You can probably fall in love with a 5 or a 6, men have different tastes also so a 7/10 in your eyes might be 5/10 to me.
Blackpill I feel like I'd rather die a lonely virgin than settle for below 7/10 girlfriend, but there's a reason why
lol at incels on incels.co
then dont complain about females chasing chad since they are only attracted to 7+. Hypocrite.
did u come with that definition on the spot?
The definition of incel = Involuntarily celibate.
If i cant attract the females WHO I AM ATTRACTED TO (iregardless of their or my attractiveness) then I am involuntarily celibate aka. incel
There is nothing in the definition of incel which specifies that you can only be incel if you can't get your looksmatch or below your looksmatch. Everyone has their own standards, and if they cant find a female who meets those standards, they are incel.
Ironically its you who is making up your own definition.
You are actually a retard, KYS
While that is true, the definition of volcel is CHOOSING NOT TO HAVE SEX WITH A WOMAN despite her expressing genuine sexual interest in you.
If you're only attracted to 5+/10 women, and a 4/10 wants to fuck you and be in a relationship with you, you are VOLUNTARILY REFUSING SEX WITH HER so you are by definition a volcel.
Re: what youre attracted to, thats just your standards. Some people's standards are met, others arent. The only consistent thing is the definition of incel and volcel.
I'd happily fuck virtually any girl who had no diseases or infections, even a huge 150kg landwhale (I love BBW and super BBW porn Im happy to admit that lol)
My original post is talking about LONG TERM RELATIONSHIPS, which is something different.
so if chico had really high standards then he would also be considered an incel then, interesting
Volcel=refusing sex from women despite being offered it.
Point to exactly where I said ugly women are attracted to me and want to fuck me
Lol
Nobody on here reads my posts properly lmao
Id happily fuck a 1/10 landwhale if she had no diseases and wasn't putting me in danger of contracting anything
cos I like fat chicks with big bellies and monstrous tits ahahhaa I like a lot of things. Slim girls, athletic girls, curvy, muscular, tall, short, flat chest etc etc i would fuck almost anything, as long as disease free
there is no point using the term "volcel", everyone is a volcel to some degree.
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You're basically a femcel.
i think rejecting marriage with a racematched looksmatched virgin girl makes you a volcel completely though.
I can agree with this.
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Volcel is voluntarily celibate ie voluntarily refusing sex. I dont think anyone would refuse looksmatched sex dude. Marriage is a completely different story though.
It's an interesting idea. Part of me says volcel, but truth is OP you are putting your own internal self esteem utility value above the utility value you'd get from not being khhv, and that's just your indifference curve, so it makes sense.
yea that was just a hypothetical situation, he would probably refuse sex too
volcel is voluntarily refusing sex from a woman who is genuinely sexually interested in you.
I would fuck literally any woman as long as she was disease free and did not inspire literal fear and horror, something like severe deformity etc.
I'd fuck anything from keira knightley anorexic bodytypes to super fat obese women with gigantic boobs, I am not fussed about sex.
Long term relationships is where I draw my original reasoning from, which is something completely different
Volcel is refusing offered sex. This is NOT APPLICABLE to refusing marriage. Maybe there can be a new term for that, I just want to make clear the difference. I'd one night stand just about anything, but for marriage and relationship purposes, as outlined in my original post, I could not psychologically endure being with a sub 7/10 girl. Refer to the OP for more details why, if you've forgotten.
you cant just generalise something like that. It varies from scenario to scenario.
If a 5/10 guy rejects his 5/10 female looksmatch, he is a complete volcel.
But if a 2/10 guy rejects his 2/10 female looksmatch, i wouldnt call him volcel as in that scenario i would understand that he just isnt attracted to a hideous female, and expecting him to be attracted to her just because he happens to look like her (which was out of his control) is ludicrous.
yeah but thats your own standards which you are projecting onto others, you might be attracted to your looksmatch but others may not be, so to call them volcel doesnt make sense.
do you support hypergamy?
i support hypergamy for both sexes or neither. Currently only females are hypergamous (dating up) whilst men are hypogamous (dating down)
If you refuse sex from looksmatch yes youre volcel. BUT you are correct, me refusing sex from deformed -5/10 alien can also be considered volcel, just like you rejecting 4/10. It isn't clear cut. Also might I add, if you refuse long term relationship or marriage from looksmatch I dont think you are volcel.
Volcel is very abstract and arbitrary without much clear definition, no point arguing over the specifics, Im using it loosely to connect concepts, which everyone reading should use it as too. No use using it as an insult, moreso as a connector of ideas.
The whole concept of incel/volcel has to do with celibacy (SEX). It has nothing to do with relationships/marriage dumbfuck, you are just creating your own definitions
can you help me understand how its possible for both parties to be hypergamous?
its really simple, males can date up or down. Likewise, females can date up or down
does it not cancel out if theyre both doing it? i thought hypergamy only works if only one party partakes in it
exactly, if it cancels out then it doesnt exist to begin with. That's the system i support, you get it now?
I'd be with my looksmatch as long as she was skinny and not a landwhale.
Here's what you said
Why would you even associate the concept of "volcel" with the concept of "LTR/marriage." The two are mutually exclusive
so the dating market would just be normal then. im not very intelligent but saying that you support "hypergamy for both men and women" sounds redundant
you asked me the question, so i answered using the key words you used in your question.
yes but hypergamy only works when one party partakes in it, no? if you support a normalized dating market you would just say that instead of saying you support "hypergamy for both parties"
but that would be boring
Low IQ post volcel. I admit I had high standards in middle and high school when I was a bluepilled cuck, but since I took the blackpill in college, I have very low standards now.
yes, but it would be the version that makes sense. what you said doesnt seem like 130+ iq speech tbh.
but thats besides the point, if you support a normalized dating market why would you want to date up? sounds hypocritical to me, tbh
The problem with most incels is that they try to find one rule which applies to everyone, then they use it to form generalizations. But that isn't accurate, because each person is on a different position in the hierarchy for each of the variables: Looks (L), Money (M) and Status (S).
So you cant just say that a guy is volcel for refusing his looksmatch, it really depends on the guy's own level of attractiveness. 5/10 guy refusing his looksmatch? Pretty volcel
2/10 guy refusing his looksmatch because he doesn't want a hideous foid? Pretty understandable.
What you find attractive isn't defined by your own level of attractiveness. Just because someone is born as a subhuman doesnt mean that they will be subconsciously attracted to other subhumans.
YOU CANT BE VOLCEL FOR REJECTING SOMEONE WHO YOU ARENT ATTRACTED TO!
i understand what youre trying to say, but it still seems hypocritical for you to want a normalized dating market, but at the same time date up. oh well, to each their own i guess
So foids can be incel then? That's where this reasoning leads tbh.
what do you suggest then? Force yourself to fuck someone who you're not attracted to, otherwise you're muhh volcel?
i dont think that was what he was getting at. he was just pointing out a hole in your definition of volceldom
I'm saying that we can't have contradictory standards. Some foids think they're incel when they can't get Chad or Chadlite, because they're legitimately not attracted to average men. Should we allow this to continue? I suppose the solution is to either force them to be with their looksmatch, find/create an alternative means of resolving the problem, or simply admit that the problem isn't resolvable. The reality is that I actually agree with you in theory, the fact that I couldn't even normally get hard to an obese foid, much less want to have sex with her, yet I'd still say that I'm incel, well that's evidence that what you said is at least partially true.
I want my looksmatch, yet my looksmatch doesn't want me. Lets say my looksmatched foid is only attracted to Chad, but can't get him. Are we both incel? Whatever the case, the cucktears bluepiller 'solution' of telling me to simply "accept it" is neither possible for me, nor is it reasonable. Tbh I just hate my face, hate my destroyed life, and wish I could've been born different.
I wonder if IT posted this lol
A lot of our fathers made that mistake. Settling for subhuman untermensch foids who should have been forcefully sterilized. Now we exist with those disgusting, shameful genetics, cursed to live a life of humiliation, isolation, and despair until they day we die or kill ourselves. I will never forgive my mother for not aborting me, I will never forgive my father for not killing me as a baby. I'd rather die alone than create offspring that are worse than I am with a subhuman foid. Nobody deserve to be born the way I was.
Volcel and retarded as fuck. If a looksmatch (or even potentially lower) was willing to love me and be loyal, and had a heart of gold, then of course i'd say yes. Low iq if you would actually choose to stay a forever alone virgin. LMAO
lowIQcel and fucking moroncel as fuck
You should be ashamed to be such a low-IQ moron Brocel.
You are a mammal ok? So it is normal (in the sense of "natural") that you are an incel. Among mammals, only the alpha male gets to fuck. All others are incels. Are you saying that 99% of male mammals are not "true, masculine" males. That's idiotic.
You are confusing "male" and "alpha male". Don't. If you are a mammal and live 100% according to your instincts, it is very likely that you will be an incel because your chances to be the alpha are just a few percent at best (depending on the size of your group of mammals) That is basic black pill 101.
Now, in the past, humans had developed cultural techniques to allow nearly all men to have sex. This techniques were called in general "civilization" and in particular "marriage". These are NOT NATURAL. On the contrary, they go AGAINST NATURE by curbing our normal instincts. In nearly all civilizations marriage was made possible for the vast majority of males. That is why, today, it is still considered "abnormal" to be an incel. This is indeed "abnormal" in comparison to the standard of our past civilization. But it is not abnormal if we consider only our genetic instincts. What happened is that our civilisation has regressed (degenerated) so much that we are back to our animalistic instincts, both for males and for foids. The Chad/Stacy situation is just normal animal behavior.
So it is absolutely moronic to say that "a true, masculine man" should have girls drooling all over him.
In fact, for a normal man, there are only 2 options:
Option 1: live in a primitive or degenerate society where mammal instincts are allowed free rein. In that case, you will most likely be an incel because your chance at being the alpha is small. Yet, you are still a perfectly normal "masculine" man
Option 2: You live in a civilization that restricts sexual freedom and you are allowed a wife according to some set of customs. In that case, you dominate your wife and as a result she has some desire for you because the domination you have over her simulates the position she would be in with an alpha and therefore triggers her sexual instincts to a certain extent. It does not mean you fuck her as a chad would but at least you are having sex.
Outside of these 2 options there are only fantasies and fairy tales. The false hopes that this kind of wishful thinking generates are the reason why people rope. You rope when your false hopes are disappointed.
Don't give yourself false hopes and, above all, don't give OTHERS false hope. Otherwise, their roping will be on your conscience.
No you are not. Dreams are why people rope, when they are (inevitably) disappointed
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In a way you’re in a great position - you can have that. Like if you would truly rather be lonely than with an average or below average girl, it’s an option.
Dude, the irony
I'd rate myself a 5 tbh, so I'm probably more of a 4, and I would gladly fuck a 3, but I'd never "settle down" with any woman period, it has nothing to do with looks, it has to do with I no longer trust women, and I'd never gamble my financial well being and quality of life on a single person much more a woman
Excuse me, but this kind of thinking belongs exclusively to the "femcels" who we know how popular are among us. Seriously what you say is pretty low IQ
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