Genuine Question to Believers

[reaksl]

I never really understood how people easily get into believing in God or a higher power. I'm not really interested in converting or anything, but I'm just curious. I've read my fair share of religious texts like the Bible, and even studied the origins and beliefs of various religions.

Is it comfort the fact that you might be alone for the rest of your life? It can't be for morality. Maybe it's easier to believe someone is making your life like this? I have so many questions, but I cannot seem to form them into a coherent sentence. How can you believe in something like this so strongly?

What really drives me away from most believers is the influx of religious psychosis I see nowadays. I'm sick of all the blabber they spew, so none of that please.

 

[FAG DESTROYER]

Belief in God comes first. I know that something cant come from nothing

 

[Decal1us_____]

I’m not the type of believer you’re looking to answer your question, but I do believe an evil god(saturn/the demiurge) did create our universe and has trapped us in a reincarnation matrix to feed off our suffering

 

[based_meme]

Belief in God comes first. I know that something cant come from nothing

No, belief in God comes later. You start from first principles, one of which is "something cannot come from nothing," and then much later on you conclude that there must be a creator god.

 

[FAG DESTROYER]

No, belief in God comes later. You start from first principles, one of which is "something cannot come from nothing," and then much later on you conclude that there must be a creator god.

Yeah, thats what i meant

 

[Caesercel]

It's just conditioning, like everything else in life. I must add that people must believe in something to be able to function. You don't believe in god but you too probably have unsubstantiated beliefs.

I would rather have people believe in God than not even when I know they are wrong

 

[based_meme]

It's just conditioning, like everything else in life. I must add that people must believe in something to be able to function. You don't believe in god but you too probably have unsubstantiated beliefs.

I would rather have people believe in God than not even when I know they are wrong

What unsubstantiated beliefs do you have?

 

[Caesercel]

What unsubstantiated beliefs do you have?

Idk probably too many to list. You can't be a full skeptic and be functional at the same time. It goes beyond just beliefs though, its reached a point where I'm not even sure what part of myself comes from somewhere else which inevitably leads to the question of what exactly am I.

 

[based_meme]

Idk probably too many to list. You can't be a full skeptic and be functional at the same time.

Then focus on just this part for now:

It goes beyond just beliefs though, its reached a point where I'm not even sure what part of myself comes from somewhere else which inevitably leads to the question of what exactly am I.

What led you to think this?

 

[stalkerKiller]

You don't believe in god but you too probably have unsubstantiated beliefs

With all due respect, having preconceptions like "We are able to perceive objective reality" and "Objective reality exists" can not be equated to the belief in the metaphysical. Every heard of something called Occam's Razor? The less preconceptions a hypothesis needs to make sense, the higher the probability of it being correct.

You simply can not equate the few preconceptions non theistic people have (probably a couple of tens) with the amount of preconceptions needed to make most major religions work (which I would estimate are in the hundreds).

 

[Caesercel]

What led you to think this?

It's kind of tangential to the point at hand. But losing my belief in God and many other beliefs for that matter made me question exactly where are all these coming from. The easy answer would be the signs of times. Because all of us are product of our times aren't we?

But this led me to question what else about me is coming from somewhere else. From behavioural quirks to ways of thinking and approaching things. I've since recognised that humans are like dogs. And much like any other animal they can be trained to be a certain way. Which again leads to the question, what is left when you strip it all away.

 

[based_meme]

It's kind of tangential to the point at hand. But losing my belief in God and many other beliefs for that matter made me question exactly where are all these coming from. The easy answer would be the signs of times. Because all of us are product of our times aren't we?

But this led me to question what else about me is coming from somewhere else. From behavioural quirks to ways of thinking and approaching things. I've since recognised that humans are like dogs. And much like any other animal they can be trained to be a certain way. Which again leads to the question, what is left when you strip it all away.

If you're implying that humans are blank slates and nothing but the product of our conditioning, then that's false. Interestingly, the belief in a higher power is also not the product of conditioning, but something innate. It's conditioned out of people from their experiences and environments.

Humans 'predisposed' to believe in gods and the afterlife

New research finds that humans have natural tendencies to believe in gods and an afterlife. Research suggests that people across many different cultures instinctively believe that some part of their mind, soul or spirit lives on after-death. The studies demonstrate that people are natural...

www.sciencedaily.com

He even wrote a book on it:

Amazon.com

 

[Caesercel]

If you're implying that humans are blank slates and nothing but the product of our conditioning, then that's false.

I don't think humans are blank states but I do think that what is innate cannot be explained or experienced, because it's a series of inter related predispositions instead of actual personality traits or beliefs. It's like a baseline that you can build a person on. Anyway my comment was more related to discovery of the self

. Interestingly, the belief in a higher power is also not the product of conditioning, but something innate. It's conditioned out of people from their experiences and environments.

Humans 'predisposed' to believe in gods and the afterlife

New research finds that humans have natural tendencies to believe in gods and an afterlife. Research suggests that people across many different cultures instinctively believe that some part of their mind, soul or spirit lives on after-death. The studies demonstrate that people are natural...

www.sciencedaily.com

He even wrote a book on it:

Amazon.com

They are certainly predisposed to have beliefs that will dictate their actions. Just a consequence of organised abstract thinking. I wouldn't write off this research that easily. For religion is the common regulating factor since before civilisation

 

[Caesercel]

Occam's Razor

Kek

 

[RandomGuy]

 

[FuckHOA]

Because christfags are either overly delusional or fakecel chads