us all the time, and if you don't think introspectively, you'll basically be "in the matrix", and always be at the mercy of your brains games, rather than you capitalizing on it to your benefit

One has to admit to themselves and acknowledge that the things we "feel deeply" aren't real and its just our minds playing tricks on us

 

[Deleted member 101]

Yeah bonding hormones exist, and that's kind of part of my point, people who don't think introspectively falsely conflate natural biological stimuli with "something deeper", when all they really want is what the biological stimuli is trying to get the to want

We like to think of ourselves as in control, but our bodies are playing the carrot and stick game with us all the time, and if you don't think introspectively, you'll basically be "in the matrix", and always be at the mercy of your brains games, rather than you capitalizing on it to your benefit

One has to admit to themselves and acknowledge that the things we "feel deeply" aren't real and its just our minds playing tricks on us

Then why do Chads who could just be single and fuck any girl at any time have girlfriends? Seems silly for Chads to have romantic relations of love isn’t real and men should only care about sex and nothing else’s

 

[rubber-duckie]

Yeah bonding hormones exist, and that's kind of part of my point, people who don't think introspectively falsely conflate natural biological stimuli with "something deeper", when all they really want is what the biological stimuli is trying to get them to want

We like to think of ourselves as in control, but our bodies are playing the carrot and stick game with us all the time, and if you don't think introspectively, you'll basically be "in the matrix", and always be at the mercy of your brains games, rather than you capitalizing on it to your benefit

One has to admit to themselves and acknowledge that the things we "feel deeply" aren't real and its just our minds playing tricks on us

indeed.

jonathan haidt talks about this in The Righteous Mind - he characterizes the human mind using the metaphor of the elephant and the rider.

he says that the human mind is a partnership between separate but connected entities and we like to believe we are the rider (all that is conscious), and as the rider, we can steer the elephant (all that is automatic) to travel in a certain direction. however, when it comes down to it, the elephant controls the show

 

[BlkPillPres]

Then why do Chads who could just be single and fuck any girl at any time have girlfriends? Seems silly for Chads to have romantic relations of love isn’t real and men should only care about sex and nothing else’s

As far as many Chads are concerned the illusion isn't an illusion, its reality, because they never really experience anything that disproves the illusion

It seems kind of weird for you to even ask a question that has such an obvious answer

If you believed in santa as a child, and every year your father would come through the chimney and leave gifts, and as you aged they just hired men to keep doing it, it would not be surprising if you kept believing in santa all into your adulthood even when other people "outgrew" it because they experienced the truth of it all

Chad never realizes its a lie, because he never has to, he gets positive reinforcement with everything he does, nothing happens to "break the immersion" of his experience as a human, this is also the reason why Chads and women period are never really introspective thinkers, I've never had a "deep" or interesting conversation (especially about anything existential) with a Chad or a woman, they aren't interested in shit like that

The illusion for them is an amusement park ride they never have to get off of, we got kicked off years ago

 

[Deleted member 101]

As far as many Chads are concerned the illusion isn't an illusion, its reality, because they never really experience anything that disproves the illusion

It seems kind of weird for you to even ask a question that has such an obvious answer

If you believed in santa as a child, and every year your father would come through the chimney and leave gifts, and as you aged they just hired men to keep doing it, it would not be surprising if you kept believing in santa all into your adulthood even when other people "outgrew" it because they experienced the truth of it all

Chad never realizes its a lie, because he never has to, he gets positive reinforcement with everything he does, nothing happens to "break the immersion" of his experience as a human, this is also the reason why Chads and women period are never really introspective thinkers, I've never had a "deep" or interesting conversation (especially about anything existential) with a Chad or a woman, they aren't interested in shit like that

The illusion for them is an amusement park ride they never have to get off of, we got kicked off years ago

Well then suicide is the only option because paid sex with women who would never want you in a million years is not the answer to me. If love does not exist then this world is not one worth living in.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Well then suicide is the only option because paid sex with women who would never want you in a million years is not the answer to me. If love does not exist then this world is not one worth living in.

JFL that is peak blue pill, super powers don't exist and that's way more amazing than love, why don't you kill yourself because you don't have powers?

Its because you weren't raised to value super powers as this attainable thing that you will one day get

Why is it that you are unable to think about these things from an outside looking in perspective, you keep speaking as if you are unable to seperate yourself from your reality as a human being and the values you were raised with, you literally aren't even trying, you are just going in circles and falling back on - "well I feel like this so I have no choice"

This is a waste of time, its like talking to a bot tbh, NPC tier thinking, doesn't matter what I say, you'll just go back to "muh feels"

 

[Descartes]

The lack of sex is the only factor of my inceldom that I care about

 

[Deleted member 101]

JFL that is peak blue pill, super powers don't exist and that's way more amazing than love, why don't you kill yourself because you don't have powers?

Its because you weren't raised to value super powers as this attainable thing that you will one day get

Why is it that you are unable to think about these things from an outside looking in perspective, you keep speaking as if you are unable to seperate yourself from your reality as a human being and the values you were raised with, you literally aren't even trying, you are just going in circles and falling back on - "well I feel like this so I have no choice"

This is a waste of time, its like talking to a bot tbh, NPC tier thinking, doesn't matter what I say, you'll just go back to "muh feels"

Then, what, just accept a life of isolation? Fuck that. Hell I fucking know you wanna be loved, too. I know you have ideal girls and have expressed that earlier that you wanted love. You are putting on a tough guy Chad act where only pussy matters and anyone who thinks otherwise is a cuck.
You can’t just tell a bunch of men to simply “stop” being lonely because our ancient ancestors never were lonely or whatever the fuck. You aren’t even advocating a solution other than “suck it up, pussy”. Maybe there is no solution but on paper love is more attainable than fucking super powers. That is a dumb comparison. No human wants to only be loved because society told him to. Humans for the most part are social animals who long for connection with others. This isn’t about “values”. Besides, escorts are illegal here and I have no money to fly to fucking Amsterdam and pay good money for a GFE. And is it gonna make me happy? Probably not. Sure sex sounds great but my depression isn’t about not getting pussy alone.

The lack of sex is the only factor of my inceldom that I care about

Then see a hooker

 

[muharremabi]

I never said its the only logical option, its just the easiest to access and pull off, the other options guys like yourself are too lazy to even try and get, you could wealthmax and move to an islamic state and there you could safely have a patriarchal family and not worry about being cucked so long as you never leave the country and pretend to be muslim, but you are unwilling ot make any sacrifices and would prefer to just come online and complain everyday

Speak for yourself. Wealthmaxxing has never been an option for shithole livers and will never be because they usually have a low iq and do not have the background to pursue an academic career.. Plus I have autism. You're probably an ethnic lives in a western country because western curries always worship Islam. I already live in an Islamic State(Turkey). Your best bet is arangemarriedmaxxing which means you'll still have to be a betabuxx for it. You're high IQ and lucky enough to live in a developed country so you'll eventually achieve economic prosperity.