Serious HUMANE, SUSTAINABLE, TRICKLE DOWN EUGENICS FOR LONG TERM GENETIC SURVIVAL

[biomarxist]

Hear me out lads. I think eugenics can be implemented by not having to witness genetic death that is to say we can witness the continuous improvement of the genepool even by allowing all people to breed in a monogamous fashion with some caveats.
1.children can only be brought onto this world by embryo selection where traits like health, intelligence, the big 5 personality traits, beauty are selected for.
2.society is to be divided into groups on the basis of their overall genetic score- something determined by iq, health, beauty, character etc.,with traits like health & iq having higher weightage compared to say beauty. In this society, men at the 99th-100th percentile will get to have children with a woman of the same percentile group(the percentile score would be determined separately for the genders), in a monogamous fashion.Same would be true with the lower percentile groups . In this system, no incel or femcel shall be left behind. But here's the kicker. Couples at the the top percentile groups(say b/w 90-100 ) should have a lot more children than the ones at the lower groups.

3. In this hypothetical world where genetic survival for incel tier men is guaranteed, these men must pay back the government and the society(and by extension the genepool) by allowing his wife to carry one child of a man belonging to the group just above him (via IVF only) after the wife gives the incel husband a child or two of his blood first. In this fashion good genes concentrated at the top will make it's way to the bottom. In the past, the increase of good genes in the genepool was only possible due to massive pandemics, wars, etc. where the rich aristocrats literally outbred(& cucked) men at the bottom. In this system, every man will be blessed with children of his blood and would also have a future to look forward to. Moreover, his children would get to reproduce in Al genepool that's a tad bit better than the previous generation. The incel man's genes and every other person's genes for that matter will have a higher odds of survival as their genes are co-opted with that of the elites.
4.hard working incel tier men can be provided with incentives like Stacey eggs & surrogate mother(only in cases where the wife of the incel's husband cannot rear a child due to idk hormonal issues) or be provided with opportunity to have more children in their already existing monogamous relationship.

This is just a crude outline. We can discuss the specifics as to how such a system can be implemented using simulations that helps us make sense of gene flow & inheritance in a genepool.
Computational biologists, population stooodies specialists or other stemcels or soycial scicels who can contribute to this thread are most welcome.

 

[wereq]

Eugenics facilitated by genomics and bioinformatics has become essential. We need this now because our populations have become large but unfit, ugly, and dysgenic. We need to usher in a new era of greatness through biological transhumanism facilitated by genetic engineering and artificial wombs.

 

[wereq]

We can discuss the specifics as to how such a system can be implemented using simulations that helps us make sense of gene flow & inheritance in a genepool.

Remove all barriers that are holding back genomics R&D ASAP!

 

[biomarxist]

Eugenics facilitated by genomics and bioinformatics has become essential. We need this now because our populations have become large but unfit, ugly, and dysgenic. We need to usher in a new era of greatness through biological transhumanism facilitated by genetic engineering and artificial wombs.

Genetic engineering for humans is a pipe dream for now. The only realistic solution is making already existent embryo selection tech cheap kind of like how microprocessors became mainstream

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

We need dysgenics, only subhuman incels should reproduce.

 

[wereq]

Genetic engineering for humans is a pipe dream for now.

Yeah. This technology needs another 500 to 1000 years of uninterrupted development.

 

[wereq]

We need dysgenics

Already have that.

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

Already have that.

Cope incels don't reproduce, we need incel reproductive rights.

 

[Ahnfeltia]

Even if this one day becomes technologically feasible, I can't foresee a preponderance of people ever wanting this.

 

[biomarxist]

Even if this one day becomes technologically feasible, I can't foresee a preponderance of people ever wanting this.

The men at the top & the majority of women obviously wouldn't want it as they greatly benefit from the current system, but I think incels or men desperate to atleast have one child of their own blood certainly would. I think the genepool created by such a system would be more resilient to variety of obstacles that nature can throw against it such as disease.

 

[adharmi]

We need dysgenics, only subhuman incels should reproduce.

curries are the result of dysgenics, do you want more humans like them to exist?

 

[Ahnfeltia]

but I think incels or men desperate to atleast have one child of their own blood certainly would.

I'm not that desperate to have a child and I don't think I'm alone in that regard. Still, even if were to count all incels to this category, there's no benefit in this system for women at all, so my point that no majority would ever be in favor of this still stands.

I think the genepool created by such a system would be more resilient to variety of obstacles that nature can throw against it such as disease.

Perhaps, but I also see plenty of downsides. First, if the child of an "incel" and a Stacy was to stay with the incel, then they'll grow up without their biological mother. And what's the best sustenance for newborns? Their biological mother's milk. Every mother lactates a slightly different formula to supplement her child's needs. So the need to scientifically match our biologies in that regard has to added to the list of requisite breakthroughs as well. And then there are the psychological effects of being separated from one's biological mother. Quite the Pandora's box if you ask me.

Secondly, imagine the number of disputes regarding what constitutes genetic quality. E.g., what exactly is IQ? Are certain personality traits genetically superior? And these are just pointing out practical issues. You might imagine most people would find moral faults in your proposal as well (such as, e.g., the proposed rôle of women, restricted access to breeding etc.).

 

[biomarxist]

there's no benefit in this system for women at all, so my point that no majority would ever be in favor of this still stands.

Well they may not benefit to the degree they're benefitting today, but they do still benefit from the fact that women will always get to have a child with a man above her in terms of genetic quality. For men at the top, they do feel superior and important that they're contributing to the good of the genepool, but in a less transparent and slow, boring way.

Every mother lactates a slightly different formula to supplement her child's needs. So the need to scientifically match our biologies in that regard has to added to the list of requisite breakthroughs as well.

Didn't know that could be a problem. Haven't humans always had wet nurses to feed babies? I was worried about other things like keeping track of gene flow so as to make sure inbreeding doesn't happen or some other sort of genetic incompatibility.

Secondly, imagine the number of disputes regarding what constitutes genetic quality. E.g., what exactly is IQ? Are certain personality traits genetically superior? And these are just pointing out practical issues.

Yes, thats an obvious issue that needs to be explored. If u were to ask to me as to what constitutes superior traits, I would say anything and everything that increases the odds of genetic survival in the short & long term in such a way that we all will get to live long enough(in a genetic sense) till we discover why and how existence, in all its forms & essence, exists; so that our consciousness (if it survives in the form of genetic memories) can realise the meaning of it all. I believe this is the end goal of sentient life. I don't know if u can convince the layman or the genius that this is the ultimate point of life & existence itself, and that one must serve this goal no matter what .

 

[Ahnfeltia]

Well they may not benefit to the degree they're benefitting today, but they do still benefit from the fact that women will always get to have a child with a man above her in terms of genetic quality. For men at the top, they do feel superior and important that they're contributing to the good of the genepool, but in a less transparent and slow, boring way.

From your write-up I got the idea that women get to breed with men of comparably genetic quality (i.e., men in the same percentile). Did I deduce wrongly?

Haven't humans always had wet nurses to feed babies?

Yes, but we also used to do bloodletting and lobotomies.

Yes, thats an obvious issue that needs to be explored. If u were to ask to me as to what constitutes superior traits, I would say anything and everything that increases the odds of genetic survival in the short & long term in such a way that we all will get to live long enough(in a genetic sense) till we discover why and how existence, in all its forms & essence, exists; so that our consciousness (if it survives in the form of genetic memories) can realise the meaning of it all. I believe this is the end goal of sentient life. I don't know if u can convince the layman or the genius that this is the ultimate point of life & existence itself, and that one must serve this goal no matter what .

I disagree with the goal here, but that's a separate talking point. More importantly, aren't some of your examples running counter to your rule of thumb? Specifically, IQ. I don't think being a genius is not a net plus as far as longevity is concerned. In many fields, genii go unappreciated in their lifetime (e.g., art and philosophy) and surely you're familiar with the adage that there's a fine line between genius and insanity.

PS Regarding the big 5 personality traits, which of the extrema would you pick as desirable? E.g., is extraversion or introversion the desirable one? Ditto for the other four categories.

 

[biomarxist]

From your write-up I got the idea that women get to breed with men of comparably genetic quality (i.e., men in the same percentile).

Yes, but they also get to have atleast one child with a man belonging to the higher percentile group.

PS Regarding the big 5 personality traits, which of the extrema would you pick as desirable? E.g., is extraversion or introversion the desirable one? Ditto for the other four categories.

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Traits that are balanced amthat have a high likelihood of yielding altruistic, kind, brave, exploratory traits- traits often associated with the classical hero archetype.

 

[Ahnfeltia]

Traits that are balanced amthat have a high likelihood of yielding altruistic, kind, brave, exploratory traits- traits often associated with the classical hero archetype.

Don't go too far on the hero archetype tho. Heroic types need a villain and irl that's often the system.

 

[Mentally lost cel]

Remove all barriers that are holding back genomics R&D ASAP!