Blackpill [Hard To Swallow Edition] - Women Were Not Happier Under A Patriarchy, They Are Happier Today More Than Ever Before

[BlkPillPres]

This is another cope that needs to be ended, one that is widely held by traditionalists

Today women get to ride the cock carousel and still have a beta provider waiting for them at the end of it all, rather than having to immediately settle for and pair up with said beta provider in their early years. You have to be coping to believe the "red pilled" meme of "women just want to have babies and be in committed relationships deep down, its society poisoning them"

Nope, women love fucking around, yes they want to have babies too, but now they can fuck around and have babies, and society foots the bill with taxes, women have barely any consequences to their actions today. You are coping if you think women of the past are happier than women today are, when with the swipe of a finger they can get gangbanged by chads, and have a beta pay all of their bills and support their lifestyle, all with barely any effort

You grab the average woman from the patriarchal past and place her in the present, and give her a year of living like a modern woman, and when presented with the option of going back, SHE WILL REFUSE, and it won't be because she'll miss the technological advancements

WOMEN OBVIOUSLY WEREN'T HAPPIER WITH RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR CHOICES, SEXUAL HABITS, WEALTH ACCUMULATION, ETC.

Believing otherwise is just a cope men give themselves so they can think there is still hope of returning to the "good times":

If only we could just show women "what they are missing out on" and show them why they are now "unhappy", its also a cope by men so that they can hold onto the false concept of the "wholesome woman", that "deep down" they are good, and we just need to "remind them"

JFL, they aren't unhappy, the only thing women have deep down is more room in their cunt for chad cock

Any man who doesn't realize that women today are happier than they have ever been is LYING TO THEMSELVES

They will site articles about women who had their eggs frozen to pursue their careers and now they can't have children because something went wrong, and they'll cope

SEEEEE SEEEEEE, they only realize to late what they really wanted deep down, this is our revenge on women JFL, watch them suffer

JFL at these copes

No you fucking idiot, they wanted both, they wanted to have their cake and eat it too, that failure in their life doesn't mean they didn't want to be a whore and fuck Chads endlessly, that failure doesn't mean they didn't enjoy the past successes (successes in their book)

Coping idiots like to phrase scenarios like this as women realizing that they missed out on what they really wanted, when in actuality, it was just a woman chasing after the things she wanted in her best years, and being naive thinking that she still had time to pursue her SECONDARY GOALS.

So to all the traditionalist copers, please stop it, for your own good, you know full well women are happier today, women regretting the end result of their whorish choices doesn't take away from the fact that they THOROUGHLY ENJOYED THOSE CHOICES, and if you asked any of them if they could do it over again, would they make the same choices, THEY WOULD ANSWER YES, or probably just get their beta provider earlier and cheat on him with Chad, so they can BOTH get to fuck chad and reproduce

 

[Deleted member 12355]

tldr, no stats included

https://www.nber.org/papers/w14969

you can disagree with stats all you'd like lol, your nonsensical sophistry cooked up inside your peanut brain based on infantile assumptions of power dynamics with nothing more than empty dismissals behind it (as per expected) means absolutely nothing

 

[zangano1]

I couldnt care less about women happiness

 

[Mainländer]

What about the researches that show female happiness levels are diminishing?

You grab the average woman from the patriarchal past and place her in the present, and give her a year of living like a modern woman, and when presented with the option of going back, SHE WILL REFUSE, and it won't be because she'll miss the technological advancements

That's like saying that if you got a man and made him snort cocaine a couple of times, he would afterwards want to keep using it.

What you want ins't always what makes you happy or even what's good for you, especially in the long run. A modern foid might have a blast with Chads while young, but I'd bet the old women from the past, looking at their huge families, were happier than old women are today with their cats or 2 betabuxx kids at best. And by old I mean 30-40+, not like 80+.

 

[BlkPillPres]

tldr, no stats included

https://www.nber.org/papers/w14969

1. Dude everybody has stats, this is why things have to be rationalized with logic, a debate where people just toss studies, and stats back and forth doesn't prove anything, and doesn't convey the intelligence of those debating, it only conveys the intelligence of those who actually took part in creating the academic works being cited

Women are happier without children or a spouse, says happiness expert

Behavioural scientist Paul Dolan says traditional markers of success no longer apply

www.theguardian.com

“Married people are happier than other population subgroups, but only when their spouse is in the room when they’re asked how happy they are. When the spouse is not present: fucking miserable,” he said.

“We do have some good longitudinal data following the same people over time, but I am going to do a massive disservice to that science and just say: if you’re a man, you should probably get married; if you’re a woman, don’t bother.”

Men benefited from marriage because they “calmed down”, he said. “You take less risks, you earn more money at work, and you live a little longer. She, on the other hand, has to put up with that, and dies sooner than if she never married. The healthiest and happiest population subgroup are women who never married or had children,” he said.

Dolan’s latest book, Happy Ever After, cites evidence from the American Time Use Survey (ATUS), which compared levels of pleasure and misery in unmarried, married, divorced, separated and widowed individuals. The study found that levels of happiness reported by those who were married was higher than the unmarried, but only when their spouse was in the room. Unmarried individuals reported lower levels of misery than married individuals who were asked when their spouse was not present

2. What was the criteria used to measure happiness in the stats you gave, that's extremely relevant, by what criteria is "happiness" being defined and how as the data collected, and can that data even be trusted based on its collection method, because we all know from personal experience people speak fondly about being in a relationship even when things are "rocky", especially if their significant other is present

 

[Deleted member 11032]

What about the researches that show female happiness levels are diminishing?


That's like saying that if you got a man and made him snort cocaine a couple of times, he would afterwards want to keep using it.

What you want ins't always what makes you happy or even what's good for you, especially in the long run. A modern foid might have a blast with Chads while young, but I'd bet the old women from the past, looking at their huge families, were happier than old women are today with their cats or 2 betabuxx kids at best. And by old I mean 30-40+, not like 80+.

High iq and good analogy.

 

[Deleted member 12355]

1. Dude everybody has stats, this is why things have to be rationalized with logic, a debate where people just toss studies, and stats back and forth doesn't prove anything, and doesn't convey the intelligence of those debating, it only conveys the intelligence of those who actually took part in creating the academic works being cited

Women are happier without children or a spouse, says happiness expert

Behavioural scientist Paul Dolan says traditional markers of success no longer apply

www.theguardian.com

2. What was the criteria used to measure happiness in the stats you gave, that's extremely relevant, by what criteria is "happiness" being defined and how as the data collected, and can that data even be trusted based on its collection method, because we all know from personal experience people speak fondly about being in a relationship even when things are "rocky", especially if their significant other is present

the issue is that that's not what's being discussed. You specifically made the claim that women are happier now than they were under patriarchal rule, which is something that you need to prove using facts. Arguments back and forth mean nothing if your point of departure is ultimately incorrect. You can arrange a logical system (logical in the sense that it's internally consistent) but if some of the axioms that you set up in order to arrive at your conclusion are flawed, the conclusion obviously becomes incorrect in the sense that it doesn't map unto reality despite being logically consistent. For instance, if it is within the female nature to crave submission and there are no strong patriarchal forces in society to fulfill that need, is it not reasonable to expect some sort of malfunction in the way females feel? What you're assuming is that granting females autonomy always leads to more happiness, and I can think out a plethora of ways in which this COULD be incorrect. This is why studies are needed and from what I can find, they all seem to agree with the conclusion which you called moronic

 

[BlkPillPres]

What you want ins't always what makes you happy or even what's good for you, especially in the long run.

False analogy, what if cocaine had no side effects, no withdrawal symptoms, it was like weed but with the high of cocaine, you enjoyed doing it, you wanted to do it badly, but if you didn't you could go without it for a while, even quit it, that's what being a modern woman is like, its not like a regualr drug addiction like you are trying to classify it, women face little to no consequences for being a whorish modern woman, there is no downside really and truly

A modern foid might have a blast with Chads while young, but I'd bet the old women from the past, looking at their huge families, were happier than old women are today

Its you deciding that they were happier with your own criteria for happiness, you're PROJECTING YOUR WANTS ONTO WOMEN

with their cats or 2 betabuxx kids at best. And by old I mean 30-40+, not like 80+.

Literally what I was talking about in the thread, you guys are coping, that shit is the exception to the rule, most women today get to fuck chad and easily fall back onto their plan B beta provider, still get to have children and not "die alone", and in some cases the children are Chads kids, paternity fraud is higher than ever than it was before, women are living a dream today, its a cope to tell yourself - "they pay for it in the long run"

 

[NormieKiller]

Maybe they are indeed happier (until they become middle-aged)

 

[BlkPillPres]

the issue is that that's not what's being discussed. You specifically made the claim that women are happier now than they were under patriarchal rule, which is something that you need to prove using facts. Arguments back and forth mean nothing if your point of departure is ultimately incorrect. You can arrange a logical system (logical in the sense that it's internally consistent) but if some of the axioms that you set up in order to arrive at your conclusion are flawed, the conclusion obviously becomes incorrect in the sense that it doesn't map unto reality despite being logically consistent. For instance, if it is within the female nature to crave submission and there are no strong patriarchal forces in society to fulfill that need, is it not reasonable to expect some sort of malfunction in the way females feel? What you're assuming is that granting females autonomy always leads to more happiness, and I can think out a plethora of ways in which this COULD be incorrect. This is why studies are needed and from what I can find, they all seem to agree with the conclusion which you called moronic

IDK dude, I'm also going to assert that black people weren't happier during times of slavery or segregation, their family unit may have been more stable, but they weren't happier with MORE RESTRICTIONS, nobody is ever happier with MORE RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR LIFE CHOICES, if you are seriously arguing that a fucking study and statistical data is required to say something like this, then I don't know what to tell you, I'm not going to spend hours searching up and compiling stats to argue the obvious, something that can be argued with logic

The african american community and segregation is a good parallel between women and women's rights, when both sides had their restrictions removed, their family units suffered, but their INDIVIDUAL LIVES improved, the end result of people being able to MAKE MORE CHOICES is OBVIOUSLY THE POSSIBILITY THAT MORE BAD CHOICES CAN BE MADE.

Saying that women were happier in the past is like saying a caged animal is happier since it doesn't have to deal with much predators, mabye said animal sees having to deal with predators as a decent tradeoff to having actual freedom

Maybe they are indeed happier (until they become middle-aged)

Cope, this is just another variation of the "old cat lady" meme, most women just end up with a betabux, and reproduce, even have some of Chads kids unbeknownst to the beta provider, who never realizes till he gets them tested (if he ever does)

 

[Mainländer]

False analogy, what if cocaine had no side effects, no withdrawal symptoms, it was like weed but with the high of cocaine, you enjoyed doing it, you wanted to do it badly, but if you didn't you could go without it for a while, even quit it, that's what being a modern woman is like, its not like a regualr drug addiction like you are trying to classify it, women face little to no consequences for being a whorish modern woman, there is no downside really and truly

Promiscuity does have consequences, especially for women. Ok, they may not be as harsh as the ones from hard drugs, but they do exist.

Its you deciding that they were happier with your own criteria for happiness, you're PROJECTING YOUR WANTS ONTO WOMEN

I'm pretty sure women are more keen on having babies than men are, and suffer more negative effects on average when they don't do it.

Literally what I was talking about in the thread, you guys are coping, that shit is the exception to the rule, most women today get to fuck chad and easily fall back onto their plan B beta provider, still get to have children and not "die alone", and in some cases the children are Chads kids, paternity fraud is higher than ever than it was before, women are living a dream today, its a cope to tell yourself - "they pay for it in the long run"

What about all the talk about women's happiness declining then? It's all bullshit?

https://www.nber.org/papers/w14969

 

[Deleted member 12355]

IDK dude, I'm also going to assert that black people weren't happier during times of slavery or segregation, their family unit may have been more stable, but they weren't happier with MORE RESTRICTIONS, nobody is ever happier with MORE RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR LIFE CHOICES, if you are seriously arguing that a fucking study and statistical data is required to say something like this, then I don't know what to tell you, I'm not going to spend hours searching up and compiling stats to argue the obvious, something that can be argued with logic

The african american community and segregation is a good parallel between women and women's rights, when both sides had their restrictions removed, their family units suffered, but their INDIVIDUAL LIVES improved, the end result of people being able to MAKE MORE CHOICES is OBVIOUSLY THE POSSIBILITY THAT MORE BAD CHOICES CAN BE MADE.

Saying that women were happier in the past is like saying a caged animal is happier since it doesn't have to deal with much predators, mabye said animal sees having to deal with predators as a decent tradeoff to having actual freedom

But you will make a thread calling everyone that disagrees with what you think is a water is wet statement retarded when it in fact seems to be highly controversial according to the researchers to say the least, if you're not entirely wrong

 

[starystulejarz]

Cope, antidepressant prescriptions for foids are now sky high tall, they are extremely depressed since without fucking they don't have anything else meaningful in life.

 

[InMyCellInHell]

I can't wait for a washed up generation of STD infected, wine chugging whores! Oh boy!

 

[Joelossus]

Sad shit, man.

 

[SilentSoup]

I think that women who are mothers in a stable family are happier than women who are single mothers. Women who are in a system that encourages them to gracefully mature and be maternal become happier than women who just age into used up lonely fuckholes.

It's like taking care of a dog, if you spill a bag of dog food on the floor the dog is just going to keep eating and eating. The dog is going to be happier while it's eating yes, but it's going to be really unhappy when it starts throwing up and having stomach problems later.

Too much, uncontrolled access to sexuality is like spilling the bag of dog food on the floor. While they're indulging the women are going to be having fun but they're making themselves miserable long term.

@Mainländer & @DeformAspergerCel , great posts! I totally agree.

 

[StaroRavager]

Very few enjoy being caged

 

[Frankenstein's M.]

This is another cope that needs to be ended, one that is widely held by traditionalists

Today women get to ride the cock carousel and still have a beta provider waiting for them at the end of it all, rather than having to immediately settle for and pair up with said beta provider in their early years. You have to be coping to believe the "red pilled" meme of "women just want to have babies and be in committed relationships deep down, its society poisoning them"

Nope, women love fucking around, yes they want to have babies too, but now they can fuck around and have babies, and society foots the bill with taxes, women have barely any consequences to their actions today. You are coping if you think women of the past are happier than women today are, when with the swipe of a finger they can get gangbanged by chads, and have a beta pay all of their bills and support their lifestyle, all with barely any effort

You grab the average woman from the patriarchal past and place her in the present, and give her a year of living like a modern woman, and when presented with the option of going back, SHE WILL REFUSE, and it won't be because she'll miss the technological advancements

WOMEN OBVIOUSLY WEREN'T HAPPIER WITH RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR CHOICES, SEXUAL HABITS, WEALTH ACCUMULATION, ETC.

Believing otherwise is just a cope men give themselves so they can think there is still hope of returning to the "good times":



JFL, they aren't unhappy, the only thing women have deep down is more room in their cunt for chad cock

Any man who doesn't realize that women today are happier than they have ever been is LYING TO THEMSELVES

They will site articles about women who had their eggs frozen to pursue their careers and now they can't have children because something went wrong, and they'll cope



JFL at these copes

No you fucking idiot, they wanted both, they wanted to have their cake and eat it too, that failure in their life doesn't mean they didn't want to be a whore and fuck Chads endlessly, that failure doesn't mean they didn't enjoy the past successes (successes in their book)

Coping idiots like to phrase scenarios like this as women realizing that they missed out on what they really wanted, when in actuality, it was just a woman chasing after the things she wanted in her best years, and being naive thinking that she still had time to pursue her SECONDARY GOALS.

So to all the traditionalist copers, please stop it, for your own good, you know full well women are happier today, women regretting the end result of their whorish choices doesn't take away from the fact that they THOROUGHLY ENJOYED THOSE CHOICES, and if you asked any of them if they could do it over again, would they make the same choices, THEY WOULD ANSWER YES, or probably just get their beta provider earlier and cheat on him with Chad, so they can BOTH get to fuck chad and reproduce

This is the most brutal blackpill I've seen in a long time depressing tf out of me

 

[Invalidusername]

Can't say I completely agree seeing promiscuous women statistically have far less happier and stable marriages, whilst being more likely to be depressed.

Are they happy that they're given complete freedom that allows them to completely indulge themselves in egotistical hedonism? Yeah I guess so

However, does it negatively impacts them in the long term?
Yes

Despite this, they don't want to admit that this is the reality because that would threaten their privellages

 

[DeepSea]

nobody is ever happier with MORE RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR LIFE CHOICES

Women and children are the only exceptions to this rule. If society gave children the freedom to do whatever they want to do, do you seriously believe they would be happier in the long run than they would be if they were controlled by their parents? Many children would stay up all night to play video games, never go to school, and sacrifice long-term happiness for short-term pleasure.

Because women are just as irrational as children, they're incapable of maximizing their long-term self-interest. If the average woman was rational, she would get into a long-term relationship with the highest quality man available to her when she is at the peak of her sexual attractiveness in her teens or early twenties. Instead of doing this, the average woman rides the cock carousel until the wheels fall off. Then she either settle for a betabux that she will divorce later or becomes a bitter single mom who cannot properly raise children. Most young women want to have children but they are incapable of understanding that they sacrifice their future offspring quality by delaying motherhood until their 30s. Younger women have healthier children on average than older women.

The more educated a woman is, the higher the likelihood that she will die bitter and childless and never pass on her genes. Why is that the case? Because higher education often makes women extremely arrogant and conceited and convinces them that no man is good enough for them. The most intelligent women have the lowest birthrate. If even many of the smartest women are incapable of making sound life decisions, that is all the more reason to believe that patriarchy benefits women in the long-run.

The african american community and segregation is a good parallel between women and women's rights, when both sides had their restrictions removed, their family units suffered, but their INDIVIDUAL LIVES improved, the end result of people being able to MAKE MORE CHOICES is OBVIOUSLY THE POSSIBILITY THAT MORE BAD CHOICES CAN BE MADE.

The black single motherhood rate was much lower in the 1950s than the White single motherhood rate today. Most black women are obese, dysfunctional, welfare dependent single-moms who keep getting impregnated by low-life criminals. It's pretty obvious that black women would benefit from patriarchal discipline and control. By any objective measure, black women are worse off today than they were in the 1950s. They're literally uglier, stupider, and lazier than they were back then.

When Lincoln abolished slavery, black women submitted to black men and monogamy became the norm in the black community until the 1960s. The black family unit benefited from the abolition of slavery. If feminism and women's rights never happened, there would be a lot less dysfunction and criminality in that community.

 

[acnescarcel]

yup coping if you don’t believe this

 

[SuperPerfectCel]

It would be a cope if foids weren't retarded.

You see foids getting to have their cake and eat it too. Objectively that's true. But what they feel is getting their cake, having it taken it away from them before they finish it, it being given to them, it being hidden away, on and on ad infinitum.

They will never subconsciously "get" why Chad doesn't marry them and settle down. And it will irritate and embitter them beyond reason that they were "used". Chad always wins, until he is no longer Chad (or gets falsely accused of rape).

The reason foids are happier in the old school organized marital society is because Chad was never even on the table for them there to begin with. They're taught to know their place and be glad they're not getting ragdolled on the streets instead. The longing they feel for Chad in that scenario is no bigger a frustration than that I have over the fact that I'll never be rich.

You're judging foid logic by the standards of male logic when the two are fundamentally different. We would just be happy we got to fuck at all. Women aren't because fucking is their birthright. It's fun but they're no more grateful for it than we are for oxygen.

 

[Deleted member 5333]

They are unhappy only when chad is not around

 

[SuperPerfectCel]

Really the the thing about the black pill is that it's not just taking the most pessimistic stance by default. It's not about your "common sense" for social dynamics. It's about accepting observable evidence and research as the facts of life.

And the same studies that confirm we are unfuckable also nigh universally claim that promiscuous women are less happy than monogamous women. They're depressed more often, they're bitter towards men more often, they have more regrets, and they commit suicide more often.

You know the likes of the UN, academics, feminists would just LOVE to portray "sexually liberated" women are the happiest of all time, but even they're not cooking the books here.

Choice is only good when you can handle making it. When a small baby is presented with two appealing toys at equal distance, they will react negatively, because they haven't developed to the point where they can choose one over the other yet. Women similarly cannot make the choice between a fuck buddy and a long-term mate; their heart is looking for both. Unlike the baby however, the woman doesn't grow out of this until like hard middle age.

 

[Cleftcel]

Quality thread, thought-provoking arugments on both sides

 

[Deleted member 17599]

Only cucks care about the opinions by toilets.

 

[mylifeistrash]

This is another cope that needs to be ended, one that is widely held by traditionalists

Today women get to ride the cock carousel and still have a beta provider waiting for them at the end of it all, rather than having to immediately settle for and pair up with said beta provider in their early years. You have to be coping to believe the "red pilled" meme of "women just want to have babies and be in committed relationships deep down, its society poisoning them"

Nope, women love fucking around, yes they want to have babies too, but now they can fuck around and have babies, and society foots the bill with taxes, women have barely any consequences to their actions today. You are coping if you think women of the past are happier than women today are, when with the swipe of a finger they can get gangbanged by chads, and have a beta pay all of their bills and support their lifestyle, all with barely any effort

You grab the average woman from the patriarchal past and place her in the present, and give her a year of living like a modern woman, and when presented with the option of going back, SHE WILL REFUSE, and it won't be because she'll miss the technological advancements

WOMEN OBVIOUSLY WEREN'T HAPPIER WITH RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR CHOICES, SEXUAL HABITS, WEALTH ACCUMULATION, ETC.

Believing otherwise is just a cope men give themselves so they can think there is still hope of returning to the "good times":



JFL, they aren't unhappy, the only thing women have deep down is more room in their cunt for chad cock

Any man who doesn't realize that women today are happier than they have ever been is LYING TO THEMSELVES

They will site articles about women who had their eggs frozen to pursue their careers and now they can't have children because something went wrong, and they'll cope



JFL at these copes

No you fucking idiot, they wanted both, they wanted to have their cake and eat it too, that failure in their life doesn't mean they didn't want to be a whore and fuck Chads endlessly, that failure doesn't mean they didn't enjoy the past successes (successes in their book)

Coping idiots like to phrase scenarios like this as women realizing that they missed out on what they really wanted, when in actuality, it was just a woman chasing after the things she wanted in her best years, and being naive thinking that she still had time to pursue her SECONDARY GOALS.

So to all the traditionalist copers, please stop it, for your own good, you know full well women are happier today, women regretting the end result of their whorish choices doesn't take away from the fact that they THOROUGHLY ENJOYED THOSE CHOICES, and if you asked any of them if they could do it over again, would they make the same choices, THEY WOULD ANSWER YES, or probably just get their beta provider earlier and cheat on him with Chad, so they can BOTH get to fuck chad and reproduce

I never believed the "women were happier in the past" bullshit either. If women wanted a family and kids, they could easily have them at any age.

They're happiest chasing chad cock.

 

[HighTGymcel]

I couldnt care less about women happiness

 

[EyesAreSoCold]

This is another cope that needs to be ended, one that is widely held by traditionalists

Today women get to ride the cock carousel and still have a beta provider waiting for them at the end of it all, rather than having to immediately settle for and pair up with said beta provider in their early years. You have to be coping to believe the "red pilled" meme of "women just want to have babies and be in committed relationships deep down, its society poisoning them"

Nope, women love fucking around, yes they want to have babies too, but now they can fuck around and have babies, and society foots the bill with taxes, women have barely any consequences to their actions today. You are coping if you think women of the past are happier than women today are, when with the swipe of a finger they can get gangbanged by chads, and have a beta pay all of their bills and support their lifestyle, all with barely any effort

You grab the average woman from the patriarchal past and place her in the present, and give her a year of living like a modern woman, and when presented with the option of going back, SHE WILL REFUSE, and it won't be because she'll miss the technological advancements

WOMEN OBVIOUSLY WEREN'T HAPPIER WITH RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR CHOICES, SEXUAL HABITS, WEALTH ACCUMULATION, ETC.

Believing otherwise is just a cope men give themselves so they can think there is still hope of returning to the "good times":



JFL, they aren't unhappy, the only thing women have deep down is more room in their cunt for chad cock

Any man who doesn't realize that women today are happier than they have ever been is LYING TO THEMSELVES

They will site articles about women who had their eggs frozen to pursue their careers and now they can't have children because something went wrong, and they'll cope



JFL at these copes

No you fucking idiot, they wanted both, they wanted to have their cake and eat it too, that failure in their life doesn't mean they didn't want to be a whore and fuck Chads endlessly, that failure doesn't mean they didn't enjoy the past successes (successes in their book)

Coping idiots like to phrase scenarios like this as women realizing that they missed out on what they really wanted, when in actuality, it was just a woman chasing after the things she wanted in her best years, and being naive thinking that she still had time to pursue her SECONDARY GOALS.

So to all the traditionalist copers, please stop it, for your own good, you know full well women are happier today, women regretting the end result of their whorish choices doesn't take away from the fact that they THOROUGHLY ENJOYED THOSE CHOICES, and if you asked any of them if they could do it over again, would they make the same choices, THEY WOULD ANSWER YES, or probably just get their beta provider earlier and cheat on him with Chad, so they can BOTH get to fuck chad and reproduce

I don't think that the happiness that comes from chasing Chad as a woman is as consistence as settling down with a family. There is no way for the average foid to get a Chad to stay with her, she might experience some highs during her life with those ONS or short relations with Chad but that spoils her and every man after must live up to the previous Chad.

 

[GeneticDysfunction]

yup coping if you don’t believe this

True, everyone who doesnt believe op is coping HARD

 

[mylifeistrash]

I don't think that the happiness that comes from chasing Chad as a woman is as consistence as settling down with a family.

If that were true then apps like instagram and tinder would be replaced with apps to find beta bucks who look average, make good money and would be good family men.

But no apps like that exist or will ever exist.

 

[BrendioEEE]

Yeah that's why women are depressed and committing suicide en masse once they're not in their prime when they don't have a family and are a used up whore. That's why some of the much richest and powerful women are super unhappy right?

I swear the Jews who were funding @Fontaine have to decided to start depositing $0.01 into your account for every thread you make like this. We all know the reason you attack traditionalism is because you're a rich fakecel escort"cel", who can easily use his resources to find a traditional woman, but you'd rather live a hedonistic lifestyle having as much sex as possible while larping as an Incel.

The Data simply doesn't add up with any of your arguments.

 

[SlayerSlayer]

Happiness is a retarded thing to measure.

Also, as counter-intuitive as it seems, happiness isn't something most people strive for. People want to live passionate, purposeful lives, And with that comes strife. Although I think women are happier now than ever before, supposing if even that weren't the case, it's undeniable that they live more passionately, more purposefully, and with higher standard of living than men in these times.

 

[EyesAreSoCold]

If that were true then apps like instagram and tinder would be replaced with apps to find beta bucks who look average, make good money and would be good family men.

But no apps like that exist or will ever exist.

I don't think women really knows what's best for them. As they see it the absolute best thing is to have a gigachad that stays with them and that's fair but that is never gonna happen but since they get a little bit of chad from time to time they get addicted to it and their self esteem gets overinflated.

 

[CaptainCuck]

High IQ thread. Foids no longer need most men for anything as they have been freed in all regards thanks to technology and laws and are completely free to whatever they want without consequence.

Foids can get money from their own high paying jobs, cuck orbiters and welfare handouts. They can get children with attractive genes by fucking Chads and from sperm banks. They can get attention anywhere they go thanks to thirsty white knight orbiters, especially online. They can snap their fingers and have some thirsty orbiter to take care of the kids while they go out and fuck Chad.

 

[voiceoftreason]

MGTOW on suicide watch.

 

[mylifeistrash]

I don't think women really knows what's best for them. As they see it the absolute best thing is to have a gigachad that stays with them and that's fair but that is never gonna happen but since they get a little bit of chad from time to time they get addicted to it and their self esteem gets overinflated.

I think they know exactly what they want, however. They won't give average men a chance. Even below average women see themselves far about average men.


It's not that women think beta bucks might be best for them. They actively despite beta bucks. They HATE non-chads.

 

[Napoleon de Jizzbal]

Those filthy creatures dont deserve happiness

 

[BlkPillPres]

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I'm one of the guys who used to be spamming this same chart, oh and all that chart shows is that the more sexual partners a woman has, the less likely she is to remain married, you are presupposing that being married and in a committed relationship makes one happy, and then projecting that presupposition onto the data

One could look at this same chart and deduce that women are happier not being in a committed relationship and fucking around, hence why when they have more sexual experience, they are less likely to be satisfied by one man, so they leave him

You guys are coping

Can't say I completely agree seeing promiscuous women statistically have far less happier and stable marriages, whilst being more likely to be depressed.

JFL, please read over what you just said, they have less happier MARRAIGES, like @BrendioEEE , like I just told him, you are presupposing that being married would make women happy, clearly it doesn't, its ridiculous to argue - "yes this person is happier doing X EVEN THOUGH I HAVE TO FORCE THEM TO DO IT WITH RESTRICTIONS" lol, its a ridiculous cope, women don't like marriage, or comiited relationships, men like that shit, men like stability, women don't give a fuck, they just want to fuck Chad and do whatever they want whenever they want.

However, does it negatively impacts them in the long term?
Yes

How, give me some examples, most women ride the cock carousel and then get a beta provider, how is that a loss, they got to have their cake and eat it to, and these days they are getting pregnant by Chad and cheating on the beta, while the beta helps raise the kids.

 

[BrendioEEE]

I'm one of the guys who used to be spamming this same chart, oh and all that chart shows is that the more sexual partners a woman has, the less likely she is to remain married, you are presupposing that being married and in a committed relationship makes one happy, and then projecting that presupposition onto the data

Except that's not all the chart shows, the chart shows that the less partners a woman has, the more happy and fulfilled she is. Who's happier, the extreme minority of women who get Married and stay Married with the first guy they slept with until one of them dies, or the vast majority of women who are promiscuous and are reporting unhappiness levels and unfulfillment at extremely high levels the more their life progresses onward? Because the data shows in various different studies, whether it be the chart I showed there, or other data related to suicides, depression, unhappiness, etc, that its that second group that is experiencing unhappiness.

We know from the data and science what makes women happy, and it's patriarchy, women may think they don't want it, but they do. They're very childlike and primitive when it comes to decision making, it's like a child who doesn't want to take a bath because they're not forced to. A Child will be happier when their body isn't rotting, and they aren't sick when they are forced to take care of themselves, but i'm sure there are many kids who don't want to.

One could look at this same chart and deduce that women are happier not being in a committed relationship and fucking around, hence why when they have more sexual experience, they are less likely to be satisfied by one man, so they leave him

No you really can't, we already know why women are more likely to initiate divorce after they have been with more than 1 man, or many men, it's usually the first guy who slept with and left her who committed the first evil, not her, he's the one who corrupted her, according to all the data in existence, women typically will not leave the first guy they sleep with in any sexual capacity, this is where the whole, "Just be first" meme comes into play, so when that guy leaves her, it fucks her mind hard, the more partners she then proceeds to get with, especially if they're Chad, or if they were Chad in the first place, makes her think her worth is of Chad, and her perception of her own self worth is highly twisted in her own mind because she thinks because Chad pumped and dumped her or various Chads pumped and dumped her, this must mean in her dumb femoid logic, that she's worthy of a long term relationship with Chad, she will never be satisfied until she has a partner who is as good as the best guy (looks or resources wise) who pumped and dumped her, it's not about her being happier by doing that, this logic leads to a very unfulfilling lifestyle, because her twisted dream will NEVER be fulfilled, because she is not and will never be worthy of Chad to settle down with her.

You guys are coping

 

[PectusManletScarCel]

I bet a chimpanzee would be happy if society were to work in a way that benefited the chimpanzee's instinctive desires but it does not mean that it is just or good FOR the chimpanzee or everything else in general

 

[Cuyen]

The more men feel sad the more women feels happy

 

[BlkPillPres]

Except that's not all the chart shows, the chart shows that the less partners a woman has, the more happy and fulfilled she is.

Please tell me how the chart shows that, you are coping hard dude, its like you aren't even thinking your arguments through

What criteria was used to determine "happiness" or "fulfillment"?

How as the data gathered?

Please answer these questions

Because "happiness" and "fulfillment" are very subjective things, so how did they gauge ones happiness and fulfillment, that's an extremely relevant question to ascertain if there is bias present

What kind of responses were documented as "happy" or "unhappy"

There are college campus studies done by feminists that show extremely ridiculous sexual assault stats, I think it was that famous "1 in 4" stat, women saying that they were grabbed by the shoulder and felt uncomfortable, etc had their responses added in as "sexual assault", so they just broadened the scope to increase their numbers, and ended up with a stat saying - "1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted on a college campus"

This is why I call BS on such a study, "happiness" and "fulfillment" are not quantitative things, they are qualitative, so how did they quantify these things in a way in which they could state it as a stat.

 

[Deleted member 16455]

yup coping if you don’t believe this

 

[BlkPillPres]

it's usually the first guy who slept with and left her who committed the first evil, not her, he's the one who corrupted her, according to all the data in existence, women typically will not leave the first guy they sleep with in any sexual capacity

Gentlemen I present the mindset of the guys arguing against me on this topic, if you can't see how blue pilled this is, then you yourself are blue pilled, this is the typical mindset of a blue pilled traditionalist cuck

1. At the end of the day its really just men's fault (its the man who committed the "first evil" and CORRUPTED the innocent and perfect woman, who definitely would never have been a whore if not for that "corruption", she wasn't always like that too begin with

2. Women are inherently good, and only become bad due to the influence of external forces (more infantalizing BS that gives women a pass on their actions)

I half think you posted this line as a form of sarcasm, because noway you said this over to yourself, typed it out, read it, and said - "yeah this is black pilled and logical, totally not blue pilled"

 

[Deleted member 4760]

MGTOW on suicide watch.

kek

But honestly high Iq thread with interesting arguments from both sides.

I do believe that there are sluts out there,a minority of sluts who are truly happy chasing Cahds cock forever and are not striving for any kinds of married life with kids and a family.

Where the real damage is done is the actual women who inherently wanted and dreamed to be mothers, wives at times stay at homes moms but who got brainwashed by the feminist narratives in College and followed the slut mass until they actually confess that they did regret it later.

THERES A FUCK TON OF THEM on the RedPillWomen Subreddit.

We called them the Reformed thots.


Here's a reformed thots in the making getting brainwashed by the slut narrative:



Pay attention to the asian on the right, what she asnwers and how unconfortable she is. she aboslutely does not fit the ''happy slut '' bill her friends are trying to print on her. probably a virgin waiting for the right guy...

 

[satoshisacuck]

Gentlemen I present the mindset of the guys arguing against me on this topic, if you can't see how blue pilled this is, then you yourself are blue pilled, this is the typical mindset of a blue pilled traditionalist cuck

1. At the end of the day its really just men's fault (its the man who committed the "first evil" and CORRUPTED the innocent and perfect woman, who definitely would never have been a whore if not for that "corruption", she wasn't always like that too begin with

2. Women are inherently good, and only become bad due to the influence of external forces (more infantalizing BS that gives women a pass on their actions)

I half think you posted this line as a form of sarcasm, because noway you said this over to yourself, typed it out, read it, and said - "yeah this is black pilled and logical, totally not blue pilled"

 

[BrendioEEE]

What criteria was used to determine "happiness" or "fulfillment"?
How as the data gathered?

Pretty sure its self reported, for example if I wanted to collect data on happiness in say a survey of around 100-1000 women, I would give them a questionnaire filled with various dummy questions, aswell as questions that pertain to the data I want to collect, such as how would you rate your happiness/fulfillment on this scale/chart/etc

Because "happiness" and "fulfillment" are very subjective things, so how did they gauge ones happiness and fulfillment, that's an extremely relevant question to ascertain if there is bias present
What kind of responses were documented as "happy" or "unhappy"

This is irrelevant, it doesn't matter if its subjective or not, if people more people are reporting they are happy, and people who are reporting they are happy are also reporting better and more active sex lives, and statistically are in longer marriages, aswell a myriad of other things. Sure are some of them lying? I'm sure they are, do some feel happiness in different ways? Sure, that's still irrelevant to the data/study. The only person coping, seems to be you by not being able to ascertain how this stuff works.

There are college campus studies done by feminists that show extremely ridiculous sexual assault stats, I think it was that famous "1 in 4" stat, women saying that they were grabbed by the shoulder and felt uncomfortable, etc had their responses added in as "sexual assault", so they just broadened the scope to increase their numbers, and ended up with a stat saying - "1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted on a college campus"This is why I call BS on such a study, "happiness" and "fulfillment" are not quantitative things, they are qualitative, so how did they quantify these things in a way in which they could state it as a stat.

False equivalency, not all studies are equal, I autistically have read the intricacies of many studies, you're right that many studies are bullshit, this doesn't seem to be one of them, you just seem to be ignoring all data/statistics that point towards traditionalism being the right way, because you're a hedonistic degenerate who belongs on a cross.

Gentlemen I present the mindset of the guys arguing against me on this topic, if you can't see how blue pilled this is, then you yourself are blue pilled, this is the typical mindset of a blue pilled traditionalist cuck

1. At the end of the day its really just men's fault (its the man who committed the "first evil" and CORRUPTED the innocent and perfect woman, who definitely would never have been a whore if not for that "corruption", she wasn't always like that too begin with

2. Women are inherently good, and only become bad due to the influence of external forces (more infantalizing BS that gives women a pass on their actions)

I half think you posted this line as a form of sarcasm, because noway you said this over to yourself, typed it out, read it, and said - "yeah this is black pilled and logical, totally not blue pilled"

Let's just ignore all data that show the inferiority of women's behavior and lack of ability to make rational decisions on their own, and pretend they're mentally equal to men and thus all their incorrect and evil decisions are their fault alone. Just swap out the word "woman" for "child" and look at how retarded what you just said is, because a woman and a child are almost equal in their inferiority.

This has no scientific backing, it's truly no wonder, that a sex having fakecel like you, would defend a slutmaking degenerate non incel who pumps and dumps childlike foids, making inceldom and hypergamy worse for REAL incels.

Also yeah, i'm totally "bluepilled" when I actively push against womens rights, get real, you never address any of these arguments in depth without massive amounts of logical fallacies and non arguments, because you can't. The next Hitler can't come soon enough.

 

[Honeypot]

What about the researches that show female happiness levels are diminishing?


That's like saying that if you got a man and made him snort cocaine a couple of times, he would afterwards want to keep using it.

What you want ins't always what makes you happy or even what's good for you, especially in the long run. A modern foid might have a blast with Chads while young, but I'd bet the old women from the past, looking at their huge families, were happier than old women are today with their cats or 2 betabuxx kids at best. And by old I mean 30-40+, not like 80+.

Young woman want chad, older woman without sexual libido want big family numbers and social life, one doesn't disprove the other.

Ofc single mother roasties with broken families with incel and whore kids aren't going to be happy.

Do young woman were happier back then than the young woman of today? I doubt it.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Let's just ignore all data that show the inferiority of women's behavior and lack of ability to make rational decisions on their own, and pretend they're mentally equal to men and thus all their incorrect and evil decisions are their fault alone. Just swap out the word "woman" for "child" and look at how retarded what you just said is, because a woman and a child are almost equal in their inferiority.

This has no scientific backing, it's truly no wonder, that a sex having fakecel like you, would defend a slutmaking degenerate non incel who pumps and dumps childlike foids, making inceldom and hypergamy worse for REAL incels.

Also yeah, i'm totally "bluepilled" when I actively push against womens rights, get real, you never address any of these arguments in depth without massive amounts of logical fallacies and non arguments, because you can't. The next Hitler can't come soon enough.