Blackpill [Hard To Swallow Edition] There Is Nothing "Beautiful", "Magical" Or "Special" About Any Biological Process Or Existing Period (Stop Coping)

[your personality]

I agree the many bodily functions are disgusting and inherently just something that is, not something "magical".
But discussing the topic of feelings of limerance and longing to be with a foid, I find it be a very real thing. True I've got a lot of bluepill conditioning that contributes to this but whenever I hear love songs that talk about spending the rest of their lives with a woman it makes me very depressed.

In the thread talking about how not enough sex can kill you I said that

"tbh even if love isn't real and a disney fantasy I can't help but feel a longing for the kinds of feelings it provokes knowing that such feelings have been provoked in me before"
especially for the rare situations when I interacted with girls and it seemed to go okay for a period of time in the past
I also linked two examples of love songs that very easily make me depressed to show what I mean by love songs

https://incels.is/threads/not-enough-sex-can-kill-you-water-wet.228056/#post-5128479

I hear those songs and I can't help it, I find myself gasping for air and longing to be with foids that I did not have entirely negative experiences with even if I was their emotional tampon or orbiter at one point.

Those are just two examples I found on short notice, I've seen this A LOT from incels, ESPECIALLY RELIGIOUS INCELS

Who go on and on about SEX BEING SPECIAL "WITHIN THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE"

The two of you probably just never pay attention and ITS NO WONDER I IRONICALLY HAVE BOTH OF YOU BLOCKED

You kind of just proved why, you're low IQ idiots who aren't observant, good bye now

I've seen this a lot too. Religion is a bluepill with some redpill mixed in but a lot of the fairy tale idea or idealistic version of love and sex is strong in religions like Christianity in the west and new age spirituality.
The concept of romance is built up and anyone who questions whether it really exists instead of being just biology with cultural human courting customs added in it is said to be coping and told by others that "when they meet a special girl all that will change" and they'll see the "magic".

As many incels here can attest, that "special girl" might have been their oneitis and even if they knew beforehand that love is just a chemical reaction it didn't make it any less difficult to get past the feelings of romantic longing for their oneitis because suddenly all the evolutionary biology arguments, nature of women: it didn't matter. There was the potential that a foid was validating you and it was something you had never experienced before. And it was difficult to let go or forget how good that felt.

A lot of guys here may never move past their oneitis or easily catching feelings for women because they are not able to get with enough women to replace the thought of their oneitis and are left wondering if something like a woman taking interest in them like their oneitis appeared to will ever happen again.

It's af but like you said a lot of normies and weak minded incels that might have previously looked at women more logically seem to experience this. For me it is easier said than done to forget about it and think that the feelings of love you had at the time.
This isn't so much a problem when I'm not reminded of it through movies and love songs, but when I am all the memories longing for the time when I felt close to a foid come back.

 

[Deleted member 12355]

My point is quite literally that affection has nothing to do with objectivity, its always based on emotions and subjectivity, so one having high value for it, is just as valid a position of one seeing it has having no value

assuming we accept evolution as the correct model for how we got here, the reason our subjective perceptions of basically anything exists is because they're almost always associated with objective risks or rewards. To take one very obvious example of this is the fear of snakes. People that lacked an instinctive fear of snakes got bit and died and there was a gradual selection for this trait throughout the human genepool. Is it objective to have this fear? Of course not. Is it valuable? Fuck yes. Similarly, it's advantageous to regard the act of reproduction as beautiful as people that lack this assessment don't reproduce and get shut out of the genepool

 

[BlkPillPres]

but when I am all the memories longing for the time when I felt close to a foid come back.

Never felt that tbh, maybe if I had had sex with one in my teen years I'd have these attachments

Did you know that SOME WOMEN ORGASM WHILE GIVING BIRTH? (Google it, its true, and its a lot more common than you think, because very few would admit to something so disgusting that makes them feel guilty)

A few of us on this site have made at least one woman orgasm ........

JFL there is a website: https://www.orgasmicbirth.com/about/what-is-orgasmic-birth/

Also they do the exact same shit I'm talking about, trying to make it sound like something "pure", "magical", "beautiful", etc to cope with the experience and not feel self loathing

Reclaim your body, your birth and create the language and birth you desire for you and your baby!

I believe it is every woman’s human right to have a pleasurable birth. It all comes down to how you define it. I define my orgasmic birth as a heightened sensation – that moment of release and feeling your baby slide from your body into your arms. I think that every birth has that orgasmic element

Orgasmic Birth is all these things – the orgasm, the ecstasy, the hormones and the love – and that is why it is so amazing

Orgasmic Birth is to give birth with and in love, to move through thru labor with power and to honor the emotional and physical heights that labor holds

Humans and their mental gymnastics will always amuse me

 

[Deleted member 20811]

t. bbc

imagine thinking 5" X 3.5" is bbc

 

[Shin no Shi]

I notice a lot of incels on this site say that sex can be "beautiful" or "magical" if its "with your wife" or "someone you love" and other nonsense (ironically sounding like normies)

First off they are using circular logic, there was nothing beautiful about the act of sex to begin with, its just more of the nonsense we were all socialized to think in modern society (its what were all raised to believe)

Allow me to pose a question:
Please tell me what is beautiful about two animals grinding into eachother until they are a sweaty mess while excreting bodily fluids all over eachothers bodies and inside eachothers various orifices, go on, tell me? JFL

WHEN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT SEX IS IN A "RAW" MANNER, NO SUGAR COATING, NO FLOWERED WORDS, YOU CAN SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS!

Sex isn't "beautiful" if its "teen love"

Sex isn't "beautiful" if its two "virgins"

Sex isn't "beautiful" if its "within the sanctity of marriage" (no religiouscels, its still the same disgusting sloppy act of swapping saliva and cum)

It isn't beautiful period, those are just the cultural values you were raised to believe, just like you were raised to be blue pilled, but I notice a lot of incels like to conveniently hold onto certain beliefs and reject others as "blue pilled", they make all these weird special exceptions and refuse to change their minds about it certain things

Sex is just sex, calling sex beautiful is as weird as calling the digestive process beautiful, its like calling the act of eating or taking a shit beautiful UNDER SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES JFL (not it isn't, its disgusting, accept what you are)

MANY OF YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT WHAT YOU ARE (Its as simple as that, and tbh THAT'S MOST HUMANS)

Its just biology, that's it, there's nothing special and there are no special circumstances in which such an inherently disgusting act just magically becomes beautiful (that includes all biological processes/acts)




It reminds me of how normies try to sugar coat child birth as "magical" or "beautiful"

Allow me to pose a question:
How is a woman screaming her lungs out in excruciating pain, with blood, body fluids, etc coming out of her vagina, and sometimes getting her belly cut open (C Section) to give birth now "beautiful"?, go on, validate such a ridiculous claim

You have to literally LIE TO YOURSELF and DENY REALITY to convince yourself that ANYTHING TO DO WITH A BIOLOGICAL EXISTENCE IS "BEAUTIFUL", "MAGICAL" OR "SPECIAL" (a world view like that IS AS BLUE PILLED AS IT GETS AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED)

BONUS:
Did you know that SOME WOMEN ORGASM WHILE GIVING BIRTH? (Google it, its true, and its a lot more common than you think, because very few would admit to something so disgusting that makes them feel guilty)

A few of us on this site have made at least one woman orgasm ........

THERE IS NOTHING "BEAUTIFUL", "MAGICAL" OR "SPECIAL" ABOUT ONES EXISTENCE AS A BIOLOGICAL CREATURE

ITS INHERENTLY DISGUSTING

HUMANS JUST LIKE TO SUGAR COAT, MYSTIFY AND ROMANTICIZE EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF OUR EXISTENCE, TO COPE WITH BEING SELF AWARE OF THE REALITY OF BEING A BIOLOGICAL CREATURE (A DISGUSTING AND DISHEARTENING EXISTENCE)

Humans like these kinds of copes because THEY ARE UNWILLING TO ACCEPT WHAT THEY ARE AND THAT THEY ARE NOT SPECIAL

This is entirely subjective, you've even implied the subjectivity of this by using the opposing emotions towards it. If sex meant nothing at all then you shouldn't by all means have an emotion-fueled response. Though some parts of this I'll agree but the intangible and tangible aspect of sex is what people would consider "beautiful"

 

[BlkPillPres]

This is entirely subjective, you've even implied the subjectivity of this by using the opposing emotions towards it

It isn't subjective at all and no I did not use opposing emotions, you just didn't understand exactly what I was saying

When I say disgusting, I mean within the context of what humans already see as disgusting (not my personal beliefs), but we make special exceptions for certain acts to help us cope (example: sex and child birth, both are just as disgusting as taking a shit, but we treat them as "beautiful" and "magical", because its the only way to cope with doing the act and to make it something special)

I don't really see it as "disgusting" like I'm disgusted by it and don't want to do it, I am an escortcel

Its the same way that when I'm in an argument with a christian I say that "God is evil" or "God is immoral" when I'm a nihilist, I don't believe in "evil" or "morality", but I have to "argue within context" to get my point across, so I have to use their value system and their understanding of reality to show them the contradictions of their beliefs even if I agreed with them to be true

Either way humans always associate body fluids with disgust (that's a known fact), but when its convenient to our psyche certain things are now "beautiful" when they are objectively just as disgusting as the other things that fall into that category

If you spit near or on someone its considered an insult, as disrespect and being discourteous because its disgusting, but all of a sudden a woman drooling on your cock is "beautiful" , come on dude, you know full well that OBJECTIVELY makes no sense, people just don't want to admit that they enjoy "disgusting" things, so they have to create arbitrary separations and treat one thing as "pure" so they can VIEW THEMSELVES IN HIGH ESTEEM (its all about ego, they don't want to see themselves as "disgusting" creatures that enjoy "disgusting" things, but that's what humans are), its the same disgusting body fluid being used, you can't have it both ways

 

[your personality]

Never felt that tbh, maybe if I had had sex with one in my teen years I'd have these attachments

The attachment isn't from the sex (which I've never had, still a virgin) but the possibility however delusional it might be that you think a girl that allows you to orbit her might be into you. The talks you have, visiting places in a group, the way she strings guys along but it is very convincing and the quirks in their behavior and how it seems like they are only addressing you when they are talking to you.

I think a lot of guys have had experiences like this with a oneitis before being dropped or ghosted because a better emotional tampon and hotter guy to date came along. The conventional saying is true, males and females cannot be friends. It is all one-sided and you doing favors for them while they talk about their social life and dates they go on. Befriending a female is default orbiting because that's how she and everyone around her sees it even if you don't and even if you are in a mixed social group of guys and girls.

The bluepill advice that you need to be friends with girls and get to know them to get a better opinion of them and see they aren't that bad is not true at all and it's lead many guys into these situations where they accept being an orbiter until they realize everything is just one-sided and the blackpill was right all along.

 

[dirtykombatcel]

I don't know why this guy even bothers making threads at this point, all he does is:
1. Criticize ANYONE who ever makes ANY sort of argument against what he says, so he is definitely not looking for an actual discussion, just shitting on others (which is ironically an egotistical trait)
2. At this point he is just making shit up, no one said any of this shit here, he just comes up with them to get co clout. He is IT's favorite, they always compliment him and his posts, maybe he thinks he is some sort of superior incel around here (ironically AGAIN egotistical shit)
I honestly think you're a pathetic person who uses this site for ego-feeding and who copemaxxes by thinking escortcelling is all you need to feel well. You talk about objectivity constantly, not realizing the major strength points of your argument(bridge) are subjective, such as your notion of 'disgust' (it's just one example). You are a massive hypocrite and not only that, you keep projecting your frustrations and possible past experiences/mindsets on the anonymous, random people here. You are so much dumber than you think.

 

[TheNEET]

kinda agreed but also kinda larp
won't elab

 

[Deleted member 19546]

Sex isn't "beautiful" if its "teen love"

Sex isn't "beautiful" if its two "virgins"

Sex isn't "beautiful" if its "within the sanctity of marriage" (no religiouscels, its still the same disgusting sloppy act of swapping saliva and cum)

What's beautiful about it is the special bond, I am special to them, I have meaning to them and I am not forgettable/replaceable. To me the value is in the bond and not the physical stimulation.

As for physical stimulation, I have my hand. I don't think about wanting to have sex with someone out of mere mechanical pleasure, I think to do so because I want to become closer to them.

 

[YBP Yxngcel]

Dosent matter if it sounds disgusting on paper. I still crave and want it. You will experience the beauty in raising a child and knowing you have left your legacy here. ngl sometimes I have to just call cope on some of the shit you say. Your threads are just entertaining and better than the low iq shit posters here.

I don't know why this guy even bothers making threads at this point, all he does is:
1. Criticize ANYONE who ever makes ANY sort of argument against what he says, so he is definitely not looking for an actual discussion, just shitting on others (which is ironically an egotistical trait)
2. At this point he is just making shit up, no one said any of this shit here, he just comes up with them to get co clout. He is IT's favorite, they always compliment him and his posts, maybe he thinks he is some sort of superior incel around here (ironically AGAIN egotistical shit)
I honestly think you're a pathetic person who uses this site for ego-feeding and who copemaxxes by thinking escortcelling is all you need to feel well. You talk about objectivity constantly, not realizing the major strength points of your argument(bridge) are subjective, such as your notion of 'disgust' (it's just one example). You are a massive hypocrite and not only that, you keep projecting your frustrations and possible past experiences/mindsets on the anonymous, random people here. You are so much dumber than you think.

Yeah, noticed that aswell. I still find his threads entertainment none the less.

 

[Deleted member 39864]

I respectfully disagree.

Just because our assessment of the "beauty" of an experience is based on a biological imperative doesn't mean that assessment isn't pertinent.

Sex and love can be wonderful, even if deep down it's just biochemistry in our bodies.

The objective description of reality doesn't invalidate the relevance of our subjective experience of it.

Poetic Naturalism – Sean Carroll

www.preposterousuniverse.com

Objective descriptions don't have to invalidate any subjective experience BECAUSE SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCES HOLD NO WEIGHT OR TO BEGIN WITH lol

THERE IS NOTHING "BEAUTIFUL", "MAGICAL" OR "SPECIAL" ABOUT ONES EXISTENCE AS A BIOLOGICAL CREATURE

ITS INHERENTLY DISGUSTING

Isn't "disgusting", just a subjective interpretation of it? To you it may be disgusting but to another it may not be disgusting. That's a subjective opinion as to whether it is disgusting or not, not objective.

 

[Deleted member 39864]

I don't know why this guy even bothers making threads at this point, all he does is:
1. Criticize ANYONE who ever makes ANY sort of argument against what he says, so he is definitely not looking for an actual discussion, just shitting on others (which is ironically an egotistical trait)

Yeah feeling the need to shit on others is certainly egostistical. "I'm smarter than you! I got it figured out!"

2. At this point he is just making shit up, no one said any of this shit here, he just comes up with them to get co clout. He is IT's favorite, they always compliment him and his posts, maybe he thinks he is some sort of superior incel around here (ironically AGAIN egotistical shit)
I honestly think you're a pathetic person who uses this site for ego-feeding and who copemaxxes by thinking escortcelling is all you need to feel well. You talk about objectivity constantly, not realizing the major strength points of your argument(bridge) are subjective, such as your notion of 'disgust' (it's just one example). You are a massive hypocrite and not only that, you keep projecting your frustrations and possible past experiences/mindsets on the anonymous, random people here. You are so much dumber than you think.

Yeah like I said above "disgusting" is subjective. OP contradicted himself hard.

 

[mNFwTJ3wz9]

Thanks, needed to read this today.

 

[Emba]

I'm a animal

 

[grondilu]

The objective description of reality doesn't invalidate the relevance of our subjective experience of it.

It's crazy how I can write stuff and have absolutely no recollection of it whatsoever.

PS. I'm kidding, kind of. I do remember writing in this thread but I don't remember writing that specific sentence, even though it's a very nice one IMHO.

 

[fukurou]

beautiful sex is with waifubots

 

[Deleted member 41061]

That way what you people claim everything can be described as a fucking cope. Whatever you think can be cope. You always cope. And your claim about someone coping comes from the believing in some absolute truth, total objectivity which doesn't exist. Mankind tried to understand everything for many thousands years and yet the more they claim that they found truth, they find more questions and doubts to their previous thesis.

Everyone is scared to accept we are all egoists and want to use world as we like to.

That's why psychology and psychiatry mostly is fake and bluepilled. They all tell you about good people and bad people, about this truth and that lie. Away with truths! Away with morality! Away with anything that tells me I have to be obedient to! I create my own truths and when I'm bored with them I digest them and create new one if I need for my own use.

Y'all need some truth to obey. You want all to be slave to some truth and be its good boy. To hell with it!

Somehow you people claim that actually doing what society told you to do (idée fixe they created, the elites) is actually the goal of the life. Don't be suprised if you do so, you will be forgotten as almost every sex haver, father, mother, obedient person in history of the planet Earth.

Your life, every human life has no vocation. You are in this world to serve your ownself and fighting external world to get what you want.

You were never born to serve some vocation, especially the vocation that others told you to have like having kids, sex, going to parties and all that shit that no one wants to do but they do anyway 'cause they are afraid of no one liking them boohoo

My life is not about having kids, having wife, being obedient slave. I create my life as I want while dealing with external forces.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Isn't "disgusting", just a subjective interpretation of it? To you it may be disgusting but to another it may not be disgusting. That's a subjective opinion as to whether it is disgusting or not, not objective.

Yeah like I said above "disgusting" is subjective. OP contradicted himself hard.

There was no contradiction.

I meant disgusting as in other biological realities that we all consider disgusting.

There are people who are into scat porn and they don't think shit being mixed in with the act of sex is "disgusting". I guess by your logic that means waste material from your body is no longer unsanitary.

You are playing bullshit semantic word games. We all understand what is meant by the term disgusting - "unclean", "unsanitary", "grotesque looking", etc.

Just because some people are aroused by shit that doesn't change the fact that shit is objectively disgusting, based on the universal understanding of what constitutes "disgusting".

I'm sure there's a guy with a fetish for midget women, that doesn't change the fact that those women have grotesque proportions (uneven and malformed in comparison to the normal human standard for proportions)

 

[decembrist_kirillov]

some chemical shit

 

[Deleted member 39864]

There was no contradiction.

I meant disgusting as in other biological realities that we all consider disgusting.

There are people who are into scat porn and they don't think shit being mixed in with the act of sex is "disgusting". I guess by your logic that means waste material from your body is no longer unsanitary.

You are playing bullshit semantic word games. We all understand what is meant by the term disgusting - "unclean", "unsanitary", "grotesque looking", etc.

I don't think sex is necessarily disgusting though. I don't think most people do either.

Just because some people are aroused by shit that doesn't change the fact that shit is objectively disgusting, based on the universal understanding of what constitutes "disgusting".

Poop is disgusting, sex isn't.

I'm sure there's a guy with a fetish for midget women, that doesn't change the fact that those women have grotesque proportions (uneven and malformed in comparison to the normal human standard for proportions)

I don't think humans necessarily think sex is disgusting. Just like they may not think a naked body is disgusting. It's just that certain activities are meant for private. Such as changing clothes, showering, sex.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I don't think humans necessarily think sex is disgusting.

They do, they just also understand that it's enjoyable, and as a species we make exceptions for things we enjoy.

It's just that certain activities are meant for private.

You're playing word games and dancing around the core of the issue.

Ask yourself - WHY are certain activities MEANT for private?.

WHO decided this and WHY do we all as a collective agree with it?

You see animals don't have the same level of self awareness that we do, this is why they'll fuck in front of groups of themselves and think nothing of it, or they'll pull shit right from their ass and throw it at someone lol (in the case of monkeys).

There's a reason why spitting on someone or spitting in response to someone is a universal act of disrespect in pretty much all cultures across the globe, even before society became globalized. It's because excreting bodily fluids is inherently something "disgusting" (on a subconscious level), and we evolved to see it that way because it can be assumed that it is a "waste by product" of the body and therefore not safe for consumption and/or can make you sick / harm you / kill you.

For that same reason certain aspects of sexual intercourse are subconsciously seen as "disgusting" because of the ejaculation of bodily fluids.

In the case of animals there is no "shame" because there is no self awareness to comprehend the "nature" of an act.

As humans we decide what things are "meant for private" or "meant for public" based on whether or not they give off a response of "revulsion". This response is usually because of something instinctual (like the response to bodily fluids) and/or it's an act that reminds us of "the nature of our biological existence". It reminds us that were "just animals" and that triggers feelings of shame and self loathing.

This is why sex is treated as something "shameful" despite how much we crave it. It's a very primitive and therefore debasing act because it's when were at our most animalistic.


If you see a woman on a park bench breastfeeding a baby in public that's not "sexual", so it isn't "disgusting" and you won't see a problem with it, you'll see it as something "pure" and "beautiful".

If you see a woman on a park bench getting her tits sucked by a man in public that is "sexual", so it is "disgusting" and you will see a problem with it, you'll see it as "crass" and "animalistic".

 

[mlcurrycel]

@BlkPillPres
You're right and you're wrong - why is shitting disgusting? It's a biomechanical marvel, the organism expelling waste and byproducts in order to keep itself healthy. But our reptillian brain hates shit because we don't want to get sick from other people's feces.

In the same way, sweaty people bumping uglies can be disgusting. But people who are having great sex with a loved one are experiencing an incredible high. A fat fuck stuffing his face looks disgusting, but his brain is exploding thanks to the taste of delicious food. A heroin junkie covered in pricks looks disgusting inside a dirty trap house, but the ecstasy from the drug is the most beautiful thing to the drug user.

Sex is an important part of life. It's the biological imperative. In social mammals, it's a bonding ritual too.

 

[BlkPillPres]

@BlkPillPres
You're right and you're wrong

You've yet to tell me the part I'm wrong on, because nothing you've said in this post goes against anything I said.

 

[Ika-Sama]

High IQ, humans will cope just to make their worthless lives better.

 

[Iwanttolive]

the deeper aspects of buddhism (not the kind peddled to western normies) covers this, about the true nature and disgust of many worldly activities including eating n childbirth.
@Transcended Trucel

 

[TheStrategist]

The only thing that is special is the Nintendo 64 and playing the Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time game on it.

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[TheStrategist]

the deeper aspects of buddhism (not the kind peddled to western normies) covers this, about the true nature and disgust of many worldly activities including eating n childbirth.
@Transcended Trucel

Sometimes when a man thinks, 'I will regard this as repulsive,' he comes to think of it as attractive.

Instructs a King

 

[Transcended Trucel]

the deeper aspects of buddhism (not the kind peddled to western normies) covers this, about the true nature and disgust of many worldly activities including eating n childbirth.
@Transcended Trucel

yeah theravada Buddhism especially has many schools focused on this. (derivative of Theravada)Thai forest tradition school has many meditations on becoming disgusted with the body to counter lust/jealousy.

 

[RREEEEEEEEE]

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[TheDarkEnigma]

I'm not disgusted by it, I'm indifferent to it, I'm "just there" inside of it, that's what it feels like to me, I'm completely removed from my existence as a human, life often feels like a "3rd person perspective" to me even though I'm viewing it from a "1st person perspective"

Your body still influence your desires and thus you wanting to seek those bodily desires because it feels good. Whether it's eating or wanting to fuck someone. But at the same time we have free will to control these desires.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Your body still influence your desires and thus you wanting to seek those bodily desires because it feels good. Whether it's eating or wanting to fuck someone. But at the same time we have free will to control these desires.

Agreed, well to an extent. We don't really have "control" of these things at all.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Agreed, well to an extent. We don't really have "control" of these things at all.

We can't fully stop our urges, sure they just happen whether we really want them to or not. Sometimes we have to give in to them because it's essential for our survival and for our sanity because if we always ignored them we would die and no one would be reproducing. But when it's not essential we can still put a hold to them if following these urges aren't to our long-term advantage.

I'm asking since our bodily desires does affect the choices we make. We desire material things and carnal pleasure even if you believe in the idea of the soul that can act independent and against carnal and material desires? Or do you believe that we have no free will and what are bodies want is ultimately what we want?

 

[BlkPillPres]

I'm asking since our bodily desires does affect the choices we make. We desire material things and carnal pleasure even if you believe in the idea of the soul that can act independent and against carnal and material desires? Or do you believe that we have no free will and what are bodies want is ultimately what we want?

I believe that we only want most of the things we want BECAUSE were "inside" our bodies. If we existed in a form independent of our bodies without it's cravings, we'd probably want for nothing outside of entertainment. It would be a boring existence though, I don't even know what we'd use to entertain ourselves.

This is something I think about that most religiousfags clearly don't think about, this is why when I ask them questions like this they are stuck and they don't know how to answer. Basically, after spending decades upon decades of listening to music, watching violent and sex themed movies, playing violent and sex themed games, having sex, etc, how will you even be able to cope with spending eternity in heaven where all of these things are banned?

Our entire idea of "enjoyment" revolves around "sin", so for the people who make it into heaven, what will there even be to enjoy? (assuming there even is a heaven or that the Christian God is the "one true God").

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

I believe that we only want most of the things we want BECAUSE were "inside" our bodies. If we existed in a form independent of our bodies without it's cravings, we'd probably want for nothing outside of entertainment. It would be a boring existence though, I don't even know what we'd use to entertain ourselves.

This is something I think about that most religiousfags clearly don't think about, this is why when I ask them questions like this they are stuck and they don't know how to answer. Basically, after spending decades upon decades of listening to music, watching violent and sex themed movies, playing violent and sex themed games, having sex, etc, how will you even be able to cope with spending eternity in heaven where all of these things are banned?

Our entire idea of "enjoyment" revolves around "sin", so for the people who make it into heaven, what will there even be to enjoy? (assuming there even is a heaven or that the Christian God is the "one true God").

I see. I understand since what our bodies desire feels good to us. It feels good to eat a delicious gourmet meal. It feels good to have sex with an attractive Stacy. But we are programmed to enjoy these things not for the sake of enjoyment in itself, but because eating and reproducing is essential to the survial of our genes.

If we didn't enjoyed eating or sex we would all die out. It wouldn't be worth spending your time and energy and taking risk hunting for food, or courting a mate to engage in said act of sex, or having to wageslave and wealthmaxx to get both. They woud all be tedious activities otherwise.

Nowadays, food is easily obtainable and very accessible at least in the first world, which is why many people eat way beyond what they need to survive and do it mostly for pleasure, some even to an addictive level, which is why many people are obese. Sex on the other hand isn't cheap or easily accessible for men. Even though we don't need sex necessarily to stay alive and there there are people among us who rationally don't want children, nonetheless it's a need in the sense that we would all go insane if we didn't had constant access to it.

As for the violence, I don't see how we enjoy hurting other people just for the sake of hurting other people, besides for the sake of our own defense. Even if we want what other people have, there are peaceful ways of obtaining it.

But let's say we didn't need to eat to survive or if sex wasn't enjoyable anymore and that are bodies can't be harmed by the elements, and thus people don't have to wageslave or put in any effort to remain alive. We still desire things that are beyond the biological, whether these are intellectual or creative pursuits. We would still want certain luxuries, even if they aren't necessarily for our survival, because we have an interest or sentimental value to them. People collect things like video games, books, computers, etc. and they are still willing to pay for them and we wouldn't want to feel deprived from not having such objects so there will still be conflict for such things even if we dont have to fight each other to survive. Or would you say we wouldn't have desire or conflict if we didn't have biological imperatives.

I still hold the belief that we can act independent of our bodies. Yes, we do want to satisfy our carnal urges, but we also want material and abstract things and to have security over them even if they aren't essential to our biological needs.

 

[Blackcel rigth wing]

This is something I think about that most religiousfags clearly don't think about, this is why when I ask them questions like this they are stuck and they don't know how to answer. Basically, after spending decades upon decades of listening to music, watching violent and sex themed movies, playing violent and sex themed games, having sex, etc, how will you even be able to cope with spending eternity in heaven where all of these things are banned?

Their god will have to change their whole nature. They’ll have to transcend their humanity likely. The problem I have with most religions is they humanize God too much. God likely don’t think like humans have the same morals or no morals what’s so ever.

I might make a thread on this but morals are only for mortals not immortals or amortals ( neither 'alive' or 'dead') if humans were all invulnerable and couldn’t die or be hurt do you think we’ll be moral or have the same current idea of morality?

Humanity likely don’t want to interact with other worldly beings they might be terrified of them.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Their god will have to change their whole nature. They’ll have to transcend their humanity likely. The problem I have with most religions is they humanize God too much. God likely don’t think like humans have the same morals or no morals what’s so ever.

I might make a thread on this but morals are only for mortals not immortals or amortals ( neither 'alive' or 'dead') if humans were all invulnerable and couldn’t die or be hurt do you think we’ll be moral or have the same current idea of morality?

Humanity likely don’t want to interact with other worldly beings they might be terrified of them.

God made mankind in His likeness and in His image. When Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, they became like God.

God ate food, God knew about human sexuality. His Son Jesus came to Earth in human form, died in the flesh, resurrected in the flesh, and ascended in the flesh.

 

[Blackcel rigth wing]

God made mankind in His likeness and in His image. When Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, they became like God.

God ate food, God knew about human sexuality. His Son Jesus came to Earth in human form, died in the flesh, resurrected in the flesh, and ascended in the flesh.

Like I said this is a very simplistic idea of God and comes back to humanity self centred mentality. You don’t KNOW how an other worldly being thinks like and how it processes information, especially one that transcends its 'own' creation. All religions have to 'dumb' their god down to make IT relatable, because if it wasn’t you’ll never be able to understand or relate to it.

 

[SoySupreme]

Sad but true. Why necro an old thread though?

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Like I said this is a very simplistic idea of God and comes back to humanity self centred mentality. You don’t KNOW how an other worldly being thinks like and how it processes information, especially one that transcends its 'own' creation. All religions have to 'dumb' their god down to make IT relatable, because if it wasn’t you’ll never be able to understand or relate to it.

Some say God is an interdimensional alien who created humans to do their bidding.

God does his own thing and doesn't desire what we humans desire since most religions see him as a spiritual being rather than a carnal one. Though, this does beg the question why God designed humans to have temporary mortal lives who need food and shelter to stay alive and who wants to pass on their genes to create other humans that we leave behind before we die, and why God designed us to desire "sin". And why the concept of sin exists in the first place.

This is something I think about that most religiousfags clearly don't think about, this is why when I ask them questions like this they are stuck and they don't know how to answer. Basically, after spending decades upon decades of listening to music, watching violent and sex themed movies, playing violent and sex themed games, having sex, etc, how will you even be able to cope with spending eternity in heaven where all of these things are banned?

You know, some religions do incorporate sexuality as part of the afterlife. Of course in Islam, if a Muslim man dies in jihad he gets to go to heaven with 72 virgins that he gets to fuck for all eternity.

Now of course, you can argue that's all propaganda to get men to convert and die in a war.

Likewise, Mormons believe that God, or Heavenly Father, had multiple wives in heaven and he procreates with them to produce spirit children that incarnate into humans. They believe that if a man dies and is righteous enough to enter the Celestial Kingdom he brings his wives along to with him.