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How diffucult is calculus?

IronMike

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Going to start a mechanical engineering degree as a community college while working FT. How difficult is calc?
The hardest math I did was pre calc in 2012, should I do some studying on my own before registering?
 
If you find it interesting it's gonna be an easy ride, but if you have no interest in it or even find it boring then

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If you find it interesting it's gonna be an easy ride, but if you have no interest in it or even find it boring then

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So should I always ask the professor what the purpose of the equations are? If I see f=cos/tanxcos
I should find out what the purpose of that is?
 
Nigga what’s all this “ Calculus” shit I’m hearing?

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So should I always ask the professor what the purpose of the equations are? If I see f=cos/tanxcos
I should find out what the purpose of that is?
You can't just simulate interest and hope it works. You are either naturaly interested and excited about something or you aren't. Are you currently excited about learning calculus? If not...
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Not bad at all, especially if your class is graded on a curve, because a lot of normies tend to struggle with it.
 
Easy if you put in work... what else would you do anyway as an incel? It's not like you're going to have a social life. May as well just studymaxx
 
Easy if you put in work... what else would you do anyway as an incel? It's not like you're going to have a social life. May as well just studymaxx
this is true, I'll either be studying or sitting at home playing video games or jerking off
 
There is no secret, when it comes to calculus you need to practice, the best you can do is pick up a book with a good didactic and solve the exercises and check if you got it right, preferably do it with your teacher, if not all just for those that you consider more difficult.
 
You can't just simulate interest and hope it works. You are either naturaly interested and excited about something or you aren't. Are you currently excited about learning calculus? If not...
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The way I try to do this is by setting a goal to be the best person in the room at a certain skill.

I had to force interest in Football and Basketball, and now I love it
 
I failed that shit. you are gonna deal with harder shit. I am taking architecture & building science and idk how I got here lol gonna transfer to another shithole.
 
calc 1 will not be too hard, you might find some integration difficult but other than that it’s pretty easy.

calc 2 is the weed out course that many people will find extremely difficult, so study really hard for that.

calc 3 people say is pretty easy compared to 2 and a little more difficult than 1.

But if you are doing mechanical engineering you have much much harder courses to worry about such as fluid mechanics and thermodynamics
 
I just failed an exam just now at college and have to take a full year out to repeat it, might sui some time during the next year while at home depressed outta my head listening to my parent's
 
It’s the lack of motivation and boredom with the topic that’ll kill you. If you like that stuff then you’ll make it work.
 
Easy if you put in work... what else would you do anyway as an incel? It's not like you're going to have a social life. May as well just studymaxx
There is no secret, when it comes to calculus you need to practice, the best you can do is pick up a book with a good didactic and solve the exercises and check if you got it right, preferably do it with your teacher, if not all just for those that you consider more difficult.

Interesting. Wonder if this applies to financial mathematics.
 
Depends:

1. Do you like math? If you like math, you'll be more inclined to learn it. I love math so I had little issue with it. I recommend repetition of problems and attending class (JFL as annoying as that is).

2. Will you have a good professor? In the end, the professor makes or breaks a class. A good prof can make the worst classes good (for me, a good prof made microprocessors class interesting) and a bad prof can make a good class bad (for me, bad prof made DSP and signals ugly).
 
its not difficult at all, just requires you to sharpen your memory.
 
Depends:

1. Do you like math? If you like math, you'll be more inclined to learn it. I love math so I had little issue with it. I recommend repetition of problems and attending class (JFL as annoying as that is).

2. Will you have a good professor? In the end, the professor makes or breaks a class. A good prof can make the worst classes good (for me, a good prof made microprocessors class interesting) and a bad prof can make a good class bad (for me, bad prof made DSP and signals ugly).

High IQ
 
its not difficult at all, just requires you to sharpen your memory.
In Calc 1 there is honestly very little memorization, it's mostly grasping conceptually what you're doing. Nowadays and especially in OP's case (being in community college), he is more likely to be allowed to use a calculator at least at first, which means no need for memorization at all beyond a few basic properties. It's Calc 2 where you start relying more heavily on memorizing properties because there are simply more variants.

@IronMike if you completed precalc, you should be fine. The major issue for you will be that it has been a long time since your last math class. You will want to refresh your memory by looking over some basic trigonometric properties (how the functions interrelate). Here is a cheat sheet for that, along with some more advanced ones you probably won't use for a while:

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/pdf/Trig_Cheat_Sheet.pdf

In your first two courses of calculus, nearly everything you will learn can be found in these 11 pages:

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/pdf/Calculus_Cheat_Sheet_All.pdf

That's really all that you will ever need to "know" in your whole first year of calculus, and most of it is plug-and-chug properties and "fill in the blank" skills.

What I think will help you mentally prepare for calculus the most is recognizing that it is simply a different type of math than anything you've done before. You learn new functions. An analogy would be when you learned multiplication after having mastered addition. Finding the integral and derivative of a function, on a mechanical level, are the same thing. Your professor will likely explain to you how limits are central to calculus in one of your earliest lectures, and I think that is the most important element to understand. Once you have conceptually grasped the fundamentals of analyzing curves, you will start to see applications for calculus everywhere, especially in your field. This course may be one of the most important ones you will take in order to have a conceptual foundation for all future calculus as well as some material science courses, so try to stay on top of the conceptual elements. If you don't slack off and distribute small study sessions before bed every day, you will have an easier time grasping the concepts.

When calculus becomes less of a computational and more of a problem-solving approach is when you will need the comprehensive understanding. For example, everyone is familiar with PEMDAS - this is the rule for how to solve a problem like

6 + 7 - 5 * 5 (7)^2

You know the rules for how to approach this problem. Similarly, when you see a calculus problem, you will need to know what rules and properties give you the easiest solution path. Unlike straight up arithmetic, there are going to be optimal ways to solve problems and suboptimal ways to solve problems. The suboptimal way may send you into a conceptual dead end (you end up with a function you don't have the skills to derive further, for example) or at the very least will take a lot more time and energy than the optimal solution, which in turn decreases the amount of time you have to complete the other problems on an exam. For example, if given a certain problem, you might try to approach it by using technique #3, then use property 4 and 5, then it becomes too complicated to go on; so, you try to do technique #4, and you see that you only need to use property 3, and the resulting equation becomes super easy to handle on a computational level. That is the goal - to find the optimal path. So, just stay on top of your shit, ask the professor as soon as you don't grasp something, meet with them after class, go to office hours, go to the study center, all of that normie shit. If you have conceptual limitations, that is the best way to overcome them and succeed. GLHF
 
It's basic shit if you aren't low iq, you just need to practice. Linear algebra is where it gets complicated.
 
Not too bad but you can't just fling it and expect to do well
 
It's basic shit if you aren't low iq, you just need to practice. Linear algebra is where it gets complicated.
Linear algebra is really not all that bad. Much like calculus it is often an issue of fundamental understanding, not a lack of ability or practice. Conceptual foundations are crucial to both. This video does a decent job explaining this, and back when I taught I made both calculus and linear algebra students watch this:

 
Depends on your teacher and yourself. Either way you need to do all of the assignments, read the book, and listen to the lecture. No exceptions. Calculus is what makes people engineers or business majors. Not. Even. Kidding.
Meaning that if you fail calculus then the next best thing for you is to move to a business degree.
 
Depends on your teacher and yourself. Either way you need to do all of the assignments, read the book, and listen to the lecture. No exceptions. Calculus is what makes people engineers or business majors. Not. Even. Kidding.
Meaning that if you fail calculus then the next best thing for you is to move to a business degree.
This is accurate, but if your interest in engineering is more science-based than math-based (seems like a silly concept on the surface but I've heard some engineering students say this) you may also consider chemistry or even electrician trade of some sort.
 
Congrats @IronMike I presume this will make it easier to get a good job. Make sure to do practice problems and get a fundamental understanding of each concept. Having an affinity towards math makes it a lot easier
 
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This is accurate, but if your interest in engineering is more science-based than math-based (seems like a silly concept on the surface but I've heard some engineering students say this) you may also consider chemistry or even electrician trade of some sort.
Ill say electrical engineering has a shit load of math. You have to take cal1 , 2, 3 , ODE, Linear Algebra, and mathematical foundations of EE. 6 total math classes!!
Congrats @IronMike I presume this will make it easier to get a good job. Make sure to do practice problems and get a fundamental understanding of each concept. Having an affinity towards math makes it a lot easier
This. Learn your math amd every other thing you do will be 20 times easier.
 
Ill say electrical engineering has a shit load of math. You have to take cal1 , 2, 3 , ODE, Linear Algebra, and mathematical foundations of EE. 6 total math classes!!
Electrical engineering and working as an electrician through a trade school are different things I'm fairly sure. You don't need all that math to be a field electrician, working on power lines and such.
 
Electrical engineering and working as an electrician through a trade school are different things I'm fairly sure. You don't need all that math to be a field electrician, working on power lines and such.
Oh yeah I was speaking specifically of EE. Electricians need basic math and 10 years of experience.
 
Oh yeah I was speaking specifically of EE. Electricians need basic math and 10 years of experience.
I can't confirm or deny the 10 years experience but that seems a bit high. I'm pretty sure you can get a license and begin working for a company at the apprentice level within 2 years in the USA. Do you mean that you need 10 years in order to have your own company, or to have respect and be outright hired and paid in full, or...?
 
Just torrent books, watch jewtube and beg your professor for a curve theory.
 
I can't confirm or deny the 10 years experience but that seems a bit high. I'm pretty sure you can get a license and begin working for a company at the apprentice level within 2 years in the USA. Do you mean that you need 10 years in order to have your own company, or to have respect and be outright hired and paid in full, or...?
5 years for journeyman, 2 more years to be master. So 7 years. I exagerated a bit.
 
Derivatives+limit definitions are very hard

Integrals are ok

Taylor series and vectors are pure torture

Proofs are absolutely disgusting and I failed series and vectors(calc3) because of them

Line integrals plus gradient/divergence/curl is hard but doable
 
5 years for journeyman, 2 more years to be master. So 7 years. I exagerated a bit.
But during those 5 years you are working and getting paid, right? Only 2 years of training vs. 4 years for a bachelor's and potentially unpalatable math courses.
 
If you have solid pre-calculus skills (basically a couple of algebra courses and trigonometry) then you're straight. Remember, calculus courses are still low level math. I flunked out of a pure mathematics program. Shit became really hard (for me) after the all the calculus/linear algebra classes. Too low IQ.
 
In Calc 1 there is honestly very little memorization, it's mostly grasping conceptually what you're doing. Nowadays and especially in OP's case (being in community college), he is more likely to be allowed to use a calculator at least at first, which means no need for memorization at all beyond a few basic properties. It's Calc 2 where you start relying more heavily on memorizing properties because there are simply more variants.

@IronMike if you completed precalc, you should be fine. The major issue for you will be that it has been a long time since your last math class. You will want to refresh your memory by looking over some basic trigonometric properties (how the functions interrelate). Here is a cheat sheet for that, along with some more advanced ones you probably won't use for a while:

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/pdf/Trig_Cheat_Sheet.pdf

In your first two courses of calculus, nearly everything you will learn can be found in these 11 pages:

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/pdf/Calculus_Cheat_Sheet_All.pdf

That's really all that you will ever need to "know" in your whole first year of calculus, and most of it is plug-and-chug properties and "fill in the blank" skills.

What I think will help you mentally prepare for calculus the most is recognizing that it is simply a different type of math than anything you've done before. You learn new functions. An analogy would be when you learned multiplication after having mastered addition. Finding the integral and derivative of a function, on a mechanical level, are the same thing. Your professor will likely explain to you how limits are central to calculus in one of your earliest lectures, and I think that is the most important element to understand. Once you have conceptually grasped the fundamentals of analyzing curves, you will start to see applications for calculus everywhere, especially in your field. This course may be one of the most important ones you will take in order to have a conceptual foundation for all future calculus as well as some material science courses, so try to stay on top of the conceptual elements. If you don't slack off and distribute small study sessions before bed every day, you will have an easier time grasping the concepts.

When calculus becomes less of a computational and more of a problem-solving approach is when you will need the comprehensive understanding. For example, everyone is familiar with PEMDAS - this is the rule for how to solve a problem like

6 + 7 - 5 * 5 (7)^2

You know the rules for how to approach this problem. Similarly, when you see a calculus problem, you will need to know what rules and properties give you the easiest solution path. Unlike straight up arithmetic, there are going to be optimal ways to solve problems and suboptimal ways to solve problems. The suboptimal way may send you into a conceptual dead end (you end up with a function you don't have the skills to derive further, for example) or at the very least will take a lot more time and energy than the optimal solution, which in turn decreases the amount of time you have to complete the other problems on an exam. For example, if given a certain problem, you might try to approach it by using technique #3, then use property 4 and 5, then it becomes too complicated to go on; so, you try to do technique #4, and you see that you only need to use property 3, and the resulting equation becomes super easy to handle on a computational level. That is the goal - to find the optimal path. So, just stay on top of your shit, ask the professor as soon as you don't grasp something, meet with them after class, go to office hours, go to the study center, all of that normie shit. If you have conceptual limitations, that is the best way to overcome them and succeed. GLHF
GOAT Post man.
Congrats @IronMike I presume this will make it easier to get a good job. Make sure to do practice problems and get a fundamental understanding of each concept. Having an affinity towards math makes it a lot easier
Thanks bro I, should have just ducked it up when I started college but I took the easy way out
 
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My best advice for fellow incelbruh: This guy (Prof. Leonard, kind of a chad, youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/professorleonard57) is insanely good at teaching.For minimun (i.e. pass), watch the videos and take notes. Reading books is considerably more time consuming and difficult than watching instructional videos (especially considering good quality videos like the aforementioned channel). Tbh, best channel on youtube for people just starting to learn math. Just for you to see, compare Leonard lectures



to Stang (MIT professor) lectures



The more practice you manage to get, the better. Usually professors use assignments and practice exams to reinforce what are you supposed to learn. Even if you use solutions manual and chegg (like me), try to understand how to actually solve different type of problems. After all, exams are always application problems.

Calculus is kind of applied math, and like most engineering classes, needs ton of practice. If you do your shit (@blickpall explain everything), most people can at least pass the course. Real math, which is more like linear algebra, is very abstract and needs conceptual undertstanding (rather than computational skill). Tbh, i am too lowIQ to even try and/or want to ever study that. So it is not that bad...

Whatever you do, if you fail, do not feel bad and drop. If you just started college, its gonna take you time to get used to everyhting. If you see that is too complicated, drop the class or smthg so you dont lose your money. Just survive college with the least amount of damage to your health. :feelsokman:
If you have solid pre-calculus skills (basically a couple of algebra courses and trigonometry) then you're straight. Remember, calculus courses are still low level math. I flunked out of a pure mathematics program. Shit became really hard (for me) after the all the calculus/linear algebra classes. Too low IQ.
Did you change major to smthg easier (like engineering)?
I think people that study pure math are really smart. To me seems like a waste. After all what is best outcome, a faculty position after 10 years of a PhD.
We all are dumb and stupid, bruh....:feelscry:
 
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It's pretty easy if you're high IQ tbh you just need to have a mathematic mentality in order to slove the problems, you also need a lot of imagination to make the graphics and formulas in your mind.
@IronMike You can PM me if you have some trouble with it, i can teach more about it.
 
It's pretty easy if you're high IQ tbh you just need to have a mathematic mentality in order to slove the problems, you also need a lot of imagination to make the graphics and formulas in your mind.
@IronMike You can PM me if you have some trouble with it, i can teach more about it.
I probably wont be registered til January, but I'll take a udemy prep course to help out with it
 

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