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Discussion Honestly now, any (actual) left-winger incels here?

Are you a leftist?


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And I don't mean nazbol or some other nationalist shit. I mean like actually leftist (socialist, anarchist). I feel like to be a progressive/leftist you don't have to be woke, but you also have to value equality and equity amongst human in general. I don't agree with right-wing concepts because I don't believe in hierarchy and I believe all hierarchies should be deconstructed.

It's also why I personally believe the modern left is a joke. There's no unity and their goals aren't clear at all and the focus has shifted more to virtue signaling than actually doing good for the world. I don't know what I expected, and honestly it feels like it only contributes to the growth of the right than fighting it.

Just wanting to know if there are any actual leftists here. Feeling a bit isolated because everyone is either centrist, apolitical, conservative or white nationalist.
 
Leftism is a mental illness. You have to be fucked in the head to even buy into the left's narratives.
 
i'm not a leftist, but not a rightist either, and wouldn't call myself a "centralist".

politics don't matter in the end, its still the same deep state running the show behind the curtains.
 
Leftism is a mental illness. You have to be fucked in the head to even buy into the left's narratives.
I believe the same thing but for the right. The thing is that for the right it actually has proof behind it because loneliness is associated with right-wing views.
 
And I don't mean nazbol or some other nationalist shit. I mean like actually leftist (socialist, anarchist). I feel like to be a progressive/leftist you don't have to be woke, but you also have to value equality and equity amongst human in general. I don't agree with right-wing concepts because I don't believe in hierarchy and I believe all hierarchies should be deconstructed.

It's also why I personally believe the modern left is a joke. There's no unity and their goals aren't clear at all and the focus has shifted more to virtue signaling than actually doing good for the world. I don't know what I expected, and honestly it feels like it only contributes to the growth of the right than fighting it.

Just wanting to know if there are any actual leftists here. Feeling a bit isolated because everyone is either centrist, apolitical, conservative or white nationalist.
My leftism ends with the fact that I believe that the rich should pay more taxes and that's it. Otherwise, I am against communism, against the squeezing of property from people only in favor of the state (as communism prescribes, namely the complete withdrawal of the means of production from their owners) I am against feminism, I am against multiculturalism and globalism, and communism is multicultural and globalistic in its essence.
 
No equality for your genes
 
I feel like to be a progressive/leftist you don't have to be woke, but you also have to value equality and equity amongst human in general
"You don't have to be woke, but you have to be woke"
 
I am not altogether on anybody’s side, because nobody is altogether on my side
 
I believe the same thing but for the right. The thing is that for the right it actually has proof behind it because loneliness is associated with right-wing views.
Loneliness is neither a mental illness nor necessarily indicative of mental illness. Meanwhile there are studies suggesting progressives (or at least white progressives) have impaired threat detection instincts, lower disgust sensitivity, and both a race-based (for whites) and gender-based (for men) out-group preference, which is not remotely normal
 
And I don't mean nazbol or some other nationalist shit. I mean like actually leftist (socialist, anarchist). I feel like to be a progressive/leftist you don't have to be woke, but you also have to value equality and equity amongst human in general. I don't agree with right-wing concepts because I don't believe in hierarchy and I believe all hierarchies should be deconstructed.

It's also why I personally believe the modern left is a joke. There's no unity and their goals aren't clear at all and the focus has shifted more to virtue signaling than actually doing good for the world. I don't know what I expected, and honestly it feels like it only contributes to the growth of the right than fighting it.

Just wanting to know if there are any actual leftists here. Feeling a bit isolated because everyone is either centrist, apolitical, conservative or white nationalist.
The left-wing political environment is extremely toxic. The left will furiously destroy each other like Catholics and Protestants in the 16th century. This has already happened twice in the 20th century, when Stalinists and Trotskyists exterminated each other, or pro-Soviet Communists and Maoists fought each other. The fact that the left now has a consensus: hatred of white heterosexual men, does not mean that it will not fall apart due to different forces (women, racial minorities and sexual minorities simply will not fight with each other for privileges.)
 
The world is not a battleground of ideas or policy, it's a battle of tribes. The bolshevik revolution was a pogrom by jews against whites, financed by jewish capitalists from the west. All the talk of equality is a trojan horse for other tribes who want to destroy your institutions and replace them with their own.
 
yes, but I don't feel comfortable calling myself a left winger due to me not being part of any revolutionary party or organization
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And I don't mean nazbol or some other nationalist shit. I mean like actually leftist (socialist, anarchist). I feel like to be a progressive/leftist you don't have to be woke, but you also have to value equality and equity amongst human in general. I don't agree with right-wing concepts because I don't believe in hierarchy and I believe all hierarchies should be deconstructed.

It's also why I personally believe the modern left is a joke. There's no unity and their goals aren't clear at all and the focus has shifted more to virtue signaling than actually doing good for the world. I don't know what I expected, and honestly it feels like it only contributes to the growth of the right than fighting it.

Just wanting to know if there are any actual leftists here. Feeling a bit isolated because everyone is either centrist, apolitical, conservative or white nationalist.
I'm a nationalist
 
I hate richfags, want to limit inheritance, control tax evasion, lower economic inequalities, limit private property for richfags

Is that enough?
 
My leftism ends with the fact that I believe that the rich should pay more taxes and that's it. Otherwise, I am against communism, against the squeezing of property from people only in favor of the state (as communism prescribes, namely the complete withdrawal of the means of production from their owners) I am against feminism, I am against multiculturalism and globalism, and communism is multicultural and globalistic in its essence.
I hate richfags, want to limit inheritance, control tax evasion, lower economic inequalities, limit private property for richfags

Is that enough?
So basically culturally/socially right wing and economically left wing?
 
So basically culturally/socially right wing and economically left wing?
I don't really think it's very possible to be culturally right wing and economically left wing... at best one could be culturally neutral and economically left-wing but right-wing cultural traits extend to anti-equality concepts such as eugenics, hierarchies, racism, all stuff that the left seeks to dismantle. When extending to cultural leftism you could say it's akin to defending homosexuality and gender politics. I do find that these go too far and there's definitely a phenomena of capitalism appropriating it to push sales and common degeneracy (deviancy) but I am of the opinion that gender roles are extremely punishing and I am fine with them being dismantled.

I hate richfags, want to limit inheritance, control tax evasion, lower economic inequalities, limit private property for richfags

Is that enough?
Perhaps, but leftism seeks to dismantle hierarchies all together. That means being orientated towards social causes as well and activim for less priviliged groups. It is not a bad thing but the modern left makes it seem like it is due to obnoxiousness, identity politics and shallow-mindedness (not like the right-wing is any better but it is the status quo).

Loneliness is neither a mental illness nor necessarily indicative of mental illness. Meanwhile there are studies suggesting progressives (or at least white progressives) have impaired threat detection instincts, lower disgust sensitivity, and both a race-based (for whites) and gender-based (for men) out-group preference, which is not remotely normal
Science also says that right-wingers are more likely to have lower emotional intelligence, lower empathy, etc. All things that are very important for a human being and (in my personal opinion) count towards overall intelligence as well. So I do not see what's your point, because by this point right-wing thoughts are essentially just reactionarism for reactionarism sake, against progress and a better world because people are comfortable in their positions/status quo.

The left-wing political environment is extremely toxic. The left will furiously destroy each other like Catholics and Protestants in the 16th century. This has already happened twice in the 20th century, when Stalinists and Trotskyists exterminated each other, or pro-Soviet Communists and Maoists fought each other. The fact that the left now has a consensus: hatred of white heterosexual men, does not mean that it will not fall apart due to different forces (women, racial minorities and sexual minorities simply will not fight with each other for privileges.)
I think the left is far more united than before, so I'll just have to say you're wrong on this one. I'd go as far as saying that right-wingers are more divided than ever (alt-right, conservacucks, libertarians) because of traditions being dismantled and the rise of secularism as well as the increasing usage of the internet (which I personally think allows for more caring thought and conversation than the outside world, where let's say for example homeless people are subject to prejudice from the upper classes).

What I'm afraid of is the petulancy of the modern left, which really contributes to the rise in political power of the modern right. The left is too antagonistic and tribalist and it alienates people (most notably men, incels, white men) from it.
 
control tax evasion,
They buy the local ministers
lower economic inequalities,
My taxes go to greedy politicians, lazy fuckers and 2 sides of a war I don’t agree with. I’d rather make my money (from construction) and invest into sport, music, small local businesses to help other escape poverty than fund the previous
limit private property for richfags
Yeah the government built on farmland and all the rich bought them all to rent at ridiculous prices so I get this point
My points are relating to Jersey, France and UK might be different
 
yes, but I don't feel comfortable calling myself a left winger due to me not being part of any revolutionary party or organization
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Why not? Tbh i think as long as you sympathize with the concepts then you can call yourself a left-winger. You don't need to be an activist, capitalist society is very draining on the working class and tiring.

Also if the opportunity arises as long as you aid the revolution then it's fine
 
Science also says that right-wingers are more likely to have lower emotional intelligence, lower empathy, etc. All things that are very important for a human being and (in my personal opinion) count towards overall intelligence as well. So I do not see what's your point, because by this point right-wing thoughts are essentially just reactionarism for reactionarism sake, against progress and a better world because people are comfortable in their positions/status quo.
I'm strongly against "science" as an institution since it's completely political and they will defend what (((they))) want them to defend. It just changes depending of society context, science used to say that faggots and troons are mentally ill people and now that cultural marxism has been implemented, science supports this shit and all the woke ideas, including the denial of gender differences.
Science also used to say that there are very different races and now they say that races don't exist. It just depends of society context, science isn't independent to politics. And also it's used as a fallacy in an argument, soycucks always say "science say it :soy: :soy:" to make people believe that what they say is true.
 
I'm strongly against "science" as an institution since it's completely political and they will defend what (((they))) want them to defend. It just changes depending of society context, science used to say that faggots and troons are mentally ill people and now that cultural marxism has been implemented, science supports this shit and all the woke ideas, including the denial of gender differences.
Science also used to say that there are very different races and now they say that races don't exist. It just depends of society context, science isn't independent to politics. And also it's used as a fallacy in an argument, soycucks always say "science say it :soy: :soy:" to make people believe that what they say is true.
But he used research as well?
 
Yes. The social democratic economy and the extreme right-wing culture and social structure.
Social Democracy isn't leftist though. It's a centrist (what you'd call centre-left) and a reformist ideology. Leftism is revolutionary.

Also, that has already been tried over here in my country under a dictatorship in the 20th century. Safe to say, it's utter shit and totalitarian (the president--a dictator, did censorship on the press and had much political opposition silenced--although he is well liked due to populism).
 
Social Democracy isn't leftist though. It's a centrist (what you'd call centre-left) and a reformist ideology. Leftism is revolutionary.

Also, that has already been tried over here in my country under a dictatorship in the 20th century. Safe to say, it's utter shit and totalitarian (the president--a dictator, did censorship on the press and had much political opposition silenced--although he is well liked due to populism).
Still better than the military dictatorship though. Like, much, much better.
 
Social Democracy isn't leftist though. It's a centrist (what you'd call centre-left) and a reformist ideology. Leftism is revolutionary.

Also, that has already been tried over here in my country under a dictatorship in the 20th century. Safe to say, it's utter shit and totalitarian (the president--a dictator, did censorship on the press and had much political opposition silenced--although he is well liked due to populism).
90% of the forum defend reactionary views in social values including myself.
Conservatives are dumb because they try to keep the status quo while leftists keep implementing their ideas when they govern and when conservatives govern they don't revert the left laws.
 
Why not? Tbh i think as long as you sympathize with the concepts then you can call yourself a left-winger. You don't need to be an activist, capitalist society is very draining on the working class and tiring.
My reasoning is that its pretty much LARP (or at least feels like LARP) until I do something for the movement, however small. But you're right tbh.
 
90% of the forum defend reactionary views in social values including myself.
Conservatives are dumb because they try to keep the status quo while leftists keep implementing their ideas when they govern and when conservatives govern they don't revert the left laws.
Reactionarism does worse than preserving status quo, it actively seeks to return us to a society where there were even bigger hierarchies and inequality present. What it proposes is essentially some ultra corporatist class-cooperative society and inequality among various things (racism, gender inequality, etc). And see, while I know that gender inequality is seen as a good thing over here, it harms men more than it does women. When you set women to a lower standard, you automatically set men to a higher one.

There's also racism in which nationalism seeks to stop global cooperation and interdependency, which sucks for poorer/exploited countries.

The best way to go is progressivism, like it or not. Like I said, I am not talking about woke-ism (woke progressives, or "progressives"). That is essentially just modern-day left virtue-signaling and petulancy.
 
Social Democracy isn't leftist though. It's a centrist (what you'd call centre-left) and a reformist ideology. Leftism is revolutionary.

Also, that has already been tried over here in my country under a dictatorship in the 20th century. Safe to say, it's utter shit and totalitarian (the president--a dictator, did censorship on the press and had much political opposition silenced--although he is well liked due to populism).
Nonsense. Complete bullshit. You can see the countries where communism won and then it was reborn into an absolutely wild capitalism (Russia is an example) well, the countries of eastern Europe with the exception of East Germany (since West Germany invested a lot of money in the East to mitigate the pain of the transition) and you can look at Sweden or Norway, where the Social Democrats were strong for most of the 20th century. Social democracy is a leftist ideology in economic terms. Centrism is a Christian democracy. Leftist communists will kill each other, it always has been and always will be. Communists are fanatics. The Social Democrats are realists. You can never kill capitalism, you can only humanize it. If you take factories away from their owners, the business will die and the workers will remain unemployed, but if you take 40% of the profit from the factory owner, he will continue to work successfully, and this money will be used for infrastructure, education and medicine.
 
Nonsense. Complete bullshit. You can see the countries where communism won and then it was reborn into an absolutely wild capitalism (Russia is an example) well, the countries of eastern Europe with the exception of East Germany (since West Germany invested a lot of money in the East to mitigate the pain of the transition) and you can look at Sweden or Norway, where the Social Democrats were strong for most of the 20th century. Social democracy is a leftist ideology in economic terms. Centrism is a Christian democracy. Leftist communists will kill each other, it always has been and always will be. Communists are fanatics. The Social Democrats are realists. You can never kill capitalism, you can only humanize it. If you take factories away from their owners, the business will die and the workers will remain unemployed, but if you take 40% of the profit from the factory owner, he will continue to work successfully, and this money will be used for infrastructure, education and medicine.
Your point essentially:
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I'm neutral. Don't believe in any ideology.
 
Social Democracy isn't leftist though. It's a centrist (what you'd call centre-left) and a reformist ideology. Leftism is revolutionary.

Also, that has already been tried over here in my country under a dictatorship in the 20th century. Safe to say, it's utter shit and totalitarian (the president--a dictator, did censorship on the press and had much political opposition silenced--although he is well liked due to populism).
Social democracy and communism were a united movement before World War I, where the Social Democrats supported the introduction of war by their country, and the Communists boycotted the war efforts of their countries. And also in the October Revolution, when the Social Democrats accused the Bolsheviks of a bandit seizure of power, as the Bolsheviks lost the elections to the Constituent Assembly. Social democracy can create a normal state, but communism creates only shit and ruin, which sooner or later will die and be reborn into the most cruel type of capitalism.
 
I will vote the party that makes euthanisia legal and leftist are more willing to do that than the other retards.
 
Well alright then. from the results of this poll I feel like my suspicions are confirmed. Normies basically conflate inceldom and right-wing ideology as the same thing because we have a very high tendency to fall down the alt-right pipeline. What confirms this for me even more is the fact that even I went through this on my "politics obsessed" phase of my life.

I was obsessed with political compasses, politics, and traditionalism and changing the world. The alt-right has a really good efficiency rate of making the minds of the more alienated due to its focus on "society not being right because it's changing, we need to bring it back" when it's actually the opposite. Works splendid from a young age--more impressionable and etc. and consolidating already conservative views (even easier on autistic men, when alienated, leaning towards egocentrism as a defense mechanism).

However, I do not agree with it at all--I believe that the push towards reactionary views on this site is ultimately harmful towards incels as a whole. One of the most basic examples (which I can see some other incels agreeing on me with no matter political position) is users trying to disguise pro-life and natalism as a good thing (subtly, not referencing any specific users or posts but I can see it's not viewed as negatively as other things). If anything we should be the ones to see that it isn't because we don't even get to breed. And after that there's the self-hate, referring to ourselves as subhuman when that's basically the view society (capitalist, status-quo, violent) has pushed onto us. I might make a post about this sometime soon.
 
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Social democracy and communism were a united movement before World War I, where the Social Democrats supported the introduction of war by their country, and the Communists boycotted the war efforts of their countries. And also in the October Revolution, when the Social Democrats accused the Bolsheviks of a bandit seizure of power, as the Bolsheviks lost the elections to the Constituent Assembly. Social democracy can create a normal state, but communism creates only shit and ruin, which sooner or later will die and be reborn into the most cruel type of capitalism.
The social democrats were initially radical, but as time went by they moved away from Marxism; the first deviation (alongside the supporting of inter-imperialist war) was supporting reform as a legitimate path towards communism/socialism. Afterwards, the term "social democrat" only became more and more diluted. Social democrats nowadays have no radicalism, they just support Bismarck style concessions to the proles; not an ounce of class struggle lives in their hearts.

So maybe left-leaning but hardly leftist.
 
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Science also says that right-wingers are more likely to have lower emotional intelligence,
You sure?

Progressives have smaller amygdalas:

Which not only impede threat detection and judge of character, but also emotional intelligence:

Don't mean to gish-gallop, but since you brought up the subject of mental illness in a previous response, I feel it's also worth bringing up that leftists are indeed more mentally ill on average:
lower empathy,
Excessive empathy is absolutely a maladaptive and dysgenic trait.
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^ This is not at all normal. Favoring parasitic out-groups who despise oneself over one's own kind is the furthest thing from "intelligence." Goes with the impaired threat detection instincts I brought up earlier.

There's also more than one study showing that liberal/leftist males have a negative in-group bias (aka a pro-female out-group bias), but I'm too lazy to dig that far into my bookmarks. You don't need a study to confirm that anyway; soycucks make it EXCEEDINGLY obvious with their behavior.
So I do not see what's your point, because by this point right-wing thoughts are essentially just reactionarism for reactionarism sake,
Ik English isn't your first language but how is that your takeaway? Better threat detection and higher disgust senstivity in right-wingers shows a generally better survival instinct, not "reactionarism for reactionarism sake." And it's not like this isn't grounded in reality: at least in a Western context, ethnic minorities disproportionately account for crime, are net negative taxpayers on average, and are openly spiteful and ethnocentric (shows in various behaviors from the constant bitching about white people to the nepotism in hiring and beyond). There's also the subject of the LGBT movement, which left-wingers are FAR more likely to uncritically support despite its basically going mask-off about being a pedo movement in the past few years.
against progress and a better world because people are comfortable in their positions/status quo.
What constitutes a "better world" is highly subjective. I and many others do not see brown tranny hellworld as a "better world"
 
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Reactionarism does worse than preserving status quo, it actively seeks to return us to a society where there were even bigger hierarchies and inequality present. What it proposes is essentially some ultra corporatist class-cooperative society and inequality among various things (racism, gender inequality, etc). And see, while I know that gender inequality is seen as a good thing over here, it harms men more than it does women. When you set women to a lower standard, you automatically set men to a higher one.

There's also racism in which nationalism seeks to stop global cooperation and interdependency, which sucks for poorer/exploited countries.

The best way to go is progressivism, like it or not. Like I said, I am not talking about woke-ism (woke progressives, or "progressives"). That is essentially just modern-day left virtue-signaling and petulancy.
Disagree
 
Reactionarism does worse than preserving status quo, it actively seeks to return us to a society where there were even bigger hierarchies and inequality present. What it proposes is essentially some ultra corporatist class-cooperative society and inequality among various things (racism, gender inequality, etc). And see, while I know that gender inequality is seen as a good thing over here, it harms men more than it does women. When you set women to a lower standard, you automatically set men to a higher one.

There's also racism in which nationalism seeks to stop global cooperation and interdependency, which sucks for poorer/exploited countries.

The best way to go is progressivism, like it or not. Like I said, I am not talking about woke-ism (woke progressives, or "progressives"). That is essentially just modern-day left virtue-signaling and petulancy.
I don't believe everyone are equals
 
All it takes is a quick google search on studies to see that leftists do have more emotional intelligence. I do not know about the amygdala thing but I have more amygdala activity than average, something which is pretty common in highly sensitive people. Right-wing and highly sensitive simply do not fit with each other. Don't even need to back it up with this one, it's just common sense.
^ This is not at all normal. Favoring parasitic out-groups who despise oneself over one's own kind is the furthest thing from "intelligence." Goes with the impaired threat detection instincts I brought up earlier.
I'd rather use psychology for this, but fit for survival doesn't equal good for society. Survival is something that humans overcome, hence the ways we change nature and get past it. Human life is to fight nature, because nature tries to kill us. What you're arguing for is bringing us back to a state where survival = good. No, it does not equal good. It inhibits progress and forces us to evolve. It's neutral at best, and this is why we should continue to progress. And I don't see it as despising one kind. See me for example? If you saw me in real life, you'd assume me a third-worlder monkey--yet here I am speaking formal english with you arguing about this topic.
Ik English isn't your first language but how is that your takeaway? Better threat detection and higher disgust senstivity in right-wingers shows a generally better survival instinct, not "reactionarism for reactionarism sake." And it's not like this isn't grounded in reality: at least in a Western context, ethnic minorities disproportionately account for crime, are net negative taxpayers on average, and are openly spiteful and ethnocentric (shows in various behaviors from the constant bitching about white people to the nepotism in hiring and beyond). There's also the subject of the LGBT movement, which left-wingers are FAR more likely to uncritically support despite its basically going mask-off about being a pedo movement in the past few years.

What constitutes a "better world" is highly subjective. I and many others do not see brown tranny hellworld as a "better world"
You talk about this from a priviliged first-world point of view. I come from a third-world country where there's a clear disproportional wealth inequality that's tied to race, racist history, and whitening of the country. It's the whole reason my country is so miscigenated. I don't know why you expected the exploited people with the lack of opportunity to be better evolved and have more achievements than the ones who had more opportunities for development. It's not like that matters now though.

I feel as if global connection and interculturalism should make up for many of the problems we've had related to retrogade ethnic cultures. And even if there's a connection between race and criminality statistics and whatever, I heavily doubt it's as related as I've seen many intelligent people in my country who had even more ethnic features than me. As well as dumb, impulsive whites. You don't see that over there because you've been segregated for a long time, and only now that is changing.
 
All it takes is a quick google search on studies to see that leftists do have more emotional intelligence. I do not know about the amygdala thing but I have more amygdala activity than average, something which is pretty common in highly sensitive people. Right-wing and highly sensitive simply do not fit with each other. Don't even need to back it up with this one, it's just common sense.

I'd rather use psychology for this, but fit for survival doesn't equal good for society. Survival is something that humans overcome, hence the ways we change nature and get past it. Human life is to fight nature, because nature tries to kill us. What you're arguing for is bringing us back to a state where survival = good. No, it does not equal good. It inhibits progress and forces us to evolve. It's neutral at best, and this is why we should continue to progress. And I don't see it as despising one kind. See me for example? If you saw me in real life, you'd assume me a third-worlder monkey--yet here I am speaking formal english with you arguing about this topic.

You talk about this from a priviliged first-world point of view. I come from a third-world country where there's a clear disproportional wealth inequality that's tied to race, racist history, and whitening of the country. It's the whole reason my country is so miscigenated. I don't know why you expected the exploited people with the lack of opportunity to be better evolved and have more achievements than the ones who had more opportunities for development. It's not like that matters now though.

I feel as if global connection and interculturalism should make up for many of the problems we've had related to retrogade ethnic cultures. And even if there's a connection between race and criminality statistics and whatever, I heavily doubt it's as related as I've seen many intelligent people in my country who had even more ethnic features than me. As well as dumb, impulsive whites. You don't see that over there because you've been segregated for a long time, and only now that is changing.
I meant interculturalism instead of multiculturalism, my bad. But the end goal of multiculturalism should be interculturalism.
 
Can’t wait to hop in this after i’m done with this four hour car ride
 
Can’t wait to hop in this after i’m done with this four hour car ride
I'll problably be making more left-wing posts on the politics and philosophy section after this thread. There's way too much far-right content and not enough pushback.
 
I'll problably be making more left-wing posts on the politics and philosophy section after this thread. There's way too much far-right content and not enough pushback.
Left wing in social values is completely retarded.
 
Left wing in social values is completely retarded.
Right-wing propaganda makes it seem that way. It makes sense if you actively look for stuff that argues against your views instead of putting yourself in an echo chamber. It took me several changes in thought process until I came to the conclusion that it's not.
 

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