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I was thinking dialectically about inceldom before I ever knew Hegel/Fichte/Marx (the eschatology of the Beta Revolution)

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(tldr at the end)
Here is my thought experiment from like two years ago. Imagine a platonic world of forms where the perfect essence of every "thing" exists.

In this world there is a perfect woman that exemplifies the essence of womanhood. Now what does this platonic woman wants from the platonic man?

1. Good genes
2. Security

Her ideal world would be one where she is in a monogamous relationship with THE Chad (i.e. the perfect man in the most essential sense). Where she can have his children and have him all to herself so he will take care of the children. While the rest of the rejected male betas serve them and their children for maximum security and prosperity for her offspring.

Now imagine the platonic man in this world. His primary goal is to spread his genes as much as possible. So his ideal society looks like a harem where he is the only man having any access to women. And the rest of beta male society serves him and his offsprings.

Our story starts when you put these ideal platonic men and women together to form an actual society.

>Initially all the women will flock to whatever best chad they can find. This would lead to the formation of a sexual class society with a few alphas at the top who hoard all the sex and the betas at the bottom, who in the women's ideal should take care of someone else's children.

>The problem though is that the betas too have sexual aspirations same as the alphas. And this situation would lead to conflict.

>Now this conflict can't resolve as a free for all death match where the last surviving male gets all the girls because the society needs it's men and only one won't do.

>So the only other way this can go is the men, recognising that they can't fight off everyone else but they all still have the need for woman, will form teams and enter the conflict. The alpha Chad's may try to preserve their position of privelage but them and their women supporters will be overwhelmed by the betas, who themselves are necessary for the society to function. This is the beta revolution.

>A consequence of this would be the men, who were once divided in their hopes to be the last alpha, but now united under a banner, would distribute the defeated women among themselves. And knowing that male-female ratio is usually close to 50-50, this new society would become monogamous as the most economical solution. Further since it was the women's sexuality that lead to this conflict in the first place, it would be outright banned and women would end up with whoever the system wants them to end up with.

So, there you have it. We have just derived monogamy as an institution from the basic premise of male/female sexuality.

Btw , none of this is happening irl. It's a battle that is being fought in our heads all at once. Maybe these conflicts do appear, sometime overtly sometimes covertly, in the real world. And in the end we get the same irl result, monogamy in a civil society.

Tldr: In the platonic world of forms , Female sexuality leads to sexual class society of alphas and betas. Which collapses into conflict and beta revolution as a result of male sexuality. And that ends up in the beta society with monogamy and removal of female choice.
 
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Now tell me this isn't dialectical thinking. I was making these connections before I ever heard that word. I believe it's because the terms sexual "market" value and beta revolution are already so Marx coded. This demonstrates just how much Hegelian thought has become part of our collective subconscious.
 
trvke, what philosophers did you like?
Not one tbh. They all have their own myopic views and it reeks of their life and times. No eternal truths to be found.
 
It's not any woman's ideal to have betas take care of her children; this happens when Chad doesn't commit. I think it's more accurate to say that, according to the woman, the betas' role is to serve as material proof for herself (and perhaps other women) of her parecerse superiority.
 
>So the only other way this can go is the men, recognising that they can't fight off everyone else but they all still have the need for woman, will form teams and enter the conflict. The alpha Chad's may try to preserve their position of privelage but them and their women supporters will be overwhelmed by the betas, who themselves are necessary for the society to function. This is the beta revolution.
Nietzsche talks about this. Chad has nothing to do against the mob, because a Chad is rare, that's what makes him Chad.
But I would argue that the mob needs a leader, a strong man that serves as an example of bravery and decission. Doesn't this sound kinda Chadish?
 
It's not any woman's ideal to have betas take care of her children; this happens when Chad doesn't commit. I think it's more accurate to say that, according to the woman, the betas' role is to serve as material proof for herself (and perhaps other women) of her parecerse superiority.
I am talking about this on a societal level of course. A single Chad and a woman cannot survive in nature by themselves. There will have to be a community. And ideally it would be best for a woman if the community bend over backwards to serve her and her chad offspring. That is a pure ideal for a woman. The society irl does not serve a single woman obviously. But this is the ideal women pursue, alpha fucks betabux. The dialectic kicks off when this ideal clashes with the fact that the betas she rejected want sex and offsprings too.

Chad has nothing to do against the mob, because a Chad is rare, that's what makes him Chad.
Yeah but that rarity and the scarcity is creates is what leads to the betas revolting in the first place. It wouldn't need to happen if everyone was chad.

But I would argue that the mob needs a leader, a strong man that serves as an example of bravery and decission. Doesn't this sound kinda Chadish?
Maybe maybe not. It wouldn't even matter if the guy leading the mob is an actual Chad because the forces that lead to the revolt would exist without the leader. It's the masses that matter not Great Men.
 
I am talking about this on a societal level of course. A single Chad and a woman cannot survive in nature by themselves. There will have to be a community. And ideally it would be best for a woman if the community bend over backwards to serve her and her chad offspring. That is a pure ideal for a woman. The society irl does not serve a single woman obviously. But this is the ideal women pursue, alpha fucks betabux. The dialectic kicks off when this ideal clashes with the fact that the betas she rejected want sex and offsprings too.
Funny how it sounds like a monarchy

Maybe maybe not. It wouldn't even matter if the guy leading the mob is an actual Chad because the forces that lead to the revolt would exist without the leader. It's the masses that matter not Great Men.
It depends on what we call a "Chad". But the mob needed a Spartacus, a Lenin, don't you agree?
 
It depends on what we call a "Chad". But the mob needed a Spartacus, a Lenin, don't you agree?
Depends on how they organise. There could be some form of leadership to give direction of course
 
Depends on how they organise. There could be some form of leadership to give direction of course
Right. And now that I think about It, the leader doesnt really need to be a Chad, if by Chad we mean attractive man.
 
(tldr at the end)
Here is my thought experiment from like two years ago. Imagine a platonic world of forms where the perfect essence of every "thing" exists.

In this world there is a perfect woman that exemplifies the essence of womanhood. Now what does this platonic woman wants from the platonic man?

1. Good genes
2. Security

Her ideal world would be one where she is in a monogamous relationship with THE Chad (i.e. the perfect man in the most essential sense). Where she can have his children and have him all to herself so he will take care of the children. While the rest of the rejected male betas serve them and their children for maximum security and prosperity for her offspring.

Now imagine the platonic man in this world. His primary goal is to spread his genes as much as possible. So his ideal society looks like a harem where he is the only man having any access to women. And the rest of beta male society serves him and his offsprings.

Our story starts when you put these ideal platonic men and women together to form an actual society.

>Initially all the women will flock to whatever best chad they can find. This would lead to the formation of a sexual class society with a few alphas at the top who hoard all the sex and the betas at the bottom, who in the women's ideal should take care of someone else's children.

>The problem though is that the betas too have sexual aspirations same as the alphas. And this situation would lead to conflict.

>Now this conflict can't resolve as a free for all death match where the last surviving male gets all the girls because the society needs it's men and only one won't do.

>So the only other way this can go is the men, recognising that they can't fight off everyone else but they all still have the need for woman, will form teams and enter the conflict. The alpha Chad's may try to preserve their position of privelage but them and their women supporters will be overwhelmed by the betas, who themselves are necessary for the society to function. This is the beta revolution.

>A consequence of this would be the men, who were once divided in their hopes to be the last alpha, but now united under a banner, would distribute the defeated women among themselves. And knowing that male-female ratio is usually close to 50-50, this new society would become monogamous as the most economical solution. Further since it was the women's sexuality that lead to this conflict in the first place, it would be outright banned and women would end up with whoever the system wants them to end up with.

So, there you have it. We have just derived monogamy as an institution from the basic premise of male/female sexuality.

Btw , none of this is happening irl. It's a battle that is being fought in our heads all at once. Maybe these conflicts do appear, sometime overtly sometimes covertly, in the real world. And in the end we get the same irl result, monogamy in a civil society.

Tldr: In the platonic world of forms , Female sexuality leads to sexual class society of alphas and betas. Which collapses into conflict and beta revolution as a result of male sexuality. And that ends up in the beta society with monogamy and removal of female choice.
Engels beardmoggs
 
(tldr at the end)
Here is my thought experiment from like two years ago. Imagine a platonic world of forms where the perfect essence of every "thing" exists.

In this world there is a perfect woman that exemplifies the essence of womanhood. Now what does this platonic woman wants from the platonic man?

1. Good genes
2. Security

Her ideal world would be one where she is in a monogamous relationship with THE Chad (i.e. the perfect man in the most essential sense). Where she can have his children and have him all to herself so he will take care of the children. While the rest of the rejected male betas serve them and their children for maximum security and prosperity for her offspring.

Now imagine the platonic man in this world. His primary goal is to spread his genes as much as possible. So his ideal society looks like a harem where he is the only man having any access to women. And the rest of beta male society serves him and his offsprings.

Our story starts when you put these ideal platonic men and women together to form an actual society.

>Initially all the women will flock to whatever best chad they can find. This would lead to the formation of a sexual class society with a few alphas at the top who hoard all the sex and the betas at the bottom, who in the women's ideal should take care of someone else's children.

>The problem though is that the betas too have sexual aspirations same as the alphas. And this situation would lead to conflict.

>Now this conflict can't resolve as a free for all death match where the last surviving male gets all the girls because the society needs it's men and only one won't do.

>So the only other way this can go is the men, recognising that they can't fight off everyone else but they all still have the need for woman, will form teams and enter the conflict. The alpha Chad's may try to preserve their position of privelage but them and their women supporters will be overwhelmed by the betas, who themselves are necessary for the society to function. This is the beta revolution.

>A consequence of this would be the men, who were once divided in their hopes to be the last alpha, but now united under a banner, would distribute the defeated women among themselves. And knowing that male-female ratio is usually close to 50-50, this new society would become monogamous as the most economical solution. Further since it was the women's sexuality that lead to this conflict in the first place, it would be outright banned and women would end up with whoever the system wants them to end up with.

So, there you have it. We have just derived monogamy as an institution from the basic premise of male/female sexuality.

Btw , none of this is happening irl. It's a battle that is being fought in our heads all at once. Maybe these conflicts do appear, sometime overtly sometimes covertly, in the real world. And in the end we get the same irl result, monogamy in a civil society.

Tldr: In the platonic world of forms , Female sexuality leads to sexual class society of alphas and betas. Which collapses into conflict and beta revolution as a result of male sexuality. And that ends up in the beta society with monogamy and removal of female choice.
Not completely true beacause if women could choose only chads and be with them then betas would just rape if there was any opportunity so if there was sexual class and harems incels would fuck more then rn. There wouldnt be any illusion of ''u will find the one'', so there is completely no hope for subchads in that case, so betas would lack any morals and become completely feral.
 
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if women could choose only chads and be with them then betas would just rape
That is a part of the dialectic. The women would ideally expect the betas to just accept their lot in life. But the fact that betas too operate on logic of male sexuality mentioned above will compel them to act out. And yes, rape is a possible part of it.

Infact, modern feminists would argue that all sex in a traditional household where women had little choice in their husband is rape
 
That is a part of the dialectic. The women would ideally expect the betas to just accept their lot in life. But the fact that betas too operate on logic of male sexuality mentioned above will compel them to act out. And yes, rape is a possible part of it.

Infact, modern feminists would argue that all sex in a traditional household where women had little choice in their husband is rape
Yeah in natural habitat there is no ''accepting the faith'' or ''obeying the law'', only rn in our case scenario incels are just LDARing for the most part, they cannot just start a revolution and rape foids bc we dont have official chad-only harems and sexual class yet that would push them to make a change, on the other side they cannot attract a women for obvious reasons. So basiclly the most sexless generation.
 
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Yeah but that rarity and the scarcity is creates is what leads to the betas revolting in the first place.
Yes
It wouldn't need to happen if everyone was chad.
No, conflict would still happen, because there would still be more men than women.

Look up the sex ratio at birth
 
You're a coolie?
 
Thesis, antithesis, synthesis

Patriarchy > Feminism > Masculinism

Or

Feminism > Masculinism > Balance between genders?

Masculinist revolution is going to happen some day
 

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