Well...This is the first I’ve heard of said theory, but based on both observation and experience, I’d have to conclude that it’s probably the biggest pile of wet dog shit I’ve ever heard....
Full Disclosure: I’m not sure if I fit the textbook definition of an “Incel” as I’m not a virgin (escort at 23) and have been in two short term relationships (both cheated on me after a few months) but as a guy whose 5’6”, a 3/10 (on a good day) with major Depression and severe social anxiety who has been bullied and treated like dog shit by literally everyone I’ve ever befriended regardless of gender, I feel like the incel label defines the man that I am today.
(Also I tend to reply with long winded rants)
While being “loud” and extroverted are indeed very positive traits for men to have, it’s not going to help a guy who is just flat out unattractive, because at the end of the day, women only care about 3 things.....
Looks (being super tall or super rich can sometimes negate the need for looks as ALL women are genetically programmed to be attracted to tall men regardless of what they claim)
Height (If you’re under 5’8”-5’10”, then you as a guy have absolutely no business looking for women to date...Even if you have a 10/10 face with more money than Elon Musk, she’ll definitely cheat and end up leaving you for a taller guy as soon as she meets one)
Money (This was the “salvation” of sorts for short and ugly baby boomers/Gen X...Wait till the first wave of divorces happens and then end up as some used up single mother’s personal atm...But thanks to the rise of modern day feminism, online dating and social media women often end up in better positions than men in the work force and don’t need financial help...Basically Money isn’t gonna save a short or ugly Millennial)
Furthermore , An “extroverted” personality will almost NEVER make up for any guy lacking in any of those three areas and usually end with said guy being labeled as annoying/Napoleonic/Creepy etc...
According to most women I’ve interacted with...
Loud, Obnoxious Ugly Dude = Creepy and Socially awkward/Probably has Aspergers
Loud, Obnoxious Short Guy = Napoleonic/has little man syndrome/Pathetic/Overcompensating
Loud Obnoxious Tall/Attractive guy = Fun/Dominant/Super Attractive
Quiet Ugly/Short Guy = Probably a serial killer/creepy pedophile/registered sex offender/closeted homosexual (according to other men)
Quiet Tall/Attractive Guy = Interesting/“Mysterious”/Endearing/Strong/Sweet etc...
And of course I have examples...
Ex 1: Former drummer of a band I was in back in 2010
-6’3”
-Dog ass ugly (huge nose, horrible acne, sickly skinny with a beer gut, lazy eye, chronically dopey expression)
-Heavy Smoker (he constantly stunk like cigarettes)
-So incredibly stupid and childishly immature that it was almost impossible to have a conversation with him that didn’t involve weed, dick, tits and fart jokes.
-Flunked our of HS and has worked at the local Shop Rite ever since 2009
-Lives in a double wide with his crack head father
-Had his drivers license revoked in 2012 after his tenth DWI
-Bullied all through elementary and middle school due to his looks and stupidity until he shot through the roof in HS and then suddenly he was a God among men...
This guy has both fucked and had long term relationships with more drop dead gorgeous women in his 27 years than I have ever had conversations with....and over 50% of those relationships ended because he cheated on them with different women...
All because he’s 6’3”
Ex2: A guy I graduated with
-5’5”
-A 9.5/10 looks wise according to most women (Zach Effron with blonde hair)
-The single most confident, charismatic, charming and extroverted social butterfly of a person that I’ve ever met in 29 years
-Women used to literally fight for his attention in class
-He was basically that “cool short dude” who was friends with literally everyone
-After flunking out of college, he took over his dads very successful catering company and now makes a ton of money...
-He has been married 4 times to drop dead gorgeous women (one was an Italian model) and each one of them cheated on and then divorced him for a taller guy... (Realistically, he’s just lucky he didn’t have kids with any of them)
-Nowadays he just drinks a lot and sleeps around with used up, trashy, overweight women because what decent looking woman past 19-20 is gonna want anything at all to do with a guy whose only 5’5”?
-My supervisor at work (security for a casino)
-6’1”
-7.5-8/10 looks wise
-Literally every female employee (married or not) at this job wants him
-Stereotypically quiet, sneaky and super socially awkward
-A low key drug addict/alcoholic
-Regularly fucks up his job and blames it on us
-A cowardly asshole who escalates problems by insulting and antagonizing guests before walking away and telling us to “deal with them”
-The biggest kiss ass/suck up I’ve ever met
-Hit his ex girlfriend in the parking lot when she showed up demanding child support (He has 3 kids from 2 different women)
-Got his ass kicked by a customer after it was revealed that he had been sleeping with said customer’s fiancé (Very satisfying to watch if I don’t say so)
-When our old supervisor retired, it came down to this guy and another hard working, 27 year old ex marine with great people skills and expertise in the field...Who happens to only be 5’7”
-Guess who got the job.... (even after he was seen on camera beating his ex and regularly sexually harassing women on the gaming floor)
6’1” > 5’7”
Ex 3: Guy I used to get high with in college
-5’3” (but insists he’s 5’8”)
-Entertainingly Hysterical (In a “butt of all jokes” kind of way...like his way of entertaining people was to do stupid shit and have people laugh at (not with) him)
-Moderately wealthy (His dead mother left him her mansion and a massive fortune...that took about 15 years to sniff up his nose lol)
-Was always down to “smoke up” and share pot/coke (which usually led to tons of people “chilling” at his house and doing all his drugs while roasting and abusing him)
-Would regularly refer to himself as “The king of the friend zone” as he was a “sexually invisible guy friend” to virtually every woman on campus (all of which turned him down because he was too short)
-The only women he ever dated were after his mothers money, one of which actually stole over 20k from his safe
-As of 2017, he is a 31 year old virgin who sees himself as “above prostitution” which in all honesty is pretty admirable, but not exactly realistic for a 5’3” “creep”
The irony being that if he was at least 5’10” he’d be king of the world and all the “creepy” shit he does would matter at all...
In conclusion, extroversion is utterly meaningless unless you’re super tall and physically attractive
Full Disclosure: I’m not sure if I fit the textbook definition of an “Incel” as I’m not a virgin (escort at 23) and have been in two short term relationships (both cheated on me after a few months) but as a guy whose 5’6”, a 3/10 (on a good day) with major Depression and severe social anxiety who has been bullied and treated like dog shit by literally everyone I’ve ever befriended regardless of gender, I feel like the incel label defines the man that I am today.
(Also I tend to reply with long winded rants)
While being “loud” and extroverted are indeed very positive traits for men to have, it’s not going to help a guy who is just flat out unattractive, because at the end of the day, women only care about 3 things.....
Looks (being super tall or super rich can sometimes negate the need for looks as ALL women are genetically programmed to be attracted to tall men regardless of what they claim)
Height (If you’re under 5’8”-5’10”, then you as a guy have absolutely no business looking for women to date...Even if you have a 10/10 face with more money than Elon Musk, she’ll definitely cheat and end up leaving you for a taller guy as soon as she meets one)
Money (This was the “salvation” of sorts for short and ugly baby boomers/Gen X...Wait till the first wave of divorces happens and then end up as some used up single mother’s personal atm...But thanks to the rise of modern day feminism, online dating and social media women often end up in better positions than men in the work force and don’t need financial help...Basically Money isn’t gonna save a short or ugly Millennial)
Furthermore , An “extroverted” personality will almost NEVER make up for any guy lacking in any of those three areas and usually end with said guy being labeled as annoying/Napoleonic/Creepy etc...
According to most women I’ve interacted with...
Loud, Obnoxious Ugly Dude = Creepy and Socially awkward/Probably has Aspergers
Loud, Obnoxious Short Guy = Napoleonic/has little man syndrome/Pathetic/Overcompensating
Loud Obnoxious Tall/Attractive guy = Fun/Dominant/Super Attractive
Quiet Ugly/Short Guy = Probably a serial killer/creepy pedophile/registered sex offender/closeted homosexual (according to other men)
Quiet Tall/Attractive Guy = Interesting/“Mysterious”/Endearing/Strong/Sweet etc...
And of course I have examples...
Ex 1: Former drummer of a band I was in back in 2010
-6’3”
-Dog ass ugly (huge nose, horrible acne, sickly skinny with a beer gut, lazy eye, chronically dopey expression)
-Heavy Smoker (he constantly stunk like cigarettes)
-So incredibly stupid and childishly immature that it was almost impossible to have a conversation with him that didn’t involve weed, dick, tits and fart jokes.
-Flunked our of HS and has worked at the local Shop Rite ever since 2009
-Lives in a double wide with his crack head father
-Had his drivers license revoked in 2012 after his tenth DWI
-Bullied all through elementary and middle school due to his looks and stupidity until he shot through the roof in HS and then suddenly he was a God among men...
This guy has both fucked and had long term relationships with more drop dead gorgeous women in his 27 years than I have ever had conversations with....and over 50% of those relationships ended because he cheated on them with different women...
All because he’s 6’3”
Ex2: A guy I graduated with
-5’5”
-A 9.5/10 looks wise according to most women (Zach Effron with blonde hair)
-The single most confident, charismatic, charming and extroverted social butterfly of a person that I’ve ever met in 29 years
-Women used to literally fight for his attention in class
-He was basically that “cool short dude” who was friends with literally everyone
-After flunking out of college, he took over his dads very successful catering company and now makes a ton of money...
-He has been married 4 times to drop dead gorgeous women (one was an Italian model) and each one of them cheated on and then divorced him for a taller guy... (Realistically, he’s just lucky he didn’t have kids with any of them)
-Nowadays he just drinks a lot and sleeps around with used up, trashy, overweight women because what decent looking woman past 19-20 is gonna want anything at all to do with a guy whose only 5’5”?
-My supervisor at work (security for a casino)
-6’1”
-7.5-8/10 looks wise
-Literally every female employee (married or not) at this job wants him
-Stereotypically quiet, sneaky and super socially awkward
-A low key drug addict/alcoholic
-Regularly fucks up his job and blames it on us
-A cowardly asshole who escalates problems by insulting and antagonizing guests before walking away and telling us to “deal with them”
-The biggest kiss ass/suck up I’ve ever met
-Hit his ex girlfriend in the parking lot when she showed up demanding child support (He has 3 kids from 2 different women)
-Got his ass kicked by a customer after it was revealed that he had been sleeping with said customer’s fiancé (Very satisfying to watch if I don’t say so)
-When our old supervisor retired, it came down to this guy and another hard working, 27 year old ex marine with great people skills and expertise in the field...Who happens to only be 5’7”
-Guess who got the job.... (even after he was seen on camera beating his ex and regularly sexually harassing women on the gaming floor)
6’1” > 5’7”
Ex 3: Guy I used to get high with in college
-5’3” (but insists he’s 5’8”)
- A 2-3/10 (Balding, chronic bad breath and nasty yellow teeth from smoking, overweight, has a permanent squint without his oversized, Emo kid glasses, wears clothes that are way too big for him etc...
-Entertainingly Hysterical (In a “butt of all jokes” kind of way...like his way of entertaining people was to do stupid shit and have people laugh at (not with) him)
-Moderately wealthy (His dead mother left him her mansion and a massive fortune...that took about 15 years to sniff up his nose lol)
-Was always down to “smoke up” and share pot/coke (which usually led to tons of people “chilling” at his house and doing all his drugs while roasting and abusing him)
-Would regularly refer to himself as “The king of the friend zone” as he was a “sexually invisible guy friend” to virtually every woman on campus (all of which turned him down because he was too short)
-The only women he ever dated were after his mothers money, one of which actually stole over 20k from his safe
-As of 2017, he is a 31 year old virgin who sees himself as “above prostitution” which in all honesty is pretty admirable, but not exactly realistic for a 5’3” “creep”
The irony being that if he was at least 5’10” he’d be king of the world and all the “creepy” shit he does would matter at all...
In conclusion, extroversion is utterly meaningless unless you’re super tall and physically attractive
