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I dont think we should be quick to label mass shooters as "incels" just because they were below average looking

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99% of shooters are ugly looking social rejects. there's nothing unique about it. it's not like they joined this forum or self-identified as incels or actually recognized women as the problem. plus this just fuels the narrative that "inkwells are the biggest threat to soyciety :soy::foidSoy:" when usually these shooters barely had anything to do with the ideology
 
I agree, and this is a good point

Even if they were Incel-tier in looks & were confirmed to be single+a virgin, if they didn't explicitly state they were an Incel or make any indications they were pissed off out hypergamy they can't be called such.

Not to say they aren't based, Tarrant for example wasn't Incel and never mentioned foids or hypergamy, but he was still a based guy. Ofc,he isn't an "incel hero" but you get the idea.
 
plus this just fuels the narrative that "inkwells are the biggest threat to soyciety :soy::foidSoy:" when usually these shooters barely had anything to do with the ideology
I don't think that's true
it shows that there is clearly something wrong with society and needs to be addressed
 
I don't think that's true
it shows that there is clearly something wrong with society and needs to be addressed
Yeah but even if they were "Incel" they still might not have been blackpilled or see foids as an issue
 
downdoot, you're only saying this because you feel mogged by the newest guy. I feel heavily mogged by him too but i'm not gonna invalidate his inceldom because of it :feelswhat:

I agree, and this is a good point

Even if they were Incel-tier in looks & were confirmed to be single+a virgin, if they didn't explicitly state they were an Incel or make any indications they were pissed off out hypergamy they can't be called such.

Not to say they aren't based, Tarrant for example wasn't Incel and never mentioned foids or hypergamy, but he was still a based guy. Ofc,he isn't an "incel hero" but you get the idea.
then i guess that should discount every truecel who doesn't know about incel shit or hasn't participated in this site or other incel spaces but still is blackpilled and misanthrope from all the trauma and exclusion they've had in life. This swede mf even reminded me of a truecel I knew in middle school.

If anything he's one of the few incel accurate shooters I've seen these past few years and no that blackcell mf doesnt count because he was NT as shit.
 
yeah this sweden shooting is likely just another generic chimpout. like i said yesterday, mass shootings are a big forced meme.
 
99% of shooters are ugly looking social rejects.

Is this true?

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I'll say it now and I'll say it once, all it takes for someone to be incel is to be a misanthrope, traumatized by society/mentally broken and unattractive
 
downdoot, you're only saying this because you feel mogged by the newest guy. I feel heavily mogged by him too but i'm not gonna invalidate his inceldom because of it :feelswhat:
no there was nothing personal behind my statement. like I said he may be a social reject and below average but he could be a redditor that was bluepilled for all we know. my point is you dont know if they were actually one of us or not and we shouldn't immediately claim them as our own
then i guess that should discount every truecel who doesn't know about incel shit or hasn't participated in this site or other incel spaces but still is blackpilled and misanthrope from all the trauma and exclusion they've had in life. This swede mf even reminded me of a truecel I knew in middle school.
usually these shooters aren't blackpilled and dont gaf about incels in general. patrick crusisus is literally the epitome of a subhuman male but his cause was not related to us at all so we shouldn't claim people like him
If anything he's one of the few incel accurate shooters I've seen these past few years and no that blackcell mf doesnt count because he was NT as shit.
not much info has come out about him yet besides his looks
 
idk who the last guy is but they were all social rejects bullied and excluded by their local community
but this guy was also a loner, also apparently he never had a gf. He also had no friends, had bad grades, no job and had mental issues. How much proof do we need that he was likely a bullied social reject too :feelsseriously:
 
I'll say it now and I'll say it once, all it takes for someone to be incel is to be a misanthrope, traumatized by society/mentally broken and unattractive
all it takes is to be ugly, dont misuse the term like those it cucks do

incel = involuntary celibate

you can be incel and a simp and or mentally not broken and happy
 
but this guy was also a loner, also apparently he never had a gf. He also had no friends, had bad grades, no job and had mental issues. How much proof do we need that he was likely a bullied social reject too :feelsseriously:
and my point is all of those people in those pictures (except for ER) didn't subscribe to incel ideology so they're technically not one of us
 
all it takes is to be ugly, dont misuse the term like those it cucks do

incel = involuntary celibate

you can be incel and a simp and or mentally not broken and happy
Oh well that's true, but I don't wanna count bluepilled incels because I don't want to think about them

So let's pretend they don't count.

You might as well say some of these itcucks who think they're asexual are incel too
 
>tfw you see too many people lump Nicholas Cruz as a hERo.
 
Oh well that's true, but I don't wanna count bluepilled incels because I don't want to think about them
lol makes sense, but i think its better globally if they are also viewed as incels, otherwise people will just continue to misuse to word incel

So let's pretend they don't count.

You might as well say some of these itcucks who think they're asexual are incel too
they are but they just deny it
 
and my point is all of those people in those pictures (except for ER) didn't subscribe to incel ideology so they're technically not one of us
Well, that's true. I guess I understand but, even then I still relate to this guy a bit more than ER rn. Only way I wouldn't is if he gets exposed for being bluepilled.
 
idk who the last guy is but they were all social rejects bullied and excluded by their local community

You specifically said that 99% of them were ugly looking, your words were "ugly looking social rejects" which seemingly implies the basis of their social dejection was primarily their looks. My argument is an average, decent-looking or even good-looking guy can face social dejection, in many cases more than many below-average and ugly men. It would be one thing if you wrote "the vast majority" but you wrote "99%" which is another way of saying: "almost everyone, and the exceptions are such a negligible minority it's as if the same thing is conveyed as if I had written everyone."

Without a doubt, looks are the main reason for social dejection in men. (women have it so easy that even average and below average women can get a man any time they want anywhere, women will just be single, act otherwise and complain because of their own self-imposed pickiness/standards) Looks are the most important thing in a sense, although I'd argue a man that's not good-looking with a lot of money is better off than a good-looking guy with no money. So the primary importance of looks in social acceptance (normies love to say men being socially skilled/charismatic is the most important thing, but this is just self-defeating because obviously men born attractive will be socialized optimally in their years of development compared to ugly men, so this entire talking-point is bullshit — if an awkward ugly man suddenly became hot one day he'd learn "social skills" quickly due to the sudden acceptance, and because people aren't complicated) is not disputed, nor am I disputing the correlation between mass shooters and them often being unattractive, such as Seung-hui Cho. But consider a case like George Sodini, who was average in looks. I think the main impetus for his shooting was mental illness and not social dejection, which undoubtedly was nevertheless a factor.

My point is that saying that almost all mass shooters are ugly men socially dejected for this reason with a negligible minority of exceptions is reductive and misleading. It's at once correct to emphasize the profound importance of looks (facial attractiveness + height; the genetic lottery) but one must do so without falling into the mistake of being reductive concerning this so as not to be nuanced regarding the importance of social dejection occurring for factors not purely relating to looks.

The last guy was Omar Mateen. He did the mass shooting in the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, Florida in 2016, killing 49. It was at the time the deadliest mass-shooting in U.S. history, now it is the second as it was surpassed by the Las Vegas shooting in 2017. I'll forthrightly admit Omar Mateen was a repressed homosexual and this was clearly the motive for the shooting. (it was a gay nightclub.) It wasn't a typical case of someone socially dejected, not for their looks or any other reason. He couldn't accept his own homosexuality and became suicidal but not before taking it out on random people. This is despite engaging in homosexual relationships before doing the shooting.
 
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You specifically said that 99% of them were ugly looking, your words were "ugly looking social rejects" which seemingly implies the basis of their social dejection was primarily their looks. My argument is an average, decent-looking or even good-looking guy can face social dejection, in many cases more than many below-average and ugly men. It would be one thing if you wrote "the vast majority" but you wrote "99%" which is another way of saying: "almost everyone, and the exceptions are such a negligible minority it's as if the same thing is conveyed as if I had written everyone."

Without a doubt, looks are the main reason for social dejection in men. (women have it so easy that even average and below average women can get a man any time they want anywhere, women will just be single, act otherwise and complain because of their own self-imposed pickiness/standards) Looks are the most important thing in a sense, although I'd argue a man that's not good-looking with a lot of money is better off than a good-looking guy with no money. So the primary importance of looks in social acceptance (normies love to say men being socially skilled/charismatic is the most important thing, but this is just self-defeating because obviously men born attractive will be socialized optimally in their years of development compared to ugly men, so this entire talking-point is bullshit — if an awkward ugly man suddenly became hot one day he'd learn "social skills" quickly due to the sudden acceptance, and because people aren't complicated) is not disputed, nor am I disputing the correlation between mass shooters and them often being unattractive, such as Seung-hui Cho. But consider a case like George Sodini, who was average in looks. I think the main impetus for his shooting was mental illness and not social dejection, which undoubtedly was nevertheless a factor.

My point is that saying that almost all mass shooters are ugly men socially dejected for this reason with a negligible minority of exceptions is reductive and misleading. It's at once correct to emphasize the profound importance of looks (facial attractiveness + height; the genetic lottery) but one must do so without falling into the mistake of being reductive concerning this so as not to be nuanced regarding the importance of social dejection occurring for factors not purely relating to looks.

The last guy was Omar Mateen. He did the mass shooting in the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, Florida in 2016, killing 49. It was at the time the deadliest mass-shooting in U.S. history, now it is the second as it was surpassed by the Las Vegas shooting in 2017. I'll forthrightly admit Omar Mateen was a repressed homosexual and this was clearly the motive for the shooting. (it was a gay nightclub.) It wasn't a typical case of someone socially dejected, not for their looks or any other reason. He couldn't accept his own homosexuality and became suicidal but not before taking it out on random people. This is despite engaging in homosexual relationships before doing the shooting.
yeah I understand that reality is more complex and looks arent always the reason to become a social reject. I would say most of the normal-looking mass shooters were just non-NT, which is a make or break trait to have that makes all of your other traits useless
 
yeah I understand that reality is more complex and looks arent always the reason to become a social reject. I would say most of the normal-looking mass shooters were just non-NT, which is a make or break trait to have that makes all of your other traits useless

This topic needs a lot more elucidation, which I can provide, but I don't have much time to go in more detail about it today. The entire framing of "neurotypical," "non-neurotypical" needs to be further explained. The fact that normies latch onto "The Myth of Normal" by Gabor Mate doesn't mean there isn't real insight in Mate's work, but it all needs to be basically taken with a grain of salt because obviously at best they just want to superficially address something that sounds true for their own sense of feeling good about themselves, and proceed to be part of the problem and defend everything about society that makes it so abysmal and leads to these things continuing to happen.

I addressed looks but we have to also question social dejection itself. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were not especially socially dejected. We must be nuanced about this, which is not to say that we can't look at general broad trends and draw conclusions from them, but we also have to consider different circumstances in individual cases, especially when we compare them to each other.

The correlation between looks and social success is obvious, but it's also important to remember that guys (I won't even get into female mass-shooters here but this deserves investigation as well) can be both decent-looking and not very socially dejected and still snap and do a mass-shooting. As I said, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are good examples of this.

So a guy can be unattractive in looks but still have enough social acceptance he wouldn't be pushed to do a mass-shooting when he otherwise might, and a guy can be average or even good-looking but experience enough social dejection they are pushed to a mass-shooting, (superfically, Elliot Rodger is a perfect example of this, but I will go on to argue he was just severely mentally ill, not just "non neurotypical," due to a fundamental kind of disorder, not the kind of thing that could ever be addressed with therapy/psychiatry) and a guy could be not especially ugly or especially socially dejected and still go on a mass-shooting.

Interestingly, Elliot Rodger was actually way more socially dejected than Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. We know from what they wrote that they had friends throughout their lives, and while having experienced some bullying, were not in particularly bad social standing at their school. But in the case of Elliot Rodger, he only had one real friend named James that spontaneously refused to keep talking to him just because he honestly shared his grievances with being single. (his memoir clearly explains this completely honestly) While this clearly was a turning-point down the descent to his decision to do his massacre Elliot Rodger really had sheer narcissism to the point this personality disorder culminated in full-blown psychopathy and this was clearly the reason he did the shooting, so it isn't an especially good point of comparison. (retarded normies say: "it is surely a concerning reminder about how hateful and misogynist the seemingly average male can be..." counterproductively not addressing how rare Elliot Rodgers of the world are, and that much of the most successful people have the same traits as him and use their wealth/power/influence to cause far more destruction including mass causalities in wars, they're just successful) Elliot Rodger is a peak example of a standardcel and I'd also certainly call him a mentalcel. Not being able to get blond cheerleaders was a blow to his ego he couldn't overlook, it caused him to be suicidal, but not without taking others down with him. Not once in his memoir does he so much as consider settling for an Asian girl, on forums he attacked fellow Asians for being "fully Asian" and gloated over his "British aristocratic heritage," bemoaning he wasn't completely white.

I didn't even acknowledge a mass-shooting is basically just shitty/selfish form of suicide. "I want to kill myself, so I might as well take others down with me." In this sense it's not that deep. Funny how seldom this is acknowledged. Obviously because normies use mass-shootings to justify defending the society that leads to them. It's all normies know how to do.
 
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I agree, and this is a good point

Even if they were Incel-tier in looks & were confirmed to be single+a virgin, if they didn't explicitly state they were an Incel or make any indications they were pissed off out hypergamy they can't be called such.

Not to say they aren't based, Tarrant for example wasn't Incel and never mentioned foids or hypergamy, but he was still a based guy. Ofc,he isn't an "incel hero" but you get the idea.
Good point. Incel saints are those that specifically did what they did because of incel related issues. Most of these ERs are typically related to politics/other social issues outside of Inceldom. ER was a perfect example previously because his motives ARE related to Inceldom. Unlike the others.
 
This topic needs a lot more elucidation, which I can provide, but I don't have much time to go in more detail about it today. The entire framing of "neurotypical," "non-neurotypical" needs to be further explained. The fact that normies latch onto "The Myth of Normal" by Gabor Mate doesn't mean there isn't real insight in Mate's work, but it all needs to be basically taken with a grain of salt because obviously at best they just want to superficially address something that sounds true for their own sense of feeling good about themselves, and proceed to be part of the problem and defend everything about society that makes it so abysmal and leads to these things continuing to happen.

I addressed looks but we have to also question social dejection itself. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were not especially socially dejected. We must be nuanced about this, which is not to say that we can't look at general broad trends and draw conclusions from them, but we also have to consider different circumstances in individual cases, especially when we compare them to each other.

The correlation between looks and social success is obvious, but it's also important to remember that guys (I won't even get into female mass-shooters here but this deserves investigation as well) can be both decent-looking and not very socially dejected and still snap and do a mass-shooting. As I said, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are good examples of this.

So a guy can be unattractive in looks but still have enough social acceptance he wouldn't be pushed to do a mass-shooting when he otherwise might, and a guy can be average or even good-looking but experience enough social dejection they are pushed to a mass-shooting, (superfically, Elliot Rodger is a perfect example of this, but I will go on to argue he was just severely mentally ill, due to a fundamental personality disorder, not the kind of thing that could ever be addressed with therapy/psychiatry) and a guy could be not especially ugly or especially socially dejected and still go on a mass-shooting.

These are of course just two examples. I'd argue Elliot Rodger was actually way more socially dejected, he only had one real friend that spontaneously refused to keep talking to him just because he honestly shared his grievances with being single. But in the case of Elliot Rodger, he obviously had sheer narcissism to the point this personality disorder culminated in full-blown psychopathy and this was clearly the reason he did the shooting, so it isn't an especially good point of comparison. (retarded normies say: "it is surely a concerning reminder about how hateful and misogynist the seemingly average male can be..." counterproductively not addressing how rare Elliot Rodgers of the world are, and that much of the most successful people have the same traits as him and use their wealth/power/influence to cause far more destruction including mass causalities in wars, they're just successful)

I didn't even acknowledge a mass-shooting is basically just shitty/selfish form of suicide. "I want to kill myself, so I might as well take others down with me." In this sense it's not that deep. Funny how seldom this is acknowledged. Obviously because normies use mass-shootings to justify defending the society that leads to them. It's all normies know how to do.
high iq take brocel. speaking of which the largest mass shooter in US history was stephen paddock, who was a richfag boomer that had a gf and still snapped. I would also argue that people like ER were not limited by just their looks (infact he was average looking) but also non-NTness
 
high iq take brocel. speaking of which the largest mass shooter in US history was stephen paddock, who was a richfag boomer that had a gf and still snapped. I would also argue that people like ER were not limited by just their looks (infact he was average looking) but also non-NTness

I agree that Elliot Rodger was not neurotypical but we have to be careful when in comes to the correlation between his non-neurotypicality being the reason for his social dejection and the impetus for him going on the mass-shooting. Actually it's really not complicated. It's at once true that the same non-neurotypicality that made him awkward was the one that led to the shooting. But I specifically mean the aforementioned severe disorder: (basically, a certain narcissism, self-absorption and elitism that was also at the root of his standardcel-ness) I do not mean that the non-neurotypicality led to awkwardness, led to dejection, led to desperation hence he did the shooting. It would be a terrible mistake to think that, and I can prove this wrong anyway.

There's a tendency for some here (way exaggerated by normies) to paint Elliot Rodger in a sympathetic light, that he was non-neurotypical hence faced rejection hence snapped and went on the massacre. But a closer examination makes looking at him sympathetically completely fall apart.

Half the people he killed were his two roommates and friend, who he despised because he saw himself in them, as they were awkward unattractive nerdy Asian guys. Then the other three people he killed were just random pedestrians he shot on his shooting spree. Before doing this he gloated that others deserved to be dragged down with him and he'd kill himself after anyway. We know that he was a standardcel because his ego couldn't handle the blow of not getting the most attractive blonde girls, to the point he played the lottery and fantasized about the resultant wealth being enough to easily attain this, when he lost the lottery he decided to do the shooting.
 

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