"First of all, men are NOT lying about their sex lives in surveys."
Coooooooooope. Those surveys are done in person most of the time and the sex questions are just part of bigger surveys. When it comes to the sex-related part, men stary lying to make themselves look good and not pathetic.
For example, men who weren't hooked up to a fake lie detector reported having more sexual partners than those who were.
www.apa.org
Do you round up, or down?
www.dmarge.com
"Most people irl never judged me for being a virgin"
No, you just didn't noticed/didn't want to notice how being a virgin at your age made them start acting differently than before they knew this about you. THIS or/and you don't know how men are actually judged by this trait especially in their adulthood.
"doesn’t mean you’ll become violently murdered for being a virgin"
Nice exaggeration to "PROVE" your point. If it was cool to be a virgin as a male, men wouldn't lie so much about having sex as I proved above that they do. Being an adult male virgin creates negative halo effect around you, whether you see it's results or not. And if you actually, factually never experienced those results, in 99% of cases you would so your example is not an indicator of a trend (or lack thereof in this case).
"Second, surveys certainly won’t care if you’re a virgin. If that was the case, then the percent of men who never fucked in year would’ve never increased"
As I showed above - this IS the case. It's just that with more men becoming virgins, sexless in our society, men tend to find out this about each other and seeing the pattern, thus less men are afraid to tell the truth, especially those who are having zero sex, but the group of "lying ones" is still there so the numbers of sexless men didn't deplete. It's just that more men are open to telling the truth while more men are sexless now and those who are sexless now but wouldn't be 5 years ago are the new liars (the 5s and 6s). These groups are not used to being sexless.
"Most men ARE sexually active. Deal with it."
Again, gonna need citation for this one that is legit but there isn't one. You wanted to admit 50% of men are having sex? Look at that female-male rating chart above. Real male rating should be as male-to-female rating, this is the actual representation of all men as well as women (but hypergamy, of course). The 50% are the ones on the right, for the sake of it, I will imply the few 3s and 4s who are having sex do not exist and the few 7s and 8s that do not, dont exist either cause they even things out. So you have 9-10s on the righ, then 8-9s, then 7-8s and you are already at 40%. THIS is what I'm willing to give, that 40% of men are having pretty regular sex today, the 7s and above. The rest 10% belongs to some lucky 6s and below. And it proves how 5s are fucked since the middle column which represents 4s,5s,6s is the biggest number so obviously, most of it will be 4s and 6s combined, not 5s. 6s are making most of that 10% that we have left, the rest are some lucky 5s. But this is still true only if we accept this very optimistic number of 50%.
"Also, the data you showed says 39% of relationships are from online and yes I saw with my own eyes that it’s mostly from DESKTOP COMPUTER dating sites NOT apps like tinder."
The 39% is from 2017. We have 2020. And covid shit. Dating websites are almost dead and read my post again about what they actually are (fishing for cucked betabuxers part).Even if that would be the case, still, online dating is online dating. Foid doesn't change her personality between okcupid vs tinder. The numbers can't be bigger though for dating sites than for badoo+tinder since the latter DESTROY the former in terms of active users.
" also, women on dating websites are a lot pickier than irl. If this was how women irl were then 80% of men would be incel which is clearly bs "
YES, the numbers ARE coming close to this with the rising popularity of online dating and diminished popularity of other ways to get into relationships. ESPECIALLY with what covid did. Close to 100% of foids even if some of them are open to getting to know men IRL as well, already have tinder installed and Chad's dick at the reach of their hand. More and more will be leaning towards online dating ONLY sooner than later and then the number is indeed going to be at almost 100% of them (90% is a safe bet). Also there is no indicator of this sentence of yours even being the truth. Just because they may be less likely to say no IRL, comes merely from their ability to say no ONLINE. They are more scared IRL and even if they may want to say NO, they may say YES in the heat of the moment. They are scared to get raped/fucked up by the guy IRL, but they are still not interested in him. Then all the unhappy relationships come from this, where the guy is a cuck and a betabuxxing simp and the foid fucks Chad behind his back and may throw her pussy once a year for him. "B-B-BUT HE'S A SEX HAVER!!!! SEE? ONLINE IS DIFFERENT THAN REAL LIFE!!!"
AGAIN, easier to pay a prostitute, so those guys who use prostitutes are also not actually incel by this logic. And since anyone can get a prostitute, they are cheap enough, NOBODY IS INCEL and this forum should be closed! This is your logic on bluepills. You are either 7/10+, or you are not in a happy relationship with actual access to sex.
You are a massive bluepilled coper. Don't respond to my post again with the same shit or else you will get blocked. No proofs, no charts, no arguments, just denial of what I'm posting is not going to be tolerated by me, since I destroyed your opinion with actual facts, charts and data. "No, is not" is not a counterargument.