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How the Resurgence of the Word 'Simp' Is a Nod to Incel Culture and Ancient Misogyny​

An Opinion Piece​

Jen M

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a11y-light·January 23, 2023 (Updated: January 23, 2023)·Free: No
I first heard the word a few years ago from a guy friend. He was disgruntled by modern dating and by his own negative experiences in relationships. He was disappointed in himself for still being a bachelor in his mid-30s, as he'd always desired a loving, fulfilling marriage and family. Despite this dream, he was convinced his fate was to be alone for the rest of his life; forever desiring what he couldn't have… and he told me why he thought so:
"I can't find or keep a girl because I'm too much of a simp."
"What's that?"
"It means I try too hard and girls see me as beta."
(Don't even get me started on the words 'alpha' and 'beta').
I knew that over-giving and people-pleasing were signs of neediness and self-abandonment. Naturally, placing someone on a pedestal insinuates that you're powerless and not the greatest catch yourself. I assumed that's what he meant.
But then I started hearing the word used in other scenarios:
  • If a man called out another man's misogynistic behavior, he was a 'simp.'
  • If a man did something thoughtful for his girlfriend of wife, he was a 'simp.'
  • If I, a woman, talked about my appreciation women, some men would even call me a 'simp.'
It didn't take me long to realize this word had a more sinister meaning than mere 'people-pleasing.' Rather, it had undertones of misogyny, as it was being directed toward men who were treating women with kindness and basic human decency. I've also yet to hear it, or an equivalent, used against someone who loves, appreciates, defends, or offers to men.
I decided to do some more digging on the origins of this seemingly-new word. Unsurprisingly, the word wasn't new — just revived.
It's not exactly clear when exactly the word originated, nor who coined the term, but there's evidence that it's been around as far back as the 1920s, and was used in the New York Times in 1923.
In 1949, it was defined as an abbreviation for 'simpleton' in the New Partridge Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English.
In the 1980s and 1990s, the word was used to insult 'soft' men in Hip-Hop songs by rappers like Ice-T and Too Short:
"Lesson 1, you should know, Never fall in love, with your ho. Lesson 2 tells you to do only one thing, Act cool. Lesson 3, Don't be a trick. If she's poor, if she's rich, If your game is soft or hard, It shouldn't take long to break the broad. Lesson 4, Keep ya ho, it's the most important thing to know. 'Cause I pimp or die, I'm like the Mack, Riding around Oakland in a Cadillac. But on the other hand, if you can't pimp And the hos keep treating you like a simp, I don't know what to say about you boys. You better go to the store and buy some toys. 'Cause you can't play this game." - Pimpology, Too Short, 1990
In short: Pimp good, simp bad.
The word died out until TikTok users brought it back in late-2019, thereby making it common terminology again.
On Google, the first definition of 'simp,' is: "a silly or foolish person," referencing Oxford Languages. This is almost identical to the Oxford Languages definition of 'simpleton,' which is: "a foolish or gullible person."
The slang dictionary at dictionary.com offers a more accurate and updated description for how the word is currently being used:
"Simp is a slang insult for men who are seen as too attentive and submissive to women, especially out of a failed hope of winning some entitled sexual attention or activity from them."
This sounds almost identical to the self-professed 'nice guy.' dictionary.com defines a 'nice guy' as:
"In popular dating culture, a nice guy is a pejorative term for an insecure man who expects his kindness to be rewarded with sex."
After the 'nice guy's' failed attempts of using kindness in exchange for sex or romantic intimacy (which is manipulation, not kindness), there's a chance they'll eventually adopt — if they haven't already — incel ideology and become 'red pilled.' An incel is:
"A member of an online subculture of men who want to have sex but are unable to find sexual partners, typically blaming women or hating people who are sexually successful" — dictionary.com
Here's a conversation I had with an incel recently, in case you haven't had the displeasure of talking to one yourself and to showcase how far gone they are:
Him: Let's start with the basics. Are you ready for your bare foot rub Me: I'm a touch-me-not Him: Come on bro give me something Fuck my life What's a guy gotta do… Fuck it all Can't even be nice these days I give up bro Me: What Him: Never mind bro fuck off Go fuck yourself bitch
As you can see, the 'nice guy' façade is quickly exposed once a woman says "no" to his advances.
Instead of working on their flirting skills ("are you ready for your foot rub" is a terrible opening line) and, much more importantly, on becoming decent people who others might actually want to say yes to (which would mean no more love bombing and actually seeing women as people, not objects), they turn toward the growing online community of incels who spew their hatred on online forums.
What I've noticed is that those who've taken on this toxic ideology are rarely called 'simps' and don't tend to self-identify as 'simps.' Instead, the word is often used by incels toward loving boyfriends, husbands, and toward all men who respect women.
Why?
The most obvious answer is jealousy.
The second most obvious answer is misogyny.
Basically, their motivation behind calling someone a 'simp' appears to stem from their inability to understand why a man would possibly treat a woman with kindness, compassion, attentiveness, and so forth, without the motivation for sex.
Because that's what they do, or used to do, without success.
To them, women are not people inherently worthy of these things — but objects they are entitled to as men.
…Which is why they often reply with heinous things when we say "no."
Don't believe me? That's probably just an indicator that you're not completely unhinged, or haven't had to deal with any incels firsthand. For argument's sake, check out these articles:
*TRIGGER WARNING: SA*
"Incels — short for Involuntary Celibate — hold misogynistic beliefs, and some have launched violent attacks. The CCDH research suggests that, on average, a post about rape was published to the forum every 29 minutes." — BBC News
"The report, by the Center for Countering Digital Hate's new Quant Lab, is the culmination of an investigation that analyzed more than 1 million posts on the site. It found a marked spike in conversations about mass murder and growing approval of sexually assaulting prepubescent girls." — The Washington Post
"They despise women, blaming them, along with feminism and social-justice warriors, as the reason they aren't having sex. They seem to think sex is their given right… and if they can't get it, then something has to be done." — Cosmopolitan
This 'red-pilled' ideology is a dangerous one — most notably for the women whose physical safety and lives are at stake.
Naama Kates goes so far as to say that incel ideology is creating terrorists in this UnHerd article:
"Davison [a mass shooter in Britain] was an incel, another young man driven to violence by a nefarious online movement that breeds terrorists."
For impressionable and desperate men, this is a problematic — to say the least — mindset to be exposed to, and many virgins and singletons are being drawn to these forums and podcasts thinking they've finally found a community they can belong and relate to. When there's a relatively-large number of people shouting from the four corners of the internet that real men, to again quote Too Short, "never fall in love with their ho," they are left with three main reactions:
  • To cultivate a strong enough sense of self and masculinity that they don't care what some incel says (this becomes more difficult when the incel in question is their real-life friend)
  • To conceal their affection for their partner (or women in general) out of fear of being judged
  • To become an incel themselves, eventually
You've surely heard by now that there's a growing number of single men. Now that women are able to support themselves financially and no longer need a husband to… well, survive… they demand more than just a 'steady income' from their intimate partners. And many men aren't up-to-par in the emotional maturity or availability departments.
I've heard some men retort that "women don't know what they want… they say they want a romantic, emotional guy but they always go for the bad boy," "women love Chads who treat them like shit," and "I never got 'bitches' until I started disrespecting them."
Yikes.
I'd wager my life savings that anyone who says they 'stopped being nice' in an attempt to 'get bitches' — or who uses the word 'bitches' — was ever a kind person to begin with. I'd also wager that men who think women want to be mistreated have never gotten to know one and most probably listen to too much Andrew Tate.
Normally, I'd suggest for someone with limited social interaction and unfair biases to get out there and see first-hand that:
"Women, they have minds, and they have souls, as well as just hearts. And they've got ambition, and they've got talent, as well as just beauty. I'm so sick of people saying that love is all a woman is fit for." — Little Women, Louisa May Alcott
…But to the incels who are dead set on viewing women as 'whores' and 'holes,' I'd prefer they stayed far, far, far away from us.
Although incel culture may seem like a modern-day phenomenon because it's blown up more recently, the misogyny behind it dates as far back as 1200BCE, and most certainly further. To prove that their beliefs are not only unoriginal, but also archaic, I'll compare what modern-day incels believe to what notable men from the patriarchal society of Ancient Greece believed — which is revealed through their plays, poems, texts, and mythos.
  • Incels believe women are inherently lesser to men
  • Incels believe the 'role of a woman' is to serve men, bear children, and to do household chores/cooking
  • Incels believe women are evil, deceitful, disloyal, etc.
  • Incels believe they are entitled to women
Ancient Greek philosophers, such as Aristotle (384–322BCE), believed that women were inferior, saying outright:
"As regards the sexes, the male is by nature superior and the female inferior, the male ruler and the female subject." — Politics, Aristotle
"The female is as it were a deformed male" — Aristotle
As far as the Great Aristotle was concerned, women were not fully formed in the womb, making them incomplete humans.
In The Odyssey, written by Homer (c. 900–701BCE), Penelope's son has status over her simply for being born a male, and he tells his mother when she tries to engage with his guest:
"Go inside the house, and attend to your work, the loom and the distaff, and bid your handmaidens attend to their work also. Talking is men's business, all men's business, but my business most of all." — The Odyssey, 356–359, translated by Robert Garland
Penelope does as she's told, just like any other ideal, level-headed woman would've done.
To Homer, anyway.
Another notable incel from Ancient Greece was Hesoid (750-650BCE), whose epic poetry about his interpretation of mythology revealed how he viewed — and loathed — women. According to Greek mythology, all women originated from the first woman, Pandora, who was created by the command of Zeus for the sole purpose of tormenting men and balancing out their 'goodness':
"He [Zeus] made this lovely evil to balance the good, Then led her off to the other gods and men Gorgeous in the finery of the owl-eyed daughter Sired in power. And they were stunned, Immortal gods and mortal men, when they saw The sheer deception, irresistible to men. From her is the race of female women, The deadly race and population of women, A great infestation among mortal men" — Theogony, 588–596
To Hesoid, being a man was a lose-lose scenario: He either had to suffer at the hands of a submissive wife who 'mommied' him and bore his children (note the sarcasm), or go without having a son to take care of him when he got old:
"Whoever escapes marriage And women's harm, comes to deadly old age Without any son to support him." — Theogony, 607–609
Women were seen as temptresses because of their beauty and apparently manipulated gullible men with this power:
"Do not let a flaunting woman coax and cozen and deceive you: she is after your barn. The man who trusts womankind trust deceivers." — Works and Days, Hesoid, ll. 373–375
"Trust not a woman when she weeps, for it is her nature to weep when she wants her will." — Socrates (469–399BCE)
(Maybe if women were given a voice and rights they wouldn't have had to find loopholes.)
Not only were women seen as evil personified, but they were also responsible for all evil on earth, from back when Pandora opened Pandora's Box:
"For ere this the tribes of men lived on earth remote and free from ills and hard toil and heavy sickness which bring the Fates upon men; for in misery men grow old quickly. But the woman [Pandora] took off the great lid of the jar with her hands and scattered all these and her thought caused sorrow and mischief to men." — Works and Days, Hesoid, ll. 90–105
(But women are the ones who can't take accountability for anything, right?)
No misogynistic rant is complete without women being referred to as 'gold diggers':
"The bees [men] work every day until the sun goes down, Busy all day long making pale honeycombs, While the drones stay inside, in the hollow hives, Stuffing their stomachs with the work of others. That's just how Zeus, the high lord of thunder, Made women as a curse for mortal men" — Theogony, 600–605
(Because it makes perfect sense that women were willingly opting to perform unpaid labor and repeatedly endure childbirth — which was even more dangerous back then — instead of having an education and being financially independent; living their lives pursuing their passions and marrying someone they actually loved and chose.)
Living in Ancient Greece as a woman lacked personhood and would have been a waking nightmare. You would have received little-to-no education and been shut indoors (so no one could accuse you of being a non-virgin before your wedding day) until your early-to-mid teens, when your father would marry you off to a significantly older man so you could pop his children out for him (because men were viewed as the givers of life, and women were mere vessels) until the day you can't bear children anymore (if you lived long, that is), silently accommodating his every whim and desire along the way with your mouth daintily shut.
Deep Breaths.
Men shaming men for not being manly enough isn't modern, either.
Now, if I'd been raised to believe certain things were morally superior and others morally tainted, I'd probably want to align myself with the superior and avoid the tainted, too — and I daresay I might even look down on those who participated in such 'corruption' willingly, if the social influences were strong enough.
In the case of the Greeks, that 'corruption' was… women. And men did not want to be seen as feminine — few things were more insulting.
There was, of course, a word to describe such 'reprobates': Malakia, meaning 'soft.'
"Malakia was a particular type of cowardice, associated with effeminacy in men, that was widely condemned in ancient Greek society. To the ancient Greek, bravery was such an essential character trait of manliness that its absence was associated with femininity." — dictionary.sensagent.com
Today, men use the word 'simp.'
As you can probably tell by now, the patriarchy harms both women and men, and the word 'simp' exemplifies the double-edged-sword of sexism:
  • Men are encouraged to be as masculine as possible and are shamed for participating in anything even remotely feminine, including seeing women as equals (if women are equal, men are not greater)
  • Women are treated as objects and as lesser to men
Men, rather poorly, attempted to define the characteristics and roles of the sexes millennia's ago — making women inherently bad and subservient and holding men to ridiculously high standards — which still, to a degree, remain intact today. It's going to take much more than a few decades of feminism to dismantle such an integrated belief system.
That isn't to say there's been no progress. Women are able to have their own bank accounts, have access to higher education, can vote and run for office, can be CEOs and managers and bosses, can divorce, can even wear stereotypically-male clothing like suits and pants without getting a second glance.
But what about the inverse?
Why do so many men avoid programs and occupations that are female-dominated? Why do they expect their wives to manage the bulk of the household chores, even if their wife works more or equal hours? Why is it still so taboo for them to wear a skirt, dress, makeup, or high heels (some of which were, funnily enough, originally made for men)?
Some of it is entitlement, yes — chiefly in the case of husbands expecting their wives to be housekeepers. But I believe it's also because we, as a society, have been conditioned to still believe that masculinity is not shameful, whereas femininity is.
  • If masculinity is not shameful, then women aren't going to be as scared of being perceived as masculine.
  • If femininity is shameful, then men are going to be embarrassed to be perceived as feminine.
Since femininity has a long-standing history of being associated with a plethora of unfavorable traits — such as weakness, laziness, deception (especially sexual deception), and all types of wickedness — it's no wonder that some men still believe these things or may want to believe these things (in the case of incels who would rather blame women than take accountability).
But even the good traits women were, and still are, said to possess — which was a much shorter list, mind you — such as being nurturing, loving, and emotional… men avoid these, too, in fear of being seen as 'effeminate,' or 'malakia'— especially by their male peers.
Certain men claim that the reason why they have to hide their emotions is because women find it unattractive. Even if there is an element of truth to that — I'm not a straight man, so I can't really say — it doesn't explain why men were held to the 'stoic standard' even at a time when women didn't have much choice in who they married.
And it is, without a doubt, a harmful expectation for someone to be unfeeling. Females aren't born more emotional and males are not innately emotionless; it is a learned — suppressed — trait.
Feeling shame for expressing and having emotions makes it that much more difficult to seek help, and the rising male suicide rate indicates that men need to shed their unhealthy beliefs about masculinity for their own sake — but there's still hesitation.
Much of this hesitation, I theorize, can be attributed to the fact that those in positions of power have less motivation to change to begin with because they are reaping the benefits of their higher status and therefore see no problem with the pre-set standards society has presented them with.
But also, some men have a tendency to blame women for the harm the patriarchy is causing them.
In other words, they have misdirected anger, which is very evident in online incel forums.
Today, while women are busy embracing their independence now that we have the freedom to do so — which is amazing — many men are averse to embracing their more feminine side (or should I say, they are hesitant to embrace what society has deemed 'feminine'), because the shame of being a woman is still very much alive.
As much as feminists have fought for our own rights, we cannot change men.
We cannot make them see us as people and respect us…
We cannot make them open up or get more in touch with their emotions…
We cannot make them unafraid of the judgements of other men…
We cannot make them view femininity as something beautiful…
…nor is it our job to.
But what I will do is not belittle men for being kind, empathetic, compassionate, caring, nurturing, or emotional.
And until the word fizzles out again, hopefully for good, I'll wear the word 'simp' with pride, because — contrary to what incels might believe— loving women and treating them like goddesses is something I'm unashamed of.
 
That's a lot of text
 
Why is it still so taboo for them to wear a skirt, dress, makeup, or high heels (some of which were, funnily enough, originally made for men)?
:feelsclown:
 
Ah so the word simp is bad but incel is ok.
Two tier left
 
Toilet drivel. Into the pajeet pit.
 
Great wall (of text) of roastie.
 
Honestly this is why I hate doughnut bumpers like (((her))). She's really just chadsexual and I fucking know it.
Dykes are worse than toilets because at least toilets try to seem human. Dykes, especially the truest of dykes, have no reason to be near us. They scold us, they want us dead. They are now getting the power they say was promised to them 3000 years ago or whatever.

Hate is not strong enough to describe what I feel about this pit latrine. Strip her clothes off, cut off her limbs, then slam dunk roundhouse kick her into the most disgusting of the pajeet pits.
 
By reffering to actient filosofers she made argumentum ad auctoritatem in our favor. Good that our wise ancestors warned us already thousands years ago.
 

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How the Resurgence of the Word 'Simp' Is a Nod to Incel Culture and Ancient Misogyny​

An Opinion Piece​

Jen M
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a11y-light·January 23, 2023 (Updated: January 23, 2023)·Free: No
I first heard the word a few years ago from a guy friend. He was disgruntled by modern dating and by his own negative experiences in relationships. He was disappointed in himself for still being a bachelor in his mid-30s, as he'd always desired a loving, fulfilling marriage and family. Despite this dream, he was convinced his fate was to be alone for the rest of his life; forever desiring what he couldn't have… and he told me why he thought so:
"I can't find or keep a girl because I'm too much of a simp."
"What's that?"
"It means I try too hard and girls see me as beta."
(Don't even get me started on the words 'alpha' and 'beta').
I knew that over-giving and people-pleasing were signs of neediness and self-abandonment. Naturally, placing someone on a pedestal insinuates that you're powerless and not the greatest catch yourself. I assumed that's what he meant.
But then I started hearing the word used in other scenarios:
  • If a man called out another man's misogynistic behavior, he was a 'simp.'
  • If a man did something thoughtful for his girlfriend of wife, he was a 'simp.'
  • If I, a woman, talked about my appreciation women, some men would even call me a 'simp.'
It didn't take me long to realize this word had a more sinister meaning than mere 'people-pleasing.' Rather, it had undertones of misogyny, as it was being directed toward men who were treating women with kindness and basic human decency. I've also yet to hear it, or an equivalent, used against someone who loves, appreciates, defends, or offers to men.
I decided to do some more digging on the origins of this seemingly-new word. Unsurprisingly, the word wasn't new — just revived.
It's not exactly clear when exactly the word originated, nor who coined the term, but there's evidence that it's been around as far back as the 1920s, and was used in the New York Times in 1923.
In 1949, it was defined as an abbreviation for 'simpleton' in the New Partridge Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English.
In the 1980s and 1990s, the word was used to insult 'soft' men in Hip-Hop songs by rappers like Ice-T and Too Short:

In short: Pimp good, simp bad.
The word died out until TikTok users brought it back in late-2019, thereby making it common terminology again.
On Google, the first definition of 'simp,' is: "a silly or foolish person," referencing Oxford Languages. This is almost identical to the Oxford Languages definition of 'simpleton,' which is: "a foolish or gullible person."
The slang dictionary at dictionary.com offers a more accurate and updated description for how the word is currently being used:

This sounds almost identical to the self-professed 'nice guy.' dictionary.com defines a 'nice guy' as:

After the 'nice guy's' failed attempts of using kindness in exchange for sex or romantic intimacy (which is manipulation, not kindness), there's a chance they'll eventually adopt — if they haven't already — incel ideology and become 'red pilled.' An incel is:

Here's a conversation I had with an incel recently, in case you haven't had the displeasure of talking to one yourself and to showcase how far gone they are:

As you can see, the 'nice guy' façade is quickly exposed once a woman says "no" to his advances.
Instead of working on their flirting skills ("are you ready for your foot rub" is a terrible opening line) and, much more importantly, on becoming decent people who others might actually want to say yes to (which would mean no more love bombing and actually seeing women as people, not objects), they turn toward the growing online community of incels who spew their hatred on online forums.
What I've noticed is that those who've taken on this toxic ideology are rarely called 'simps' and don't tend to self-identify as 'simps.' Instead, the word is often used by incels toward loving boyfriends, husbands, and toward all men who respect women.
Why?
The most obvious answer is jealousy.
The second most obvious answer is misogyny.
Basically, their motivation behind calling someone a 'simp' appears to stem from their inability to understand why a man would possibly treat a woman with kindness, compassion, attentiveness, and so forth, without the motivation for sex.
Because that's what they do, or used to do, without success.
To them, women are not people inherently worthy of these things — but objects they are entitled to as men.
…Which is why they often reply with heinous things when we say "no."
Don't believe me? That's probably just an indicator that you're not completely unhinged, or haven't had to deal with any incels firsthand. For argument's sake, check out these articles:
*TRIGGER WARNING: SA*



This 'red-pilled' ideology is a dangerous one — most notably for the women whose physical safety and lives are at stake.
Naama Kates goes so far as to say that incel ideology is creating terrorists in this UnHerd article:

For impressionable and desperate men, this is a problematic — to say the least — mindset to be exposed to, and many virgins and singletons are being drawn to these forums and podcasts thinking they've finally found a community they can belong and relate to. When there's a relatively-large number of people shouting from the four corners of the internet that real men, to again quote Too Short, "never fall in love with their ho," they are left with three main reactions:
  • To cultivate a strong enough sense of self and masculinity that they don't care what some incel says (this becomes more difficult when the incel in question is their real-life friend)
  • To conceal their affection for their partner (or women in general) out of fear of being judged
  • To become an incel themselves, eventually
You've surely heard by now that there's a growing number of single men. Now that women are able to support themselves financially and no longer need a husband to… well, survive… they demand more than just a 'steady income' from their intimate partners. And many men aren't up-to-par in the emotional maturity or availability departments.
I've heard some men retort that "women don't know what they want… they say they want a romantic, emotional guy but they always go for the bad boy," "women love Chads who treat them like shit," and "I never got 'bitches' until I started disrespecting them."
Yikes.
I'd wager my life savings that anyone who says they 'stopped being nice' in an attempt to 'get bitches' — or who uses the word 'bitches' — was ever a kind person to begin with. I'd also wager that men who think women want to be mistreated have never gotten to know one and most probably listen to too much Andrew Tate.
Normally, I'd suggest for someone with limited social interaction and unfair biases to get out there and see first-hand that:

…But to the incels who are dead set on viewing women as 'whores' and 'holes,' I'd prefer they stayed far, far, far away from us.
Although incel culture may seem like a modern-day phenomenon because it's blown up more recently, the misogyny behind it dates as far back as 1200BCE, and most certainly further. To prove that their beliefs are not only unoriginal, but also archaic, I'll compare what modern-day incels believe to what notable men from the patriarchal society of Ancient Greece believed — which is revealed through their plays, poems, texts, and mythos.
  • Incels believe women are inherently lesser to men
  • Incels believe the 'role of a woman' is to serve men, bear children, and to do household chores/cooking
  • Incels believe women are evil, deceitful, disloyal, etc.
  • Incels believe they are entitled to women
Ancient Greek philosophers, such as Aristotle (384–322BCE), believed that women were inferior, saying outright:


As far as the Great Aristotle was concerned, women were not fully formed in the womb, making them incomplete humans.
In The Odyssey, written by Homer (c. 900–701BCE), Penelope's son has status over her simply for being born a male, and he tells his mother when she tries to engage with his guest:

Penelope does as she's told, just like any other ideal, level-headed woman would've done.
To Homer, anyway.
Another notable incel from Ancient Greece was Hesoid (750-650BCE), whose epic poetry about his interpretation of mythology revealed how he viewed — and loathed — women. According to Greek mythology, all women originated from the first woman, Pandora, who was created by the command of Zeus for the sole purpose of tormenting men and balancing out their 'goodness':

To Hesoid, being a man was a lose-lose scenario: He either had to suffer at the hands of a submissive wife who 'mommied' him and bore his children (note the sarcasm), or go without having a son to take care of him when he got old:

Women were seen as temptresses because of their beauty and apparently manipulated gullible men with this power:


(Maybe if women were given a voice and rights they wouldn't have had to find loopholes.)
Not only were women seen as evil personified, but they were also responsible for all evil on earth, from back when Pandora opened Pandora's Box:

(But women are the ones who can't take accountability for anything, right?)
No misogynistic rant is complete without women being referred to as 'gold diggers':

(Because it makes perfect sense that women were willingly opting to perform unpaid labor and repeatedly endure childbirth — which was even more dangerous back then — instead of having an education and being financially independent; living their lives pursuing their passions and marrying someone they actually loved and chose.)
Living in Ancient Greece as a woman lacked personhood and would have been a waking nightmare. You would have received little-to-no education and been shut indoors (so no one could accuse you of being a non-virgin before your wedding day) until your early-to-mid teens, when your father would marry you off to a significantly older man so you could pop his children out for him (because men were viewed as the givers of life, and women were mere vessels) until the day you can't bear children anymore (if you lived long, that is), silently accommodating his every whim and desire along the way with your mouth daintily shut.
Deep Breaths.
Men shaming men for not being manly enough isn't modern, either.
Now, if I'd been raised to believe certain things were morally superior and others morally tainted, I'd probably want to align myself with the superior and avoid the tainted, too — and I daresay I might even look down on those who participated in such 'corruption' willingly, if the social influences were strong enough.
In the case of the Greeks, that 'corruption' was… women. And men did not want to be seen as feminine — few things were more insulting.
There was, of course, a word to describe such 'reprobates': Malakia, meaning 'soft.'

Today, men use the word 'simp.'
As you can probably tell by now, the patriarchy harms both women and men, and the word 'simp' exemplifies the double-edged-sword of sexism:
  • Men are encouraged to be as masculine as possible and are shamed for participating in anything even remotely feminine, including seeing women as equals (if women are equal, men are not greater)
  • Women are treated as objects and as lesser to men
Men, rather poorly, attempted to define the characteristics and roles of the sexes millennia's ago — making women inherently bad and subservient and holding men to ridiculously high standards — which still, to a degree, remain intact today. It's going to take much more than a few decades of feminism to dismantle such an integrated belief system.
That isn't to say there's been no progress. Women are able to have their own bank accounts, have access to higher education, can vote and run for office, can be CEOs and managers and bosses, can divorce, can even wear stereotypically-male clothing like suits and pants without getting a second glance.
But what about the inverse?
Why do so many men avoid programs and occupations that are female-dominated? Why do they expect their wives to manage the bulk of the household chores, even if their wife works more or equal hours? Why is it still so taboo for them to wear a skirt, dress, makeup, or high heels (some of which were, funnily enough, originally made for men)?
Some of it is entitlement, yes — chiefly in the case of husbands expecting their wives to be housekeepers. But I believe it's also because we, as a society, have been conditioned to still believe that masculinity is not shameful, whereas femininity is.
  • If masculinity is not shameful, then women aren't going to be as scared of being perceived as masculine.
  • If femininity is shameful, then men are going to be embarrassed to be perceived as feminine.
Since femininity has a long-standing history of being associated with a plethora of unfavorable traits — such as weakness, laziness, deception (especially sexual deception), and all types of wickedness — it's no wonder that some men still believe these things or may want to believe these things (in the case of incels who would rather blame women than take accountability).
But even the good traits women were, and still are, said to possess — which was a much shorter list, mind you — such as being nurturing, loving, and emotional… men avoid these, too, in fear of being seen as 'effeminate,' or 'malakia'— especially by their male peers.
Certain men claim that the reason why they have to hide their emotions is because women find it unattractive. Even if there is an element of truth to that — I'm not a straight man, so I can't really say — it doesn't explain why men were held to the 'stoic standard' even at a time when women didn't have much choice in who they married.
And it is, without a doubt, a harmful expectation for someone to be unfeeling. Females aren't born more emotional and males are not innately emotionless; it is a learned — suppressed — trait.
Feeling shame for expressing and having emotions makes it that much more difficult to seek help, and the rising male suicide rate indicates that men need to shed their unhealthy beliefs about masculinity for their own sake — but there's still hesitation.
Much of this hesitation, I theorize, can be attributed to the fact that those in positions of power have less motivation to change to begin with because they are reaping the benefits of their higher status and therefore see no problem with the pre-set standards society has presented them with.
But also, some men have a tendency to blame women for the harm the patriarchy is causing them.
In other words, they have misdirected anger, which is very evident in online incel forums.
Today, while women are busy embracing their independence now that we have the freedom to do so — which is amazing — many men are averse to embracing their more feminine side (or should I say, they are hesitant to embrace what society has deemed 'feminine'), because the shame of being a woman is still very much alive.
As much as feminists have fought for our own rights, we cannot change men.
We cannot make them see us as people and respect us…
We cannot make them open up or get more in touch with their emotions…
We cannot make them unafraid of the judgements of other men…
We cannot make them view femininity as something beautiful…
…nor is it our job to.
But what I will do is not belittle men for being kind, empathetic, compassionate, caring, nurturing, or emotional.
And until the word fizzles out again, hopefully for good, I'll wear the word 'simp' with pride, because — contrary to what incels might believe— loving women and treating them like goddesses is something I'm unashamed of.

Thats a lotta words you got there
Too bed Im not gonna read em
 
TLDR (from a paragraph I bothered to read tbh); Nice guys bad, on the surface because they want something in exchange for their kindness, deeper down it's because the nice guy fails to understand that his kindness will go unnoticed unless he is >7/10
 
Why is it still so taboo for them to wear a skirt, dress, makeup, or high heels (some of which were, funnily enough, originally made for men)?
Said clothes were reserved for noblemen. Your commoner wore more practical, simpler clothes. And chances are, the commoner thought of noblemen as superficial and effeminate. In fact, even contemporary playwrights such as Molière made fun of them.
 
wall of text i ain't reading all dat shit
 
Not only were women seen as evil personified, but they were also responsible for all evil on earth, from back when Pandora opened Pandora's Box:
Which totally corroborates with contemporary problems. They were right you stupid bitch.
 
And not a single meaningful word.
This. It's empty and makes zero point. This is normie coded. For example, those quotes from wise patriarchal men that built this society are supposed to shock you, instead of being examined and then inevitably validated by reality.
 
There's barely connecting points in this shit stinking arrogant drivel. What a poorly written piece of garbage written with poop.
 
  • If masculinity is not shameful, then women aren't going to be as scared of being perceived as masculine.
  • If femininity is shameful, then men are going to be embarrassed to be perceived as feminine.
You fucking ignorant piece of shit. None of them are inherently shameful or not shameful. They're dialectic. Women can emasculate men, men cant defiminate women. This even works on an individual level without any antagonism involved, it's simply how the world works you useless shitbag. Those things cant think correctly so shouldnt be allowed to think.
 
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(if women are equal, men are not greater)
I touched on this subject on another thread. This is simply true. Men and women are not "equal" before nature. And if men are not greater they lose their purpose and naturally feel less than.
did you know that cheerleading and flight attendance were originally male dominated ? But the moment they let women enter, masculine representation CRUMBLED, and this is the early 20th century we're talking about ! Again, no "alphas-betas" involved, simply an imbalance because femininity devoured the men symbolically and esthetically as they couldnt stand the comparison ; now, the only men in those activities will not only be rare but will HAVE TO be feminized if they want to do them.
This hole is stupid. Idk how people can be this stupid nowadays, insensible to any dialectical reasoning when sexes of all things are involved. Isnt there some feminishit/lefty book called "the dialectic of sex" though ? I wonder what kind of trash they put in there. Maybe i should go through the pain of reading it.
 
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Btw it's preposterous of her to advocate for symbolic equality in typical feminist fashion IE men having to feminize themselves (and if they dont want to, it's because my soggy knees, not simply wanting to connect with their essence) when women preciously COVET THEIR FEMININITY. What is muh god is a woman, muh future is female, she can do both, provocative clothing, porn levels of beautification, TERFS :foidSoy: if not women covetously guarding their essence and also seeing it as an agressive tool of self afirmation and control ? Maybe those dumb foids are too stupid to see it, but they really harmed and continue to harm men by demanding of them to pretty much be subpar women.
 
And all while advocating for total feminine liberty which includes demanding traditional gender esthetics or roles whenever it suits them, therefore discarding or even attacking the subpar wo-man in the process. And with present day levels of egalitarianism, it's safe to say thay all men unless very attractive or succesful are subpar women. This is confirmed by the incel problem and even the normie dating crisis in general. Egalitarianism is so disrespectful to men.

Sorry if i write in parts but i'm busy with work and this crap triggered me
 
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contrary to what incels might believe— loving women and treating them like goddesses is something I'm unashamed of
Yeah like "goddesses". It's exactly the problem, they think they're goddesses which might explain why they dont respect the alterity. Imagine a man saying he wants to be treated like a god, instant narcissistic red flag :foidSoy:
 
Why is it still so taboo for them to wear a skirt, dress, makeup, or high heels (some of which were, funnily enough, originally made for men)?
Some of it is entitlement, yes — chiefly in the case of husbands expecting their wives to be housekeepers. But I believe it's also because we, as a society, have been conditioned to still believe that masculinity is not shameful, whereas femininity is.

My response to this is already in some other thread :

have you ever been around leftist or some cheeky promiscuous modern women ? They are the ones who will question your "masculinity" over the slightest shit the most as soon as you're not the top dog. But, simultaneously, they will show total acceptance for hyperbolic expressions of masculine gender fluidity, like being a fag with a pink feather up your ass, and here's the hocus-pocus : due to it, they'll be deemed the good, accepting and progressive ones that are fighting the good fight against "toxic masculinity" cause they'd allow you to be a fag when in reality they just don't want to deal with a man's complexity and ambiguity (in short your humanity), finding fags or over the top voluntarily effeminated male feminist allies to be a comforting archetype for their misandry, a deconstructed, disarticulated puppet that can't pretend to anything. This makes me think of the Disney feminist classic "Mulan" where, at the end of the movie, those poor guys symbolizing the "average guy" of society, embody this very idea by implicitly "accepting their feminine side"... of course by being completely demasculinized.
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Like there's no humanity and pride in his own gender for a man if he either didn't completely won (socially dominant man, financially or lookswise) or completely accepted defeat (cuck or fag). This is very often the modern woman's mindset to the other sex. So masculinity as a concept that by definition can't be totally independant from the other sex is just a shadow of it's former self because women are not gracious at all regarding men.

That's why "patriarchy hurts men too !" or "feminism helps men" are such abusive, slimy bullshit statements.

It's like i predicted this foids bullshit months before reading it. I know foids mental mediocrity to a tee. Muh wear heels and skirts bro. Just stfu...
 
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One more reason to make God your number one priority! If you are not kind to women you are a misogynist and if you are kind to women you are a misogynist.Screwed if you do screwed if you don't another reason dating is a waste of time
 

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How the Resurgence of the Word 'Simp' Is a Nod to Incel Culture and Ancient Misogyny​

An Opinion Piece​

Jen M
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a11y-light·January 23, 2023 (Updated: January 23, 2023)·Free: No
I first heard the word a few years ago from a guy friend. He was disgruntled by modern dating and by his own negative experiences in relationships. He was disappointed in himself for still being a bachelor in his mid-30s, as he'd always desired a loving, fulfilling marriage and family. Despite this dream, he was convinced his fate was to be alone for the rest of his life; forever desiring what he couldn't have… and he told me why he thought so:
"I can't find or keep a girl because I'm too much of a simp."
"What's that?"
"It means I try too hard and girls see me as beta."
(Don't even get me started on the words 'alpha' and 'beta').
I knew that over-giving and people-pleasing were signs of neediness and self-abandonment. Naturally, placing someone on a pedestal insinuates that you're powerless and not the greatest catch yourself. I assumed that's what he meant.
But then I started hearing the word used in other scenarios:
  • If a man called out another man's misogynistic behavior, he was a 'simp.'
  • If a man did something thoughtful for his girlfriend of wife, he was a 'simp.'
  • If I, a woman, talked about my appreciation women, some men would even call me a 'simp.'
It didn't take me long to realize this word had a more sinister meaning than mere 'people-pleasing.' Rather, it had undertones of misogyny, as it was being directed toward men who were treating women with kindness and basic human decency. I've also yet to hear it, or an equivalent, used against someone who loves, appreciates, defends, or offers to men.
I decided to do some more digging on the origins of this seemingly-new word. Unsurprisingly, the word wasn't new — just revived.
It's not exactly clear when exactly the word originated, nor who coined the term, but there's evidence that it's been around as far back as the 1920s, and was used in the New York Times in 1923.
In 1949, it was defined as an abbreviation for 'simpleton' in the New Partridge Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English.
In the 1980s and 1990s, the word was used to insult 'soft' men in Hip-Hop songs by rappers like Ice-T and Too Short:

In short: Pimp good, simp bad.
The word died out until TikTok users brought it back in late-2019, thereby making it common terminology again.
On Google, the first definition of 'simp,' is: "a silly or foolish person," referencing Oxford Languages. This is almost identical to the Oxford Languages definition of 'simpleton,' which is: "a foolish or gullible person."
The slang dictionary at dictionary.com offers a more accurate and updated description for how the word is currently being used:

This sounds almost identical to the self-professed 'nice guy.' dictionary.com defines a 'nice guy' as:

After the 'nice guy's' failed attempts of using kindness in exchange for sex or romantic intimacy (which is manipulation, not kindness), there's a chance they'll eventually adopt — if they haven't already — incel ideology and become 'red pilled.' An incel is:

Here's a conversation I had with an incel recently, in case you haven't had the displeasure of talking to one yourself and to showcase how far gone they are:

As you can see, the 'nice guy' façade is quickly exposed once a woman says "no" to his advances.
Instead of working on their flirting skills ("are you ready for your foot rub" is a terrible opening line) and, much more importantly, on becoming decent people who others might actually want to say yes to (which would mean no more love bombing and actually seeing women as people, not objects), they turn toward the growing online community of incels who spew their hatred on online forums.
What I've noticed is that those who've taken on this toxic ideology are rarely called 'simps' and don't tend to self-identify as 'simps.' Instead, the word is often used by incels toward loving boyfriends, husbands, and toward all men who respect women.
Why?
The most obvious answer is jealousy.
The second most obvious answer is misogyny.
Basically, their motivation behind calling someone a 'simp' appears to stem from their inability to understand why a man would possibly treat a woman with kindness, compassion, attentiveness, and so forth, without the motivation for sex.
Because that's what they do, or used to do, without success.
To them, women are not people inherently worthy of these things — but objects they are entitled to as men.
…Which is why they often reply with heinous things when we say "no."
Don't believe me? That's probably just an indicator that you're not completely unhinged, or haven't had to deal with any incels firsthand. For argument's sake, check out these articles:
*TRIGGER WARNING: SA*



This 'red-pilled' ideology is a dangerous one — most notably for the women whose physical safety and lives are at stake.
Naama Kates goes so far as to say that incel ideology is creating terrorists in this UnHerd article:

For impressionable and desperate men, this is a problematic — to say the least — mindset to be exposed to, and many virgins and singletons are being drawn to these forums and podcasts thinking they've finally found a community they can belong and relate to. When there's a relatively-large number of people shouting from the four corners of the internet that real men, to again quote Too Short, "never fall in love with their ho," they are left with three main reactions:
  • To cultivate a strong enough sense of self and masculinity that they don't care what some incel says (this becomes more difficult when the incel in question is their real-life friend)
  • To conceal their affection for their partner (or women in general) out of fear of being judged
  • To become an incel themselves, eventually
You've surely heard by now that there's a growing number of single men. Now that women are able to support themselves financially and no longer need a husband to… well, survive… they demand more than just a 'steady income' from their intimate partners. And many men aren't up-to-par in the emotional maturity or availability departments.
I've heard some men retort that "women don't know what they want… they say they want a romantic, emotional guy but they always go for the bad boy," "women love Chads who treat them like shit," and "I never got 'bitches' until I started disrespecting them."
Yikes.
I'd wager my life savings that anyone who says they 'stopped being nice' in an attempt to 'get bitches' — or who uses the word 'bitches' — was ever a kind person to begin with. I'd also wager that men who think women want to be mistreated have never gotten to know one and most probably listen to too much Andrew Tate.
Normally, I'd suggest for someone with limited social interaction and unfair biases to get out there and see first-hand that:

…But to the incels who are dead set on viewing women as 'whores' and 'holes,' I'd prefer they stayed far, far, far away from us.
Although incel culture may seem like a modern-day phenomenon because it's blown up more recently, the misogyny behind it dates as far back as 1200BCE, and most certainly further. To prove that their beliefs are not only unoriginal, but also archaic, I'll compare what modern-day incels believe to what notable men from the patriarchal society of Ancient Greece believed — which is revealed through their plays, poems, texts, and mythos.
  • Incels believe women are inherently lesser to men
  • Incels believe the 'role of a woman' is to serve men, bear children, and to do household chores/cooking
  • Incels believe women are evil, deceitful, disloyal, etc.
  • Incels believe they are entitled to women
Ancient Greek philosophers, such as Aristotle (384–322BCE), believed that women were inferior, saying outright:


As far as the Great Aristotle was concerned, women were not fully formed in the womb, making them incomplete humans.
In The Odyssey, written by Homer (c. 900–701BCE), Penelope's son has status over her simply for being born a male, and he tells his mother when she tries to engage with his guest:

Penelope does as she's told, just like any other ideal, level-headed woman would've done.
To Homer, anyway.
Another notable incel from Ancient Greece was Hesoid (750-650BCE), whose epic poetry about his interpretation of mythology revealed how he viewed — and loathed — women. According to Greek mythology, all women originated from the first woman, Pandora, who was created by the command of Zeus for the sole purpose of tormenting men and balancing out their 'goodness':

To Hesoid, being a man was a lose-lose scenario: He either had to suffer at the hands of a submissive wife who 'mommied' him and bore his children (note the sarcasm), or go without having a son to take care of him when he got old:

Women were seen as temptresses because of their beauty and apparently manipulated gullible men with this power:


(Maybe if women were given a voice and rights they wouldn't have had to find loopholes.)
Not only were women seen as evil personified, but they were also responsible for all evil on earth, from back when Pandora opened Pandora's Box:

(But women are the ones who can't take accountability for anything, right?)
No misogynistic rant is complete without women being referred to as 'gold diggers':

(Because it makes perfect sense that women were willingly opting to perform unpaid labor and repeatedly endure childbirth — which was even more dangerous back then — instead of having an education and being financially independent; living their lives pursuing their passions and marrying someone they actually loved and chose.)
Living in Ancient Greece as a woman lacked personhood and would have been a waking nightmare. You would have received little-to-no education and been shut indoors (so no one could accuse you of being a non-virgin before your wedding day) until your early-to-mid teens, when your father would marry you off to a significantly older man so you could pop his children out for him (because men were viewed as the givers of life, and women were mere vessels) until the day you can't bear children anymore (if you lived long, that is), silently accommodating his every whim and desire along the way with your mouth daintily shut.
Deep Breaths.
Men shaming men for not being manly enough isn't modern, either.
Now, if I'd been raised to believe certain things were morally superior and others morally tainted, I'd probably want to align myself with the superior and avoid the tainted, too — and I daresay I might even look down on those who participated in such 'corruption' willingly, if the social influences were strong enough.
In the case of the Greeks, that 'corruption' was… women. And men did not want to be seen as feminine — few things were more insulting.
There was, of course, a word to describe such 'reprobates': Malakia, meaning 'soft.'

Today, men use the word 'simp.'
As you can probably tell by now, the patriarchy harms both women and men, and the word 'simp' exemplifies the double-edged-sword of sexism:
  • Men are encouraged to be as masculine as possible and are shamed for participating in anything even remotely feminine, including seeing women as equals (if women are equal, men are not greater)
  • Women are treated as objects and as lesser to men
Men, rather poorly, attempted to define the characteristics and roles of the sexes millennia's ago — making women inherently bad and subservient and holding men to ridiculously high standards — which still, to a degree, remain intact today. It's going to take much more than a few decades of feminism to dismantle such an integrated belief system.
That isn't to say there's been no progress. Women are able to have their own bank accounts, have access to higher education, can vote and run for office, can be CEOs and managers and bosses, can divorce, can even wear stereotypically-male clothing like suits and pants without getting a second glance.
But what about the inverse?
Why do so many men avoid programs and occupations that are female-dominated? Why do they expect their wives to manage the bulk of the household chores, even if their wife works more or equal hours? Why is it still so taboo for them to wear a skirt, dress, makeup, or high heels (some of which were, funnily enough, originally made for men)?
Some of it is entitlement, yes — chiefly in the case of husbands expecting their wives to be housekeepers. But I believe it's also because we, as a society, have been conditioned to still believe that masculinity is not shameful, whereas femininity is.
  • If masculinity is not shameful, then women aren't going to be as scared of being perceived as masculine.
  • If femininity is shameful, then men are going to be embarrassed to be perceived as feminine.
Since femininity has a long-standing history of being associated with a plethora of unfavorable traits — such as weakness, laziness, deception (especially sexual deception), and all types of wickedness — it's no wonder that some men still believe these things or may want to believe these things (in the case of incels who would rather blame women than take accountability).
But even the good traits women were, and still are, said to possess — which was a much shorter list, mind you — such as being nurturing, loving, and emotional… men avoid these, too, in fear of being seen as 'effeminate,' or 'malakia'— especially by their male peers.
Certain men claim that the reason why they have to hide their emotions is because women find it unattractive. Even if there is an element of truth to that — I'm not a straight man, so I can't really say — it doesn't explain why men were held to the 'stoic standard' even at a time when women didn't have much choice in who they married.
And it is, without a doubt, a harmful expectation for someone to be unfeeling. Females aren't born more emotional and males are not innately emotionless; it is a learned — suppressed — trait.
Feeling shame for expressing and having emotions makes it that much more difficult to seek help, and the rising male suicide rate indicates that men need to shed their unhealthy beliefs about masculinity for their own sake — but there's still hesitation.
Much of this hesitation, I theorize, can be attributed to the fact that those in positions of power have less motivation to change to begin with because they are reaping the benefits of their higher status and therefore see no problem with the pre-set standards society has presented them with.
But also, some men have a tendency to blame women for the harm the patriarchy is causing them.
In other words, they have misdirected anger, which is very evident in online incel forums.
Today, while women are busy embracing their independence now that we have the freedom to do so — which is amazing — many men are averse to embracing their more feminine side (or should I say, they are hesitant to embrace what society has deemed 'feminine'), because the shame of being a woman is still very much alive.
As much as feminists have fought for our own rights, we cannot change men.
We cannot make them see us as people and respect us…
We cannot make them open up or get more in touch with their emotions…
We cannot make them unafraid of the judgements of other men…
We cannot make them view femininity as something beautiful…
…nor is it our job to.
But what I will do is not belittle men for being kind, empathetic, compassionate, caring, nurturing, or emotional.
And until the word fizzles out again, hopefully for good, I'll wear the word 'simp' with pride, because — contrary to what incels might believe— loving women and treating them like goddesses is something I'm unashamed of.

Dnr
 
"BCE, before common era" go kys bitch in the end the date is still based on the birth of Christ or whatever
1300BCE, 1300BC

they should use the other format if they care about it so much
 
Another notable incel from Ancient Greece was Hesoid (750-650BCE), whose epic poetry about his interpretation of mythology revealed how he viewed — and loathed — women. According to Greek mythology, all women originated from the first woman, Pandora, who was created by the command of Zeus for the sole purpose of tormenting men and balancing out their 'goodness':
Zeus being based as usual after he turns into a swan and rapes a foids holes in mythology of course.
 
Its unbelievable how they can spwe their drivel on and on without saying anything important
 
yawn.
Any attempt of black people covering any topic just ends up fucking laughable. Be quiet. Steal from a store or something, your IQ is too low to prove any novel points. And of course entirely failing to prove your point.
 
Lol i looked up her other articles and she's not even straight SHE'S A FUCKING DYKE. Totally explains the things i talked about in my other posts, especially the part about her approach of masculinity. I hate how women project their inadequacies on men. SHE is the one that cant deal with something different from her. But deep down she's just like many straight women thinking they're entitled to demean, nullify — in other words completely rewrite — masculinity just because it's not absolute, which is ironic and hypocritical coming from people that are staunch relativists.
 
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She’s retarded.
 
What a waste of an education.
 
A whole ass mental gymnastics for calling men mysoginist and le inkwell
 
Not reading that shit
 
So many incels in todays society are simps.
 

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How the Resurgence of the Word 'Simp' Is a Nod to Incel Culture and Ancient Misogyny​

An Opinion Piece​

Jen M
Jen MFollow
a11y-light·January 23, 2023 (Updated: January 23, 2023)·Free: No
I first heard the word a few years ago from a guy friend. He was disgruntled by modern dating and by his own negative experiences in relationships. He was disappointed in himself for still being a bachelor in his mid-30s, as he'd always desired a loving, fulfilling marriage and family. Despite this dream, he was convinced his fate was to be alone for the rest of his life; forever desiring what he couldn't have… and he told me why he thought so:
"I can't find or keep a girl because I'm too much of a simp."
"What's that?"
"It means I try too hard and girls see me as beta."
(Don't even get me started on the words 'alpha' and 'beta').
I knew that over-giving and people-pleasing were signs of neediness and self-abandonment. Naturally, placing someone on a pedestal insinuates that you're powerless and not the greatest catch yourself. I assumed that's what he meant.
But then I started hearing the word used in other scenarios:
  • If a man called out another man's misogynistic behavior, he was a 'simp.'
  • If a man did something thoughtful for his girlfriend of wife, he was a 'simp.'
  • If I, a woman, talked about my appreciation women, some men would even call me a 'simp.'
It didn't take me long to realize this word had a more sinister meaning than mere 'people-pleasing.' Rather, it had undertones of misogyny, as it was being directed toward men who were treating women with kindness and basic human decency. I've also yet to hear it, or an equivalent, used against someone who loves, appreciates, defends, or offers to men.
I decided to do some more digging on the origins of this seemingly-new word. Unsurprisingly, the word wasn't new — just revived.
It's not exactly clear when exactly the word originated, nor who coined the term, but there's evidence that it's been around as far back as the 1920s, and was used in the New York Times in 1923.
In 1949, it was defined as an abbreviation for 'simpleton' in the New Partridge Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English.
In the 1980s and 1990s, the word was used to insult 'soft' men in Hip-Hop songs by rappers like Ice-T and Too Short:

In short: Pimp good, simp bad.
The word died out until TikTok users brought it back in late-2019, thereby making it common terminology again.
On Google, the first definition of 'simp,' is: "a silly or foolish person," referencing Oxford Languages. This is almost identical to the Oxford Languages definition of 'simpleton,' which is: "a foolish or gullible person."
The slang dictionary at dictionary.com offers a more accurate and updated description for how the word is currently being used:

This sounds almost identical to the self-professed 'nice guy.' dictionary.com defines a 'nice guy' as:

After the 'nice guy's' failed attempts of using kindness in exchange for sex or romantic intimacy (which is manipulation, not kindness), there's a chance they'll eventually adopt — if they haven't already — incel ideology and become 'red pilled.' An incel is:

Here's a conversation I had with an incel recently, in case you haven't had the displeasure of talking to one yourself and to showcase how far gone they are:

As you can see, the 'nice guy' façade is quickly exposed once a woman says "no" to his advances.
Instead of working on their flirting skills ("are you ready for your foot rub" is a terrible opening line) and, much more importantly, on becoming decent people who others might actually want to say yes to (which would mean no more love bombing and actually seeing women as people, not objects), they turn toward the growing online community of incels who spew their hatred on online forums.
What I've noticed is that those who've taken on this toxic ideology are rarely called 'simps' and don't tend to self-identify as 'simps.' Instead, the word is often used by incels toward loving boyfriends, husbands, and toward all men who respect women.
Why?
The most obvious answer is jealousy.
The second most obvious answer is misogyny.
Basically, their motivation behind calling someone a 'simp' appears to stem from their inability to understand why a man would possibly treat a woman with kindness, compassion, attentiveness, and so forth, without the motivation for sex.
Because that's what they do, or used to do, without success.
To them, women are not people inherently worthy of these things — but objects they are entitled to as men.
…Which is why they often reply with heinous things when we say "no."
Don't believe me? That's probably just an indicator that you're not completely unhinged, or haven't had to deal with any incels firsthand. For argument's sake, check out these articles:
*TRIGGER WARNING: SA*



This 'red-pilled' ideology is a dangerous one — most notably for the women whose physical safety and lives are at stake.
Naama Kates goes so far as to say that incel ideology is creating terrorists in this UnHerd article:

For impressionable and desperate men, this is a problematic — to say the least — mindset to be exposed to, and many virgins and singletons are being drawn to these forums and podcasts thinking they've finally found a community they can belong and relate to. When there's a relatively-large number of people shouting from the four corners of the internet that real men, to again quote Too Short, "never fall in love with their ho," they are left with three main reactions:
  • To cultivate a strong enough sense of self and masculinity that they don't care what some incel says (this becomes more difficult when the incel in question is their real-life friend)
  • To conceal their affection for their partner (or women in general) out of fear of being judged
  • To become an incel themselves, eventually
You've surely heard by now that there's a growing number of single men. Now that women are able to support themselves financially and no longer need a husband to… well, survive… they demand more than just a 'steady income' from their intimate partners. And many men aren't up-to-par in the emotional maturity or availability departments.
I've heard some men retort that "women don't know what they want… they say they want a romantic, emotional guy but they always go for the bad boy," "women love Chads who treat them like shit," and "I never got 'bitches' until I started disrespecting them."
Yikes.
I'd wager my life savings that anyone who says they 'stopped being nice' in an attempt to 'get bitches' — or who uses the word 'bitches' — was ever a kind person to begin with. I'd also wager that men who think women want to be mistreated have never gotten to know one and most probably listen to too much Andrew Tate.
Normally, I'd suggest for someone with limited social interaction and unfair biases to get out there and see first-hand that:

…But to the incels who are dead set on viewing women as 'whores' and 'holes,' I'd prefer they stayed far, far, far away from us.
Although incel culture may seem like a modern-day phenomenon because it's blown up more recently, the misogyny behind it dates as far back as 1200BCE, and most certainly further. To prove that their beliefs are not only unoriginal, but also archaic, I'll compare what modern-day incels believe to what notable men from the patriarchal society of Ancient Greece believed — which is revealed through their plays, poems, texts, and mythos.
  • Incels believe women are inherently lesser to men
  • Incels believe the 'role of a woman' is to serve men, bear children, and to do household chores/cooking
  • Incels believe women are evil, deceitful, disloyal, etc.
  • Incels believe they are entitled to women
Ancient Greek philosophers, such as Aristotle (384–322BCE), believed that women were inferior, saying outright:


As far as the Great Aristotle was concerned, women were not fully formed in the womb, making them incomplete humans.
In The Odyssey, written by Homer (c. 900–701BCE), Penelope's son has status over her simply for being born a male, and he tells his mother when she tries to engage with his guest:

Penelope does as she's told, just like any other ideal, level-headed woman would've done.
To Homer, anyway.
Another notable incel from Ancient Greece was Hesoid (750-650BCE), whose epic poetry about his interpretation of mythology revealed how he viewed — and loathed — women. According to Greek mythology, all women originated from the first woman, Pandora, who was created by the command of Zeus for the sole purpose of tormenting men and balancing out their 'goodness':

To Hesoid, being a man was a lose-lose scenario: He either had to suffer at the hands of a submissive wife who 'mommied' him and bore his children (note the sarcasm), or go without having a son to take care of him when he got old:

Women were seen as temptresses because of their beauty and apparently manipulated gullible men with this power:


(Maybe if women were given a voice and rights they wouldn't have had to find loopholes.)
Not only were women seen as evil personified, but they were also responsible for all evil on earth, from back when Pandora opened Pandora's Box:

(But women are the ones who can't take accountability for anything, right?)
No misogynistic rant is complete without women being referred to as 'gold diggers':

(Because it makes perfect sense that women were willingly opting to perform unpaid labor and repeatedly endure childbirth — which was even more dangerous back then — instead of having an education and being financially independent; living their lives pursuing their passions and marrying someone they actually loved and chose.)
Living in Ancient Greece as a woman lacked personhood and would have been a waking nightmare. You would have received little-to-no education and been shut indoors (so no one could accuse you of being a non-virgin before your wedding day) until your early-to-mid teens, when your father would marry you off to a significantly older man so you could pop his children out for him (because men were viewed as the givers of life, and women were mere vessels) until the day you can't bear children anymore (if you lived long, that is), silently accommodating his every whim and desire along the way with your mouth daintily shut.
Deep Breaths.
Men shaming men for not being manly enough isn't modern, either.
Now, if I'd been raised to believe certain things were morally superior and others morally tainted, I'd probably want to align myself with the superior and avoid the tainted, too — and I daresay I might even look down on those who participated in such 'corruption' willingly, if the social influences were strong enough.
In the case of the Greeks, that 'corruption' was… women. And men did not want to be seen as feminine — few things were more insulting.
There was, of course, a word to describe such 'reprobates': Malakia, meaning 'soft.'

Today, men use the word 'simp.'
As you can probably tell by now, the patriarchy harms both women and men, and the word 'simp' exemplifies the double-edged-sword of sexism:
  • Men are encouraged to be as masculine as possible and are shamed for participating in anything even remotely feminine, including seeing women as equals (if women are equal, men are not greater)
  • Women are treated as objects and as lesser to men
Men, rather poorly, attempted to define the characteristics and roles of the sexes millennia's ago — making women inherently bad and subservient and holding men to ridiculously high standards — which still, to a degree, remain intact today. It's going to take much more than a few decades of feminism to dismantle such an integrated belief system.
That isn't to say there's been no progress. Women are able to have their own bank accounts, have access to higher education, can vote and run for office, can be CEOs and managers and bosses, can divorce, can even wear stereotypically-male clothing like suits and pants without getting a second glance.
But what about the inverse?
Why do so many men avoid programs and occupations that are female-dominated? Why do they expect their wives to manage the bulk of the household chores, even if their wife works more or equal hours? Why is it still so taboo for them to wear a skirt, dress, makeup, or high heels (some of which were, funnily enough, originally made for men)?
Some of it is entitlement, yes — chiefly in the case of husbands expecting their wives to be housekeepers. But I believe it's also because we, as a society, have been conditioned to still believe that masculinity is not shameful, whereas femininity is.
  • If masculinity is not shameful, then women aren't going to be as scared of being perceived as masculine.
  • If femininity is shameful, then men are going to be embarrassed to be perceived as feminine.
Since femininity has a long-standing history of being associated with a plethora of unfavorable traits — such as weakness, laziness, deception (especially sexual deception), and all types of wickedness — it's no wonder that some men still believe these things or may want to believe these things (in the case of incels who would rather blame women than take accountability).
But even the good traits women were, and still are, said to possess — which was a much shorter list, mind you — such as being nurturing, loving, and emotional… men avoid these, too, in fear of being seen as 'effeminate,' or 'malakia'— especially by their male peers.
Certain men claim that the reason why they have to hide their emotions is because women find it unattractive. Even if there is an element of truth to that — I'm not a straight man, so I can't really say — it doesn't explain why men were held to the 'stoic standard' even at a time when women didn't have much choice in who they married.
And it is, without a doubt, a harmful expectation for someone to be unfeeling. Females aren't born more emotional and males are not innately emotionless; it is a learned — suppressed — trait.
Feeling shame for expressing and having emotions makes it that much more difficult to seek help, and the rising male suicide rate indicates that men need to shed their unhealthy beliefs about masculinity for their own sake — but there's still hesitation.
Much of this hesitation, I theorize, can be attributed to the fact that those in positions of power have less motivation to change to begin with because they are reaping the benefits of their higher status and therefore see no problem with the pre-set standards society has presented them with.
But also, some men have a tendency to blame women for the harm the patriarchy is causing them.
In other words, they have misdirected anger, which is very evident in online incel forums.
Today, while women are busy embracing their independence now that we have the freedom to do so — which is amazing — many men are averse to embracing their more feminine side (or should I say, they are hesitant to embrace what society has deemed 'feminine'), because the shame of being a woman is still very much alive.
As much as feminists have fought for our own rights, we cannot change men.
We cannot make them see us as people and respect us…
We cannot make them open up or get more in touch with their emotions…
We cannot make them unafraid of the judgements of other men…
We cannot make them view femininity as something beautiful…
…nor is it our job to.
But what I will do is not belittle men for being kind, empathetic, compassionate, caring, nurturing, or emotional.
And until the word fizzles out again, hopefully for good, I'll wear the word 'simp' with pride, because — contrary to what incels might believe— loving women and treating them like goddesses is something I'm unashamed of.

foids determine what is masculine or not. If I say something or think something that doesn't mean I am going to actually do it. If i think badly or think terribly about you. that doesn't mean i am going to actually kill you/take that action, if your opinions get hurt, then good. Its cognotive dissonance. I love how all incels(except one) aren't non-violent/peaceful and there has only been one self-proclaimed incel mass-shooter, but whenever an short, ugly, or balding man commits an mass shooting, the media always there to label him as an incel. There has been one incel mass-shooter, yet people claim that this ideology is breeding terrorists which is not. Its an tactic used to shame them. foids also belittle men for being kind, empathetic, compassionate, caring, nurturing, emotional, other men don't do it. foids determine what is masculine or not. you shouldn't treat women as goddesses or loving them, you should treat them apathetically. because women don't treat you as gods, nor do they love you. so why should you treat them the same way? also i love how patriarchy doesn't exist, its like this term used to justify the misandry on men. its used to justify that its your own fault. its the same fantasy, foids as knights saving the stupid, evil men from themselves. this is why cucktears when they are forming rebuttals against incels work on the incels physical apperance and attributes and not on their ideology, because they are one dimensional beings. feminist slop. any time, any ideology that doesn't appeal to an woman's view of the world is discussed, it is labeled as an terroristic ideology and an misogynist one. society loves to bully short, ugly, neurodivergent, and autistic men.
 
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By reffering to actient filosofers she made argumentum ad auctoritatem in our favor. Good that our wise ancestors warned us already thousands years ago.
And yet we didn't listen, we are suffering for our sins(not listening to what our based ancestors had to say and buying into that egalitarian bullshit) and now we have a soyciety where foids like her are allowed to malign at men publically. In my world a foid like her would get fucked hard just for replying to me without my permission, that's how it should be. Women should be properties of men. BASED ARISTOTLE
 
Amazing. Women really do have a knack for something.
Saying so many words without saying anything at all.
 
unnutritional word salad
 

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