Discussion Have you noticed feminists' and cucks' shift in tone about how feminism affects men, particularly unattractive men?

[Q. H. Cooks]

Since I can remember, feminism has been promoted as something that would help everyone, men or women. Men would "finally be able to open up about their emotions" (JFL, as if anyone cared about men's emotions, particularly if sub5), sex would naturally "trickle down" to reach men who don't conform to standards supposedly forged by patriarchy, etc.

But recently, I've been noticing a shift in tone whenever the topic of feminism x men (particularly sub5 men, particularly incels) gets brought up. I see feminists and cucks saying stuff along the lines of "men are grieving the loss of privileges they had with the decrease in patriarchy's power (but will eventually get used to it, I promise, teehee)" and unprecedented admissions that feminism did cause a lot of bad stuff but "it's better that women have freedom to make bad choices than having them tied up to a husband they don't love through patriarchy" and such.

I don't think anything will change for the better for men, particularly sub5 men, anytime soon — not before the West completely falls to Islam or to a major economic collapse, at least — but still, I find it interesting that the problems feminism caused are getting way too big to be simply swept under the rug and feminists and cucks are finally changing to damage control mode.

 

[citycel]

At least they’re finally admitting it. Thats a good first step.

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

"it's better that women have freedom to make bad choices than having them tied up to a husband they don't love through patriarchy"

Excessive freedom — for both men and women, but especially women — is something people foolishly perceive as a beneficial thing, yet all it does is bring suffering, decadence, and degeneracy. Freedom must be restricted in any respectable society.

 

[Reverend Insanity]

The fact that if you get a divorce the bitch gets half your money, the you gotta pay child support for the kids and will always lose custody battle proves that feminists won.

Also a huge number of females are taught to hate men. This means that betabuxing is not only incredibly risky but also cringe.

Now for everything else the average man has to compete against the top 10% men like a small tier start-up competing against a multi national company.

 

[Q. H. Cooks]

Excessive freedom — for both men and women, but especially women — is something people foolishly perceive as a beneficial thing, yet all it does is bring suffering, decadence, and degeneracy. Freedom must be restricted in any respectable society.

True. They like to stress autonomy and personal choices as if the choices they defend didn't affect anyone but the individual making them, but this clearly isn't true with feminism. Low bith rates, unprecedented increases in single motherhood, etc.

 

[Reverend Insanity]

Excessive freedom — for both men and women, but especially women — is something people foolishly perceive as a beneficial thing, yet all it does is bring suffering, decadence, and degeneracy. Freedom must be restricted in any respectable society.

There is nothing wrong with freedom but the probelm is that freedom of certain people aka inkwells are restricted but Chads and foids have unlimited freedom.

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

There is nothing wrong with freedom but the probelm is that freedom of certain people aka inkwells are restricted but Chads and foids have unlimited freedom.

If you zoom out, the problem isn’t that some people have more freedom than others, since that’s just a symptom of it. The problem is the idea that freedom is inherently good, which is one of the most fundamental tenets of most garbage modern ideologies; this inevitably leads to societies similar to the ones we currently have, since unrestricted freedom produces hierarchy, decadence, and rot. For a society to properly function and have cohesion (and not end up atomized), you need to draw lines and set limits. Because when those disappear, freedom naturally concentrates in the hands of those with the most power and status, or in this case favorable genetic material.

 

[St3v3Cel]

If you zoom out, the problem isn’t that some people have more freedom than others, since that’s just a symptom of it. The problem is the idea that freedom is inherently good, which is one of the most fundamental tenets of most garbage modern ideologies; this inevitably leads to societies similar to the ones we currently have, since unrestricted freedom produces hierarchy, decadence, and rot. For a society to properly function and have cohesion (and not end up atomized), you need to draw lines and set limits. Because when those disappear, freedom naturally concentrates in the hands of those with the most power and status, or in this case favorable genetic material.

Modern "Freedom" Means Being a Slave to Impulses.

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

Modern "Freedom" Means Being a Slave to Impulses.

Yep.

 

[Q. H. Cooks]

Modern "Freedom" Means Being a Slave to Impulses.

High IQ. "Licentiousness" is a much more accurate word to describe what libtards refer to as "freedom".

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

At least they’re finally admitting it. Thats a good first step.

 

[Hoodpreet]

The idea that feminism “benefits men” is based on the notion that male disposability is endemic and/or inherent to patriarchy. When the truth is we see clear examples of pretty much EVERY matriarchal soyciety having the same exact disposability streak (HGs, pre-colonial SSAs and Indigenous NAs, etc.) and clear examples of patriarchies that don’t treat men as disposable (Biraderi clan system in Pakistan)

 

[St3v3Cel]

High IQ. "Licentiousness" is a much more accurate word to describe what libtards refer to as "freedom".

 

[St3v3Cel]

Modern "Freedom" Means Being a Slave to Impulses.

https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/modern-freedom-means-being-a-slave-to-impulses/

 

[EcstasyCel]

Women are too easily brainwashed for me to ever think a woman's choice was actually autonomously decided by HER. That's the problem.

People are already putting pressure on her to make you her biggest enemy, especially if you are significantly older than her or non-NT, there's no length that the shaming against her won't go to.

Feminists completely IGNORE the pressure that the state, their family and their peers put on them to behave a certain way. I've known this girl ever since she was a 10 year old kid and I noticed how sweet and pure she used to be compared to now. They did a complete overhaul on her to turn her into a political spearhead.

 

[TooSomething]

At least they’re finally admitting it. Thats a good first step.

All foids and male feminists must die. No discussion.

Mankind must end, once and for all.