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Disclaimer:
This is not legal advice, and following this will not grant you immunity in the court.
What it aims to, is to reduce the risk of the obvious avoidable mistakes.
This guide is for USA only. European countries have much stricter laws, of which many of them explicitly name racism as a reason for prosecution under vague and subjective violations.
For UK context, here are some laws you should know:
incels.is
I complied this based on who stays up and who gets arrested. Based on 9 years of experience (look at my join date) of observation.
This guide does not protect against platform banning or reputational loss if you are not careful with OPSEC.
Introduction:
You follow the Brandenburg standard of first amendment to stay away from being busted by the police.
A speech must be proven violating all three intent, Imminence, and likelihood rules in order for the speech to lose its first amendment protection.
Omitting details:
Do not explicit, name time, weapon, place, person details etc. These get you busted for "true threat"; keep it vague.
These can reduce Imminence and likelihood violations.
Examples:
Bad (threat) "I will get an ar 15 at 3pm at the school and shoot people"
Bad (threat): Saying "They are in for a bad time" while posting a selfie of you holding a gun
Bad (incitement): "You should kill them all with a gun"
Good: I hope something bad happens to them!"
Adding details to hopes may turn it from legal "incitement" to true threat.
Avoid "I will", "you should", "I can" etc, instead, frame them as hopes so they can be seen as "abstract advocacy"
You should also avoid being too explicit because a post tied back to you is a bag of trouble if someone does attack.
Real World Prosecution examples:
Being busted for incitement in USA is actually rare, so you won't see too many examples of them.
Richard Golden (threat) -
"Just shoot Chitwood in the head and he stops being a problem"
"Just shoot Chitwood in the head and murder him."
Tres Genco (threat) -
"I will slaughter [women] out of hatred, jealousy and revenge"
DeAndre Anderson (threat) -
Desire to run over a woman
Michael Pengchung Lee (threat) -
Threatened to use an AR-15 to "get revenge on all the chads and stacies"
Christopher Cleary (threat) -
"I'm thinking about shooting up a public place soon and being the next mass shooter... I'm going to kill as many girls as I see"
Protected groups:
In general, Jews are the red line that gives you way less leeway to attack them.
A woman was arrested for asking for Benjamin Netanyahu to bomb her school. Attacking Jews + threat details = death sentence, even if the writing may not constitute a threat. Making the Jewish people look bad is a big reason why she got arrested at all.
REMEMBER:
It's recommended to use common sense because laws can be vague and be subject to interpretations. Context also matters.
Also, the court can check your whole history, like browsing, old posts, etc, so it is recommended to reduce the amount of reportable 'hooks' by removing your old posts.
Most people in USA don't get busted for speech alone unless they provide instructions on weapons, make plots, create hitlists (like Terrorgram).
However, you can be subject to civil laws if you are not careful and target certain person's or organizations, via laws like defamation laws.
As always, remember to "watch the wind" (见风使舵).
This is not legal advice, and following this will not grant you immunity in the court.
What it aims to, is to reduce the risk of the obvious avoidable mistakes.
This guide is for USA only. European countries have much stricter laws, of which many of them explicitly name racism as a reason for prosecution under vague and subjective violations.
For UK context, here are some laws you should know:
UK laws to watch out for if you're an incel
Disclaimer: This is not legal advice, it is a commentary on the some of the vague laws of UK that can theoretically be weaponized against non-incitement/ER support incel speech online. UK and other European countries are increasingly authoritarian with its latest, vague 'security' laws designed...
incels.is
I complied this based on who stays up and who gets arrested. Based on 9 years of experience (look at my join date) of observation.
This guide does not protect against platform banning or reputational loss if you are not careful with OPSEC.
Introduction:
You follow the Brandenburg standard of first amendment to stay away from being busted by the police.
A speech must be proven violating all three intent, Imminence, and likelihood rules in order for the speech to lose its first amendment protection.
Omitting details:
Do not explicit, name time, weapon, place, person details etc. These get you busted for "true threat"; keep it vague.
These can reduce Imminence and likelihood violations.
Examples:
Bad (threat) "I will get an ar 15 at 3pm at the school and shoot people"
Bad (threat): Saying "They are in for a bad time" while posting a selfie of you holding a gun
Bad (incitement): "You should kill them all with a gun"
Good: I hope something bad happens to them!"
Adding details to hopes may turn it from legal "incitement" to true threat.
Avoid "I will", "you should", "I can" etc, instead, frame them as hopes so they can be seen as "abstract advocacy"
You should also avoid being too explicit because a post tied back to you is a bag of trouble if someone does attack.
Real World Prosecution examples:
Being busted for incitement in USA is actually rare, so you won't see too many examples of them.
Richard Golden (threat) -
"Just shoot Chitwood in the head and he stops being a problem"
"Just shoot Chitwood in the head and murder him."
Tres Genco (threat) -
"I will slaughter [women] out of hatred, jealousy and revenge"
DeAndre Anderson (threat) -
Desire to run over a woman
Michael Pengchung Lee (threat) -
Threatened to use an AR-15 to "get revenge on all the chads and stacies"
Christopher Cleary (threat) -
"I'm thinking about shooting up a public place soon and being the next mass shooter... I'm going to kill as many girls as I see"
Protected groups:
In general, Jews are the red line that gives you way less leeway to attack them.
A woman was arrested for asking for Benjamin Netanyahu to bomb her school. Attacking Jews + threat details = death sentence, even if the writing may not constitute a threat. Making the Jewish people look bad is a big reason why she got arrested at all.
REMEMBER:
It's recommended to use common sense because laws can be vague and be subject to interpretations. Context also matters.
Also, the court can check your whole history, like browsing, old posts, etc, so it is recommended to reduce the amount of reportable 'hooks' by removing your old posts.
Most people in USA don't get busted for speech alone unless they provide instructions on weapons, make plots, create hitlists (like Terrorgram).
However, you can be subject to civil laws if you are not careful and target certain person's or organizations, via laws like defamation laws.
As always, remember to "watch the wind" (见风使舵).
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