how could morality exist without god

[kevkon]

It doesn't. Ethics is convenient fiction. Personal compass ("inner moral voice") is just a heuristic evolutionary system based on what actions were historically convenient for human tribes to follow (hence "right"). For example, stealing feels wrong because humans selected for in-group cohesion, and things like stealing are obviously detrimental to social trust.

"God" is just something humans like to invoke when they can't face the fact that even their deepest cognitions and "meanings" are nothing but mere manifestations of cold, deterministic natural rules.

Yep. Morality is a man made concept that doesn’t exist outside of us. It is entirely subjective. The only way to prove an objective right and wrong would be through god but then you would have to prove the existence of god beyond reasonable doubt which is just never going to happen lol morality has no coherent epistemological framework

 

[kevkon]

You can be atheist and believe in karma, reincarnation, evil eye, black magic etc or be agnostic low-key. This is how most atheists operate IMO. Since how come so many people believe in BS reptilian alien conspiracy theories despite being ‘too rational’ to believe in a God?

IMO, true atheism is parasitic on a fundamentalist religion that attributes all supernatural traits to God. If you reject that religion then you can reject all supernatural beliefs. Otherwise you’ll be like South/East Asian ‘atheists’ who still offer prayer at some animal shrine and meditate in temples to open the third way.

You can be an atheist and believe these things but it would be an incoherent world view because what would you be appealing to to get your morals from?

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

It's whatever I feel it is

 

[kevkon]

TLDR: it doesn't, with or without god.

Wrong. God is defined by being all knowing and all good meaning whatever he says would be objectively true by definition.

 

[Pikacel]

You can be an atheist and believe these things but it would be an incoherent world view because what would you be appealing to to get your morals from?

You can still follow Christian or Muslim culture and understand them as ‘trying to maintain society’

 

[Krad]

You can be atheist and believe in karma, reincarnation, evil eye, black magic etc or be agnostic low-key. This is how most atheists operate IMO. Since how come so many people believe in BS reptilian alien conspiracy theories despite being ‘too rational’ to believe in a God?

IMO, true atheism is parasitic on a fundamentalist religion that attributes all supernatural traits to God. If you reject that religion then you can reject all supernatural beliefs. Otherwise you’ll be like South/East Asian ‘atheists’ who still offer prayer at some animal shrine and meditate in temples to open the third way.

Then if they can't believe in God, then why believe in those ideas?

That makes no sense, if those "forces" exists then why couldn't God exist?

They can only be pagan or have no lowercase god/idol, no outside force at all.

Or, there is a God, a single one, that interacts with us and created all things.

Interacts, because He has a plan of redemption to mankind so it's sinful nature be erased and have Eternal Life, now perfect and better in all forms.

Jesus Is The God who interacted with us, lived like us and created all things, and the only gate to Eternal Life.

 

[kevkon]

You can still follow Christian or Muslim culture and understand them as ‘trying to maintain society’

This is fair but you wouldn’t be able to call it “objective”

 

[yeetbender_]

Wrong. God is defined by being all knowing and all good meaning whatever he says would be objectively true by definition.

Define two plus two as equalling five all you want, but objective truth and reality is inflexible, regardless of your "god."

 

[yeetbender_]

This is fair but you wouldn’t be able to call it “objective”

Because there is no "objectivity," otherwise you should accept it if your god demands that you sodmize your child and trannymaxx yourself afterwards.

 

[kevkon]

Define two plus two as equalling five all you want, but objective truth and reality is inflexible, regardless of your "

Im not religious I’m agnostic. I just acknowledge that my morals aren’t superior to anyone else’s as I have no way to prove that.

 

[kevkon]

Because there is no "objectivity," otherwise you should accept it if your god demands that you sodmize your child and trannymaxx yourself afterwards.

I’m not religious but yes I agree that religious people would have to accept that. There is no objectivity without god.