Serious If You Are Going To Be Indefinitely Incel From This Point Forward (No Future Prospects For Sex) Then There Is No Reason Not To Be A Porn Addict

[AlexanderTheGreat11]

I wouldn't recommend porn , But it can be a good cope. Sucks to be dickmogged though

 

[BrapZilian]

Just become a cumbrian coomer theory

 

[ovrload]

sexpat > porn addict > nofap cuck

Arent you the whitecel fucking whores in Thailand JFL

Coooooooom. Being a cumbrain ain't good though.

The key is moderation my fren, everything in large or excessively high amounts will rewire your brain.

 

[BlkPillPres]

The key is moderation my fren, everything in large or excessively high amounts will rewire your brain.

Just become a cumbrian coomer theory

You guys seem to be missing the point, why is the "rewiring" a bad thing, that's you brain becoming adapted to the only source of sexual pleasure you will have, why is that adaptation a bad thing WHEN YOU WILL NEVER HAVE SEX?

You are all missing the point, the "default wiring" IS ONLY USEFUL TO SOMEONE WITH A SEX LIFE

Why is this a bad thing?

Why must the rules of the feed back loop with respect to sex be preserved but all others ignored

Think about food, we used to have to hunt, and an essential part of the reward part was the effort we had to put into hunting and gathering (helped keep us "in shape"), but now we just go to grocery stores or fast food places and get instant gratification, why don't you speak of that as a bad thing and stop doing it?

You think our neurochemistry isn't being fucked with by how easily we gain access to so many other various forms of instant gratification?

 

[Vorbei]

I still have at least some pride and self-respect. I might be an incel but at least I'm not a fucking coomer. I don't do nofap, but I am 100% noporn.

 

[ovrload]

You guys seem to be missing the point, why is the "rewiring" a bad thing, that's you brain becoming adapted to the only source of sexual pleasure you will have, why is that adaptation a bad thing WHEN YOU WILL NEVER HAVE SEX?

Fair enough, if we don’t get in any sexual relationship in our entire life time then sure I agree with your point on it’s worthless holding back on sexual pleasure, but jerking off all day will make me feel tired and fatigued without doing anything else productive in the day. It could be going out for a jog or riding a bike outside etc. the times I masturbate is when I have nothing else occupying my mind.

 

[Shinitai]

Seriously think about it

There are no side effects to masturbation, there are none, its all placebo "muh energy, confidence and virility" BS, and ironically you only need said confidence and virility if you plan on pursuing women, so nofap boosts traits you don't tend on utilizing JFL (what kind of retard logic is that, that's like a runner who does more upper body training than lower)

Taking the lack of tangible negatives into account here's a question, why not be "addicted" to porn?

If you think about it entertainment is an "addiction", its something we do and we crave but we DON'T NEED, we could be bored 24/7 and not die of it, yet we pay money to have access to it in a constant supply, more than we ever pay for porn + masturbation (which is just your internet and electricity bill)

Yet nobody is ever talking about "quitting entertainment", where's that "nofun" movement? JFL

"I've been watching too many movies, tv shows, youtube videos, etc and listening to too much music, podcasts, etc. My brain is "overstimulated" with entertainment and that makes day to day regular interactions and activities feel less than, so I need to cut back on entertainment. Also being entertained takes up free time and keeps me from being forced to pursue other things I could be doing rather than being entertained"

Nobody ever says this shit, but because sex and sexual pleasure is something taboo, we have these weird standards applied to it, where its like you treated as if you are "cheating the system" by gaining access to sexual pleasure and not "paying the toll", its really all about shame, it has nothing to do with any improvement magically caused by not ejaculating, ironically if you aren't going to be having sex, masturbation reduces your risk of testicular cancer, as its your only release and use of your testes (remember this thread is directed towards men who plan to or know they won't get laid ever again or at all)



Seriously, if you don't plan on becoming an escortcel and you don't see yourself ever ascending and you don't even trying anymore, why do nofap?

When I start escortcelling regularly and I can afford to do it, I plan on stopping porn completely.......... BECAUSE I'LL HAVE NO NEED FOR IT (the only videos I may still have will be of myself maybe JFL). I actually do plan on doing nofap at least 6 months before I begin to escortcel like this, so I can fully enjoy the experience, but if I never planned on doing anything like this, I'd just jerk off and not bother

I don't understand how this has become a normal train of thought for men, women probably masturbate like crazy, they can have multiple orgasms and keep going so its a longer more enjoyable experience for them, they don't have the same shame and stigma on their "sex toys" like we do and they can very easily satisfy themselves with one more so than we can with a fleshlight (a penis doesn't have vibration settings, and vibrational stimulation affects the clitoris a lot even without direct contact, the same doesn't really apply to a penis)

Do you see any female nofap movements, NO

Do you hear women talking about the magical side effects of masturbating too much, NO




Its all BS driven by shame, truth is, you don't want to stop masturbating because there's a benefit to it, you just want to stop because you feel ashamed for not getting sexual pleasure "the right way", "a man's way", so nofap is like some weird form of penance for a lot of you, punishing yourself for not being able to get a woman, because think about it, with no end goal/release in sight it is nothing but a punishment, because you aren't "training/improving" for any future event

YOU ARE REPRESSING YOURSELF SEXUALLY
FOR THE SAKE OF REPRESSING YOURSELF SEXUALLY

Please tell me how a "porn addiction" is a bad thing for a man who is never going to have sex, if he gets (PIED) "Porn Induced Erectile Dysfunction" and he can only get hard to porn, then how is that a problem for him WHEN HE'LL NEVER HAVE SEX, I'd call that a useful adaptation not a problem, your body is becoming accustomed to what you have access to

PIED is only a problem for married men who become "porn addicts", and those guys are fucking idiots, because you have a wife, you should be fucking her, that's your job, and her job is to fuck you



DOING NOFAP AS A "PERMA-INCEL"

IS LIKE A PERSON WHO WAKES UP IN A WHEELCHAIR NOT BEING ABLE TO WALK AND DECIDES TO DO LUNG CAPACITY TRAINING AND BREATH CONTROL, AS IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE RUNNING OR SWIMMING IN A RACE AT SOME POINT

Carpel tunnel but I’m a masterbation addict

 

[BummerDrummerOG]

I'm already there with you I jerk off atleast 5 times a day

 

[Uglyme]

I think the idea of that is that a lot of men spend too much time watching porn and masturbating and they could spend that time doing something else to improve other aspects in their life, like they could learn a new language, read, do exercise, etc. But not with the propose of getting laid just with the purpose of becoming a better person. Personally I think in the end everyone is free to do with their time as they want, if someone wants to fap all they long let them do so, I don't care.

 

[BummerDrummerOG]

The whole coomer thing just struck me as a new way of demonising male sexuality, and trying to give women full control over men again with the idea that you should only be allowed to get off if you have approval from a woman. Reminder that the whole thing was literally pushed by discord trannies.

All the "superpowers" are pure placebo bullshit that's never been substantiated.

VERY B A S E D honestly can't fucking stand that stupid meme

 

[BlkPillPres]

Fair enough, if we don’t get in any sexual relationship in our entire life time then sure I agree with your point on it’s worthless holding back on sexual pleasure, but jerking off all day will make me feel tired and fatigued without doing anything else productive in the day. It could be going out for a jog or riding a bike outside etc. the times I masturbate is when I have nothing else occupying my mind.

Porn addiction doesn't necessarily mean "jerking off all day", in fact for the average "porn addict", that isn't even possible, not everybody has that kind of stamina or a low enough refractory period, also most of us have jobs lol

Also I don't know about you, but I'm more productive when I'm not sexually frustrated, I find that I can actually focus on other things after masturbating because my mind isn't focused on sex

I actually masturbate for 4 purposes, sometimes they overlap
1. Pleasure
2. Reduce Stress
3. To focus on a task/project
4. To fall asleep (I have light insomnia, you don't really need sleep medication if you go lie down at night after masturbating, you naturally feel sleepy)

This is why I'm confused seeing all these same BS cliche arguments of "muh energy", "muh negative effects"

I've only ever had positive effects, maybe because I use the act itself in a more planned and deliberate way that other men, for me it isn't some thing I can't control, its a convenient urge that I make use of to make myself comfortable

I think the idea of that is that a lot of men spend too much time watching porn and masturbating and they could spend that time doing something else to improve other aspects in their life

Maybe I don't know about many extreme cases of porn addiction, but most men who masturbate aren't spending hours doing it, those are fringe cases that you guys seem to be propping up like its common, most men don't have that kind of stamina, and most men don't have low enough refractory periods after ejaculation to just enjoy masturbating all day, and also most men have to work, if you don't have money to pay your bills you can't have internet to watch porn JFL

So seems like you guys are talking about neets or teenagers, because most everyone else doesn't have the time

I'm already there with you I jerk off atleast 5 times a day

Why so many times?

It hurts for me after the 2nd time (well if I do them one after eachother - like 1 or 2 hours apart)

 

[BlackpilledTruecel]

Arent you the whitecel fucking whores in Thailand JFL

The key is moderation my fren, everything in large or excessively high amounts will rewire your brain.

No white men can be incel provided they're not sub3, 99% of white "incels" on here refuse to move from the west, its fucking pitiful.

 

[Deleted member 15737]

Jew maxxing is legit.

 

[based_meme]

@based_meme
Now that were getting down to specifics and not saying vague pointless things, you are going to see how easily your arguments fall apart JFL



Sorry but seeing stupidity everyday becomes annoying, how is one supposed to respond to constant illogical arguments and people giving NPC responses but going on and on about being self aware and "black pilled"?, feels like you are being trolled after some time, its like you guys don't read over your own arguments in your head before posting them, else you'd see the obvious flaws



I literally just spent some time googling and nothing of what you've said is listed, in fact all articles state the opposite

A bad hormone profile CAUSES ED, its not ED that CAUSES the bad hormone profile

So please link me to one of your sources, because what you are saying just at face value makes no logical sense, and I can't find anything stating it at all, they all state the cause and effect in opposite position (things that cause ED, but not what ED causes)

Really just think about what you're saying, ED means you can't maintain an erection right?, so you aren't going to be able to ejaculate during regular sex............. how is that different from NoFap?

It seems like a ridiculous argument to say that not ejaculating due to nofap causes no harm to your hormone profile AT ALL, but not ejaculating from a psychological block (Porn Induced ED) will affect your hormone profile

That doesn't make sense logically at all, but of course you don't actually think about what you are saying so why would you notice a flaw like that



Why is this a bad thing?

Why must the rules of the feed back loop with respect to sex be preserved but all others ignored

Think about food, we used to have to hunt, and an essential part of the reward part was the effort we had to put into hunting and gathering (helped keep us "in shape"), but now we just go to grocery stores or fast food places and get instant gratification, why don't you speak of that as a bad thing and stop doing it?

You think our neurochemistry isn't being fucked with by how easily we gain access to so many other various forms of instant gratification, why single out sexual pleasure, what about the pleasure we feel from music (have you ever experienced "frisson", I do when I listen to music and so do many others, look up the term)

What about all the satisfaction we get from entertainment

I refer back to my argument about entertainment:






Again another argument with an obvious logical flaw, that for some fucking reason you just can't see (and this is what frustrates me)

If you are going to make the argument that "your body requires X stimuli to have positive effects from sex" then I hope you realize the inherent irony of such a statement, because if those stimuli couldn't be substituted WE LITERALLY COULD NOT MASTURBATE

You would not be able to get erect at an image of breasts, you'd have to have actual breasts in front of you and touch them and know that its there, and only then would your body let you be erect to jerk off

So seeing as our bodies aren't that restrictive and aware, is it not possible to simulate whatever stimuli creates the oxytocin release anyways, in the same way that we simulate sexual interactions and make ourselves ejaculate?

Nah nah, lets not use our brains, lets pretend I didn't just point out the obvious (IF YOU CAN TRICK YOUR BODY INTO CUMMING AS IF YOU ARE HAVING SEX, YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY TRICK YOUR BODY INTO THINKING YOU ARE CUMMING WITH A PARTNER)



JFL you guys are a fucking meme - "muh energy levels" strikes again, I've have went around 2 weeks without jerking off and I have went a week where I masturbated 2 times everyday, I experienced no differences in energy levels, because I'm not an idiot who can be placeboed because I lack self awareness

Another thing, the whole "desensitize dompamine receptors" thing I put into question above (it relates to the "feedback loop")

I'm sure you've answered by now, but there's no reason for us to adhere to the loop, there's nothing inherently good or sacred about this specific loop around sex that needs to be adhered to, when as humans WE VIOLATE EVERY OTHER POSITIVE FEEDBACK LOOP AND DESENSITIZE OURSELVES TO OTHER PLEASURES

Also I'm not jerking off 5+ times a day like a retard and expecting not to feel tired, this isn't rocket science, I insult you guys because you are frustratingly stupid



So the possibility of prostate cancer is not an issue, but I should starve myself of sexual pleasure to avoid the placebo of "feeling tired"

Prostate CANCER vs Feeling Tired

Yeah you are making a lot of sense now, a lot of logical consistency in this argument

Fucking cancer is no issue, the probability is minuscule so take the risk, go out of your way to deny yourself pleasure because its chances are low, but most importantly to avoid the dreaded terrors of fatigue



You may not have prostate cancer yet but you very likely have brain cancer with the elementary arguments you gave, I'm not joking, you literally could have sat for 20 minutes and pulled apart your own arguments if you actually thought them through, so you either disingenouosly posted them anyways hoping I wouldn't see the flaws, or you are so dense you really can't see them

It won't matter even if I present the most logically airtight arguments and supplement them with tomes upon tomes of sources. Your mind is already made up and anybody who disagrees with you is stupid. It's basically ideological at this point.

I already knew how this would play out. I've said before that I'm not here to argue with you, since that's going to be fruitless and a waste of energy. Nowhere in the history of humanity, let alone the internet, has that proved to be a worthwhile effort. I'm only here as a friendly reminder to tell you that being a fucking coombrain is a net negative. All of that cooming is giving you brain fog, preventing you from seeing things more clearly. Case in point: I never said you shouldn't ever fap. Only that you shouldn't excessively indulge in it, and only do it if sexual frustration starts to negatively affect your daily life.

 

[The Abyss]

What are you, the flash or something?, what a waste of your power

I really don't see how, you don't wash your fucking hands before you masturbate?

Its seeming more and more like its really just you that's the problem, that you are an unclean retarded fuck, you have to be trolling right now, I'm not addressing anymore of these points

Haha you are so angry, you always seem to have a bitter attitude in your posts, I don't get it. For someone that's talking about having goals & making the most of everything, seeing the rope as pointless you sure do seem discontent.

 

[BodyFat10orRope]

Porn addiction made me want to kill myself so i think i'll pass.

 

[ironmanlet321]

It’s ok to beat off sometimes but watching violent/etc porn will warp your mind.

 

[Hate_my_life]

Eh, I'm not going to tell anyone what to do.

Religion is the main reason I'm not watching porn, if you have a problem with that; kindly go fist yourself

 

[IncelKing]

Eh, I'm not going to tell anyone what to do.

Religion is the main reason I'm not watching porn, if you have a problem with that; kindly go fist yourself

lmao at believing in a god who made you a subhuman to rot without sex and female companionship while chads are swimming in pussy and getting endlesss validation. It's so over for religion-copers.

Cool. You win. i'm the moron. Why am i even here.

lmao you retard, you just got intellectually raped. If i was you, i would keep my dignity and never return to the forum.

Before you make an argument, think introspectively and apply logic and reasoning to your argumentation, otherwise anyone can refute and dismantle your argument using the aforementioned tools.

 

[Hate_my_life]

lmao at believing in a god who made you a subhuman to rot without sex and female companionship while chads are swimming in pussy and getting endlesss validation. It's so over for religion-copers.

There it is.

The one thing you people fail to realise is that there's God and an opposing force (the devil). I'm not asking you to believe this, but your above statement is from the perspective in that there's only God and nothing opposing him when that is not the case.

It's why you'll say the same things such as:

"If God exists, why does he let kids have cancer?"

"If God exists, why has he let you be an incel?"

Complete disregard that majority of the world is in the clutches of the devil.
Every (99.9%) foid you see (I believe) is been controlled by a demon which is why they have stupidly high irrational standards.

The bible has highlighted throughout that God won't control us like robots and he let's humans do as they please (even their sinful desires) which is why the world is in the state it's in. (Romans 1:24, Psalms 81:12)

Kids having cancer is probably the works of the evil one to make people believe that there is no God.

Now you'll probably say:

"But does that mean God is weaker than the devil as surely if he was all powerful he could just destroy him?"

Again, God has a greater plan and in the devil knows he's already going to lose.
Revelations 20:1-3

It's like me asking some Incels on here; if you knew you were going to die a peaceful death at midnight, what would you do.
I can guarantee you, some would either take other people's life or go through ANY means to lose their virginity.
Desperation.
Similarly, the devil is desperate to take as many with him, as he knows he's going to fail.


I may just be coping, but when I have no friends. No foid will ever like me/treat me like a human. I'm seen as dirt everywhere I go, even the church I attend I'm seen as a nobody.
Where else can I turn?

I gain some peace, knowing that in the end; everyone who pursued earthly pleasures (which is why I gave up porn + fapping) and didn't pursue the free salvation through Christ will be judged.

 

[Rippa]

lmao at believing in a god who made you a subhuman to rot without sex and female companionship while chads are swimming in pussy and getting endlesss validation. It's so over for religion-copers.


lmao you retard, you just got intellectually raped. If i was you, i would keep my dignity and never return to the forum.

Before you make an argument, think introspectively and apply logic and reasoning to your argumentation, otherwise anyone can refute and dismantle your argument using the aforementioned tools.

Talkin about "dignity" and "not letting other people step all over you' then you do exactly that by admitting that you are a mentally deficient hypocrite in a argument

 

[BodyFat10orRope]

I prefer to never jerk off again I feel no joy out of it anymore. It doesn't make sense to keep doing something that's making me feel worse. I'm gonna try to keep a little bit of my dignity and so i refuse to become a complete degenerate again. I guess most people can do it and still feel good about themselves. Good for them. Porn is ruined for me though. Also, when i jerk off i'm more passive and docile Whilst if i don't jerk off, i actually got some balls to refuse to let people walk all over me and actually do what i want.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Haha you are so angry, you always seem to have a bitter attitude in your posts, I don't get it. For someone that's talking about having goals & making the most of everything, seeing the rope as pointless you sure do seem discontent.

Sorry but seeing stupidity everyday becomes annoying, how is one supposed to respond to constant illogical arguments and people giving NPC responses but going on and on about being self aware and "black pilled"?, feels like you are being trolled after some time, its like you guys don't read over your own arguments in your head before posting them, else you'd see the obvious flaws

I'm only here as a friendly reminder to tell you that being a fucking coombrain is a net negative. All of that cooming is giving you brain fog, preventing you from seeing things more clearly

Vague BS, give specific reasons of things AND WHY THEY ARE A PROBLEM else don't bother saying anything

Brain fog? - What is that, how long does it last (if brainfog lasts only an hour after masturbation why is it a too much of a negative to bear?)

I don't think you get my point, you guys are just pointlessly throwing out minor things that are inconsequential to anyone especially an incel as why you shouldn't masturbate to porn often, it doesn't make sense, and ironically you were basically saying "prostate cancer is no biggie, the risk is low anyways so I'll stick to not fapping and bear that risk"

That's whats so ridiculous, risking cancer to you is a better choice that risking brain fog that likely goes away in an hour or so, its completely illogical

Case in point: I never said you shouldn't ever fap

A lot of users on this site state masturbating to porn period as a porn addict, and when you think of the context of drug use, that definition makes sense, someone who occasionally does cocaine would still be seen as a cocaine addict JFL

Also you don't need orgasms to survive, its something you do because you enjoy the pleasure and you crave it, so it is an addiction, you would not die if you were sexually starved, so any masturbation at all is part of the addiction

So your point doesn't stand

Similarly, the devil is desperate to take as many with him, as he knows he's going to fail.

Speaking like this is exactly why religion sounds fake, because if the devil really wanted to spite God, he'd just not participate in a game he knows he's going to lose, why would he go along with the game of someone he hates and basically be their pawn, that doesn't make sense

Either the devil has a chance at winning or the entire story doesn't make sense, either way God is a sadistic fuck and doing all this for his entertainment, because there was no need for all of this, there didn't need to be a tree of temptation in the garden, God put it there on purpose to start all of this shit, so he's a sick fuck, he's ironically no worse than all these people you hope are going to be "judged"

I may just be coping

You are and you are a hypocrite, guys like you will be going on and on in threads about how NPC normies are and that they can't think for themselves and they hate harsh truths, etc, but you give yourself a pass to do the same damn thing

You are no different than them so you shouldn't complain about their actions

when I have no friends. No foid will ever like me/treat me like a human. I'm seen as dirt everywhere I go, even the church I attend I'm seen as a nobody.
Where else can I turn?

Why do you need to feel "cared about" by other people, you are born alone and you die alone, and that goes for everyone, "togetherness" is an illusion, when your mind drifts off into nothingness, whether you are holding your wife's hand or not, its just you alone fading away, you are always alone and you always will be even if you are dating, or having children, etc

You can only truly comprehend your own consciousness

I gain some peace, knowing that in the end; everyone who pursued earthly pleasures (which is why I gave up porn + fapping) and didn't pursue the free salvation through Christ will be judged.

This is some next level retardation, you know you are coping, yet you say you gain some peace, if you know its false then how does that work out, its like a guy saying - "I'm sure my wife cheated on me and my children aren't mines, but at least I can gain some peace by pretending like I don't know" JFL

You either know or you don't, if you know you are coping, then you have already admitted self awareness of the fact that what you believe is false

 

[The Abyss]

Vague BS, give specific reasons of things AND WHY THEY ARE A PROBLEM else don't bother saying anything

Brain fog? - What is that, how long does it last (if brainfog lasts only an hour after masturbation why is it a too much of a negative to bear?)

I don't think you get my point, you guys are just pointlessly throwing out minor things that are inconsequential to anyone especially an incel as why you shouldn't masturbate to porn often, it doesn't make sense, and ironically you were basically saying "prostate cancer is no biggie, the risk is low anyways so I'll stick to not fapping and bear that risk"

That's whats so ridiculous, risking cancer to you is a better choice that risking brain fog that likely goes away in an hour or so, its completely illogical



A lot of users on this site state masturbating to porn period as a porn addict, and when you think of the context of drug use, that definition makes sense, someone who occasionally does cocaine would still be seen as a cocaine addict JFL

Also you don't need orgasms to survive, its something you do because you enjoy the pleasure and you crave it, so it is an addiction, you would not die if you were sexually starved, so any masturbation at all is part of the addiction

So your point doesn't stand





Speaking like this is exactly why religion sounds fake, because if the devil really wanted to spite God, he'd just not participate in a game he knows he's going to lose, why would he go along with the game of someone he hates and basically be their pawn, that doesn't make sense

Either the devil has a chance at winning or the entire story doesn't make sense, either way God is a sadistic fuck and doing all this for his entertainment, because there was no need for all of this, there didn't need to be a tree of temptation in the garden, God put it there on purpose to start all of this shit, so he's a sick fuck, he's ironically no worse than all these people you hope are going to be "judged"



You are and you are a hypocrite, guys like you will be going on and on in threads about how NPC normies are and that they can't think for themselves and they hate harsh truths, etc, but you give yourself a pass to do the same damn thing

You are no different than them so you shouldn't complain about their actions



Why do you need to feel "cared about" by other people, you are born alone and you die alone, and that goes for everyone, "togetherness" is an illusion, when your mind drifts off into nothingness, whether you are holding your wife's hand or not, its just you alone fading away, you are always alone and you always will be even if you are dating, or having children, etc

You can only truly comprehend your own consciousness



This is some next level retardation, you know you are coping, yet you say you gain some peace, if you know its false then how does that work out, its like a guy saying - "I'm sure my wife cheated on me and my children aren't mines, but at least I can gain some peace by pretending like I don't know" JFL

You either know or you don't, if you know you are coping, then you have already admitted self awareness of the fact that what you believe is false

Can't speak for others but I'm not saying jacking it is bad but if you do it too much just like most things it ends up being bad for you, too much of a good thing can start yielding bad results.

That part you mention about not needing human affection or warmth whatever, how come ppl go mad in solitary confinement & psychologists or those in the field of the human brain & behaviour research state we're social animals.

You dislike the inadequate responses ppl are posting but would you prefer your topics to have zero replies if you had to choose?

 

[BlkPillPres]

Can't speak for others but I'm not saying jacking it is bad but if you do it too much just like most things it ends up being bad for you, too much of a good thing can start yielding bad results

What is "too much" though, a lot of incels are have stated jacking off period is bad, but they act as if they they took part in a 3hr long orgy the magic of bonding hormones like oxytocin would neutralize any negatives

That part you mention about not needing human affection or warmth whatever, how come ppl go mad in solitary confinement

You are forgetting about boredom, or minds always want to be stimulated, boredom is lack of that, staring at a blank wall for days and days is going to make you very bored, its really that simple, its not "no attention" that drives people mad, its lack of external stimuli, pop a tv and internet in that room but lock off all access to forums, social networks, etc, they can only use entertainment that is single person based, they'd be alright, like magic no more going crazy

& psychologists or those in the field of the human brain & behaviour research state we're social animals.

Were not social, animals, that's the most spread falsehood because nobody is honestly looking at the scenario, what humans desire is external stimuli, its what we've become accustomed too, because SOCIALIZING WAS THE ONLY MEANS TO ATTAIN THIS IN OUR HISTORY OF EVOLVING, that's why we like to socialize, but these days a lot of people don't go out much, because they can immerse themselves in all these various forms of entertainment and spends days never even speaking to a person, that was not possible in our history before

One had to talk and communicate with others to have their minds stimulated, to be entertained, and we evolved to seek out that kind of stimuli, and that created a dependency of socializing, BUT IT CAN BE SUBSTITUTED, and that's why the "were social animals" cliche is both true and untrue

WERE NOT REALLY SOCIAL, WE JUST EVOLVED TO BE SOCIAL TO BE ENTERTAINED

You dislike the inadequate responses ppl are posting but would you prefer your topics to have zero replies if you had to choose?

1. Agreeing doesn't equal no reply, some people are actually replying in agreeance

2. If I post a thread stating 1+1=2 and I had to choose between replies of people arguing against that or no replies, I choose no replies

 

[FunkyMonk]

I'd rather rub one out than wake up in the middle of the night half asleep to change underwear. As for porn I just watch JOI, fuck the rest.

 

[W33bcel]

The only downside to going full giga coomer is that I will most likely not be able to ascend with my 4/10 looksmatch even if I had the opportunity since I am simply no longer attracted to any sub 8 foids.

Frankly I'm losing attraction to meat whores in general and have already switched 95% of my cooming to 2d and cg waifus

 

[IamJacksBrokenHeart]

Jew maxxing is legit.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I'd rather rub one out than wake up in the middle of the night half asleep to change underwear. As for porn I just watch JOI, fuck the rest.

JOI?

 

[based_meme]

Vague BS, give specific reasons of things AND WHY THEY ARE A PROBLEM else don't bother saying anything

Brain fog? - What is that, how long does it last (if brainfog lasts only an hour after masturbation why is it a too much of a negative to bear?)

Brain fog here is not a medical or technical term. It's just an expression that means you're judgment is clouded and you're not thinking clearly.

I don't think you get my point, you guys are just pointlessly throwing out minor things that are inconsequential to anyone especially an incel as why you shouldn't masturbate to porn often, it doesn't make sense, and ironically you were basically saying "prostate cancer is no biggie, the risk is low anyways so I'll stick to not fapping and bear that risk"

That's whats so ridiculous, risking cancer to you is a better choice that risking brain fog that likely goes away in an hour or so, its completely illogical

You seem to conveniently ignore the part where I said the odds are negligibly low. That's what makes it a non-issue. The irony here in calling this illogical is that your attack of this point is illogical in the same way that people's fear of terrorism is illogical: they have an order of magnitude higher chance of dying in a car accident than in a terrorist attack, yet they fear terrorism irrationally far more than speeding drivers.

A lot of users on this site state masturbating to porn period as a porn addict, and when you think of the context of drug use, that definition makes sense, someone who occasionally does cocaine would still be seen as a cocaine addict JFL

Also you don't need orgasms to survive, its something you do because you enjoy the pleasure and you crave it, so it is an addiction, you would not die if you were sexually starved, so any masturbation at all is part of the addiction

So your point doesn't stand

You're reframing what I said about fapping.

Getting high doesn't fulfill a need, it fulfills a want. Sexual release is a physiological and psychological need, and those needs are directly linked to your survival. But you don't need porn for that. Porn is not something you need to watch, it's something you want to watch. When wants continue to the point where it starts to negatively affect other areas of life, it becomes an addiction, regardless of the context.

Look, brocel, do whatever the fuck you want to do. We're not here to judge you for your copes, but please don't pretend like your stance and views on the subject are some kind of immutable truth.

 

[FunkyMonk]

JOI?

Jerk off Instructions.

 

[FukFeminism]

Fapping kind of makes me feel sad, during and after, and I don't get a whole lot of pleasure out of it at this point tbh. I'm sick of seeing what I can't have. Not just porn, just seeing females out in public upsets me.

 

[The Abyss]

Jerk off Instructions.

I thought it stood for jerk off interactions

 

[BlkPillPres]

You seem to conveniently ignore the part where I said the odds are negligibly low. That's what makes it a non-issue

Oh, So you can't fucking read then

you were basically saying "prostate cancer is no biggie, the risk is low anyways so I'll stick to not fapping and bear that risk"

I was very sure to point that very thing out so you wouldn't say this very thing, and yet you still didn't fucking see it, its like you aren't even reading my arguments properly, I'm wasting my time

Getting high doesn't fulfill a need, it fulfills a want. Sexual release is a physiological and psychological need, and those needs are directly linked to your survival

Getting high is us hotwiring and hacking the reward system of the brain, that same reward system being activated by sexual pleasure doesn't make it a need, you don't need to reproduce, you WANT to reproduce, you need to breathe air to live, you need to drink water to live, you don't need to reproduce or have sex to live

You need it for psychological health, but not physical health, and PHYSICAL HEALTH IS WHAT SURVIVAL IS

You are making a disingenuous argument to stretch the definition

please don't pretend like your stance and views on the subject are some kind of immutable truth.

Oh I don't need to pretend when I'm arguing with someone like you

 

[based_meme]

I tried being cordial and civil with you, but you're just an insufferable cunt. There's no hope.

Oh, So you can't fucking read then

There's nothing worth reading, you fucking coombrain. All you're doing is putting up strawmen and arguing past me.

I was very sure to point that very thing out so you wouldn't say this very thing, and yet you still didn't fucking see it, its like you aren't even reading my arguments properly, I'm wasting my time

JFL... I'm the one who's wasting his time. I knew this right from the start. But it seems that I can't help getting dragged into a shit flinging contest with a low IQ mongoloid. (Maybe I unconsciously enjoy this, who knows.)

You're too closeminded to even entertain the notion that you might be wrong (the mark of a fucking moron, btw), which you so horribly are.

Getting high is us hotwiring and hacking the reward system of the brain, that same reward system being activated by sexual pleasure doesn't make it a need, you don't need to reproduce, you WANT to reproduce, you need to breathe air to live, you need to drink water to live, you don't need to reproduce or have sex to live

You need it for psychological health, but not physical health, and PHYSICAL HEALTH IS WHAT SURVIVAL IS

You are making a disingenuous argument to stretch the definition

Are you fucking autistic, or just fatally stupid?

Getting high doesn't hotwire anything. Sex is a need. Reproduction is literally your purpose. You need to do that, otherwise you're useless as far as nature is concerned.

JFL that I even have to spell that out.

I think I just got my answer, by the way.

Oh I don't need to pretend when I'm arguing with someone like you

Absolute fucking KEK. You're the very definition of a tool.

You can go fuck yourself (for the nth time today). You're good at that, at least.

 

[BlkPillPres]

You can go fuck yourself (for the nth time today)

I only fap once a day, but like I said, its still an addiction, it doesn't have to be the "nth time" to be an addiction, that depends on the drug, but really and truly if you engage in any act for pleasure and the act isn't necessary for survival, and you can't stop yourself from giving it up completely, you are addicted

You have good timing, I was just about to go fap and I saw the alert for this message

You're good at that, at least

Something we can agree on

 

[Deleted member 5712]

I watch porn for multiple hours per day so at this point I will say I'm probably addicted but at the same time I wouldn't ever encourage people to become addicted like I am. It just fucks with you because then you start to crave all the shit you will never have even more.

-Amateur videos: You want the gf/wife that will do all the dirty shit in the videos
-BBC/BWC: You think lower of yourself because you aren't 10 inches
-Asian: You will never satiate your Yellow Fever
-Latinas: You will never know what is South of the Border
-Ebony: You will never make those big cheeks clap
-Hentai: Not real
-MILF: You are blackpilled and know all MILFs are whores. That's the reason they are a MILF in the first place and have issues
-Teen: One step away from roping knowing you missed out on prime teenage wet pussy and will never have the chance to ever talk to a teen girl again if you are past 20
-Orgy: You'll never have a twosome let alone a threesome or beyond
-Fetishes: All of your fetishes are gross and perverted and women would want you to kill yourself just for liking and talking about your attractions. Fetishes are only for Chad to participate in and have an interest in

Literally just pick anything from any category and you will never, ever, EVER do that in your lifetime. God have forced you to be celibate your whole entire life and the only decent cope just makes you want to kill yourself even more when you see what others guys get all the time AND FOR FREE!

 

[BlkPillPres]

Literally just pick anything from any category and you will never, ever, EVER do that in your lifetime. God have forced you to be celibate your whole entire life and the only decent cope just makes you want to kill yourself even more when you see what others guys get all the time AND FOR FREE!

1. First Off

[Hard To Swallow Edition] There Is No Such Thing As Free Sex (Stop Perpetuating The "Free Sex" Lie As An Excuse To Not Escortcel)

This is related to a past thread (in fact parts of it are used in this thread): https://incels.is/threads/every-interaction-is-a-transaction-of-resources.125273/ I am fed up of seeing incels saying they won't pay for sex because - "I don't want to pay for something I SHOULD be getting for free"...

incels.is

2. There's hentai, watch monsters fuck bitches, nobody is experiencing that just like you

3. If you are still obsessing over the fact that other men are enjoy X and you aren't, then you haven't accepted your inceldom yet, and deep down you still have hopes of ascending, if your hopes were completely destroyed, you wouldn't even be thinking of that shit while masturbating

The thread is about whats left for me who are not planning to ascend or escortcel, porn is all that's left for them, and when they have finally accepted they aren't going to pursue sex, it wouldn't make sense that they are still obsessing over what they will never get, WHILE CHOOSING NOT TO PURSUE ALTERNATIVES (you could pay for it, if you refuse to pay for it then stop complaining about not getting it lol)

 

[Reddit_is_for_cucks]

Seriously think about it

There are no side effects to masturbation, there are none, its all placebo "muh energy, confidence and virility" BS, and ironically you only need said confidence and virility if you plan on pursuing women, so nofap boosts traits you don't tend on utilizing JFL (what kind of retard logic is that, that's like a runner who does more upper body training than lower)

Taking the lack of tangible negatives into account here's a question, why not be "addicted" to porn?

If you think about it entertainment is an "addiction", its something we do and we crave but we DON'T NEED, we could be bored 24/7 and not die of it, yet we pay money to have access to it in a constant supply, more than we ever pay for porn + masturbation (which is just your internet and electricity bill)

Yet nobody is ever talking about "quitting entertainment", where's that "nofun" movement? JFL

"I've been watching too many movies, tv shows, youtube videos, etc and listening to too much music, podcasts, etc. My brain is "overstimulated" with entertainment and that makes day to day regular interactions and activities feel less than, so I need to cut back on entertainment. Also being entertained takes up free time and keeps me from being forced to pursue other things I could be doing rather than being entertained"

Nobody ever says this shit, but because sex and sexual pleasure is something taboo, we have these weird standards applied to it, where its like you treated as if you are "cheating the system" by gaining access to sexual pleasure and not "paying the toll", its really all about shame, it has nothing to do with any improvement magically caused by not ejaculating, ironically if you aren't going to be having sex, masturbation reduces your risk of testicular cancer, as its your only release and use of your testes (remember this thread is directed towards men who plan to or know they won't get laid ever again or at all)



Seriously, if you don't plan on becoming an escortcel and you don't see yourself ever ascending and you don't even trying anymore, why do nofap?

When I start escortcelling regularly and I can afford to do it, I plan on stopping porn completely.......... BECAUSE I'LL HAVE NO NEED FOR IT (the only videos I may still have will be of myself maybe JFL). I actually do plan on doing nofap at least 6 months before I begin to escortcel like this, so I can fully enjoy the experience, but if I never planned on doing anything like this, I'd just jerk off and not bother

I don't understand how this has become a normal train of thought for men, women probably masturbate like crazy, they can have multiple orgasms and keep going so its a longer more enjoyable experience for them, they don't have the same shame and stigma on their "sex toys" like we do and they can very easily satisfy themselves with one more so than we can with a fleshlight (a penis doesn't have vibration settings, and vibrational stimulation affects the clitoris a lot even without direct contact, the same doesn't really apply to a penis)

Do you see any female nofap movements, NO

Do you hear women talking about the magical side effects of masturbating too much, NO




Its all BS driven by shame, truth is, you don't want to stop masturbating because there's a benefit to it, you just want to stop because you feel ashamed for not getting sexual pleasure "the right way", "a man's way", so nofap is like some weird form of penance for a lot of you, punishing yourself for not being able to get a woman, because think about it, with no end goal/release in sight it is nothing but a punishment, because you aren't "training/improving" for any future event

YOU ARE REPRESSING YOURSELF SEXUALLY
FOR THE SAKE OF REPRESSING YOURSELF SEXUALLY

Please tell me how a "porn addiction" is a bad thing for a man who is never going to have sex, if he gets (PIED) "Porn Induced Erectile Dysfunction" and he can only get hard to porn, then how is that a problem for him WHEN HE'LL NEVER HAVE SEX, I'd call that a useful adaptation not a problem, your body is becoming accustomed to what you have access to

PIED is only a problem for married men who become "porn addicts", and those guys are fucking idiots, because you have a wife, you should be fucking her, that's your job, and her job is to fuck you



DOING NOFAP AS A "PERMA-INCEL"

IS LIKE A PERSON WHO WAKES UP IN A WHEELCHAIR NOT BEING ABLE TO WALK AND DECIDES TO DO LUNG CAPACITY TRAINING AND BREATH CONTROL, AS IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE RUNNING OR SWIMMING IN A RACE AT SOME POINT

i feel tired after masterbsting and it’s hard waking up next day and I feel lazy next day. Watching porn for hours is waste.

itwill take away from your potential

 

[BlkPillPres]

i feel tired after masterbsting and it’s hard waking up next day and I feel lazy next day. Watching porn for hours is waste.

You think the tiredness might have something to do with you sleeping late and masturbating for hours, ever think you could just masturbate for 1 hour max and sleep a little earlier and poof like magic there wouldn't be a problem

What you are saying is ridiculous, its like a guy who eats gallons of ice-cream everyday and gets fat, and because of that says he'll avoid eating ice-cream period, he's the one misusing the substance, its not the fault of ice-cream that he isn't structuring his pleasure intake and doing it in moderation

Don't blame masturbation, blame yourself for misusing it

itwill take away from your potential

Be specific, what potential?

Most of the guys on this site aren't going to do anything with their lives anyways, just come on here everyday, post memes and say its better to LDAR, so what potential are they ruining?

 

[Reddit_is_for_cucks]

You think the tiredness might have something to do with you sleeping late and masturbating for hours, ever think you could just masturbate for 1 hour max and sleep a little earlier and poof like magic there wouldn't be a problem

What you are saying is ridiculous, its like a guy who eats gallons of ice-cream everyday and gets fat, and because of that says he'll avoid eating ice-cream period, he's the one misusing the substance, its not the fault of ice-cream that he isn't structuring his pleasure intake and doing it in moderation

Don't blame masturbation, blame yourself for misusing it



Be specific, what potential?

Most of the guys on this site aren't going to do anything with their lives anyways, just come on here everyday, post memes and say its better to LDAR, so what potential are they ruining?

no I am ok with masterbstimg once a week that’s ideal maybe 2 max. But multiple times a day is meh.

Well if you actually want to succced masterbating daily will work against you. I am ok with once a week. That’s what I did in highschool and I rewarded myself with jerking off after I did good in a test so it was motivation boost.

releasing dopamine all day long while you sit/sleep and don’t do anything productive a recipe for disaster.

 

[BlkPillPres]

releasing dopamine all day long while you sit/sleep and don’t do anything productive a recipe for disaster.

Yeah and releasing dopamine from eating, playing video games, watching tv, anime, movies, etc and you aren't doing anything productive is a recipe for disaster too, so you must be against LDAR just as much as masturbating too much

 

[SlayerSlayer]

I can understand not wanting to support whores by not watching porn, but I think dedicating a life solely to masturbatory purposes is a MUST cope if you are incel. At least watch hentai, or read erotica. But for godsakes, FAP.

NOFAP is for retarded masochists, who believe in concepts like getting a mansion in heaven or some shit.

 

[Iwanttolive]

PIED isn't the main problem for incels with PMO addiction. The problem is the overbearing urge to coom every hour and look at porn at every moment.

Why is this a problem? It's not at all for NEETcels, but if I have a day job, porn addiction is going to fuck with my mind, taking breaks to go to the washroom to watch porn and fap off, wanting to knock off early to go home to watch, all these are vague examples but you get what I mean.

Why will I want to care about my job? Because I'm not rich and live from hand to mouth, I can't just slot into another job easily. And I do not want to rope yet.

What I'm saying is porn addiction will make my miserable life even worse and I don't want that.

 

[Deleted member 20434]

Yes there is. I will jerk off til I die

 

[Vision]

What are you, the flash or something?, what a waste of your power

I really don't see how, you don't wash your fucking hands before you masturbate?

Its seeming more and more like its really just you that's the problem, that you are an unclean retarded fuck, you have to be trolling right now, I'm not addressing anymore of these points

 

[VirginAutistManlet]

High IQ

 

[Iwanttolive]

I watch porn for multiple hours per day so at this point I will say I'm probably addicted but at the same time I wouldn't ever encourage people to become addicted like I am. It just fucks with you because then you start to crave all the shit you will never have even more.

-Amateur videos: You want the gf/wife that will do all the dirty shit in the videos
-BBC/BWC: You think lower of yourself because you aren't 10 inches
-Asian: You will never satiate your Yellow Fever
-Latinas: You will never know what is South of the Border
-Ebony: You will never make those big cheeks clap
-Hentai: Not real
-MILF: You are blackpilled and know all MILFs are whores. That's the reason they are a MILF in the first place and have issues
-Teen: One step away from roping knowing you missed out on prime teenage wet pussy and will never have the chance to ever talk to a teen girl again if you are past 20
-Orgy: You'll never have a twosome let alone a threesome or beyond
-Fetishes: All of your fetishes are gross and perverted and women would want you to kill yourself just for liking and talking about your attractions. Fetishes are only for Chad to participate in and have an interest in

Literally just pick anything from any category and you will never, ever, EVER do that in your lifetime. God have forced you to be celibate your whole entire life and the only decent cope just makes you want to kill yourself even more when you see what others guys get all the time AND FOR FREE!

this really hits home the feels. One of the biggest cope is the source of the most potent suifuel.

 

[BlkPillPres]

The whole coomer thing just struck me as a new way of demonising male sexuality

That is quite literally all that the "nofap" and "coomer" nonsense is about

Its about shaming male sexuality, and shaming men for not getting an orgasm "the manly way"

It only works on egoists

Will I stop masturbating at some point, yes, when I start escortcelling and I can afford to do so regularly

Until then I'm going to fap away lol

 

[Uglymuggly]

Only read the title but tbh I agree

The whole coomer thing just struck me as a new way of demonising male sexuality, and trying to give women full control over men again with the idea that you should only be allowed to get off if you have approval from a woman. Reminder that the whole thing was literally pushed by discord trannies.

All the "superpowers" are pure placebo bullshit that's never been substantiated.