Hm, maybe more aren't woke than I realise. But it's disheartening how many are.
Hm, maybe more aren't woke than I realise. But it's disheartening how many are.
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Play more JP indies like Beyond Citadel, Astlibra Revision, ENDER LILIES or Metal Bringer. AAA JP slop has become as bad as Western AAA they are beyond saving at this point.
The problem with JP games is that they are usually shit. Games from European/American devs are usually better.
Back in the day though I had all Sega and Nintendo consoles and lots of first-party games and other Japanese games and they were amazing.
Hm, interesting!
Are they better than Western indies do you think? Because even those feel a bit woke oftentimes or kind of woke-adjacent, lol
I bought like 50 games on the PS4 from Japan during my trips and they are all boring as shit. Only fun one was that Yohane game, but even then I would call fun a stretch.
Yes and no, they seem to be more novel with what they are trying to do and at least want to evolve from previous games while Western Indies are stagnating with only a few of them trying to innovate, how many of those need to be roguelikes? Even Japan got hit by that virus with Metal Bringer but at least they did with unusual twist of you controlling robot and also mech. And their female characters are not as hideous as with Western indies
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Real interesting nip games were on ps1-2-3 and modern nip games are now releasing on PC while on PS4 they wouldn't be able to get released due censorship or because they are still not ready to be released (early acccess).
What about Sonic, Mario, Zelda, Street Fighter, Mario Kart, Phantasy Star Online, Shenmue... and so many other games on Sega, Nintendo and Sony? Just for starters.
Seems really odd to say that Japanese games are bad...
the good all days, with nigger free vidya
Did you know Sega consoles havent been a thing for more than 2 decades. You are talking about ancient stuff here man.
And arguably, these games are not that fun anymore compared to a lot of the stuff we have now. I would 100x rather be playing Forza Horizon than Mario Kart.
Hm. OK so you're talking about modern or fairly modern games. In that case... I dunno maybe. I haven't really been following them for a while.
Is your argument that they've gotten much worse? Because that may well be true.
Well, I do not play ancient games. The oldest games I play are from early 2010s and imo Western games are better.
Dude, you also cannot deny that a lot of Japanese games are just slop too. Like many of those JRPGs with 2003 graphics that still release nowadays. I have never seen a Japanese game that comes close to the graphics of for example 2015 Batman Arkham Knight or 2013 Crysis 3. The ones that look good, look cartoony as fuck.
My top 30 games on Steam by playtime are all not Japanese. Only thereafter some Japanese games turn up like Yakuza 0.
If we want to talk old games and go by legendary games, I think the Hitman and Splinter Cell franchise have produced far better games than anything Japan has to offer.
For example, what Japanese game comes close to the Hitman trilogy or Splinter Cell Chaos Theory? The only genre of games they truly dominate are fighting games and games for 3 years olds, which are niche. Or think about Aliens vs Predator or Alien Isolation (published by japs, but made by british devs). All solid as fuck games.
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Sonic was never fun with exception of DX games new games are either remasters or shitty sequels on budget using PSO2NGS assets and effects, PSO with NGS is completely dead and filled with troons and coomers that don't care about gameplay variety or a good story or level design i quit many years ago, Mario got dumbed down with each new console and now they have reached peak of casualization, zelda was always trash and new zeldas are just ubislop but made by nips
and without cool towns full of npcs that ubisoft is well known for, i never really cared for Street Fighter since 2-4 now they are all about buying DLCs and grinding ranks, Fuck Mario Kart that shitty IP killed F-Zero , After disaster of Shenmue 3 you will never have a sequel and that game was not made by Sega anyway.
It's weird seeing indie devs make Sonic boost-formula likes. I liked those games as a KID (because I had a strange fixation on Sonic as most young autistcels do) but they are not worth my time now. Those games were just running down a corridor and pressing 2 buttons; half the time there would be some spectacle or grind rail section that actively wrestled control away from you. Maybe Spark is better but I haven't played it.
You are probably not even aware that some games you like are from Japan. From software games suck too? Resident evil has shitty graphics?
You think only jrpgs are from Japan?
Spark is more like Sonic Adventure 2 I think which is quite different. I agree that boost Sonics aren't great on the whole.
Sonic was never fun with exception of DX games new games are either remasters or shitty sequels on budget using PSO2NGS assets and effects, PSO with NGS is completely dead and filled with troons and coomers that don't care about gameplay variety or a good story or level design i quit many years ago, Mario got dumbed down with each new console and now they have reached peak of casualization, zelda was always trash and new zeldas are just ubislop but made by nips
View attachment 1415228Here is your Sega with games of 2025 and beyond.
I don't really like Sega after about 2008.
Nintendo... hm. I like them here and there. The N64 was amazing.
I think we're talking about completely different eras tbh.
It may well be true that games from Japan have gone downhill but also I think @Razielcel has a point.
Maybe you should widen your horizons. They offer unique gameplay and perspective that you can't see in the western games take for example Parasite Eve 1 that has quickly become one of my fav games and can stand proud near Deus Ex (both were finished for the first time very recently)
Japanese games in the past were much better looking than Western games only in past decade they started lagging massively. Also just because game has great graphics doesn't mean it will be good, Arkham Knight still looks amazing but gameplay was much less fun than Arkham City or Asylum, Crysis 3 was just a lazy copy of Crysis 2 nothing new was added except shitty bow. Honestly we are in great graphics drought do you think that new Western games look better than those two? Not a single game look this good, dogshit Temporal AA ruins everything and turn your screen into a mud covered fest. Such miserable state of industry with UE5 and dogshit TAA is the result of endless chasing of pretty graphics instead of pretty artstyles and good gameplay. MGS V still looks nice and plays very well, Elden Ring has much prettier vistas than any western game. Not everything need to be about shiny graphics, artstyle also matters a lot that's why Dragon's Crown still looks great.
Great, It's obvious you have bias for Stealth games, You should be playing MGS at very least V i like it more than any Splinter Cell that aged horribly on pc. Hitman are very unique series that never been replicated well by any other developer and highly disagree about your last point it's just a subjective opinion and not a fact, there are shitload of better games that i had way more fun with than any Hitman game and like i said i never liked Splinter Cell it's controls always sucked.
Again with stealth games bias. You dislike other genres so no shit that you only see Japanese games as nothing but crappy JPG spammers.
Japan is not only known for it's JRPGS, What about racing games? Gran Turismo and Wangan Midnight Club series are great. What about Action melee based games? You have Dark Souls, MGRR, DMC, Bayonetta and more way more (Monster Hunters are genre of it's own), FPS games with gun autism with smooth gameplay that was never reached by any westerner? Beyond Citadel. Something more unique but with timer to annoy you because why not? You have Katamari or Ape Escape 2/3 or Crazy Taxi. Action MMORPG that was more fun than any western MMORPG? Phantasy Star Online 2. Visual novels so i can cope with being lonely incel? Too many titles to count they are so unique that not a single western game came close to any of them (Dohna Dohna, Baldr Sky, Rance, anything from Yuzusoft, Kamidori Alchemy Meister), Rhythm games? They are ultra popular in Japan just google how many Taiko no Tatsujin games were released in past 10 years it's a lot of them.
KekSonic was never fun with exception of DX games new games are either remasters or shitty sequels on budget using PSO2NGS assets and effects, PSO with NGS is completely dead and filled with troons and coomers that don't care about gameplay variety or a good story or level design i quit many years ago, Mario got dumbed down with each new console and now they have reached peak of casualization, zelda was always trash and new zeldas are just ubislop but made by nips
View attachment 1415228Here is your Sega with games of 2025 and beyond.
Resident Evil is dogshit, I legit HATE that franchise. From Software games are mid, but the developer of their games are fucking incompetent pieces of shit. Actually Resident Evil developers too. They are fucking dogshit shit fuckers that drink ocelot piss.
They are incapable of making a single good PC port. I bought Resident Evil village in the fucking steam sale and then I tried it, it was a fucking horrendous port like every time you changed your resolution it would change the resolution immediately instead of making a normal list where you select your resolution you have to cycle through every resolution. All from software games are unplayable on the PC, lazy fucking developers. RE and DS games constantly push you to use a controller, I do not care, they are incompetent and they do not know how to make PC games.
That's a massive skill issue, I never had issues with modern RE games (outside of 6 and Revelations games) and beat Dark Souls 1 for the first time 2 years ago with ZERO issues (and that game become one of my all time favourite not a single other From game can match it's greatness of first half of the game, shame about 2nd half)
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This guy is just malding at this point, no point in talking to him.
That's a massive skill issue, I never had issues with modern RE games (outside of 6 and Revelations games) and beat Dark Souls 1 for the first time 2 years ago with ZERO issues (and that game become one of my all time favourite not a single other From game can match it's greatness of first half of the game, shame about 2nd half) View attachment 1415235Old RE1-3 are pretty shit but starting from 4 and to 5 they are ultra fun rest are not great just mediocre. Darksouls was made with controllers in mind so stop being a dumbass and take it to your hand. Are you also trying to play racing or fighting games with your keyboard?
Hm, I love classic Resident Evil, lol
I'm not so keen on modern RE. Then again it's very different.
The horror games I've played the most are I think RE1 (including the GameCube remake), Code Veronica, RE4, RE6 and the FEAR games. Also The Darkness 1 and 2. I guess they count. And probably more I'm forgetting lol
So... mostly Western other than RE.
@gymletethnicel To be fair it does seem a bit strange to have a go at me for liking old Japanese games when this thread is about me missing them! I get that the '80s and '90s were a long time ago now though. That's when I really remember them being 10/10 though.
After Burner 2, Space Harrier, Outrun, Dynamite Headdy, Star Fox, NiGHTS, Bomberman, R-Type, King of Fighters, Virtua Cop, House of the Dead, Daytona USA, Virtua Fighter 2, Fighting Vipers, Jet Set Radio...
The game page should say it does not support keyboard and mouse. If the game claims it supports keyboard and mouse then I am fucking playing it with a keyboard and mouse, and if it does not work then. Fuck you then, I am refunding the piece of shit. But it is not just the controller issue, these games tend to be not well optimized in other ways too, as mentioned before with the resolution issue.That's a massive skill issue, I never had issues with modern RE games (outside of 6 and Revelations games) and beat Dark Souls 1 for the first time 2 years ago with ZERO issues View attachment 1415235Old RE1-3 are pretty shit but starting from 4 and to 5 they are ultra fun rest are not great just mediocre. Darksouls was made with controllers in mind so stop being a dumbass and take it to your hand. Are you also trying to play racing or fighting games with your keyboard?
But it is not just Dark Souls, it is also Resident Evil. Awful fucking console ports, and this is something that I have seen across 90% of Japanese games. Japanese developers are mostly incompetent as fuck when it comes to this. This is a fact. And yeah I have played RE and DS before and finished some, but only on console because the shit is unplayable on PC.
Did you fucking know that if you connect to someone in co-op in Dark Souls 3, you can inject malware onto the other guy's PC? Nice fucking security. They are absolutely lazy ass developers.
I am. I am no stranger to Japanese games, I bought Chrono Trigger in the Steam sale, the only question is whether it would keep me hooked, which I very much doubt. Just in general I am not a fan of the Japanese games. Final Fantasy I hate. But I like Elder Scrolls. Splinter Cell I love, but MGS is boring to me.
The only Japanese games I have TRULY enjoyed are the Yakuza games.
MGS V has decent graphics and Elder Ring just has a nice artstyle. I was giving these examples that no Japanese developer can really the Western games when it comes to that. Not really, that is the decisive factor in what makes a good game of course. I am a Counter-Strike nerd who plays on low settings too, so for me graphics arent everything.
I said, I think. Obviously, which game you like is subjective.
A fact is that Western games are more advanced and generally better optimized though.
Racing Games, the West also mogs. My favorite racing game is Forza Horizon 4. Action melee? Batman, God of War, Shadow of War/Mordor, Witcher 3 (dogshit combat but still good fucking game), Blade of Darkness the OG Dark Souls before even Demons Souls.
The main difference between for example Batman and Bayonetta/Souls game is that Batman is actually FUN and has way more variety in content. Souls games are, trash mob, trash mob, trash mob, go to bonfire and upgrade, trash mob, trash mob, trash mob, boss fight, die, repeat 3 times, new bonfire, farm trash mobs again, die, repeat, it is not that amazing tbh.
Rhythm games are niche and cancerous. Though they can be addictive, played a bit of Osu (oh thats from an Australian dev kek).
He is a turbo centric PC gamer so he will never understand how anyone could like old games and probably also a much younger guy than both of us. It seems like he never played anything in 90s since he was not yet born.
I want to like japanese games for the sole reason they feature beautiful foids. But I can't fathom how in the world they almost always manage to throw in some faggotry or cuckoldry, or both.
I am right, you are wrong. Simple as.
Gigabased
They fixed it long time ago. Do you know you could do the same and also give you VAC ban in COD steam games? You don't you don't seem to care and give them a pass since they are western games
Not true most of the time they are dumbed down for the retarded normies and only indies can be more advanced, optimization is absolutely non existent for Western games just look at Space Marine 2 that requires RTX 3070 at least to have playable framerate.
Forza Horizon 4 is just a massive downgrade from FH3 and it's different kind of racing game when compared to Gran Turismo games or series like NFS Most Wanted that mogs the shit out of any Forza. Batman, Soy of War, Shadow of war, Witcher 3 all play the same you can as well add Assassin's Creed since all of games you mentioned (i dunno if you are talking about old GOW or NEW probably shitty new GOW) are trying to copy that lazy and copy pasted combat. No they are not better than any of the games i mentioned they are ultra boring and simplistic you only press three buttons with barely any combos and bosses are laughably easy.
Like i just said Batman is ultra boring with it's combat i liked playing it at launch since i didn't knew any better but you only press three buttons always fighting against boring trash enemies without any AI just attack attacks, counter/roll attack attack and it's entire game you don't even have bonfires or any interesting upgrades. They could be cool in late 00s/early 10s but now they are laughably bad. Bayonetta and Souls you need to always watch out for enemies trying to hit you, with bayo you better learn combos and do high score combo for more points for upgrading, for Dark souls you have exploration which is non existent in Batman games, bosses are actually difficult instead of boring jump over their head when they hit the wall and hit them three times till they die. I'm falling asleep when i remember that one Batman fight in the sewers.
Anyway i will be always playing both Japanese and western games i just finished one western game, i'm not scared of using my gamepad i don't care if i need to press a few times to pick my screen resolution that's pc gaming it's all about customization (you could just edit ini btw) if you don't understand it maybe it's time to retire or actually join console world.
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You weren't even aware of any japanese games out of jrpgs until I mentioned it and you didn't adress your inaccurate takes about graphics like this one:
"I have never seen a Japanese game that comes close to the graphics of for example 2015 Batman Arkham Knight or 2013 Crysis 3".
Instead you started talking about something completely different like controls and exaggerated It to a stupid degree.
You are just a kid who barely played any games talking out of his ass with delusions of grandeur. And that's why it's futile to talk to you. I mean look at your posts here, most of it is just malding. You are being emotional and have to be right even when you are proven wrong.
Edit: Also, calling fs games 'mid' when it's formula got so popular that countless other devs copied it and their games sold well. That's like shitting on quake but in 90's.
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@gymletethnicel Ikaruga, Radiant Silvergun, Final Fight, Metal Slug, Power Stone 2, Sonic Adventure 2, Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, Soldier Blade, Air Buster, Galactic Attack, Sonic Riders, The Conduit, Samba De Amigo, Panzer Dragoon...
Yah I should stop listing old games lol
Yah I should stop listing old games lol
I am a turbo centric PC gamer and genuinely can't understand what makes people want to play all this "timeless" classics from jap devs where 99% of them aged badly. But, I totally understand why people play some old PC games.
Sorry but sonic riders? This shit wasn't fun even in 2005.Every single one on my lists aged like fine wine
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lol I never understood why people were hard on that game. Seemed fun to me!
That being said erm... the fact that I can reel off great Japanese games from the '80 and '90s but struggle more as the years go by after that does suggest they're not as good as they used to be.
But now in 2025 Western games are going downhill and Chinese and Korean ones are getting better!
So you can never tell I guess
Crazy that even japs cant escape the troons and niggers
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Japanese games are best known for fighting games and JRPGs, and also Armored Core I guess. The rest is pretty much slop.
Hitman and SC series is too good to be compared to Japanese anime fantasy slop, tbhngl.
But you'd say it used to be better? Because in my lists above it was easy for me to say gem after gem at least from before say 2005.
@Patches I think the woke "powers that be" extended their influence over there too, plus many Japanese games are made for other markets or worldwide success.
Interesting how China and Korea seem less affected.
Hm, it also occurs to me that many of the games I listed... would be quicker summarised by company! What exactly happened to these amazing companies >.<
Sega, Nintendo, Konami, Treasure, Namco, Hudson, SNK, Capcom, all that good stuff! Tons of epic companies. Hm.
I'll go ask DeepSeek if Japanese games have plummeted since the glory days, lol
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It said this:
- Peak: Late 1980s–late 1990s (NES/SNES/PS1 era) and the modern resurgence (2015–present).
- Lowest Point: Late 2000s–early 2010s (HD transition struggles, mobile shift).
Today, Japanese games are arguably in another golden age, with FromSoftware, Capcom (Resident Evil 4 Remake), Nintendo (Tears of the Kingdom), and Atlus (Persona 6 incoming) leading the charge.
Sega, Nintendo, Konami, Treasure, Namco, Hudson, SNK, Capcom, all that good stuff! Tons of epic companies. Hm.
I'll go ask DeepSeek if Japanese games have plummeted since the glory days, lol
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It said this:
- Peak: Late 1980s–late 1990s (NES/SNES/PS1 era) and the modern resurgence (2015–present).
- Lowest Point: Late 2000s–early 2010s (HD transition struggles, mobile shift).
Today, Japanese games are arguably in another golden age, with FromSoftware, Capcom (Resident Evil 4 Remake), Nintendo (Tears of the Kingdom), and Atlus (Persona 6 incoming) leading the charge.
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I'm not really the one to ask, tbh. I don't play Japanese games outside of the few that've went mainstream in the West, like Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, and fighting games (Tekken, Street Fighter).
@based_meme @starystulejarz @gymletethnicel @Razielcel
Did any of you guys know about this "golden age" business? :o
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(that just links to my post before this one!)
I had no idea that things changed to that degree over time but even I was mainly playing Western games after about 2008.
Only recently have I really started thinking about games from the east lots again and that's mainly because of wokeness.
Did any of you guys know about this "golden age" business? :o
I miss non-woke Japanese games
:cryfeels: Hm, maybe more aren't woke than I realise. But it's disheartening how many are.
incels.is
(that just links to my post before this one!)
I had no idea that things changed to that degree over time but even I was mainly playing Western games after about 2008.
Only recently have I really started thinking about games from the east lots again and that's mainly because of wokeness.
If it meant profit then AI is right but when it comes to great but also innovative games then it's a lie, all of those companies are creatively bankrupt. Those games he mentioned are bog standard and not innovative in any single way, this is not an Golden Age but a Mirror Age.
Fromsoftware with Elden Ring and it's standalone dlc started making boring open world games with procedural crap that makes them even more boring to discover
Capcom with RE4R just made same game again but a bit worse and cut all humour from the game (at least Krauser boss got reworked shame about Salazar boss that was pretty shit). DD2 was a joke and inferior to DD1, MH Wilds has objectively garbage dumbed down combat, performance and graphics. I don't care about Street Fighter but people like 6 so at least they have something that people praise, they still produce some unique games like Kunitsu-gami.
Nintendo is total dogwater and only total blind fanboys are liking them now, BOTW and ToTK are your bog standard ubislop games but made in Japan "so it's 10/10" - Asmongold, they are spamming shitty casualized Mario and Zelda games (that actually staring Zelda this time) while old cool IPs are staying dead (F-Zero, Custom Robo, Wave Race, Starfox)
And Atlus haven't made a single engaging game in entire history of their company, they are just spamming lazy turn based rpgs over and over again and recycling models for multiple games of Persona/SMTs, their stories are about handsome Chads destroying Chuds it's the peak of bluepill and normie garbage gaming where you just press two buttons without thinking through entire game and rest are just writing badly constructed story about evil mysogninistic men
.Did AI forget that they are owned by Sega?
Square Enix is so irrelevant that AI even forget about their existence.
If it meant profit then AI is right but when it comes to great but also innovative games then it's a lie, all of those companies are creatively bankrupt. Those games he mentioned are bog standard and not innovative in any single way, this is not an Golden Age but a Mirror Age.
Fromsoftware with Elden Ring and it's standalone dlc started making boring open world games with procedural crap that makes them even more boring to discover
Capcom with RE4R just made same game again but a bit worse and cut all humour from the game (at least Krauser boss got reworked shame about Salazar boss that was pretty shit). DD2 was a joke and inferior to DD1, MH Wilds has objectively garbage dumbed down combat, performance and graphics. I don't care about Street Fighter but people like 6 so at least they have something that people praise, they still produce some unique games like Kunitsu-gami.
Nintendo is total dogwater and only total blind fanboys are liking them now, BOTW and ToTK are your bog standard ubislop games but made in Japan "so it's 10/10" - Asmongold, they are spamming shitty casualized Mario and Zelda games (that actually staring Zelda this time) while old cool IPs are staying dead (F-Zero, Custom Robo, Wave Race, Starfox)
And Atlus haven't made a single engaging game in entire history of their company, they are just spamming lazy turn based rpgs over and over again and recycling models for multiple games of Persona/SMTs, their stories are about handsome Chads destroying Chuds it's the peak of bluepill and normie garbage gaming where you just press two buttons without thinking through entire game and rest are just writing badly constructed story about evil mysogninistic men
Did AI forget that they are owned by Sega?
I pretty much agree yeah.
It's odd because I want to say that I don't really know enough about modern games to say for sure that Japanese games now aren't very good but... maybe I *do* and the reason I feel this way is because I keep looking for great games that are never there.
It's like I think that surely Japan and the West have secret treasure troves of amazing games that I just don't know about, but maybe that's not true at all.
Even indie games as I say... so many of them seem woke or kind of "woke lite". For example Ion Fury is Duke 3D but with a female protagonist, and that kind of thing seems very very common.
So yeah I dunno. I also have no idea why Japan are struggling so much. Maybe wokeness just dictates a lot to them too about what to release and so on. But surely it's not DEI hiring over there because their population is a lot more homogenous than in much of the West.
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