How tradcucks only help to support the feminist Western establishment

[Teutonic Knight]

In theory, being a traditionalist should be a good thing but in practice -under the current social circumstances- it's not. I'm going to analyze why in this post.

The only legitimate traditionalist position in the modern West should be "I'm against the West and everything it stands for," period.

However the traditionalists don't say that. They support the West in one way or another and would like to somehow establish traditional values inside the rotten Western "civilization" which only helps to strengthen the Euro-Atlantic establishment and turns them into an obedient servant for the USA, EU and Israel even if they don't want to admit it.

By promoting these traditionalist values that they talk about, they just help to support the rulling leftist-liberal Western ideology that is in power. The rightwingers were always nothing more than protectors of the regime, while the left sets its trends.

There is a wrong narrative which portrays the West as being totally run with SJW-types. Tradcucks and right wingers have their influence too, it's not that big but it's just big enough that they make things even worse by presenting themselves as some sort of false alternative.

Here are some examples.

1) Traditionalists support traditional family, family values, you need to have a lot of children etc. Great but who benefits from this in the West right now? The regime and the feminists - more people to fight wars for NATO in the Middle East, more footsoldiers for the West to sustain the regime, more men indoctrinated by the school system and media to wageslave, more women to become cumdumpsters for Chad. Saving the birth rate problem just so that degeneracy can live for another day.

The end result of traditionalists promoting family values is that the modern feminist women get their society sustained while men keep wageslaving to support their families.

Also, who are men going to marry? Where are the women suitable for marriage? By pressuring the men to marry, tradcucks encourage men to get cucked by used up roasties who they end up marrying, all in the name of "saving the West" by marrying and having children by any means. The best thing for men right now would be complete abandonment of this farce called "marriage" in 2019, yet tradcucks don't want to hear it. They're the ones keeping it alive, basically.

Another thing. JFL at tradcucks who cope that they will raise children to be traditionalists. You don't raise children in the West - the school, the pop culture and the media does. You are just here to pay for the new generation of NPC Westerners.

Even bigger joke are the tradcucks who think that having a lot of children is actually some sort of "rebelion" against the degeneracy. No it's not, Ursula von der Leyen has 7 children, is she "rebeling" against the system too? Or that British politician Rees-Mogg (moggs me) who made six kids.

2) Traditionalists support traditional gender roles. Sounds fine but who benefits from promoting that in the current West? The feminist regime does. Women already live on tutorial mode yet these tradcucks want you men be some sort of traditionalist gentleman and help women even further? They expect you to "man up" and be a provider, they expect you to "protect" women from migrants, invaders, violent men etc. when women already have police state that the feminists helped to create. They don't want women working yet in this system women don't even have to because of welfare and tutorial mode life in general. They just encourage that attitude further.

In a society which already has equality of sexes in its laws and actually gives special privileges to women, only a fool or a feminist would expect from men to also fullfil the traditionalist obligations of being protectors and providers on top of everything.

You can't have traditional gender roles under the Western framework so you might just as well support equality ad absurdum and hold women responsible. Yet tradcucks don't want that, they basically always blame men for everything and expect men to solve everything too.

Tradcucks want to keep supporting some old unwritten cultural rules where women should have special privileges and white knights protecting them. They're nothing but useful idiots and are the reason why things are so fucked up.

3) Tradcucks who support militarism, "might is right"... Again, USA and Israel benefit. Tradcucks either directly or indirectly worship NATO occupation.

There are some traditionalists who want army service to be obligatory again, but specifically for men because muh women. While I agree that in some ideal society women shouldn't be in the armed forces, but why the hell should only men protect the current gynocratic system where women have all the benefits? Let the women fight for this rotten West for all I care.

4) Tradcucks want men to be responsible, hard-working etc. They want you to wageslave for this system while dreaming about some idealized past of the "glorious Christian West" that is gone for centuries.

 

[2 Betrayals]

We should be doing everything possible to live off the system. Max out your debt so you can pay for surgeries and live to the max while you are young. Why the fucckkkk would you work hard and save to live frugally in your old age after wasting all that time wageslaving. Maxx everything out now and worry about it when your older.

 

[Vermilioncore]

TLDR: it's over

 

[itsovERbrothER]

Unless we run the government and control foids, there is really no hope for us, but I'd rather an Islamic state>>>>>anything, even though it won't really help us.

 

[Deleted member 17724]

Traditionalists support traditional gender roles. Sounds fine but who benefits from promoting that in the current West? The feminist regime does.

I disagree. Not only would married foids have less opportunities to cheat if they stayed at home (almost every Reddit story about cheating I've read begins with "so there's this guy at work") but men would also be able to work in peace without suffering from possible sexual harassment claims, the sexual frustration that comes with being with foids all day long and just generally their mentally unstable behavior.

Yes, wageslaving sucks but if we have to do it anyway, we might as well should be able to do it in peace. I remember in college, I had at one point a class that consisted entirely of men and I can't begin to explain how much more productive and generally pleasant it is to work in that kind of environment. Everyone would just get along together and not try to treat each other like shit like they would have to impress foids. All the group projects we were assigned were done more productively because there were no retarded foids to decrease the quality of work or who would try to get the attention of pussy worshipers.

Men-only schools and workspaces would increase the quality of life for men drastically.

 

[needsolution]

TLDR: it's over

 

[Teutonic Knight]

I disagree. Not only would married foids have less opportunities to cheat if they stayed at home (almost every Reddit story about cheating I've read begins with "so there's this guy at work") but men would also be able to work in peace without suffering from possible sexual harassment claims, the sexual frustration that comes with being with foids all day long and just generally their mentally unstable behavior.

Yes, wageslaving sucks but if we have to do it anyway, we might as well should be able to do it in peace. I remember in college, I had at one point a class that consisted entirely of men and I can't begin to explain how much more productive and generally pleasant it is to work in that kind of environment. Everyone would just get along together and not try to treat each other like shit like they would have to impress foids. All the group projects we were assigned were done more productively because there were no retarded foids to decrease the quality of work or who would try to get the attention of pussy worshipers.

Men-only schools and workspaces would increase the quality of life for men drastically.

But the thing is what they want is unachivable in the current system so it always ends up halfway with only men buying it while women continue to do what they want.

Most of the people who follow tradcuck ideas are men. If women don't want to play along and are allowed to do what they want, you have to be very naive to support traditional gender roles. If tradcuck groups were 50-50 in terms of gender you would have a point, but they're not, they're 100% men with some tradthots jumping in when they sense good opportunities to find betabuxxers.

This is what you usually end up with: successful traditionalist men want to marry because their ideology tells them to and they end up with some tradthot woman who used to ride the cock carousel but at some point became religious because she sensed that she can get tradcuck betabuxxers with a lot of money. This tradthot then stays at home and lives on tutorial mode and in the age of Tinder, she can still discreetly cheat whenever she wants to. Furthermore, with how tradcucks are on divorce, you can't even get rid of her.

The Church for example also doesn't want any sort of pre-marriage contracts because marriage is eternal, but de facto women can still divorce so who benefits from that? Another thing that goes against the men.

It would be nice to have men-only classes in school and gender segregation, but the tradcucks don't even want that. I literally don't remember any trad Catholic pushing for that even in theory and I spent a lot of time around them.

They only force the traditionalist gender role on men because men are the only ones who really follow trad ideas these days.

 

[Deleted member 17724]

But the thing is what they want is unachivable in the current system so it always ends up halfway with only men buying it while women continue to do what they want.

Most of the people who follow tradcuck ideas are men. If women don't want to play along and are allowed to do what they want, you have to be very naive to support traditional gender roles. If tradcuck groups were 50-50 in terms of gender you would have a point, but they're not, they're 100% men with some tradthots jumping in when they sense good opportunities to find betabuxxers.

This is what you usually end up with: successful traditionalist men want to marry because their ideology tells them to and they end up with some tradthot woman who used to ride the cock carousel but at some point became religious because she sensed that she can get tradcuck betabuxxers with a lot of money. This tradthot then stays at home and lives on tutorial mode and in the age of Tinder, she can still discreetly cheat whenever she wants to. Furthermore, with how tradcucks are on divorce, you can't even get rid of her.

The Church for example also doesn't want any sort of pre-marriage contracts because marriage is eternal, but de facto women can still divorce so who benefits from that? Another thing that goes against the men.

It would be nice to have men-only classes in school and gender segregation, but the tradcucks don't even want that. I literally don't remember any trad Catholic pushing for that even in theory and I spent a lot of time around them.

They only force the traditionalist gender role on men because men are the only ones who really follow trad ideas these days.

Yeah, you're right that it may not work because foids still have too much freedom. But most neocon cucks don't even push for traditional gender roles anymore, their main focus is growing the economy so they prefer foids being in the workplace. I don't remember people like Trump or Salvini ever talking about this subject, they do advice foids to have more children but they never tell them to quit their jobs, as if they expect them to both shit out 5+ children and wageslave for their government at the same time which is realistically not possible in this age. The only mainstream politician right now who does push for foids staying at home instead of wageslaving is Hungary's Orban.

The first step to returning to healthy traditional gender roles would be to stop the education system from encouraging all foids to study and become wageslaves and tell them that being a housewife and a mother is a respectable option too. I've noticed that when I was in highschool, it was pretty much assumed that foids all want to go to college to be corporate wageslaves whereas as recent as my mother's generation (80s/early 90s), foids were still taught to do things like sewing and cooking so they would have the option to become housewives if they wanted to.

Both the mainstream left and right's focus is growing the economy so the Jewish elite can increase their profits and that has to change. Politics needs to be about people being able to live healthy lives again, not just about creating new jobs.

 

[Over4Mexicels]

cuckservatives are clinging to already rotten values set forth by the socialists of the XIX & XX centuries, and the most rancid religious ideas. What we need is true revolutionary movement that shatters the egalitarian, humanitarian, pacifist doctrines established by victors of WW2. The first step would be destroying the UN, then we need to throw Lenin's body to the sewers for good. Crushing xtianity would follow afterwards