JFL Guess phenotype by lower third

[AsiaCel]

Unrelated but aren't most slavs and latinos basically "hapa"?

I'd say the mixture in Slavs is too low for them to be considered a hapa race.

Whether someone should be considered hapa should be based on how he/she looks, the scientific methods of skull measurement.

Latinos yes. Even though most of them are mixed, there are too many different mixtures for them to be collectively Labelled as a race, like Desi people are. ultimately these groups are products of ethnogenesis, the making of a new ethnicity group based on mixtures.

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

Nigga I said latinos not mexicans

Mexicans are mixed as fuck even for jewtino standards

I know but they are benchmark for latin 'race''

peruvians are mostly indo american ( andid group of phenotypes ) while argentinians are mostly made southern european group of phenotypes

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

I'd say the mixture in Slavs is too low for them to be considered a hapa race.

Whether someone should be considered hapa should be based on how he/she looks, the scientific methods of skull measurement.

Latinos yes. Even though most of them are mixed, there are too many different mixtures for them to be collectively Labelled as a race, like Desi people are. ultimately these groups are products of ethnogenesis, the making of a new ethnicity group based on mixtures.

Btw what do you think of 2 most classical ( ok 3 ) phenos of India

North Indid
Gracile Indid
Indo Brachid

 

[AsiaCel]

Btw what do you think of 2 most classical ( ok 3 ) phenos of India

North Indid
Gracile Indid
Indo Brachid

Indian raves can be described as a scroller on australoid (Dravidians) and caucasoid (specifically the iranic kind; indo Aryan)

In general the more south the more abo

 

[Sewer Koala]

I'd say the mixture in Slavs is too low for them to be considered a hapa race.

Whether someone should be considered hapa should be based on how he/she looks, the scientific methods of skull measurement.

Latinos yes. Even though most of them are mixed, there are too many different mixtures for them to be collectively Labelled as a race, like Desi people are. ultimately these groups are products of ethnogenesis, the making of a new ethnicity group based on mixtures.

I don't like classifying certain people as races. A "Latino" could be mixed as fuck like Mexicans/Peruvians as well as pure whites without a single drop of ethnic blood as most Argentinians/Uruguayans/Chileans are.

Curries are also too diverse to be classified as a race, I've seen curries that look literally just like your average rice.

I agree with you on the slavs.

Now that I think about it, even classifying Southern Europeans as a unique race doesn't seem fair to me. There are white southern europeans as well as mixed ones who are more sandnigger than white.

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

Now that I think about it, even classifying Southern Europeans as a unique race doesn't seem fair to me. There are white southern europeans as well as mixed ones who are more sandnigger than white.

Think about it more like group of certain traits rather than race

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

I don't like classifying certain people as races. A "Latino" could be mixed as fuck like Mexicans/Peruvians as well as pure whites without a single drop of ethnic blood as most Argentinians/Uruguayans/Chileans are.

All new world nations are like this besides America cause it's really special case

 

[Sewer Koala]

@To koniec u're right

do you have more phenos to guess them?

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

@To koniec u're right

do you have more phenos to guess them?

 

[AsiaCel]

I don't like classifying certain people as races. A "Latino" could be mixed as fuck like Mexicans/Peruvians as well as pure whites without a single drop of ethnic blood as most Argentinians/Uruguayans/Chileans are.

Curries are also too diverse to be classified as a race, I've seen curries that look literally just like your average rice.

I agree with you on the slavs.

Now that I think about it, even classifying Southern Europeans as a unique race doesn't seem fair to me. There are white southern europeans as well as mixed ones who are more sandnigger than white.

Race should be evaluated on a individual basis. A country can have people of different races and their mixtures.

The term Desi basically group these Caucasoid+Australoid phenotypes together.

You can absolutely classify people as races and phenotypes (phenotypes is even more accurate).

There are only 5 races: mongoloid, australoid, Caucasoid, capoid, congoid.

But among them there are many groups with different phenotypes. The Syrian people for example, are Caucasoid, just like Nordic, but may have different skin tone, eye color and so on. I think their facial bones are similar though.

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

But among them there are many groups with different phenotypes. The Syrian people for example, are Caucasoid, just like Nordic, but may have different skin tone, eye color and so on. I think their facial bones are similar though.

Yes and no

Caucasian race are divided into Alpinids Cromagnoids Mediterraneans ( a textbook caucasoids )

Mediterraneans are divided into proper type, Nordid ( adapted to cold temp ), Orientalids ( adapted to to dry hot climate ) and Indids which are adapted to tropical climate.

 

[Sewer Koala]

Race should be evaluated on a individual basis. A country can have people of different races and their mixtures.

The term Desi basically group these Caucasoid+Australoid phenotypes together.

You can absolutely classify people as races and phenotypes (phenotypes is even more accurate).

There are only 5 races: mongoloid, australoid, Caucasoid, capoid, congoid.

But among them there are many groups with different phenotypes. The Syrian people for example, are Caucasoid, just like Nordic, but may have different skin tone, eye color and so on. I think their facial bones are similar though.

High iq answer tbh, thx brocel

 

[AsiaCel]

Yes and no

Caucasian race are divided into Alpinids Cromagnoids Mediterraneans ( a textbook caucasoids )

Mediterraneans are divided into proper type, Nordid ( adapted to cold temp ), Orientalids ( adapted to to dry hot climate ) and Indids which are adapted to tropical climate.

High iq answer tbh, thx brocel

One fact that people needs to notice is that other than phenotype and looks, certain groups can also have different behavioral traits from living in their land for a long time and preference for certain traits via mate selection. For example, the obsession with religions and violence is an Arabic "trademark" despite their similar looks to some Mediterranean groups.

 

[Sewer Koala]

One fact that people needs to notice is that other than phenotype and looks, certain groups can also have different behavioral traits from living in their land for a long time and preference for certain traits via mate selection. For example, the obsession with religions and violence is an Arabic "trademark" despite their similar looks to some Mediterranean groups.

True

Btw sorry if my post sounded like I was saying the "there's only one race: the human race" jewish slop, race is absolutely real but maybe my post could've been misinterpreted

 

[Excalibur]

For example, the obsession with religions and violence is an Arabic "trademark"

I personally believe that is a result of them living in an unforgiving, harsh desert environment unlike European meds who live in a relatively temperate environment

 

[Sewer Koala]

I personally believe that is a result of them living in an unforgiving, harsh desert environment unlike European meds who live in a relatively temperate environment

I heard a theory about cold climates and their impact on civilizing races

 

[AsiaCel]

I personally believe that is a result of them living in an unforgiving, harsh desert environment unlike European meds who live in a relatively temperate environment

I live in a super hot place, comparable to Arab level of heat when humdity is accounted for. I can see why the people in Arab world haven't evolved too much intelligence and behavior wise.

When you're sweating extremely hard, thinking is inhibited, and it would take extra effort to think with the same efficiency as if you were in a cold place.

Therefore, for hot weather people to develop things like IQ, extra energy (more food), motivation, and certain traits are needed.

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

I live in a super hot place, comparable to Arab level of heat when humdity is accounted for. I can see why the people in Arab world haven't evolved too much intelligence and behavior wise.

When you're sweating extremely hard, thinking is inhibited, and it would take extra effort to think with the same efficiency as if you were in a cold place.

Therefore, for hot weather people to develop things like IQ, extra energy (more food), motivation, and certain traits are needed.

Arabs anchieved something in past tho

 

[AsiaCel]

Arabs anchieved something in past tho

Ethncities can degenerate over time (the opposite is rare).

For example, the thug gangster may be chosen for mating because he holds up other people food in time of starvation, and overall empathy is lowered, while aggressive increased in the population.

 

[Hoodpreet]

Unrelated but aren't most slavs and latinos basically "hapa"?

Slavs have a very minuscule (single digit) percentage of East Eurasian DNA on avg. They’re firmly part of the European cluster.

I don't like classifying certain people as races. A "Latino" could be mixed as fuck like Mexicans/Peruvians as well as pure whites without a single drop of ethnic blood as most Argentinians/Uruguayans/Chileans are.

That’s because Latino is less of a race and more of a geographic/cultural identifier. Latinos themselves are mostly mutts.

Curries are also too diverse to be classified as a race, I've seen curries that look literally just like your average rice.

No they aren’t. A Kalash from the North of Pakistan and a mid-caste Keralite from the deep South of jeetland have roughly as much distance between them as a Scandinavian and a Sicilian.

Now that I think about it, even classifying Southern Europeans as a unique race doesn't seem fair to me. There are white southern europeans as well as mixed ones who are more sandnigger than white.

There are no South Euros who are more sand than white (or if they do exist, they’re a fringe minority at best). MENA DNA averages very, very low percentages in South Euros (single digits, just like Asian DNA in Slavs). Southern Europeans are part of the European cluster, aka white.

This is the age-old fallacy of basing taxonomy entirely on physical anthropology/morphology. We have autosomal ancestry testing and genetic clustering technology now

 

[Sewer Koala]

Slavs have a very minuscule (single digit) percentage of East Eurasian DNA on avg. They’re firmly part of the European cluster.

That’s because Latino is less of a race and more of a geographic/cultural identifier. Latinos themselves are mostly mutts.

No they aren’t. A Kalash from the North of Pakistan and a mid-caste Keralite from the deep South of jeetland have roughly as much distance between them as a Scandinavian and a Sicilian.

There are no South Euros who are more sand than white (or if they do exist, they’re a fringe minority at best). MENA DNA averages very, very low percentages in South Euros (single digits, just like Asian DNA in Slavs). Southern Europeans are part of the European cluster, aka white.

This is the age-old fallacy of basing taxonomy entirely on physical anthropology/morphology. We have autosomal ancestry testing and genetic clustering technology now

I see, thx brocel

 

[AsiaCel]

Slavs have a very minuscule (single digit) percentage of East Eurasian DNA on avg. They’re firmly part of the European cluster.

That’s because Latino is less of a race and more of a geographic/cultural identifier. Latinos themselves are mostly mutts.

No they aren’t. A Kalash from the North of Pakistan and a mid-caste Keralite from the deep South of jeetland have roughly as much distance between them as a Scandinavian and a Sicilian.

There are no South Euros who are more sand than white (or if they do exist, they’re a fringe minority at best). MENA DNA averages very, very low percentages in South Euros (single digits, just like Asian DNA in Slavs). Southern Europeans are part of the European cluster, aka white.

This is the age-old fallacy of basing taxonomy entirely on physical anthropology/morphology. We have autosomal ancestry testing and genetic clustering technology now

I think phenotyping and ancestry testing are a different beast. They do line with each other for obvious cases, but sometimes, unrelated ethnicity groups may develop similar traits to adapt to the environment, making determining ancestry difficult with just skull measuring alone.

 

[Hoodpreet]

I see, thx brocel

Some genetic data if you want it for reference:

^ Natufian ancestry map (MENA component in Italians)

^ Iberomaurusian ancestry map (MENA component in Iberians)

^ East Eurasian admixture map

^ West Eurasian (Caucasoid) genetic clustering chart. You can see who makes up the European cluster here

 

[Lonely Slav]

No they aren’t. A Kalash from the North of Pakistan and a mid-caste Keralite from the deep South of jeetland have roughly as much distance between them as a Scandinavian and a Sicilian.

Sorry, but this is very incorrect. The Fst between, say, Swedes and Italians is around 0.02. The Fst between a Kalash and a mid-caste Keralite would be 0.04-0.06.

Visualization:

(The second image is within India alone, let alone the diversity of the entirety of South Asia)

This is because Indians are the result of extremely divergent populations colliding. India has extreme parallels to Europe and more genetic diversity within it than there is within Europe because of this. Europe is homogenous, India is not.

 

[Lonely Slav]

There are no South Euros who are more sand than white (or if they do exist, they’re a fringe minority at best). MENA DNA averages very, very low percentages in South Euros (single digits, just like Asian DNA in Slavs). Southern Europeans are part of the European cluster, aka white.

This is also just as dishonest as saying they are Levantines or MENA.

 

[Hoodpreet]

Sorry, but this is very incorrect. The Fst between, say, Swedes and Italians is around 0.02. The Fst between a Kalash and a mid-caste Keralite would be 0.04-0.06.
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Visualization:
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(The second image is within India alone, let alone the diversity of the entirety of South Asia)

This is because Indians are the result of extremely divergent populations colliding. India has extreme parallels to Europe and more genetic diversity within it than there is within Europe because of this. Europe is homogenous, India is not.

I was going off of G25 data. But I’ve heard G25 isn’t the best tool for mixed-race populations (which curries are, as we’re West Eurasian + Australo-Melanesian mixed), so your source might be more accurate

 

[Hoodpreet]

This is also just as dishonest as saying they are Levantines or MENA.

Elab? I know some coastal Southern Euros are toward the periphery of the European cluster (and have a higher degree of common ancestry with MENA), but the sources I’ve seen illustrate them to be still very much European. You can see some above in a reply to autistic.goblin, but there’s also these:

 

[Lonely Slav]

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I was going off of G25 data. But I’ve heard G25 isn’t the best tool for mixed-race populations (which curries are, as we’re West Eurasian + Australo-Melanesian mixed),

The samples aren't great for Italians either. It shows Central Italians as more south shifted than Peloponnese. It also shows S. Italians closer to Levantines than to Northern Italians or French, yet every paper shows the opposite.

so your source might be more accurate

My source is standard literature. G25 is an amateurs tool. My source is more accurate. The problem is there are new nonsensical ideas being created with sub-optimal amateur tools that use synthetic components.

Elab? I know some coastal Southern Euros are toward the periphery of the European cluster (and have a higher degree of common ancestry with MENA), but the sources I’ve seen illustrate them to be still very much European. You can see some above in a reply to autistic.goblin, but there’s also these:
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Well, I’m talking about overall ancestry, not genetic distance, and I never claimed they weren’t European, so your images are irrelevant. Secondly, contrary to what you said Natufian isn’t the only "MENA component" in Italians. it’s actually the smallest. Their Iran_N/CHG component is much higher from Greek and Levantine influences:

Other than Southern Italians, Greek islanders, Cypriots, Canarians, Maltese, and East Thracians, I agree with you.

 

[loopcel]

If not, some kind of alpinid

Kelto Alpinid

oh my god please don't let this website become another apricity, physical anthropology classifications on .is jfl

 

[Hoodpreet]

The samples aren't great for Italians either. It shows Central Italians as more south shifted than Peloponnese. It also shows S. Italians closer to Levantines than to Northern Italians or French, yet every paper shows the opposite.

I see. Didn’t know that.

My source is standard literature. G25 is an amateurs tool. My source is more accurate. The problem is there are new nonsensical ideas being created with sub-optimal amateur tools that use synthetic components.

I found those G25 charts a while ago on X. They were posted by some curry nationalist account who was trying to assert curries being one race lol.

It’s been hard to come by genetic studies on South Asians for me unfortunately. Would appreciate if you could share some.

Well, I’m talking about overall ancestry, not genetic distance, and I never claimed they weren’t European, so your images are irrelevant. Secondly, contrary to what you said Natufian isn’t the only "MENA component" in Italians. it’s actually the smallest. Their Iran_N/CHG component is much higher from Greek and Levantine influences:
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I see. Didn’t know this but ig it makes sense due to Anatolian Greek migration to Italy during antiquity

Other than Southern Italians, Greek islanders, Cypriots, Canarians, Maltese, and East Thracians, I agree with you.

 

[Sewer Koala]

we’re

I thought you weren't actually curry

 

[Hoodpreet]

I thought you weren't actually curry

Nigga why the fuck would I LARP as curry?? It’s curries who LARP as every other demographic under the Sun

 

[Sewer Koala]

Nigga why the fuck would I LARP as curry?? It’s curries who LARP as every other demographic under the Sun

You got a point

Still aryan tho

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

oh my god please don't let this website become another apricity, physical anthropology classifications on .is jfl

It's always has been like this graynigger

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

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^ East Eurasian admixture map

Always loved how this map shows Scandinavians to have similar levels of that admixture as Slavs do, and lower than Poles who are the second most populous Slavic group, yet their whiteness is not only absolutely never in question, they are seen as the pinnacle of it. I always made a point of mentioning this whenever DarkStar posted this map, and he never reacted to that.

Also with how they are just as anti-Russian as most CEE countries, yet their dislike of the country is never bellitled, they are never called stupid for it, and only CEEs are "butthurt belters". Nordic halo is potent as fuck ngl.

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

Also with how they are just as anti-Russian as most CEE countries, yet their dislike of the country is never bellitled, they are never called stupid for it, and only CEEs are "butthurt belters". Nordic halo is potent as fuck ngl.

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

It's ragefuel ngl.

 

[Hoodpreet]

Always loved how this map shows Scandinavians to have similar levels of that admixture as Slavs do,

It never came as a surprise to me ngl since I figured they'd be a tad bit mixed with the Saami.

and lower than Poles who are the second most populous Slavic group, yet their whiteness is not only absolutely never in question, they are seen as the pinnacle of it.

True JFL.

I always made a point of mentioning this whenever DarkStar posted this map, and he never reacted to that.

Also with how they are just as anti-Russian as most CEE countries, yet their dislike of the country is never bellitled, they are never called stupid for it, and only CEEs are "butthurt belters". Nordic halo is potent as fuck ngl.

Brutal

 

[loopcel]

graynigger

 

[Lonely Slav]

I found those G25 charts a while ago on X. They were posted by some curry nationalist account who was trying to assert curries being one race lol.

It’s been hard to come by genetic studies on South Asians for me unfortunately. Would appreciate if you could share some.

Genetics and archaeogenetics of South Asia - Wikipedia

wikipedia.org

I see. Didn’t know this but ig it makes sense due to Anatolian Greek migration to Italy during antiquity

Also due to Levantine/Eastern Mediterranean influence hence why Imperial and post-Imperial admix is relevant. Ancient Geeks were a high EEF population with some Iran_N/CHG. Southerns have more near eastern DNA than any Bronze age Greek they could've admixed with. Different situation.

Compare:

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

Also with how they are just as anti-Russian as most CEE countries, yet their dislike of the country is never bellitled, they are never called stupid for it, and only CEEs are "butthurt belters". Nordic halo is potent as fuck ngl.

I hate this shit so fucking much.

Danish prime minister Mette Frederiksen vowed to push ahead with Ukraine’s accession to the European Union despite Hungary’s veto, saying she would not allow “one country and Viktor Orbán” to block the process and calling for progress in technical talks with the bloc (16:55, 16:58, 17:07).

Frederiksen also warned that Russia was “testing us more than ever” as she said that Russia “will not stop until they are forced to” (10:28) and that “this war was never just about Ukraine” (10:34) as she told leaders to make Europe “so strong that a war is no longer an option” (16:49), echoing earlier warnings by Poland’s Donald Tusk who stressed that “if Ukraine loses, it means our failure” (11:15).

Europe needs political will to act and cut ties with Russia, says Zelenskyy after leaders summit – as it happened

Comments from Ukraine’s president come after the seventh summit of the European Political Community

www.theguardian.com

Reaction from Russia supporters online? Zero.

Like seriously, just about the entire Russia-supporting Twittersphere went completely quiet during the incident with Russian drones over Danish cities just so they wouldn't accidentally even imply that a Nordic government might be in the wrong. Nordic halo is something otherworldly powerful, I swear.