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Theory Hypergamy probably did not exist during caveman times, otherwise we wouldn't have survived.

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Sounds silly but hear me out.

Living in the wild with the most minimal tools is HARD FUCKING WORK.

A tribe's success was heavily dependent on every individual in the population. Even if you couldn't hunt, there needed to be people involved in flint-knapping, people involved in gathering sticks, leaves, and constructing tools and shelters. You needed someone to skin the hides, tan them and make them into clothing. Many of these tasks required men, and you needed the labour of everyone in your tribe in order to survive.

Therefore, your interests were directly tied to the interests of others in your tribe. It lead to a situation in which men had to treat each other equally. Even the most "Alpha" of males in a tribe needed to ensure that the other males felt a sense of belonging and attachment to the tribe, and if he tried to acquire more goods than other men he could easily be banished or killed. So it was important that every man had his material (including sexual) needs met so that the tribe can be as productive and wealthy as possible to weather anything that nature had to throw at it.

Caveman societies that allowed a small number of men to impregnate and monopolize most of the women just could not survive. The men would just drop out of that tribe or solve it through violence, which would inevitably ruin the tribe's productivity and make it extinct.

Hypergamy only started to happen with the onset of agriculture, where some men were able to acquire far more resources than other men and could hire men to capture and enslave other men to keep them in line. From there, hypergamy was able to flourish. It led to a situation where only one man reproduced for every seventeen women, until religion would later be invented to enforce monogamy.

Basically, the agricultural revolution and its consequences were a disaster for the human race.
 
afaik this was actually the opposite of how things went. like 1 male reproduced for every 21 females. notice how most relationships that aren't with Chad in 2020 involve shit like social circles or economics? those didn't exist back then. so it was just pure concentrated hypergamy
 
afaik this was actually the opposite of how things went. like 1 male reproduced for every 21 females. notice how most relationships that aren't with Chad in 2020 involve shit like social circles or economics? those didn't exist back then. so it was just pure concentrated hypergamy

That only happened after the onset of agriculture and before the establishment of organized religion. Look up the study.

 
afaik this was actually the opposite of how things went. like 1 male reproduced for every 21 females. notice how most relationships that aren't with Chad in 2020 involve shit like social circles or economics? those didn't exist back then. so it was just pure concentrated hypergamy
There's a difference between natural selection and sexual selection.

Sexual selection still existed though and that's why we have larger penises than gorillas (just lol at dickpill deniers).
 
Sexual selection still existed though and that's why we have larger penises than gorillas (just lol at dickpill deniers).
@ThoughtfulCel it's over
 
There's a difference between natural selection and sexual selection.

Sexual selection still existed though and that's why we have larger penises than gorillas (just lol at dickpill deniers).

In prehistoric times, the sexual selection of women was restrained by the natural selection pressures Nature placed on the tribe.
 
In prehistoric times, the sexual selection of women was restrained by the natural selection pressures Nature placed on the tribe.
No doubt yeah. You need freedom to sexually select and they didn't have it (at least not as much as today).

But that doesn't mean we would've reproduced or fared much better really. If you're a tall, athletic, and wide-framed ogre maybe.
 
Cavecels would be retarded if they didnt have sex, they could easily rapemaxx in their primitive ooga booga societies with like no repercussion
 
No doubt yeah. You need freedom to sexually select and they didn't have it (at least not as much as today).

But that doesn't mean we would've reproduced or fared much better really. If you're a tall, athletic, and wide-framed ogre maybe.

Nah I disagree. The tribe literally required any sort of labour you could do, and in most hunter-gatherer societies pride is extremely shunned because they understand how delicate the social balance is and what it means for the success of the tribe:


Even if all you did was collect sticks that the tribe needed for spears you have a direct value, and the tribe's existence literally depends on that labour. Without you in the chain of production, there might be no tools to hunt with, or no sticks to repair shelters or make fires.

This is much different to the Modern-day, where there is no real threat of dying from starvation and you ultimately don't depend on just a small group of people to get things done. Everyone's labour is alienated from the products they produce and people only get their needs met through market exchange. So there's no real need to make sure that incels have their problems sorted out, as they are excess population.
 
Nah I disagree. The tribe literally required any sort of labour you could do, and in most hunter-gatherer societies pride is extremely shunned because they understand how delicate the social balance is and what it means for the success of the tribe:


Even if all you did was collect sticks that the tribe needed for spears you have a direct value, and the tribe's existence literally depends on that labour. Without you in the chain of production, there might be no tools to hunt with, or no sticks to repair shelters or make fires.

This is much different to the Modern-day, where there is no real threat of dying from starvation and you ultimately don't depend on just a small group of people to get things done. Everyone's labour is alienated from the products they produce and people only get their needs met through market exchange. So there's no real need to make sure that incels have their problems sorted out, as they are excess population.
It seems like there is some evidence of hunter-gatherer societies being monogamous, but there's contrary DNA evidence as well so it's a mixed-bag I guess.

Really only the top of the top in almost all primates reproduce and I can't imagine it's much different for just humans. I really can't imagine it being easier.

I don't know it could be the case, but I doubt it.
 
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