Discussion Hoping for a political solution/change is a big cope

[Jabba The Hutt]

So many users her argue there should be a political solution to the incel problem, for example enforcing monogamy, or making sex outside of marriage illegal (like it was in the past).
The probability this will happen in your lifetime is very close to 0%.

First, there is the democracy argument. With a rising % of men being incel, sooner or later a poliltical party should try to capitalize on the trend (in theory) and try to get the votes of incels.

The problem with that argument: We are NOT living in an actual democracy, but in a plutocracy.

Rich capitalists basically own all the politicians, and they lobby them to make laws that favor the rich/powerful.

What matters in actual society is power, not the % of votes.

And when it comes to actual power, incels have very little.

Because, when a man gets power (in the form of wealth, social status, or fame) he is no longer incel. (because women like men with power)

So even if ~40% of men are incel, the total power they share is much less than 40%

Second, politics is downstream from culture.

Enforcing monogamy would go against the culture that currently dominates the West, a form of progressive Christian egalitarianism.

Almost all people believe in this culture.

For a politician who has sympathy with incels to recommend enforcing monogamy, would simply be political suicide.

But cultural changes take very long, hundrets of years. So, again, no chance this will happen in your lifetime.

Third, there is the argument that society will just collapse when a big % of men drop out.

Now, there is some validity to this claim, but again it's mostly a cope.

Our modern societies are so efficient and productive, that they could keep running even if only 10% of people actually work.

And also historically, there were many polygamous socities (with high status men having harems) that lasted for a very long time.

So our society simply adopting polygamy is more realistic than a total collapse.


TLDR: hoping for a political solution is cope, it won't happen in your lifetime. (if it ever happens)
You better try to get the best that you can get, in the current system.

 

[gangrenemax]

I literally don't care about the world I just want a most realistic sex bots asap

 

[bbwqs_v]

i wonder how likely nuclear war is to happen, but even if it does, i bet nothing will change

 

[LesscoBlob]

And also historically, there were many polygamous socities (with high status men having harems) that lasted for a very long time.

So our society simply adopting polygamy is more realistic than a total collapse.

That later collapsed due to civil war. Polygyny is banned even in most Muslim countries even though it's permitted in the Quran, because the rulers know that it's not a sustainable system.
This society will not go out with a thunderous revolution, but with gradual demographic replacement by people who value traditional monogamous/family values (most children adopt the values of their parents).

 

[Jabba The Hutt]

That later collapsed due to civil war. Polygyny is banned even in most Muslim countries even though it's permitted in the Quran, because the rulers know that it's not a sustainable system.
This society will not go out with a thunderous revolution, but with gradual demographic replacement by people who value traditional monogamous/family values (most children adopt the values of their parents).

did you read Edward Dutton?

he has many based theories on the future of society.

But again, these changes will take at least 3-4 generations, in our lifetime, not much will happen (things will probably get worse for the next ~20 years, with more men being incel or quasi-incel)

 

[LesscoBlob]

did you read Edward Dutton?

he has many based theories on the future of society.

Haven't heard of him. Sounds pretty interesting. I'll look him up.

But again, these changes will take at least 3-4 generations, in our lifetime, not much will happen (things will probably get worse for the next ~20 years, with more men being incel or quasi-incel)

I agree, though there is one thing to be hopeful about. Realistic sex robots. If something like this becomes widespread, it will reduce the power of women massively and feminists know that (a feminist organisation in the Netherlands and one in Germany protested to shut down two sex robot brothels, I wonder why).

 

[Jabba The Hutt]

Haven't heard of him. Sounds pretty interesting. I'll look him up.

I agree, though there is one thing to be hopeful about. Realistic sex robots. If something like this becomes widespread, it will reduce the power of women massively and feminists know that (a feminist organisation in the Netherlands and one in Germany protested to shut down two sex robot brothels, I wonder why).

his youtube channel is "The Jolly Heretic" check him out. he is also pretty fun.

And yes, sex robots could be a big game changer. Also improved virtual reality combined with some advanced sex toys (for example you could have some advanced fleshlight that is connected to a VR environment)

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

There is a solution.

The Cliche Mantra "We Don't Negotiate With Terrorists" Is A Lie (Everybody Does)

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incels.is

Basically pressure society into legalizing affordable prostitution in order to not let men's sexual frustration lead to more ERs.

 

[LesscoBlob]

his youtube channel is "The Jolly Heretic" check him out. he is also pretty fun.

Thanks. I needed some good content to watch

 

[LesscoBlob]

And yes, sex robots could be a big game changer. Also improved virtual reality combined with some advanced sex toys (for example you could have some advanced fleshlight that is connected to a VR environment)

They'll certainly help us cope much better than now.

 

[Jabba The Hutt]

There is a solution.

The Cliche Mantra "We Don't Negotiate With Terrorists" Is A Lie (Everybody Does)

FOR THE MODS: No this is not a thread where I am advocating for violence so please don't misinterpret or mislabel it as such, I know you guys are currently cucked and are afraid of any bad media coverage threatening the sites possible shut down, so you are even more weary than ever these days to...

incels.is

Basically pressure society into legalizing affordable prostitution in order to not let men's sexual frustration lead to more ERs.

I doubt this would change much. Incels who have a lot of money can already get prostitutes, and incels who are broke, for them legalized prostitution would not change anything.

 

[TBIcel]

I expect economics to fix it though. Good luck doing state enforced cuckoldry/inceldom/gynocentricsm at 150k lifetime costs to taxpayers, add in the costs to companies in useless diversity hires and makewoek gov jobs not sure how that will work as the western economies continue to death spiral.

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

yeah, nothing happens even in alleged based countries, they are full of incels

they won't rein in excessive femoid rights and privileges, simply because it would cause PR and diplomacy problems with the rest of the feminized world

that's it, that's enough for a country's leadership to tell its men to eat shit, even in alleged based trad whatever nations

 

[Jabba The Hutt]

There is a solution.

The Cliche Mantra "We Don't Negotiate With Terrorists" Is A Lie (Everybody Does)

FOR THE MODS: No this is not a thread where I am advocating for violence so please don't misinterpret or mislabel it as such, I know you guys are currently cucked and are afraid of any bad media coverage threatening the sites possible shut down, so you are even more weary than ever these days to...

incels.is

Basically pressure society into legalizing affordable prostitution in order to not let men's sexual frustration lead to more ERs.

Also because I'm smarter than BlkPillPress, I immidiately see a big flaw with this plan:

So if incels regularly go ER to pressure society into legalizing prositution... this will not help the people who actually went ER (because they are either dead or in prison)

So this would require that some incels sacrifice themselves for the group.

And I doubt that would happen. Sacrificing yourself for a group requires some kind of religion / transcendental belief, which incels don't have.

The user BlkPillPress is a good example: He admits to being selfish, he only cares about his own pleasure.

But why would someone like that sacrifice for the group? It makes no sense.

So what he is really telling you is this: YOU should go ER, so that HE can benefit from legalized prostitution. And you fell for it.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Also because I'm smarter than BlkPillPress, I immidiately see a big flaw with this plan:

So if incels regularly go ER to pressure society into legalizing prositution... this will not help the people who actually went ER (because they are either dead or in prison)

So this would require that some incels sacrifice themselves for the group.

And I doubt that would happen. Sacrificing yourself for a group requires some kind of religion / transcendental belief, which incels don't have.

The user BlkPillPress is a good example: He admits to being selfish, he only cares about his own pleasure.

But why would someone like that sacrifice for the group? It makes no sense.

So what he is really telling you is this: YOU should go ER, so that HE can benefit from legalized prostitution. And you fell for it.

Yes, but they don't actually don't have to go ER. They can just threaten society (with something to back it up) into legalizing it, or go ER covertly without having to put yourself out there al la Unabomber.

 

[Jabba The Hutt]

Yes, but they don't actually don't have to go ER. They can just threaten society (with something to back it up) into legalizing it, or go ER covertly without having to put yourself out there al la Unabomber.

yeah but even the Unabomber got caught in the end and he was a genius.
Incels as a group aren't organized enough to achieve political change in the real world

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

yeah but even the Unabomber got caught in the end and he was a genius.
Incels as a group aren't organized enough to achieve political change in the real world

Yeah, but that was only because after he sent his manifesto his brother managed to track him down based on his writing style.

 

[Nickellanthanum]

We should have an annual purge, or have a revolution of some sort.
I disagree that changes can't happen in our life time. The arab spring took place recently, and there was a study that said the only thing needed for radical change was for 3.5% of the population to protest.
Now with that said, doing things within or outside of the confines of the law is kind of irrelevant if it acheives our common end goal.
One idea I have had recently is that all incels could coordinate bank runs by withdrawing all our money, or we could pull some gamestop ape type of shit by shorting stocks or whatever the fuck it was.
Now outside the law... we could have a purge day in video games of course, where we all set fires everywhere lmfao and do basically everything we want in video games.

 

[Nickellanthanum]

yeah but even the Unabomber got caught in the end and he was a genius.
Incels as a group aren't organized enough to achieve political change in the real world

Incels need to coordinate, or at least better coordinate and unify instead of all these stupid petty squabbles we're having and MAKE CHANGE!

 

[Don Vito]

There is a solution.

The Cliche Mantra "We Don't Negotiate With Terrorists" Is A Lie (Everybody Does)

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incels.is

Basically pressure society into legalizing affordable prostitution in order to not let men's sexual frustration lead to more ERs.

This aint change anything because foids have been going for OnlyFans. Causing an hyperinflation of pussy in the prostitute realms.

 

[NoMoreHope]

If what OP says is true, then still NoFap > Escortmaxxing any day. Don't be a slave to whores. Let alone giving them your money