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It's more complicated than thatThe west is a fundamentally atheist society, any religion when it stays long enough there will eventually get buck broken. Happened to Paganism, Christianity, Judaism and now Islam.
Also the Protestant reformation in my opinion was a horrible event that basically doomed Christianity in the West. I come from evangelical / fundamentalist background and have little respect for it… it's a lot more cucked the something traditional like Catholicism / Orthodoxy. I am at a somewhat ambiguous point of belief (de facto agnostic I guess) but if were to re-involve myself in Christianity it would certainly not be evangelicalism, which I in some ways hold responsible for making me an incel.and in-turn the Enlightenment severed reason from revelation
intEResting...as an orthodox, I believe it is pre-denominational. You can't strip apostolic Christianity from traditions that protestants do, BUT there is just one blackpill here you need to swallow.Also the Protestant reformation in my opinion was a horrible event that basically doomed Christianity in the West.![]()
I come from evangelical / fundamentalist background and have little respect for it… it's a lot more cucked the something traditional like Catholicism / Orthodoxy. I am at a somewhat ambiguous point of belief (de facto agnostic I guess) but if were to re-involve myself in Christianity it would certainly not be evangelicalism, which I in some ways hold responsible for making me an incel.
which I in some ways hold responsible for making me an incel.
It's all genetics.What I'm getting at is that western institutions eventually break down religious fervour it all started with the Romans who had early forms of what would become western institutions, they were pagan and this fervour eventually died down and got replaced with Christianity. Christianity had its time in the early modern era but as said institutions got its footing and strengthened, Christianity waned and got replaced by Judaism and a growing atheism. Judaism ruled with capitalism/liberalism in the mid 1800s and then the cycle repeated and with no religion to take its place atheism came about, and now those institutions are just doing the same to Islam that's why clips like this exist and why as they assimilate it will continue until a great rift between western and Arabic Muslims arise.It's more complicated than that
Athiesm didn't buck-break Paganism. Christianity demolished Paganism, and in-turn the Enlightenment severed reason from revelation.
“I think” replaces “God has spoken” as the foundation, and revelation must be “reasonable” to be accepted. The West was built from Christianity.
Judaism reconstituted into modern-day Rabbincal Judaism you know today after the Second Temple was destroyed by the Roman Empire.
Islam fluctuates up and down. It's mostly communal enforcement through culture. On a legislative level, it is far from it's classical orthodoxy.
I agree with you. Fundamentalists draw their basis from grifters in Oklahoma boondocks and disparage centuries of tradition for being "oppressive" (while being 10x more oppressive themselves)You can't strip apostolic Christianity from traditions that protestants do
I'm sorry, but I don't think I can ever be convinced there isn't a social aspect. I edited my original comment with more context on why I believe that… (also not denying blackpill, just think there's more)It's all genetics.
What do you mean by this? Because at first, Christianity was heavily persecuted before Constantine legalised Christianity and it soon Christianity took over the Roman Empire. It replaced the Roman paganism metaphysics and addressed other heresies that offshot from Christianity (See Council of Nicaea and others)What I'm getting at is that western institutions eventually break down religious fervour it all started with the Romans who had early forms of what would become western institutions, they were pagan and this fervour eventually died down and got replaced with Christianity.
No. The East-West split occurred in 1050 AD. The metaphysical split that you're talking about happened roughly later in the West due to the the Enlightenment. These were comprised of deists or similar, not outright atheists who came post-Enlightenment. These were formal heretics.Christianity had its time in the early modern era but as said institutions got its footing and strengthened, Christianity waned and got replaced by Judaism and a growing atheism.
That shit is not happening in the Islamic world the way you're saying it is. They don't have Western history or the same relationship with Judaism. Liberalism is post-Christianity, not post-Judaism. Haskalah (Jewish Enlightenment) was a response from European Jews to the already-existing European Enlightenment. Keep in mind even during the Enlightenment, there were still devote Catholics, and Jews devoted to Rabbinical Judaism.now those institutions are just doing the same to Islam that's why clips like this exist and why as they assimilate it will continue until a great rift between western and Arabic Muslims arise.
What about stats?Sexual purity combined with social isolation ruined me from a young age, giving me no outlet for potential partnership and assuring I would be incapable to obtain it even when eventually given the chance. I know Catholicism also entails some of the same, but the social integration of Catholicism (at least in theory) makes mate-finding more straightforward. The stark individualism of my brand of fundamentalist evangelicalism ensured that would not be the case, and I will never forgive them for this!
I haven't discussed that on here so far. But in my own estimation I, look something like ER in the face. And I'm not terribly tall or short. All in all, I'm nothing that attracts special attention.What about stats?
I think it started out well but just snowballed into a giant clusterfuck. The modern american evangelicals are so far removed from people like Luther or Calvin that it's hard to even call them Protestant. And what counts as protestantism is a different headache all in itselfAlso the Protestant reformation in my opinion was a horrible event that basically doomed Christianity in the West.
Roman Paganism was bureaucratised and that kinda kills the fervour behind any religion, which is my whole point that atheism is the end goal of the west because our ideas that we have put into government since the Roman times like democracy liberty and secularized government are inherently anti spiritualism.What do you mean by this? Because at first, Christianity was heavily persecuted before Constantine legalised Christianity and it soon Christianity took over the Roman Empire. It replaced the Roman paganism metaphysics and addressed other heresies that offshot from Christianity (See Council of Nicaea and others)
I'm talking about just the general ruling class who held power after the fall of Rome until the industrial revolution in the west, it was Christians.No. The East-West split occurred in 1050 AD. The metaphysical split that you're talking about happened roughly later in the West due to the the Enlightenment. These were comprised of deists or similar, not outright atheists who came post-Enlightenment. These were formal heretics.
It didn't grow as a mass religion, but it held immense power amongst the ruling class with liberalism, as it's inherently a Jewish ideology.Judaism never grew in the West. Christian West did not have love for the Jews, and the Jews hated Europe and Christians with a passion.
The Second Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. This is why I said for their religion to survive, they had to reconstitute "Judaism" to Rabbinical Judaism. (Keep in mind, to Christians, the original Judaism is continued in Apostolic Christianity, and Judaism as we know it today is a Christological heresy.)
Not in the Islamic world but in the west you can already see that second generation immigrants are less religious and that trend will continue even though now in the west Islam has high fervour as Christianity once did with its crusades. But the institutions of the west have grown so strong that it just is so anti religion, they can't survive here. Christianity nowadays is kinda irrelevant and Islam in the west will have the same fate, both will eventually be religions with a decent size whom most of which are very tame followers.That shit is not happening in the Islamic world the way you're saying it is and I don't like Islam. They don't have Western history or the same relationship with Judaism. Liberalism is post-Christianity, not post-Judaism. Haskalah (Jewish Enlightenment) was a response from European Jews to the already-existing European Enlightenment. Keep in mind even during the Enlightenment, there were still devote Catholics, and Jews devoted to Rabbinical Judaism.
This is very true. But Luther ultimately created problems that wouldn't exist otherwise, so he can still be blamed to a legitimate extent.The modern american evangelicals are so far removed from people like Luther
The Catholic era of marrying the neighbour next door by asking her father is completely lost. Look at Ireland 50 years ago, and look at it now. Humans always ruin what God has made. The culture among Gen Z and the West right now, specifically relationship, is GRID-locked. I literally have no idea how you can defeat hypergamy right now when it's like an eldritch SCP overlooking everybody with their tentacles. Born too early to crusade or farm|industrialmaxx with a loyal wife, born too late for stacyrobots.I know Catholicism also entails some of the same, but the social integration of Catholicism (at least in theory) makes mate-finding more straightforward.
Yeah, at the end of the day it's kinda picking the lesser evils. Either you accept Luther's legitimate criticisms and reforms and all the problems that come with it, or support the papacy which strayed quite heavily from the truth and corruption.This is very true. But Luther ultimately created problems that wouldn't exist otherwise, so he can still be blamed to a legitimate extent.
Damn that's tough… secret third option: heathenmaxxYeah, at the end of the day it's kinda picking the lesser evils. Either you accept Luther's legitimate criticisms and reforms and all the problems that come with it, or support the papacy which strayed quite heavily from the truth and corruption.
Damn that's tough… secret third option: heathenmaxx![]()
I think you switched early/late options but I understand what you're saying. If the religious girl-nextdoor safety net of Catholicism is truly lost, then yes, hypergamy is going to run unchecked.The Catholic era of marrying the neighbour next door by asking her father is completely lost. Look at Ireland 50 years ago, and look at it now. Humans always ruin what God has made. The culture among Gen Z and the West right now, specifically relationship, is GRID-locked. I literally have no idea how you can defeat hypergamy right now when it's like an eldritch SCP overlooking everybody with their tentacles. Born too early to crusade or farm|industrialmaxx with a loyal wife, born too late for stacyrobots.
Some of the most spiritually intense societies ever were extremely bureaucratic. Islamic Caliphates. Byzantine Orthodoxy. Medieval Catholic Church. We kind of need to define the terms democracy, liberty, and secularized/secularism or we'll talk past-each others because these concepts could've exist back in the Roman empire but now how they're thought of today.Roman Paganism was bureaucratised and that kinda kills the fervour behind any religion, which is my whole point that atheism is the end goal of the west because our ideas that we have put into government since the Roman times like democracy liberty and secularized government are inherently anti spiritualism.
Judaism did not hold immense power amongst the ruling class as liberalism is not even organic with Judaism. Liberalism is a product of secularized Christian inheritance. I get what you're alluding to about the Jews though and ZOG n shietIt didn't grow as a mass religion, but it held immense power amongst the ruling class with liberalism, as it's inherently a Jewish ideology.
People forget that the Islamic world was going very tame before the jihad in Afghanistan, and then the global jihad movement across the MENA and other Muslim regions post-9/11. Osama Bin Laden, taught by Abdullah Azzam, really created a fundamentalist-boom across the Islamic world. So when it comes with Muslims, you never know. And I think the statistics show that Gen Z are becoming more religious.Not in the Islamic world but in the west you can already see that second generation immigrants are less religious and that trend will continue even though now in the west Islam has high fervour as Christianity once did with its crusades. But the institutions of the west have grown so strong that it just is so anti religion, they can't survive here. Christianity nowadays is kinda irrelevant and Islam in the west will have the same fate, both will eventually be religions with a decent size whom most of which are very tame followers.
Interesting, ill have to read up on this.Some of the most spiritually intense societies ever were extremely bureaucratic. Islamic Caliphates. Byzantine Orthodoxy. Medieval Catholic Church.
I disagree, Jews are bankers, lawyers all those white collar jobs and liberalism benefits them greatly. It's an ideology which promotes tolerance between religion which at the time the Jews were not having the best of time, and it supports the free market which grants jews a lot of money from their high status and money lending etc and that gives them influence so really without free market capitalism the influence of Jews wouldn't be so great since their money would hold less value.liberalism is not even organic with Judaism
Among Christians maybe, but again the secularized governments of the west will prohibit real change, we won't ever have that strong Christianity like in the Middle Ages. As for immigrant Muslims they show signs of the opposite already among them, you'll see them drink alcohol and do many other prohibited things but won't eat pork and that really is the first hole in their religious fortitude, the same thing happened among Christians in the 20th century.And I think the statistics show that Gen Z are becoming more religious.
intEResting, I'll read and look further into this as well.I disagree, Jews are bankers, lawyers all those white collar jobs and liberalism benefits them greatly. It's an ideology which promotes tolerance between religion which at the time the Jews were not having the best of time, and it supports the free market which grants jews a lot of money from their high status and money lending etc and that gives them influence so really without free market capitalism the influence of Jews wouldn't be so great since their money would hold less value.
intEResting, I'll read and look further into this as well.





