Jfl at a Christ cuck being a blackpiller and calling anybody low iq.
From what ive read about satanism, id better be satanist rather than cristianist. As incel, you dont want to get both your cheeks slapped.
The number of people on my thread rn proves that religion truly is at the bottom of the incel question. Wow...
Believing in In Zombies is HIGH IQ
This tbh tbh ;-)
Has it been explained how believing in one specific non-existent god instead of being athiest possibly pisses of an uncountable amount of other gods too?
the existence of religious omnipotent gods can easily be disproved by simple logic. A god that takes any action over time is far from being a perfect being, thus far from being truly absolute and omnipotent.
Are you fucking serious? they didnt even let him talk lmao just shouting over him all the time.
Religion, even as a cope, is low iq as fuck, and the fact that you are posting that shit video as an example of atheists being bad in a debate is proof of it.
you camt just "change" your entite worldview at will. yhisbis an insult to the blackpill, which is supposed tobbe about the COLD UNADULTERED TRUTH
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unless all actions are predetermined in the first place
does not make sense. if a gods actions are predetermined then they arennot under its control, so its not omnipotent. If a gods actions are under his control, it means he wants to change something. If at any point you need to change something you are not absolute perfection. Omnipotence and perfection would not require any change or actiom being taken, because you are superior to even the concept of time.
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What I meant was all possibilities would have been precalculated before the start of the universe. God made the decision to put the universe on a certain trajectory before it started and has already decided all the outcomes before they have occured.
Who designed the designer if everything requires a designer?
This discussion is taking place on an incel forum
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There isn't any god... I can't see any reason to believe I'm one....
I won't say Nietshe is my overlord... nor my Lord at all...
Here is the 13 attributes of the muslim god, Allah. I don't know if you'd consider him perfect or not.
1- Existence (al-Wujud): It is obligatory to believe in the Existence of Allah. Allah said:
{أَفِي اللهِ شَكٌّ}
which means: [There is no doubt in the Existence of Allah.] Hence, it is obligatory to believe in the Existence of Allah. It is an eternal and everlasting attribute. Allah exists without a beginning, without an ending, and without a place.
2- Oneness (al-Wahdaniyyah): It is obligatory to believe Allah is One without a partner. Allah said:
{فَاعْلَمْ أَنَّهُ لا إِلَهَ إِلاَّ اللهُ وَاسْتَغْفِرْ لِذَنبِكَ}
which means: [Know that no one is God except Allah.] Allah is One in His Self, Attributes, and Doings--hence Allah has no equal. So we say, for example: "Allah is the Creator and no one is a creator except Allah". Allah is One but not as in numbers, because numbers are created. Rather, He is One in that there is no partner with Him.
3- Eternity (al-Qidam): It is obligatory to believe Allah is Eternal, i.e., there is no beginning to His Existence. His attributes are also eternal. Nothing is eternal except Allah and His attributes.
4- Everlastingness (al-Baqa'): It is obligatory to believe Allah is everlasting i.e., His Existence does not end. His Existence is everlasting and His attributes are everlasting. There is nothing everlasting in itself except Allah, because annihilation does not apply to His Self. However, Paradise and Hell are everlasting because Allah willed their everlastingness. Hence, they are everlasting--not in their selves--but because of other than their selves. This is why they are among the intellectual possibilities, and they are part of this universe. Allah said:
{هُوَ الأَوَّلُ وَالآخِرُ }
which means: [Allah is the Eternal, without a beginning, and the Everlasting, without an ending.]
5- Non-neediness of others (al-Qiyamu bin-Nafs): Allah said:
{اللهُ الصَّمَدُ}
which means: [Allah is the Master Who is resorted to in one's needs.] Allah does not need anything. He does not need one to give Him existence because He exists without a beginning. Also, He does not need one to specify Him with Knowledge, instead of ignorance, or other than that among His Attributes, because His attributes exist without a beginning.
6- Non-Resemblance to the Creation (al-Mukhalafatu lil-hawadith): Allah does not resemble any of His creatures--neither in His Self nor in His Attributes nor in His Doings. Allah said:
{لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَىْءٌ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ البَصِيرُ}
which means: [Absolutely there is nothing like Him.] Imam Abu Hanifah said: "The Creator does not resemble His creatures."
7- Power (al-Qudrah): It is obligatory to believe Allah is attributed with Power, which is defined as an eternal and everlasting attribute of Allah related to giving existence to and annihilating what is intellectually possible. Allah said:
{إِنَّ اللهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَىْءٍ قَدِيرٌ}
which means: [Allah has the Power over everything.] That is, Allah's Power relates to all things that are intellectually possible. Hence, the Power of Allah is not related to the intellectually necessary neither in creating nor annihilating, because annihilation does not apply to it in the first place. The power of Allah is not related to the intellectually impossible neither in creating nor annihilating because existence in the first place does not apply to that which is intellectually impossible. The fact that the power of Allah is not related to the intellectually necessary and the intellectually impossible is not powerlessness, but rather indicates the perfection of Allah. Also, this fact conforms to the judgment of the mind: the intellectually impossible does not turn into an intellectual possibility, and the intellectually necessary does not turn into an intellectual possibility. The Power of Allah is related to the normal impossibilities. For example, although the existence of a sea of mercury is an intellectual possibility, it does not occur, and the Power of Allah is related to it.
8- Will (al-‘Iradah): It is obligatory to believe Allah is attributed with Will. It is defined as an eternal and everlasting attribute by which Allah specifies the creatures who are intellectual possibilities with some attributes among what is possible for them. An example is specifying a green colored board with green instead of other possible colors. There is no difference in that regard between good and evil, blasphemy and belief, winning and losing, and other opposites among what is intellectually possible.
9- Knowledge (al-^Ilm): It is obligatory to believe Allah is attributed with Knowledge. This is an eternal and everlasting attribute of His Self. Allah knows eternally about His Self, attributes, and what He creates. Nothing is absent from His Knowledge.
10- Life (al-Hayah): It is obligatory to believe Allah is attributed with Life. Allah said:
{اللهُ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الْحَيُّ الْقَيُّومُ}
which means: [There is no God but Allah, and He is attributed with Life, and His existence does not end.] Life is an eternal and everlasting attribute of Allah. The Life of Allah is not like our life, because our life needs a combination of body and soul; however, the Life of Allah is His attribute.
11- Hearing (as-Sam^): It is obligatory to believe Allah is attributed with Hearing. This is an eternal and everlasting attribute of Allah with which Allah hears all things that are hearable. There is no difference between what is near to us and what is far from us because Allah is not in a place. He hears without an ear, without means, and without instruments. His hearing is not subject to weakening nor change because weakness and change are non-befitting to Allah. Allah said:
{وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ البَصِير}
which means: [He is the One attributed with Hearing and Sight.]
12- Sight (al-Basar): It is obligatory to believe Allah is attributed with Sight. This is an eternal and everlasting attribute of Allah with which He sees all things that are seeable, without an instrument and without means. He sees the things that are far away from us and those that are near to us without any difference because Allah is not in a place. His attribute of Sight does not change or develop, because the One whose Self is eternal does not develop or change. Allah's attributes are eternal and do not develop or change.
13- Speech (al-Kalam) : It is obligatory to believe Allah is attributed with Speech (Kalam). This is an eternal and everlasting attribute with which Allah orders, forbids, and informs. It is not a letter nor a sound nor a language. The Qur'an and the other revealed Books are expressions of the eternal Kalam of the Self of Allah. When we write the word "Allah" it is an expression of the Self of Allah. Likewise, the words and sentences of the revealed Books are expressions of the Kalam of Allah. The Qur'an is called the Kalam of Allah because it is not authored by Prophet Muhammad or Angel Jibril.
So you would rather cope with religion or believing in some sort of deity? How is that even better? As incels, we have sought the truth ( the blackpill and how shit life is for ugly males), so whats wrong with following another "concept" that aims to seek the truth/ lack of belief in god and/or religion?
Religion clearly hasn't solved your problems OP
The guy got himself in a corner all by himself when he started talking about the Big Bang. The Big Bang does not support atheism more than theism and was actually formulated by a Belgian priest (Georges Lemaître).
He was so bad it was probably a false flag.
I wouldn't say it entirely has, but it helped me reach levels of functionality in my daily life that were undreamed of a few years back.
Because while the blackpill is a demonstrable truth, or at least a demonstrable stochastic process, atheism is no such thing. There is no proof that God doesn't exist and there will never be.
Atheism? Sure. Agnosticism? No.
Also there's a difference between understanding that religion based limitation of women's rights are beneficial to society, and to actually believe in the bullshit content of the religion. A benevolent, almighty god? My fucking ass. We and this site wouldn't exist if that were true.
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is theres a god hes a piece of shit
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If your bullshit garbage known as religion never came out in the first place we would be at the technological level where we could all spend money to medically make ourselves chad.
No, indeed. You need reasons to believe.
Here's two, completely random, not defending the Abrahamic God in particular but the possibility of a deity, or something approaching:
- Have you ever played Mass Effect ? (just play the first 3, the last sucks) These video games deal partly with the theme of a very ancient synthetic species with super intelligence that already lived in a dark corner of the Universe millions of years before humans came into being. This sounds ridiculous, but it is physically and mathematically possible; what if we are not the first intelligent species? After all, there are billions and billions of planets and the Universe is far older than us. Admitting that humans may not be the smartest beings in the Universe is the first step.
- Have you watched Oblivion, that movie with Tom Cruise? You should.
Here are a few defending the possibility of the Abrahamic God. I don't find them fully convincing (my faith in the Christian God is weak overall, though existent):
- Our sense of morality and altruism. It can be explained by Evolution, but no theory so far is fully satisfying. The more you think about morality, the less you understand it from a rational angle. If it's merely about the fear of being rejected by the group, how come you feel guilty even when no one saw you commit an evil act, and there's no chance you'll ever be caught? (Sure, some atheists and amoralists never feel guilty about anything. But that doesn't explain why many have in them, from childhood and without particular indoctrination, this instinct towards moral behavior when in many cases it acts against the interests of the so-called selfish gene.)
- The incredible understanding of human psychology displayed by Christianity, so perfect that it may have been divinely inspired. Christianity was blackpilled before the term existed. The Bible may suck as a literary fiction, but its understanding of the human brain is top notch. Christianity knew that without the stick of Hell and the carrot of Heaven, human society quickly devolves into complete chaos. And so far, nothing has disproved it. The West is currently dying demographically as a result of abandoning Christianity, for starters.
So.... I don't know. Your logic isn't logical at all.
Believing in god helps you deal with your inceldom, so anyone who is also an incel who doesn't believe in god is dumb?
If I believed in god, I would spend most of my time trying to find a way to commit deicide. And, really, I don't know how people convince themselves of things they know aren't true; that simply isn't possible for me.
Believing in god helps you deal with your inceldom, so anyone who is also an incel who doesn't believe in god is dumb?
If I believed in god, I would spend most of my time trying to find a way to commit deicide. And, really, I don't know how people convince themselves of things they know aren't true; that simply isn't possible for me.
That's complete bullshit. Christianity never directly harmed technological progress. The fact there was few progress in the Middle Ages is simply because the Europeans channeled most innovation towards military technology, just like the Romans had done. Harsh conditions and constant warfare justified it.
Why don't you criticize the pagan Romans for having failed to give you advanced human genetic engineering?
pointless to make that first decision if you are already everything and perfection
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I don't know if theres a god or not. But I'm pretty fucking sure that death means nothingness for eternity.
the first point: even if we were actually created by anoyher superbcivilization (which I doubt but still cant assure) doesnt mean that they are any kind of deity. They are just on a level so superior that they may seem like "deities" in comparison. Hell there could even exist beings that live in higher dimensions than us, able to bend space and time, and that still wouldnt qualify to be a religious god.
About morality, its about empathy, which is a necessary trait in order for a social species to survive.
I know a lot about philosophy, and I can tell you that you say a lot of bullshit. You don't choose an opinion because of its utility. If so, please choose to think you're a very attractive guy without any will to go in a relationship. Your life will be much easier. Pro tip : you can't, because you don't choose that shit. Same thing goes with religion.
Thus, from a consequentialist standpoint, a morally right act (or omission from acting) is one that will produce a good outcome, or consequence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequentialism
Because atheism harms your mind and your life, and thus the mind and life of others, atheism is evil and must be avoided. Believing or not believing is an act.
You are Chad.
Yeah I know about consequentialism. Yet, it does not proove your point. Consequentialism is a way to define good and evil. It allows you to know what you should do. But it won't tell you what is true or not. It would be much simpler and usefull if the second law of thermodynamic could be broken. Yet, I can't say this law should be considered wrong because it would have good consequences.
To proove your point, you have to say that believing is a deliberate act. But it is not. For example, could you believe in Santa ? I don't mean in a metaphorical and poetical way. I mean, could you really, right now, make the choice to really think Santa exists ? No. Believing in something might be described as an act, but it is not a deliberate act.
Moreover, believing or not believing in something do not depends on the good or bad outcome of it, but on proofs or theoretic arguments. For example, the question of whether or not we have free will (we feel like we have free will, but recent investigations in neuro sciences shows that it might all come down to deterministics and causal cerebral interactions) : it's way better for us if free will exists, but it is absolutely not an argument about its existence. You won't believe in free will because it's cool, but because you have good reasons to think the brain works in such and such way, etc.
Yeah. The older you get, the less you care about truth and the more you care about your psychological welfare.
Believing in something that isn't real beats ending up in a psychiatric asylum. All studies have shown that religious people are far happier and far healthier on average.
Ok, I might have underestimated the force of your will. Maybe you could believe in Santa, and then, believing in god is clearly a good option. Yet I wouldn't say it's low IQ not to believe in it. Because it's very difficult, for most of people, to choose to believe in something only thanks to their will.
Though, I do believe something like a god exists (even though I was raised in an atheist family), but because of theoretic reasons.
"the older you get" > how old are you ?
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Faith, or lack thereof, is not a choice. It is impossible to force oneself to believe or not to.Faith is a feeling, not a conviction.
25. I came extremely close to suicide a few years ago and religion is the only thing that saved me at the time. When I mean religion, I do not mean Christianity (this came far later), but extropianism and singularitarianism (arguably pseudo-religions, because they are based on rational elements but their optimism is not fully based on rationality). Reading books on AI and future technological progress convinced me that science held the key to the end of inceldom. I later embraced more traditional religious viewpoints, while still retaining my love for science and technology.
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I'm 25 as well. Will look into extropianism, never heard before.
There are religiouscels here, clearly religion isn't helping them.
Worshipping a god that condemned you to the hell of inceldom while Chad and Stacey get to live life on god mode is the ultimate form of cuckery.
Some people, by reason of personality, naturally lack an interest about religion, philosophy, metaphysics and things like that. Nothing exactly wrong with it, but OP is right by saying that atheism can increase your pain as an incel.
Too much materialism, nihilism and godlessness make you lose perspective, that's kinda what Antonio Gramsci talked about with his "total worldliness of thought" idea. I'll illustrate how it makes you suffer more:
Some totally materialistic, atheist incel sees a 10/10 white young Chad with an equally high level female companion:
Damn, I'm so fucked up, why did I have to be born like that, I'm hideous, nature fucked me up, being a good-looking biologically successful Chad is all life is really worth living for, life is meaningless and I should just kill myself if not a Chad, there's nothing other than our life here and I had to be born like that, fuck, I bet this Chad's life is absolutely perfect, nothing but pleasure and happiness, fuck my life, I'm roping tomorrow.
A person with some religious, metaphysical and philosophical background sees that same scene (I will, at the risk of sounding intellectually boastful, use myself and my philosophical Pessimistic, Gnostic and Theravada influences as an example):
Look at this. This world here is indeed a brutal Darwinian competition where losers have no place. The basis of life here is competition, mangling of other living beings in order to feed oneself, and on top of that, we're all in an one-way train towards death. That Chad right there is indisputably a biological victor over me, but his victory is only relative, for in relation with this cruel biological system in which we're both trapped, that is life here, we're both losers. He may attain relative immortality through reproduction, but it's a false immortality, for all created things will be destroyed and no true immortality is possible within the created real. He may attain more pleasure, validation, etc, than me, but he is, just like me, vulnerable at all times to pain, sickness, mutilation, agony, disease, and even if he lives a fairly enjoyable life, he will have to leave all of it behind when death invariably comes. Both the biggest loser incel's and the most successful Chad's lives were just tiny, insignificant flashes within infinity.
When an atheist-materialist type sees something such as someone losing a limb, he might think: Damn, bad luck, this guy is now a loser, so much for him, I hope that never happens to me!
When I see it, I think: This is the very nature of this flawed material world and absolutely everyone is susceptible to things like that at all times.
I know people will call "cope" on all I've said, but I sincerely don't care. Being trapped in the confined space of human social shallowness without putting things in perspective with the infinite is unbearable and is what led people like ER to snap. I can't live like that.
Too much materialism, nihilism and godlessness make you lose perspective, that's kinda what Antonio Gramsci talked about with his "total worldliness of thought" idea. I'll illustrate how it makes you suffer more:
Some totally materialistic, atheist incel sees a 10/10 white young Chad with an equally high level female companion:
Damn, I'm so fucked up, why did I have to be born like that, I'm hideous, nature fucked me up, being a good-looking biologically successful Chad is all life is really worth living for, life is meaningless and I should just kill myself if not a Chad, there's nothing other than our life here and I had to be born like that, fuck, I bet this Chad's life is absolutely perfect, nothing but pleasure and happiness, fuck my life, I'm roping tomorrow.
A person with some religious, metaphysical and philosophical background sees that same scene (I will, at the risk of sounding intellectually boastful, use myself and my philosophical Pessimistic, Gnostic and Theravada influences as an example):
Look at this. This world here is indeed a brutal Darwinian competition where losers have no place. The basis of life here is competition, mangling of other living beings in order to feed oneself, and on top of that, we're all in an one-way train towards death. That Chad right there is indisputably a biological victor over me, but his victory is only relative, for in relation with this cruel biological system in which we're both trapped, that is life here, we're both losers. He may attain relative immortality through reproduction, but it's a false immortality, for all created things will be destroyed and no true immortality is possible within the created real. He may attain more pleasure, validation, etc, than me, but he is, just like me, vulnerable at all times to pain, sickness, mutilation, agony, disease, and even if he lives a fairly enjoyable life, he will have to leave all of it behind when death invariably comes. Both the biggest loser incel's and the most successful Chad's lives were just tiny, insignificant flashes within infinity.
When an atheist-materialist type sees something such as someone losing a limb, he might think: Damn, bad luck, this guy is now a loser, so much for him, I hope that never happens to me!
When I see it, I think: This is the very nature of this flawed material world and absolutely everyone is susceptible to things like that at all times.
I know people will call "cope" on all I've said, but I sincerely don't care. Being trapped in the confined space of human social shallowness without putting things in perspective with the infinite is unbearable and is what led people like ER to snap. I can't live like that.
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According to Christianity, fornicators like Chad and Stacey will burn in lakes of fire for eternity
According to Christianity, fornicators like Chad and Stacey will burn in lakes of fire for eternity
And we get to live hell on Earth...why exactly?
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My people are Buddhists. In their eyes we all need to shut the fuck up because we should suffer in silence. And constantly desiring sex is considered unclean. Im an atheist, i believe in evolution.
Pop and mom are right: has whining ever improved your situation?
It's about life hating in general
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Simply using this site would fall into that definition in their eyes, so tell me, has it?
I don't think Buddhism is as simple as "you should stop whining".
It's more about "you should stop whining about things that don't matter". Having sex does not matter from a Buddhist perspective, because we're all decaying cadavers already, and raw pleasure never brings happiness. Do you deny the existence of Prince Siddhartha? He had everything you wanted but saw that it was all a deception. The flesh lies, it is never satisfied, it always wants more. If you fucked bloody a 8/10 Stacy every day, you'd soon want a 9/10 Stacy, and it would never end.
religion is a cope for people who are too weak to live with things they can’t comprehend. that and conservative snowflakes who need an echo chamber/safe space for their idiotic beliefs
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