I just can't do frontend development man

[ReconElement]

It's so shit, I am a bottom up learner but the framework infested frontend space is top down and it's like you have to learn everything and then begin to do some projects meanwhile I learn by doing projects it is ruining my peace of mind and my interest for programming and above all frontend space is full of FOIDS, CUCKS and other designer FOIDS and normie soydevs. What are you opinions programmers of .is?

 

[Katzu998]

Yea frontend is a horrible mess but it's the only thing school taught me, I never learned backend and backend usually costs money to even try playing around with it which is lame asf. I joined the webdev discord and the developers there were mogging me so hard with their portfolios, projects and skills it was just depressing. I've failed at everything I've ever tried

 

[Jud Pottah]

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[SmhChan]

Start with HTML, CSS, and JS, why don't you instead of shits like react?

 

[ReconElement]

Start with HTML, CSS, and JS, why don't you instead of shits like react?

I have done all that and now I am making a simple project on react the only fault of mine being I am not a traditional frameworker so my style of probing and learning by doing does not work in the frontend space it works everywhere else in computer science tho just not in the frontend space of top down frameworks literally APIs at this point of some third party application instead of programming

 

[ReconElement]

Yea frontend is a horrible mess but it's the only thing school taught me, I never learned backend and backend usually costs money to even try playing around with it which is lame asf. I joined the webdev discord and the developers there were mogging me so hard with their portfolios, projects and skills it was just depressing. I've failed at everything I've ever tried

You can code anything but a frontend, not just your standard backend if you want

 

[SmhChan]

I have done all that and now I am making a simple project on react the only fault of mine being I am not a traditional frameworker so my style of probing and learning by doing does not work in the frontend space it works everywhere else in computer science tho just not in the frontend space of top down frameworks literally APIs at this point of some third party application instead of programming

I get it where you are coming from. React's hook apis are the most obfuscated shits I have seen after digging into their code base. Writing react code is mainly about controlling the side-effects and managing states well. I guess that's UI programming in general. But if you start developing something complex like a markdown editor or anything where the interactions are heavily client-sided, you'll definitely get the feeling of "real" programming, where you'd need to optimize your code, adopt custom caching strategies, decide when to free memory etc.

 

[ReconElement]

I get it where you are coming from. React's hook apis are the most obfuscated shits I have seen after digging into their code base. Writing react code is mainly about controlling the side-effects and managing states well. I guess that's UI programming in general. But if you start developing something complex like a markdown editor or anything where the interactions are heavily client-sided, you'll definitely get the feeling of "real" programming, where you'd need to optimize your code, adopt custom caching strategies, decide when to free memory etc.

Yea thanks for this man, I guess that I've to read and figure stuff out or something can't stop now but it is really obfuscated

 

[Tjaldur]

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[slavcel11]

you only really need one framework to do shit, the main problem is that js is a dumpster fire of a language, and the web stack if full of incongruent ancient shit that doesnt work well together.
Like we have global styles but nowadays you'll probably use css modules and preprocessors (more abstraction)
Like we have js with its entire host of birth traumas. You have to use babel for it to work everywhere. Meaning, the code you write isn't quite the code thats get run (more abstraction)
Like you have this whole step of bundling which is a mess on its own (more abstraction)
Like then there's frameworks (more abstraction)
Like we have essentially duck typed language that is js that we want to make safe by... inventing Typescript, which introduces a lot of its own pains in the ass.
Dont get me started on linting - eslint is a horrible mess that needs to die. Same goes to jest (testing) .
Then there's npm which is basically a trashbin of abandonware.

frontend is ridden with shit like this.

AND YET, there's this new movement from engine authors to make a new dumbed down version of js the standard and offload implementing new language features to BUNDLERS FOR FUCKS SAKE. It doesnt get crazier than that.

 

[bruhwtf]

just go backend with ai nigguhhhh

 

[ReconElement]

you only really need one framework to do shit, the main problem is that js is a dumpster fire of a language, and the web stack if full of incongruent ancient shit that doesnt work well together.
Like we have global styles but nowadays you'll probably use css modules and preprocessors (more abstraction)
Like we have js with its entire host of birth traumas. You have to use babel for it to work everywhere. Meaning, the code you write isn't quite the code thats get run (more abstraction)
Like you have this whole step of bundling which is a mess on its own (more abstraction)
Like then there's frameworks (more abstraction)
Like we have essentially duck typed language that is js that we want to make safe by... inventing Typescript, which introduces a lot of its own pains in the ass.
Dont get me started on linting - eslint is a horrible mess that needs to die. Same goes to jest (testing) .
Then there's npm which is basically a trashbin of abandonware.

frontend is ridden with shit like this.

AND YET, there's this new movement from engine authors to make a new dumbed down version of js the standard and offload implementing new language features to BUNDLERS FOR FUCKS SAKE. It doesnt get crazier than that.

Yea man it is a mess but guess it pays bills as well, idk

 

[ReconElement]

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thanks

 

[Ubermenschvirtues]

The matter of fact, no one cares about anybody.
You are WelCome world!!