Not just because of better sewage. Quality of life. IVC exhibit signs of egalitarian society, very minimal weapons and signs of violence. Which means it was safe as compared to Rome and Greece with class structure, high violence and amenities only reserved for elites. And what makes rome better?
Examples?
And how is that a good thing? Egalitarianism decays a society, since fundamentally it is flawed & is part of the reason as to why we are in this awful state. Egalitarianism is just another lie.
A class structure is needed for any society, the whole "we're all equal" is complete nonsense & bluepilled.
Rome was quite safe internally, it was violent on the frontiers.
You really have to ask this? jfl. @wereq
IVC survived for 900 years at least, so I don't think it's a lie. I would prefer to live in a classless society. Have you not seen how every religion shows heaven class less.
It's not non sense. Only a mental cuck would prefer hierarchies over egalitarianism.
Not as safe as IVC.
You are defending elites. Jfl at your IQ.
You are really defending monarchism.
Whilst Rome last longer, and left much more of a legacy.
Yes it is- Egalitarianism preaches that all are the same, all should be completely equal, etc. whilst disregarding the various differences that make us unique & that certain individuals may better suite developing society as a whole.
That's not true: God is always king, and Angels are above them. So yes, Heaven does have a class-system.
Hierarchies don't mean you are oppressed; your mental cuck argument just like the IQ one you made is an ad hominem..
Yet Rome was bigger, do the math here.
Because modern elites have been corrupted by the various sources of evil In this world(Social Marxism, materialism, Talmudism, etc). Historically,
No I am not, where did you get this from?
Military is needed, for many reasons: You can't trust that those around you will be willing for peace, though you should strive for it. Not to mention, military training & skill is associated with actual masculinity which is needed.
Wasn't the extent of the trade networks & seafaring skills Rome had.
Romans had much uniqueness to them: Language, traditions, etc. & whilst was inspired, by Greeks built upon it much greater.
We have egalitarianism now in the West and this has only subverted law and order. Give enough egalitarianism and different sects of any nation will start revolting and declaring autonomy. Chaos will reign and national integrity will crumble Egalitarianism and tolerance are the last refuge of the weak, cowardly, feminine, and incompetent. If you like that shit, go back to reddit, this place is not for you.
Stop this curry worship you shitskin! GTFO of here. There is no comparison between the greatness of Rome and poojets. Rome was an imperialist empire that successfully ruled over many different races. Their architecture and engineering still stands firm to this day which is much more than I can say about poojets.
Violence is the sole authority through which all other authority is derived. Those who give up their license to use violence always end up losing their rights to their enemies. The world is a zero sum game and everyone is constantly scrambling to subjugate their opponent. This is the reality.
As a immigrant myself I am just trying to survive, just like you.
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Iam talking about good immigrants asshole, they don’t commit that much of a crime as blacks and whites do.
I should of specified that I’m fine with some immigration but not at the current rate that it’s happening
From fascism to this
No, immigration worldwide ideally would be permanently halted. Everyone should stick in their own homelands
That’s why I wanna move back to curry land after I got enough money even though my family stayed in Singapore for 3 generations.
Ethnics in the west really need to be properly racepilled, non-whites as a whole need to stop emigrating to white countries (err, formerly white countries ig hahaha)
True, we all have a culture to protect
And the women claim to give a shit about muh culture yet go out of their way to bleach their entire bloodlineTrue, we all have a culture to protect
Just cherry pick theory.
You of course "some retarded". It's one of the first civilization in world you retard. They had well planned cities, sewage system and cities laid on grid pattern. Were one of the first people to use standardized bricks and weights
Yes, and Romans weren't the first civilization and weren't figuring out everything about civilization on their own. They had a whole bunch of information from Greeks.
You don't even know what egalitarianism is.
I'm not against hierarchies I know a country should a have leader but he should be democratically elected and must be under the law as compared to kings who are considered above the law and kings childern gets more opportunities ad comapred to commoner which again is injustice. Everyone should have equal opportunities and rights which proves my point the the hierarchies that you are referring to are oppressive.
And how do you decide who is fit govern and who is fit to build? And if you are rich you get more opportunities as compared to if you are poor. Which is oppressive. If you don't have same opportunities as a king's son you'll always end up on bottom of the society. Which makes sure rich and powerful become more rich and powerful whilst poor becomes more poor. Which is oppressive.
I didn't know there were modern liberals in IVC and ancient Iran.
IVC was the largest civilization in terms of land at that time. It was bigger than today's Greece.
Elites are all hedonistic, selfish and cruel people no matter which time frame they are from stop defending them.
Only of you are uncivilised rabid dog, and those around you can't trust you or vice versa. If you are civilised human you don't need military, cause those around you know that. You won't attack them and vice versa.
Again IVC was the first and older.
Romans copied alot from Greeks.
It can relate to inceldom since rapeugees are stealing all of his women.Inceldom Discussed
Based. Absolutely destroyed that cuck. He always picks fights with me for no fucking reason while being overtly aggressive.Just cherry pick theory.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charvaka
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samkhya
Even pagan Europeans worshiped animals you retard.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_rituals#:~:text=Different types of animals or,part of the Odin faith).
To most pagan animals are sacred you uneducated moron.
Not everyone worship cows in India only some school of thoughts of Hinduism do.
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You of course "some retarded". It's one of the first civilization in world you retard. They had well planned cities, sewage system and cities laid on grid pattern. Were one of the first people to use standardized bricks and weights
Yeah of course they didn't have civilization. Jfl at your retarded coomskin claim.
Maurya Empire - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Gupta Empire - Wikipedia
Satavahana dynasty - Wikipedia
And ofcoucrse Romans were trading with people who were uncivilised
Indo-Roman trade relations - Wikipedia
And of course uncivilised people built centres for learning in their countries while the civilised Brits were doing god knows what at that time.
Nalanda mahavihara - Wikipedia
No we don't have egalitarianism anywhere.We have egalitarianism now in the West and this has only subverted law and order. Give enough egalitarianism and different sects of any nation will start revolting and declaring autonomy. Chaos will reign and national integrity will crumble Egalitarianism and tolerance are the last refuge of the weak, cowardly, feminine, and incompetent. If you like that shit, go back to reddit, this place is not for you.
Well I don't need your opinion on Romans and Indians. Cause you are a abused self hating ethnic roach.
Then why does it hurt you when black and ethnics do crime in Europe and America. They are inherently more violent, so I guess they should have a right to rule Europe rather than there democratically elected leaders.
Honestly, mass immigration is a contributor to inceldom. Especially if the government propagates the new arrivals as ideal mates and cucks the native population.Inceldom Discussed
Better than being a delusional roach who is not in touch with reality!
And they do have the right to rule don't they?! Their violence has caused power to seep out of the hands of Whites.
exactly
No, the loss of the last white bastion in ww2 has lead to that. Not a bunch of low IQ arab village dwellers.
Dude, you're spewing so much shit that an Indian wouldn't be able to gobble it all up.
As expected a low iq response. I've put end to your cumskin cope. GTFO.
ROFL, low quality troll. Enjoy your corpse and shit Valentine's dinner, and don't forget to prep the literal bull as part of your daily worship.
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I wish you had cancer
Same
I never said they were: Who are you talking to here, your imaginary friend?
Yes I do, quit behaving condescending.
You just criticized them & me for believing in them.
No they shouldn't, democracy is awful & is partially why shit is awful. Ideally, a closed-system Authoritarian Republic would work more better. We need strong leaders, which Authoritarian(not Totalitarian) regimes tend to bring.
I'm no fan of monarchies, but you do realize that in most of Medieval Europe, the Catholic Church held a lot of power & effectively served as a counterweight towards the monarchies. Monarchs also had laws to adhere to, and had the Church as an element to keep them in check.
Exactly the type of thinking that is common in our world nowadays: So would foids also have these equal opportunities & rights.
Simple, who is the most objectively fit for the job.
Due to certain peoples innate pre-determined intelligence, strength, etc. it makes sense for them to have certain freedoms to be used that can benefit the nation-state: Freedom should exist, but only freedom that serves as beneficial in order to create
You just described modern Capitalism, good job.
Not an argument at all: I was referring how modern Liberals & whatnot support the ideal of egalitarianism, which you yourself support & stated IVC had.
Ok? But did it achieve as much as Greece? Did it leave the architectural wonders, development, philosophy, military, and other legacies Greece did? No it didn't.
if*
And that's the point, trust is a two-way street & almost never really works in a political sense.
Yes you do.
So if you are "civilized" that somehow means no one will attack you or want to do harm to you, just for the fact they see you as civilized?
Ok? Did IVC somehow inspire the Europeans? No it didn't.
They took some things, and improved on the few things they copied.
And? I'm allowed to @ someone who might be interested in the discussion at hand to have their input on it; stop with these ad hominems.
The Church is anti-democracy. I do not know the context and did not take the time to read through anything, but I do not and will never agree with democracy, it is incompatible with theocracy.
I am anti democracy: I support a system best described as an Authoritarian one-party & closed-system Republic, in which the various elements of society would follow a Corporatist type of system.
So what you are describing is a corporate modernist version of elective monarchy. Jfl at 'one-party' system. An aristocracy but instead of election through lawfulness or succession, it is based on favoritism, economic free-for-all, and power struggle.
Have you read what I said? You were saying IVC is small and this and that and I countered that by stating the fact IVC were the first civilization. And they weren't rabid dogs who liked to attack others.
I'm not behaving condescending, you literally butchered the definition of egalitarianism. Your information from egalitarianism comes from a right wing grifter.
I'm not listening to a person that has biased views on egalitarianism cause he is funded by right wing billionaires and organisations. To support their narrative. Rather than actually educating people, he is pushing a agenda.
No, it isn't every elite is against egalitarianism.
Again you lack knowledge about egalitarianism and your argument is built on errors and ignores the fundamental foundations of egalitarianism. Egalitarianism does not advocate for a "nothing and be happy" philosophy, but rather for equal rights, opportunities, and treatment throughout society while acknowledging and valuing individual differences. Egalitarianism is consistent with core human values and the natural order of societies that seek justice and equality, and that's why there were egalitarian efforts in ancient iran. And IVC was egalitarian too. It only goes against the elites and the privileged.
I criticized you on believing in authoritarian hierarchies not democratically elected hierarchies.
Shit is awful for you, not for everyone else. If your house is on fire that doesn't mean the whole world is on fire.
You are literally comparing human's social structures that very complex with animals.
Pre determined intelligence if that was true Einstein and other scientists childern should have been great inventors and scientists . You believe in pre determined intelligence and strength if which is true comes from the same angle their ancestors had the privileges which made them intelligent and strong while the commoner didn't have such privileges. Which proves my point that it is oppressive, because you never gave a commoner a chance, which egalitarianism gives. That's why elites and privileged class hate egalitarianism.
And right wing authoritarian republics.
First, Greece wasn't the first civilization they took alot from other civilizations and many Greeks scholars agree with it, such as Herodotus. That said, greek mogged IVC in megalithic structures, but the real question is that did a average person in greek had a better quality of life as compared to IVC.
It works and have worked many times.
Yes, I wonder why no one attacked IVC.
How's this a ad hominem, I stated a fact. Did you call him? Yes. Is he a self hating abused ethnic dog? Yes. Did he tried to defend you? Yes.
And you behaved like every self-righteous SJW ethnicel; keep coping.
I've debunked his coomskin claim, rather than presenting anecdotal evidence, he started seething and coping like every other SFcel.
Actually, Mesopotamia was older than IVC.
"rabid dogs" jfl: You do realize that a difference exists between waging war in a strategic, co-ordinated, and efficient manner as opposed to some tribes massacring each other?
I stated the difference between theory v. in practice, as well as explained why I think we have an agenda behind egalitarianism & why it is being pushed.
He's not just some random grifter, he's an individual who was an economist & studied various schools of thought, work, etc. Not to mention this was in the past, when education was less "woke"
Cope. Billionaires fund leftists & at a much larger scale: Antifa has been funded by George Soros in order to destabilize Western countries even more.
He is pushing the counterculture response, as Egalitarianism is the most commonly pushed for ideal from politicians, the media, educational institutions, etc.
Then why do the various institutions they fund promote it?
Again, I was stating how Egalitarianism is part of their agenda towards the "you will own nothing & will be happy" since Egalitarianism in principle is a lie & form of "controlled opposition" in order to trick the masses into thinking it is achievable.
Ofc it wouldn't outright state it: What I was saying is that in theory it will lead to this.
And so do foids deserve to be treated like this under this system? I also would argue Egalitarianism is anti individual differences, and seeks to erase it.
Such as?
Those terms are very broad & virtually every ideology, religion, and movement espouses them, yet they all have differing methods & ways of interpreting them.
No wonder it collapsed then.
It goes against laws of nature & thus everyone.
Which we are free to do here, and even if we disagree let's at least be thankful we have a site where we can do that.
Based.
Good, democracy has failed & is partially why we are in the current state of things.
Whilst we are more complex than animals, we are still part of nature & stem from it, therefore the law of nature still applies to man.
Just like corporations, PACs, etc. can bribe politicians.
Just like Egalitarianism.
It resisted it simply because it new that the new order of democracy would wish to do away with the Church, that's why. They wished to preserve what they had.
All because they didn't amount to what they achieved doesn't mean they aren't intelligent: Tons of very high-IQ people never invent anything.
Are you really saying that your environment determines everything as opposed to genetics?
The 1% want to use it to provide an illusion that we all are equal and have chances, when we will be nothing more than slaves but in name to them.
Never said they were.
It wasn't a whole lot, it was some information. Same as every other civilization & they also took it & put a unique spin & improvement on it.
Duh: It also mogged in seafaring which I personally believe serves as a good reflection of a peoples advancement.
Example?
You do realize maybe it's due to the fact that their location prevented that? Maybe not so much the fact that they had people around them who were warlike.
It is, because you used it in a way to attack me & discredit my argument. And he is a much better user than you are tbh.
Italy is packed with niggers and Arabs (sand niggers) these days. Wtf happened?
As in the ideal of Corporatism.
Your stance on elective monarchies?
No, it is simply based upon whom may be the best choice pragmatically: And how is basing it around pure succession & dynastically rights a good ideal? That is just pure nepotism.
No, it isn't. Fascism is the counterweight to the corruption of the old order & the subversiveness of Marxism
Collectivism economically has benefits, yet we need to still respect the potential an individual has.
I agree- the land, people, race, and future of these all are.
The Church was pro-monarchy because it was best for humanity. Democracy is decedent as easily observed today.
