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Hypocrisy If pedophilia (the attraction part) is wrong, then you could also say that homosexuality (the attraction part) is wrong, or are choices.

Show me the data on this? For me personally, 18-20 year olds look way more sexually dimorphic and mature than 15 year olds.
why don't you show the data on you bodyfat % you low iq fuck
 
True, but puberty is much more sure to have been completed by age 17 than 15. You can't definitively say that once a woman reaches 15/16 that her full sexual maturity and dimorphism has been reached.

Body fat is one parameter. Bone structure (pelvic width) is more important. Do your own research. I will not spoon feed you with everything.

This study claims that you have to wait till 17 to ensure that bulk of the sexual maturity from puberty has been completed.

View: https://www.instagram.com/p/BroPnyDgg8-/


"muh sexually immature"
 
Pedophilia is no different from homosexuality.
Both are not useful for reproduction and that's why they have been seen as taboos throughout history
 
Pedophilia is no different from homosexuality.
Both are not useful for reproduction and that's why they have been seen as taboos throughout history
you are appealing to social rules

explain how either are morally wrong from an objective standpoint
 
She's one month shy of 19 LOL!

At the time that picture was taken, she was 17. And they used fakeup to make her look more sexually dimorphic LOL! And also LOL @Personalityinkwell for cherrypicking that one picture! LOL @ his negative IQ.
are you retarded?

she is actually over 17 in that pic, do reaserach idiot
Why me? I just think it's weird as fuck
"weird as fuck"

what's "weird" about it?
 
Obviously you can't change the way you your attraction works, but that doesn't mean society has to accept your attraction given that your attraction could harm other people.
Teen whores don't get harmed by adult dick, that's a moral fag myth.
 
READ THE FUCKING SENTENCE AGAIN! I ACKNOWLEDGED THAT SHE'S 17. CAN'T YOU EVEN READ?
so why is it wrong?

i could find tons of 17 yos on instagram that look sexually mature you stupid shitskin
 
Read my other comments in this thread. They get harmed by pregnancy.
They can get pregnant by teen chads too. An adult would be way more responsible than a teen with his hormones raging having sex with them.
 
As per my conversation with @Edmund_Kemper, I am ok with 17 year olds having sex and getting pregnant. I'm not ok with them being younger than that.

I already explained this to you before. Such attraction, if allowed to go unchecked, precedes mating and pregnancy. Why do I have to repeat the same point so many times with you? You are truly a negative IQ turd. Jesus Christ!
you could make the same argument against incel forums

"such hatred could go unchecked"

why not ban all incel forums because "muh unchecked"

"unchecked" = buzzword you stupid idiot

you are truly negative iq

you are not respecting freedom of thought
 
I think the attraction isn't a choice. But in all animal societies some behavior is shunned whereas others are encouraged. In human society homosexuality is seen as okay because of the consent argument. I think that it is okay to shun some behavior (pedo) also because of the consent argument.

This is discriminatory to pedos of course but before kid sex robots are a thing this all that can be done
 
I think the attraction isn't a choice. But in all animal societies some behavior is shunned whereas others are encouraged. In human society homosexuality is seen as okay because of the consent argument. I think that it is okay to shun some behavior (pedo) also because of the consent argument.

This is discriminatory to pedos of course but before kid sex robots are a thing this all that can be done
so you agree with me?
 
I think the attraction isn't a choice. But in all animal societies some behavior is shunned whereas others are encouraged. In human society homosexuality is seen as okay because of the consent argument. I think that it is okay to shun some behavior (pedo) also because of the consent argument.

This is discriminatory to pedos of course but before kid sex robots are a thing this all that can be done
"Pedos" aren't the same as men who fuck pubescent teens. The "AoC" nonsense is just normie moral fagging to suppress non-chad sexuality, the AoC argument goes out the window for normie cucks when a 25 year old foid fucks a 14 year old high school athlete.
 
Normies are DISGUSTED if you even have thoughts about the grey areas of the AoC. The fucking hypocrisy. You are a total loser if you don't have teen sex, yet if you have teen sex if you are not a teen, you are a PEDOPHILE, the worst scum imaginable, even if you are a 19 year old fucking a 17 year old. They just want morality in a box.
 
yet if you have teen sex if you are not a teen, you are a PEDOPHILE, the worst scum imaginable, even if you are a 19 year old fucking a 17 year old.
Cucks only think that if the 19 year old is a non-chad, then all the sudden he's a "creep" who "manipulates" poor little girls.
 
Cucks only think that if the 19 year old is a non-chad, then all the sudden he's a "creep" who "manipulates" poor little girls.
This is 100% true.
 
I'm absolutely ok with freedom of thought, but I'm not ok with freedom of action. Attraction is not something anyone can change because its physiological in nature and physiology is immutable, but social implications need to be taken into account should that attraction become publicly normalized. And the social and familial implications are less than desirable in my opinion. The kind of normal (non-pedo) attraction which incels typically towards women is different.

I do think incels should be able to get sex from escorts, but since many of the incel genes are physically subhuman and since many incels aren't high earners (because of low IQ and lack of motivation) they shouldn't be allowed to perpetuate their subhuman genetics onto the next generation because times are getting harder and performance demand is growing. In these tough and demanding times, incel tier genetics wouldn't allow men to be competitive or successful, leading to their suffering and stagnation. Of course just like incel men, low tier women shouldn't be allowed to procreate either through hypergamy. Both low tier men and women should be euthanized or at least sterilized.
hold up

you think attractionn is controllable?

how so?

if i go to the mall, i see so many TEENAGE SLUT with their bare asshecheeks hanging arong their booty shorts, so how do we conteract that?

because when i see them BLOOD RUSHES TO MY DICK INVOLUNTARILY, I CAN'T HELP THAT BLOOD RUSHES TO MY COCK, it's not a choice
 
"Pedos" aren't the same as men who fuck pubescent teens. The "AoC" nonsense is just normie moral fagging to suppress non-chad sexuality, the AoC argument goes out the window for normie cucks when a 25 year old foid fucks a 14 year old high school athlete.

What do you mean they aren't the same?
Yeah I really hate it when there's that double standard. She's a danger to society lock her up until she's better.
 
What do you mean they aren't the same?
Yeah I really hate it when there's that double standard. She's a danger to society lock her up until she's better.
Most of cucked soyciety doesn't agree with you on that.
 
Just to reiterate again: I never claimed that attraction is controllable. In fact, I acknowledged the opposite. Here's what I wrote:
ok, then explain how being attracted is wrong then. that's what this whole topic was about
 
Are you seriously not reading what I've been posting here or are you deliberately making me rephrase or copy paste my previous comments in order to give me a hard time? :feelsree: :feelsree: :feelsree: :feelsree:

LISTEN UP: THIS IS THE LAST TIME I WILL EXPLAIN THIS. READ VERY CAREFULLY:

Sexual attractions to children who are sexually undeveloped or partially developed (pedophilia) is wrong because their underdeveloped body risks not being physically able to sustain the pressures of pregnancy. If you attempt to impregnate a woman too young just because she started ovulating, you're ignoring not just the health of the mother, but also your future child(ren). A doctor explains the physical risks in the following excerpt:
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Source: https://www.livescience.com/19584-10-year-birth.html

Hence for a man to procreate successfully, its necessary to acquire a female who has reached a minimum age of sexual maturity. Now, many normies say that 20 is the earliest age a woman can safely start attempting to get pregnant, but I think it could be as early as 17 or 18. Such an optimal setting for mating is what I consider valid. 17 years is ok for me. This citation below explains how the female body definitely completes puberty by age 17:

D. C. Phillips (2014). Encyclopedia of Educational Theory and Philosophy. Sage Publications. pp. 18–19. ISBN 978-1-4833-6475-9. On average, the onset of puberty is about 18 months earlier for girls (usually starting around the age of 10 or 11 and lasting until they are 15 to 17) than for boys (who usually begin puberty at about the age of 11 to 12 and complete it by the age of 16 to 17, on average).

Similarly, homosexuality or bestiality are wrong because there is physiological incompatibility with the mate (a member of the same sex or a member of another species). These types of sex acts risk causing diseases.

Incel's sexual attraction to sexually developed females isn't as wrong on the level as pedophilia, homosexuality or bestiality, but incel men's attraction is undesirable nonetheless because those who are really incel (and not borderline incel like normies due to excessive hypergamy) risk perpetuating their subhuman genes which prevent their offspring from not being able to compete in society. Incels should be provided with escorts or euthanasia if they wish.
still incorrect, because it is only attraction, not an act, i never endorsed the act of pedophilia.
 
I've addressed this as well. You have not been reading my comments. My stance on this is not incorrect becacuse attraction precedes action which is why certain attractions should never be legitimized or tolerated.
you cannot choose to be attracted though.

define "legitimized"
 
That's my stance and i don't care with you think.
fine,

but it's still not wrong to feel attraction from an objective point of view if no action is taken, and that is just a fact
 
If no action is taken, then its fine because we can't control our attraction. But this is a slippery slope. Once you publicly start treating these deviant sexual attractions as normal, you risk increasing incidents of these sex acts taking place.
it most certainly isn't "normal", but it does happen
 
yes it does happen because nature isn't perfect, it makes mistakes. This is the same thing as autism or cerebral palsy. Shouldn't be tolerated though.
what are your thoughts on hebephilia (11 to 14) and ephebophilia (15 to 19)
 
Any attraction which risks premature pregnancy below the age of 17 is not valid. I mentioned this earlier:
i see

so hebephilia is bad to you

although some finish puberty 15-16, but i guess 17 is the "safe" number
 
True, but puberty is much more sure to have been completed by age 17 than 15. You can't definitively say that once a woman reaches 15/16 that her full sexual maturity and dimorphism has been reached.

Body fat is one parameter. Bone structure (pelvic width) is more important. Do your own research. I will not spoon feed you with everything.

This study claims that you have to wait till 17 to ensure that bulk of the sexual maturity from puberty has been completed.
no you idiot. it says that you finish puberty at 15-17. some finish it at 15, some at 16 and some 17. there are many 15/16 year old girls who are post-pubescent. have you even been to high school? also, stop arguing that makeup makes someone look older. Person A who looks older than person B will still look older than person B with makeup due to looking older than person B without makeup

if a 17 year old girl looks younger than 21 year old girls (which they don't), then when they both put on makeup, they'll still look younger than the 21 year old. they both put on makeup so if they put equal amount of makeup how will the 17 year old look just as old by relying on makeup?

go google 12th grade yearboks. also the pelvis is sufficnetly developed in the late teens which your source says. and most pregnant teens who have adequate prenatal care and avoid smoking give birth to healthy babies. black foids are more likely to suffer complications? why? cuz they lack prenatal care too, not cuz of their race. if you're finished with puberty, you're sexually mature full stop.

puberty lasts about 5 years and the most common age for girls to start puberty 11

11+5=16
 
are there seriously people who think the attraction is wrong?


Yes. They see 14yo sluts as juxtapose to 5yo girls that play with my little pony and have colouring books and comics.


"A 15yo girl can't consent you idiot".

6 months later on her 16th birthday she magically has the maturity to consent.

These clowns think girls go through massive cognitive changes in a few months.
 
Yes I understood this correctly. Its true that some finish it at 15, some at 16 and some 17, but for the entire teenage female population, 17 is the age most of them are definitely likely to have finished, which is why I set the threshold for virginity at that age. Now, you could go for someone who looks sexually mature enough at 16, but you can't guarantee that her development is complete. There's a chance that she could still develop a little more, and personally I'd prefer that she's developed fully without the shadow of a doubt, which is why I prefer 18-20, but 17 should be the threshold age in my opinion.

I have an engineering degree. What do you have you maggot?

Fakeup is meant to sexualize young women by reddening their lips, and making the eyes and cheekbones more attractive. Sorry you're not blackpilled enough to realize this.

On average, you're right about the age thresholds being 11 years, and puberty period being 5 years. However, for some puberty starts a bit later and perhaps lasts a bit longer. Taking all the deviations in data into account, its safe to set the threshold at 17.
dude many 15/16 year olds look 21 or even 25. if they look that way, they're 99 percent of time post-pubescent. also if puberty lasts USUALLY 5 years, and girls usually begin it at 11, then it usually ends at 16. full stop.

also fake up does that to 25 year olds and 20 years olds too, not just teens. the girls who finish at 17 usually began at 12. some girls even finish at 14 if they began puberty at 9. most evidence shows that the most common age is 16 for girls, not 17.

also, go look at any 12th grade yearbook and the girls will look usually 21 or even 25
 
Where's the statistics which proves this? What are the quantifiable parameters? Are you sure that your preference for jailbaits isn't clouding your judgment here? A fair number of 15/16 do NOT look 21 or older. I have consistently observed that 20 year olds look noticeably more sexualy mature and dimorphic than 15 or 16 year olds.


I have already clarified this. I hate repeating myself. Read my past comment again:



Fair enough but to be absolutely sure, I prefer giving myself the room of one year just to be sure.

At 12th grade, girls are 17/18 years of age, so I see no issues here.
i googled 11th grade yearbook and found this http://www.cromwellalumni.com/2009/2009in08.htm

also, many 15/16 year old girls DO look 21+.

also, again, if trhey look physically mature, they're prolly post-pubescent
 
Pedophile threads allowed yet I got warning for saying I cross dressed when I was 12
 
What are their ages? We need the ages of the girls in the yearbook photos.

This is an opinion. Even if they do look mature enough, there's no guarantees that their maturation is complete.

Once again, this doesn't mean that their maturation is complete. Give it a wiggle room of one year and you'll be safe that their bodies are ready for procreation.
again, if they look physically mature, there is a 90% chance they're post-pubescent. i mean this is blatantly obvious. you can tell if someone is pubescent or post-pubescent based on their appearance. just look at how they look and if it fits the signs of finishing puberty, they're prolly post-pubescent. so pregnancy will prolly be ok

they're 11th grade. i'm sure they're 16
 
I hope this doesn't come off as sarcastic but this is a very good thread you've made that raises a valid point.

There's currently 66 Bluepillers in this thread, may one of you please explain/answer the following below.

As the OP has stated:


Since people love to attack "pedos" (which most of the time aren't even pedos, they are ephebophiles or hebephiles), for their feelings of attraction, it makes no difference than attacking gays for their feelings of attraction. Even if they don't act on those impulses. After all, you cannot choose what you are attracted to, unless of course you think otherwise

In the 1800s-1900s, if you were caught performing Homosexual acts you would face Capital Punishment/Conversion therapy or various other consequences right?
As a result, any man/woman that was Gay/Lesbian kept that behind closed doors or only entertained the thoughts in their heads.

Now may I only ask: Do you realise you're doing the EXACT same thing to Paedophiles?

I KNOW RIGHT NOW YOU'RE PROBABLY SHAKING AND SPERGING OUT SCREAMING "A BABY CAN'T CONSENT" and I AGREE. A child that can not speak can't consent. A child that has no understanding on anything sexual can not consent.

My question is, Why is it that a 17 year old can't consent (In the USA) but the moment they turn 18, their consent is now valid?

In that 1 year. What has fundamentally changed? There's no substantial mental development between 17 and 18; if that was the case, the Global age of consent would be 18.

I believe the age of consent is merely an arbitrary number when a foid has comfortably entered puberty and is knowledgeable about what they're getting into.

It doesn't make sense to me. If a 17 year old foid feels attracted to a 19 year old guy and the guy was to do anything, HE'S A PAEDOPHILE according to American law, but if she waits 12 months it's all good now? Nothing much changes....
 
None of them are 17 or 15? How are you sure? Without knowing the age, this conversation is moot.

I found some underdeveloped girls from this 11th grade yearbook:
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Here are the relatively more developed girls from the same yearbook:
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I'd say the ratio is close to 50-50, or 1:1, so its better to wait till senior year, or 12th grade.

BTW, in the 11th grade yearbook you posted, I saw more developed girls than underdeveloped ones, but since the teenage female population doesn't fully mature till senior year, I think its better to wait till then. And also, I'm in favor of curbing sexual impulses in general for males and females. Part of the problem with incels as well as the rest of this cucked society is that we are too eager to jump onto sexual pleasure. I'll all for slightly delayed sexual gratification (without missing developmental milestone of course). I think its lust and craving for sexual pleasure from an early age hurts incels and society at large. For incels, it makes them feel like they are deprived of innocent and pure teenage love. It hurts society because it risks premature pregnancies, the risks of which I've already described to you.
JFL all the girls look at least 21, looking 21 instead of 25 is still post-pubescent. many look 23 or 24
 
Exactly there's nothing wrong with feeling something, just because it's taboo. Actions can be considered right or wrong, but there's no objective right or wrong since morality is highly relative based on cultural values and social norms, as such the whole concept is meaningless.
 
No man. You're clearly biased. Anyways, I don't care. This discussion is pointless. I'm done. I will never endorse sexualization of women from an early age. NEVER! Nor will I support faggotry or bestiality. If you want to be a deviant, do it, but society will stand against you like it rightfully should. Goodbye.
your argument is pure crap. you use terms like "legitimize" about a feeling of attraction, not an action.

whatever
 
No man. You're clearly biased. Anyways, I don't care. This discussion is pointless. I'm done. I will never endorse sexualization of women from an early age. NEVER! Nor will I support faggotry or bestiality. If you want to be a deviant, do it, but society will stand against you like it rightfully should. Goodbye.
you're dumb. you're the one who is biased. youre a moralfag cuck. but at least you admit 17 year olds are normal to be attracted to

they do look grown up. you know it. i've seen 21 year olds who look younger than that. and the foids from my hs haven't aged and they're all 22 now

your argument is pure crap. you use terms like "legitimize" about a feeling of attraction, not an action.

whatever
i hate moralfags
 
Of course you're going to hate my argument given how I'm against your urges but I've at least explained my stance thoroughly. You can call be a moralfag and I'd accept that characterization as accurate.

The ones I've categorized as underdeveloped don't look grown up to me. I feel no attraction towards them, but I do feel attracted towards the more developed women.

"muh moralfag!" I don't care what you have to say. I've explained myself and I have nothing more to add. If your emotions can't accept my argument, that's not my problem.
i'm sure if those "undeveloped" women were 20. you'd be attracted to them. i've seen college girls look like that. they aren't underdeveloped and ARE finished with puberty
 
No I wouldn't be attracted because they look too childlike to me, regardless of their sexual development. I'm not attracted to high neoteny, which is why most noodlewhores don't appeal to me.
This is the type of face I'm attracted to:

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i'm sure you are attracted to them, if they claimed to be 21, you'd admit to thinking they're hot. i'm sure your favorite age group is late teens/early 20s like most men

but at least you admit that you're sexually attracted to the 11th grade girls you labeled as developed
 
My preferred age is late teens to early 20s because I'm more likely to find women with sharper and stronger facial bone development as well as hip bone development. If such bone morphology is not found in some cases of 20 year olds and they appeared relatively neotenous, I would not find them attractive.
men are attracted to neoteny (aka looking extremely young and teenage-ish). studies have shown this to be true.
 
I'm attracted to a mix of forward facial growth and neoteny. Neoteny is necessary for youthfulness but an excess amount of it makes the woman look underdeveloped to me. I guess I have a bit of a lower threshold requirement of neoteny than most people.
look up 12th grade yearbooks
 

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