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Brutal I regret I didnt sui at 19

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When I was 19, I was depressed as fuck. I kinda knew that my life would be shitty. I studied physics, barely passed 2 semesters because I didn't give a fuck about it. I picked it because it looked interesting, but then found out there are literally no jobs for people like that unless you are exceptional and can work at a university in a lab and I was not, I was at the bottom of the barrel. I wanted to be loved and to start a family in a few years, but I knew no woman wanted me ever (I didn't know about blackpill or redpill back then; I learned about it 8-9 years later).

Fast forward 13 years later. I have 2 degrees, worked for 4 years as an office clerk, and now I'm unemployed and have been for 3 years already. I can't find any job, not even minimum wage. They don't want to hire me for simple physical work because, with my education, they are afraid I will leave. And they don't want me at office jobs either, because, well, I have a 3-year gap, plus I'm ugly and fat. Like, no wonder they prefer a woman 10 years younger just after graduation.

When I look back at those 13 years, nothing normal happened in my life: no stable work, no stable partner, no one loves me. But instead, I had probably like 100 loud arguments with my mother. Yes, she made mistakes in a lot of things, like she didn't care I was getting fat since I was 7-8 y.o., didn't care I had crooked teeth (in Poland braces are free for kids under 16, but she didn't care anyway), she didn't care I looked like a fucking slob wearing clothes after my older brother, etc. But she loved me; at least she tried to care for me as best as she could.

Unlike my fucked-up father who left and didn't pay alimony, so we were living with mom in poverty. When mom sued him, my father left his job and lived with his mother so there was nothing to repossess as alimony. Like, how fucked-up you have to be to hate your kids and not pay alimony? And how fucked up of a grandmother do you have to be to you let your son live with you and feed him so he doesn't pay alimony for his kids? Fucked-up pretty much, I guess.

And no, don't say, "Your mother picked Chad and she pays for it." No, my father was ugly as fuck, even uglier than me. My mother picked him because, well, she wasn't that pretty either, but she wanted to have a family and all that. Not many men were asking her out or anything. Actually, there was just one guy who asked her out, but she knew he was an alcoholic and shit, so she didn't even go on a date. And then my father happened - he was ugly, working a normal job, no car, no apartment of his own, nothing special at all. Then they married and my father started to act out. I don't blame her. I know you can't predict how other people will behave in a given situation unless they are in that situation - you can only guess, and sometimes you are right, sometimes you are not.

Funny thing: before the marriage, a lady in my father's neighborhood told my mom she shouldn't marry him, because their family was weird and my father didn't look like a nice person - but yeah, why would you listen to a stranger? That would be weird, so she married him anyway.

My mother married as a virgin. They didn't have kids for like 7 years - and my father was making arguments and blaming her for not having a kid. They didn't go to a doctor... well, you know, Eastern European communist times - it wasn't a reason to go to a doctor; you just accepted it. But then my mother finally got pregnant and gave birth to my brother, then to me... and guess what? My fucked-up father, who blamed my mother for years for not having a kid, now said he didn't give a fuck about kids and he won't do a shit. Pretty fucked in the head, wasn't he?

So my mother took total care of us, but my father didn't give any money to my mother. It was acceptable when they didn't have kids and they both worked and had their own salary, but now my mother couldn't work for the next 2-3 years, and he didn't give a fuck, no money for us. Neither was he paying bills nor rent. He finally packed up and left when I was about 6-7 months old. My mother's parents helped her, and then she went to work when I was about 2,5 years old. She found a minimum wage job and worked her whole life there. She tried to care for us and everything, but... it was just too much for one person to bear. Too much trouble, too much attention, too much work. There were many things she didn't care for, like my teeth and my weight and my overall looks. But at least she loved me how she could.

And now, in the last 13 years, I've had so many loud arguments about what she fucked up in my life. Im a fucking 32 years old man. I'm an adult and it's my responsibility to make things happen I know all of that. I'm still living with my mother, so all the things I have "parents" to blame for, I only blamed on my mother - because, well, my father was not there, so only she had to listen when I was reminding her how many things in my childhood were fucked up. And most of these fights were in the last 5-7 years, when I saw how people my age proceeded with normal life and I saw how Im behind in one or other dimensions that started years, years ago when I was kid or teenager. Many loud arguments, fights, shouts, all with my mother. I gave her so much pain and attacked her in so many ways, it's just beyond comprehension.

I think in last 5 years we shouted and had arguemtns about everything there was to have an argument about (what she did wrong, and what I did wrong), so for last year or so we hadnt any. I know I need to take resposibility for my life, Im adult and all that, it just feel so paralyzing to take action because Im so many years behind its not like I will ever catch up.

For last few days Im thinking too much abour all this and sudennly I reminded myself that I wanted to commit suicide when I was 19. I even bought 2 packs of pills, but instead of taking all of them, I was lying in bed and took one, after a few minutes a second, after 5 minutes a third, and I ended up swallowing only 4 before I just fell asleep. When I woke up, I had no courage to take them anymore. Imagine - if I could only manage to swallow them back then, when I was 19, I would have saved my mother so much trouble, figts, arguments, and pain. I mean, she would grieve for a few months, but overall her life would be better. I really regret I didn't do it then. And now, as a 32-year-old, I'm not even suicidal.

I rememberr I wanted to have family when I was younger, but I undestand I probably shouldnt have it like ever. Its not like Im in any danger for that so... <chuckles>
At the end I need to admit that my life was nothing but pathology after pathology after pathology, so as hurtfull as it sounds women were right to never be in a relationship with me. I like to think that I would be more responsible with my life if I actually had a child when I was 20 or something but to be honest, its not something I or anyone can be sure of - maybe I would have been or maybe I would be just a little better than my father, I will never know.

And lastly doctors found some polyps in my gallbladder few months ago, and these polyps are pretty big, but I'm fat so surgery carries risks, for now I just need to check them every few months to make sure they dont grow, but if they do theres like 15-20% chance it will be cancer. Maybe my life won't last much longer and all things will be smooth in the end. Plus I heard my father died few months ago, so world is certainly a bit better place now.
 
Women make bad decisions, children suffer their whole lives

Women should not be allowed to reproduce without their fathers permission

And if they don't have a father, they can't reproduce. It's dangerous for a woman who hasn't had a father figure to do so
 
Yes. I regret not killing myself at 16. Now I’m 20 with no friends, no love, no family, no future. Nothing.
 
Women make bad decisions, children suffer their whole lives

Women should not be allowed to reproduce without their fathers permission
I'm not going to lie, in the past I was laughing and blaming single mothers for theirs choices, but man... You just can't predict how person will bahave in a given situation unless you actually land in that situation. Of course there are indicators and you can take a GUESS basing on this indicators, but
1. It's still guessing only. Maybe you can be sure for 90% or 50%, but never 100%.
2. When we look at this indicators like - stable job, stable emotionality, potential for career, having long term friends - well it kinda makes sense that me and 100% of this forum fail those so it's actually logical for women to reject us, and thats even before our looks will be taken into consideration.

Of course we could be best people in the world and we would be still rejected because we are physically ugly, but our personalities are ugly too. It looks like Greeks 3000 years ago really had a point saying that ugly appearance means ugly character - the way ugly people are treated in society really makes them fucked up in the head.
 
Now I’m 20 with no friends, no love, no family, no future. Nothing.
You are still so young. Are you not going to university? You could get meanigful degree and maybe your life would be just a little more bearable in few years?
 
Brutal mate, i almost did at 16 but decided not to
 
I don’t regret roping early because at least now I know things don’t get better at all, therefore you don’t have “what if” guilt.
 
I don’t regret roping early because at least now I know things don’t get better at all, therefore you don’t have “what if” guilt.
 
When I was 19, I was depressed as fuck. I kinda knew that my life would be shitty. I studied physics, barely passed 2 semesters because I didn't give a fuck about it. I picked it because it looked interesting, but then found out there are literally no jobs for people like that unless you are exceptional and can work at a university in a lab and I was not, I was at the bottom of the barrel. I wanted to be loved and to start a family in a few years, but I knew no woman wanted me ever (I didn't know about blackpill or redpill back then; I learned about it 8-9 years later).

Fast forward 13 years later. I have 2 degrees, worked for 4 years as an office clerk, and now I'm unemployed and have been for 3 years already. I can't find any job, not even minimum wage. They don't want to hire me for simple physical work because, with my education, they are afraid I will leave. And they don't want me at office jobs either, because, well, I have a 3-year gap, plus I'm ugly and fat. Like, no wonder they prefer a woman 10 years younger just after graduation.

When I look back at those 13 years, nothing normal happened in my life: no stable work, no stable partner, no one loves me. But instead, I had probably like 100 loud arguments with my mother. Yes, she made mistakes in a lot of things, like she didn't care I was getting fat since I was 7-8 y.o., didn't care I had crooked teeth (in Poland braces are free for kids under 16, but she didn't care anyway), she didn't care I looked like a fucking slob wearing clothes after my older brother, etc. But she loved me; at least she tried to care for me as best as she could.

Unlike my fucked-up father who left and didn't pay alimony, so we were living with mom in poverty. When mom sued him, my father left his job and lived with his mother so there was nothing to repossess as alimony. Like, how fucked-up you have to be to hate your kids and not pay alimony? And how fucked up of a grandmother do you have to be to you let your son live with you and feed him so he doesn't pay alimony for his kids? Fucked-up pretty much, I guess.

And no, don't say, "Your mother picked Chad and she pays for it." No, my father was ugly as fuck, even uglier than me. My mother picked him because, well, she wasn't that pretty either, but she wanted to have a family and all that. Not many men were asking her out or anything. Actually, there was just one guy who asked her out, but she knew he was an alcoholic and shit, so she didn't even go on a date. And then my father happened - he was ugly, working a normal job, no car, no apartment of his own, nothing special at all. Then they married and my father started to act out. I don't blame her. I know you can't predict how other people will behave in a given situation unless they are in that situation - you can only guess, and sometimes you are right, sometimes you are not.

Funny thing: before the marriage, a lady in my father's neighborhood told my mom she shouldn't marry him, because their family was weird and my father didn't look like a nice person - but yeah, why would you listen to a stranger? That would be weird, so she married him anyway.

My mother married as a virgin. They didn't have kids for like 7 years - and my father was making arguments and blaming her for not having a kid. They didn't go to a doctor... well, you know, Eastern European communist times - it wasn't a reason to go to a doctor; you just accepted it. But then my mother finally got pregnant and gave birth to my brother, then to me... and guess what? My fucked-up father, who blamed my mother for years for not having a kid, now said he didn't give a fuck about kids and he won't do a shit. Pretty fucked in the head, wasn't he?

So my mother took total care of us, but my father didn't give any money to my mother. It was acceptable when they didn't have kids and they both worked and had their own salary, but now my mother couldn't work for the next 2-3 years, and he didn't give a fuck, no money for us. Neither was he paying bills nor rent. He finally packed up and left when I was about 6-7 months old. My mother's parents helped her, and then she went to work when I was about 2,5 years old. She found a minimum wage job and worked her whole life there. She tried to care for us and everything, but... it was just too much for one person to bear. Too much trouble, too much attention, too much work. There were many things she didn't care for, like my teeth and my weight and my overall looks. But at least she loved me how she could.

And now, in the last 13 years, I've had so many loud arguments about what she fucked up in my life. Im a fucking 32 years old man. I'm an adult and it's my responsibility to make things happen I know all of that. I'm still living with my mother, so all the things I have "parents" to blame for, I only blamed on my mother - because, well, my father was not there, so only she had to listen when I was reminding her how many things in my childhood were fucked up. And most of these fights were in the last 5-7 years, when I saw how people my age proceeded with normal life and I saw how Im behind in one or other dimensions that started years, years ago when I was kid or teenager. Many loud arguments, fights, shouts, all with my mother. I gave her so much pain and attacked her in so many ways, it's just beyond comprehension.

I think in last 5 years we shouted and had arguemtns about everything there was to have an argument about (what she did wrong, and what I did wrong), so for last year or so we hadnt any. I know I need to take resposibility for my life, Im adult and all that, it just feel so paralyzing to take action because Im so many years behind its not like I will ever catch up.

For last few days Im thinking too much abour all this and sudennly I reminded myself that I wanted to commit suicide when I was 19. I even bought 2 packs of pills, but instead of taking all of them, I was lying in bed and took one, after a few minutes a second, after 5 minutes a third, and I ended up swallowing only 4 before I just fell asleep. When I woke up, I had no courage to take them anymore. Imagine - if I could only manage to swallow them back then, when I was 19, I would have saved my mother so much trouble, figts, arguments, and pain. I mean, she would grieve for a few months, but overall her life would be better. I really regret I didn't do it then. And now, as a 32-year-old, I'm not even suicidal.

I rememberr I wanted to have family when I was younger, but I undestand I probably shouldnt have it like ever. Its not like Im in any danger for that so... <chuckles>
At the end I need to admit that my life was nothing but pathology after pathology after pathology, so as hurtfull as it sounds women were right to never be in a relationship with me. I like to think that I would be more responsible with my life if I actually had a child when I was 20 or something but to be honest, its not something I or anyone can be sure of - maybe I would have been or maybe I would be just a little better than my father, I will never know.

And lastly doctors found some polyps in my gallbladder few months ago, and these polyps are pretty big, but I'm fat so surgery carries risks, for now I just need to check them every few months to make sure they dont grow, but if they do theres like 15-20% chance it will be cancer. Maybe my life won't last much longer and all things will be smooth in the end. Plus I heard my father died few months ago, so world is certainly a bit better place now.
this makes me sad to read
 
I really regret I didn't do it then. And now, as a 32-year-old, I'm not even suicidal.
How did your sui tendencies disappear, did it just went away by itself? Cause I feel once my sui tendencies are gone, I'll become completely passive in the face of mistreatment... Thinking about sui can give me courage out of desperation
 
I don’t regret roping early because at least now I know things don’t get better at all, therefore you don’t have “what if” guilt.
Good point ngl.

How did your sui tendencies disappear, did it just went away by itself?
I had thinking process
1. Can I sui?
2. Yes? Then I should <Nike logo here>
3 No because reasons - then I will continue to live (my reason is: Im a fucking coward and I know I wont pull it.)
4. If I will continue to live I shall at least try to not make my life more shitty.

After that thinking process I stopped having suicidal thoughts.
I feel once my sui tendencies are gone, I'll become completely passive in the face of mistreatment... Thinking about sui can give me courage out of desperation
Every person works diffrently, but I would bet its exactly opposite. If you are suicidal nothing really matters because you think you will put it to an end soon. And if you are not suicidal you accept the fact that you may exist for next 50 years so you know you need to defend yourself more.
But thats just my wishy-washy. You may work differently.
 
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After that thinking process I stopped having suicidal thoughts.

Every person works diffrently, but I would bet its exactly opposite. If you are suicidal nothing really matters because you think you will put it to an end soon. And if you are not suicidal you accept the fact that you may exist for next 50 years so you know you need to defend yourself more.
But thats just my wishy-washy. You may work differently.
So your sui tendencies went away after you have thought it through rationally. This is kinda amazing, from what I read many people are unable to do that.
My sui tendencies are different from this. Initially sui thoughts arose out of self-hate, but currently I seldom feel that self-hate and currently I think sui is like a duty of mine. Cause I feel like I have no business in this world, that even if I work I feel like a "spare part", so a logical decision would be to remove my own existence much like discarding an unneeded object. This is an intuitive feeling, without explicit self-hate involved.
Still I can't sui whenever I want to, the inertia of life is too strong. I need a trigger event ("the chance") to push me beyond the threshold. I believe I should maintain a façade before the chance comes. So self-care is not affected.
As for how thinking about sui can give me courage: After High School I used to be extremely afraid of social interaction and afraid of people. But later I figured out, "fuck it, I'm gonna go through the pain of sui, so if I get shamed in public or beaten up it's nothing". A bit of desperation worked for allowing me to interact with people again. It's really weird. I even yelled back at a rude guy who yelled at me on a bus. It's a pathological courage, but I wouldn't be able to otherwise.
 
So your sui tendencies went away after you have thought it through rationally. This is kinda amazing, from what I read many people are unable to do that.
My sui tendencies are different from this. Initially sui thoughts arose out of self-hate, but currently I seldom feel that self-hate and currently I think sui is like a duty of mine. Cause I feel like I have no business in this world, that even if I work I feel like a "spare part", so a logical decision would be to remove my own existence much like discarding an unneeded object. This is an intuitive feeling, without explicit self-hate involved.
Still I can't sui whenever I want to, the inertia of life is too strong. I need a trigger event ("the chance") to push me beyond the threshold. I believe I should maintain a façade before the chance comes. So self-care is not affected.
As for how thinking about sui can give me courage: After High School I used to be extremely afraid of social interaction and afraid of people. But later I figured out, "fuck it, I'm gonna go through the pain of sui, so if I get shamed in public or beaten up it's nothing". A bit of desperation worked for allowing me to interact with people again. It's really weird. I even yelled back at a rude guy who yelled at me on a bus. It's a pathological courage, but I wouldn't be able to otherwise.
Pretty interesting. It's like our experiences are in exact opposite positions.
IIts like your thought process starts with non-existence and my thought process starts with existence.
Your point is - life just happens so let's go to defaults. My point is - we are already inside so better not go to defaults as long as we can because it will happen anyway.
 
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When I was 19, I was depressed as fuck. I kinda knew that my life would be shitty. I studied physics, barely passed 2 semesters because I didn't give a fuck about it. I picked it because it looked interesting, but then found out there are literally no jobs for people like that unless you are exceptional and can work at a university in a lab and I was not, I was at the bottom of the barrel. I wanted to be loved and to start a family in a few years, but I knew no woman wanted me ever (I didn't know about blackpill or redpill back then; I learned about it 8-9 years later).

Fast forward 13 years later. I have 2 degrees, worked for 4 years as an office clerk, and now I'm unemployed and have been for 3 years already. I can't find any job, not even minimum wage. They don't want to hire me for simple physical work because, with my education, they are afraid I will leave. And they don't want me at office jobs either, because, well, I have a 3-year gap, plus I'm ugly and fat. Like, no wonder they prefer a woman 10 years younger just after graduation.

When I look back at those 13 years, nothing normal happened in my life: no stable work, no stable partner, no one loves me. But instead, I had probably like 100 loud arguments with my mother. Yes, she made mistakes in a lot of things, like she didn't care I was getting fat since I was 7-8 y.o., didn't care I had crooked teeth (in Poland braces are free for kids under 16, but she didn't care anyway), she didn't care I looked like a fucking slob wearing clothes after my older brother, etc. But she loved me; at least she tried to care for me as best as she could.

Unlike my fucked-up father who left and didn't pay alimony, so we were living with mom in poverty. When mom sued him, my father left his job and lived with his mother so there was nothing to repossess as alimony. Like, how fucked-up you have to be to hate your kids and not pay alimony? And how fucked up of a grandmother do you have to be to you let your son live with you and feed him so he doesn't pay alimony for his kids? Fucked-up pretty much, I guess.

And no, don't say, "Your mother picked Chad and she pays for it." No, my father was ugly as fuck, even uglier than me. My mother picked him because, well, she wasn't that pretty either, but she wanted to have a family and all that. Not many men were asking her out or anything. Actually, there was just one guy who asked her out, but she knew he was an alcoholic and shit, so she didn't even go on a date. And then my father happened - he was ugly, working a normal job, no car, no apartment of his own, nothing special at all. Then they married and my father started to act out. I don't blame her. I know you can't predict how other people will behave in a given situation unless they are in that situation - you can only guess, and sometimes you are right, sometimes you are not.

Funny thing: before the marriage, a lady in my father's neighborhood told my mom she shouldn't marry him, because their family was weird and my father didn't look like a nice person - but yeah, why would you listen to a stranger? That would be weird, so she married him anyway.

My mother married as a virgin. They didn't have kids for like 7 years - and my father was making arguments and blaming her for not having a kid. They didn't go to a doctor... well, you know, Eastern European communist times - it wasn't a reason to go to a doctor; you just accepted it. But then my mother finally got pregnant and gave birth to my brother, then to me... and guess what? My fucked-up father, who blamed my mother for years for not having a kid, now said he didn't give a fuck about kids and he won't do a shit. Pretty fucked in the head, wasn't he?

So my mother took total care of us, but my father didn't give any money to my mother. It was acceptable when they didn't have kids and they both worked and had their own salary, but now my mother couldn't work for the next 2-3 years, and he didn't give a fuck, no money for us. Neither was he paying bills nor rent. He finally packed up and left when I was about 6-7 months old. My mother's parents helped her, and then she went to work when I was about 2,5 years old. She found a minimum wage job and worked her whole life there. She tried to care for us and everything, but... it was just too much for one person to bear. Too much trouble, too much attention, too much work. There were many things she didn't care for, like my teeth and my weight and my overall looks. But at least she loved me how she could.

And now, in the last 13 years, I've had so many loud arguments about what she fucked up in my life. Im a fucking 32 years old man. I'm an adult and it's my responsibility to make things happen I know all of that. I'm still living with my mother, so all the things I have "parents" to blame for, I only blamed on my mother - because, well, my father was not there, so only she had to listen when I was reminding her how many things in my childhood were fucked up. And most of these fights were in the last 5-7 years, when I saw how people my age proceeded with normal life and I saw how Im behind in one or other dimensions that started years, years ago when I was kid or teenager. Many loud arguments, fights, shouts, all with my mother. I gave her so much pain and attacked her in so many ways, it's just beyond comprehension.

I think in last 5 years we shouted and had arguemtns about everything there was to have an argument about (what she did wrong, and what I did wrong), so for last year or so we hadnt any. I know I need to take resposibility for my life, Im adult and all that, it just feel so paralyzing to take action because Im so many years behind its not like I will ever catch up.

For last few days Im thinking too much abour all this and sudennly I reminded myself that I wanted to commit suicide when I was 19. I even bought 2 packs of pills, but instead of taking all of them, I was lying in bed and took one, after a few minutes a second, after 5 minutes a third, and I ended up swallowing only 4 before I just fell asleep. When I woke up, I had no courage to take them anymore. Imagine - if I could only manage to swallow them back then, when I was 19, I would have saved my mother so much trouble, figts, arguments, and pain. I mean, she would grieve for a few months, but overall her life would be better. I really regret I didn't do it then. And now, as a 32-year-old, I'm not even suicidal.

I rememberr I wanted to have family when I was younger, but I undestand I probably shouldnt have it like ever. Its not like Im in any danger for that so... <chuckles>
At the end I need to admit that my life was nothing but pathology after pathology after pathology, so as hurtfull as it sounds women were right to never be in a relationship with me. I like to think that I would be more responsible with my life if I actually had a child when I was 20 or something but to be honest, its not something I or anyone can be sure of - maybe I would have been or maybe I would be just a little better than my father, I will never know.

And lastly doctors found some polyps in my gallbladder few months ago, and these polyps are pretty big, but I'm fat so surgery carries risks, for now I just need to check them every few months to make sure they dont grow, but if they do theres like 15-20% chance it will be cancer. Maybe my life won't last much longer and all things will be smooth in the end. Plus I heard my father died few months ago, so world is certainly a bit better place now.
Read every word. probably the saddest story i have read man. I wish i could give you hugs. But here is the virtual hugs as an brocel
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Brutal man
I hope everyone's life gets better with time. My mom often said that we learn from everything that happens to us, so nothing is a waste. I try to believe her that it's true
 
Incredibly brutal thread needs more attention
 
Every life is precious friend. E joy life the best way you can
 

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