Have been genuinely curious about this for a long while, would be a shame if most of our suffering could have been avoided.
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there are bad and good genetics. but no human can naturally be as malformed as the humans we have today
there's no gene for recessed jaws so i think those raw meat copers might be on to something
In 99 percent of cases it's purely genetics. I mean unless you're a burn victim or something.
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right. becuase we form our bodies out of thin air. nutrients dont exist
Can assure you that’s not the case.
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not true
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show me another animal that has issues similar to the ones humans have thats not caused by unnatural things
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There have been cases where 2 twins grew up in different environments and yet personality and behavior wise they end up nearly identical
- people having kids older = more birth defects (my case)
- Increased illnesses, particularly sinus infections, most strains of common viruses and bacteria did not exist pre-agriculture, these can clog up the airways causing mouth breathing.
- Lack of breastfeeding = less growth hormone and infants not learning proper swallowing technique and fucking up their palettes
- Increases in allergies for a multitude of reasons causing more mouth breathing
- All sorts of postural problems from our modern lifestyles fucking up the alignment of your whole bodies including neck, mandible, sphenoid etc. = assymetry.
- Increased illnesses, particularly sinus infections, most strains of common viruses and bacteria did not exist pre-agriculture, these can clog up the airways causing mouth breathing.
- Lack of breastfeeding = less growth hormone and infants not learning proper swallowing technique and fucking up their palettes
- Increases in allergies for a multitude of reasons causing more mouth breathing
- All sorts of postural problems from our modern lifestyles fucking up the alignment of your whole bodies including neck, mandible, sphenoid etc. = assymetry.
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show some examples
Yeh that’s very true tbh but I still think my previous list definitely comes into play. It’s bullshit that most people are genetically chads and just didn’t chew enough carrots and meat. But I think most severe deformations are the result of environment or a birth defect
He’s very right I did forget about this
I mean my cats missing most his teeth and is still an ultra-symmetrical giga mogger jfl
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A recessed jaw—also called a retrognathic jaw—refers to a condition where the lower jaw (mandible) is set back further than the upper jaw. This term is most often used in humans and domestic animals, especially in reference to facial structure or malocclusion (misalignment of the teeth). In animals, this condition can be natural to the species, or it can be an abnormality or result of selective breeding.
Here are some animals that can have a recessed jaw, either naturally or due to genetic conditions:
Dogs (Certain Breeds)
Some breeds are naturally brachycephalic (short-faced) and tend to have a recessed or underdeveloped lower jaw:
- Pugs
- Bulldogs
- Shih Tzus
- Boxers
In many of these breeds, the upper jaw is shortened, and the lower jaw may appear recessed or sometimes protruding (underbite), depending on the breed.
Cats (Certain Breeds)
Some flat-faced cat breeds can have recessed jaws or malocclusions:
- Persian cats
- Himalayan cats: These cats are bred for a flat face, which can sometimes result in dental or jaw alignment issues.
Horses
Horses can be born with a parrot mouth, which is essentially a recessed lower jaw. This is a congenital defect and can affect how the horse eats and wears down its teeth.
Cattle and Sheep
Recessed jaws or jaw misalignments can occur as genetic defects. These are usually undesirable in livestock and may be selected against in breeding.
Rodents and Rabbits
Malocclusion is common in rabbits and rodents. If their jaws don’t align properly—often due to genetics—the lower jaw can appear recessed or overly long, leading to overgrown teeth.
Primates (Including Humans)
In the wild, retrognathia is rare in non-human primates, but it can occasionally occur due to developmental issues. In humans, it's a common orthodontic concern and can affect speech, breathing, and appearance.
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I mean tbf all the dog breeds you listed we’re basically breed to be fucked up
Hence why I allowed the option to select both. Thought this might be the case quite frequently jfl
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I listed more than 5 other animals that can have a recessed jaw
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all caused by diets and you literally listed dogs, cats, and cattle which are terrible examples. these are domesticated animals where breeding for traits like short faces causes the jaw issues + the terrible food theyre fed. In wild animals recessed jaws are much rarer. this doesnt prove your point
Yeh, I mean I blame the plagiocephaly and fucked up androgen receptors on my left side as a stroke of bad luck in the formation process as a fetus but it’s actually very possible it’s just some shit recessive gene I inherited from both my parents, I guess that would be called something like a… stroke of bad luck? Hmmm I seem to be noticing a pattern here
Genetics
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whatever helps you cope
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I think every incel has both genetic problems and environment problems.
And I'm 100% sure that the part of users here who were bullied at school and/or grew up in a very toxic family is higher than the part of users who are genuinely ugly.
I think every incel has both genetic problems and environment problems.
And I'm 100% sure that the part of users here who were bullied at school and/or grew up in a very toxic family is higher than the part of users who are genuinely ugly.
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same to you. were just at different mindset of coping
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Environment is most important
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No you can't.
The basis is always genetics. Sure you can make people grow with the right nutrition but only as much as their genes allow it. So fundamentally genetics is everything.
This is real, was expecting more "muh chad does drugs still chad environment doesn't matter"
Then tell me how hunter gatherers do not have recessed jaws at all? It's epigenetics, they change because of lifestyle which can impact kids but its not set in stone gene like the colour of your eyes. Same with height. Although bad genes exist 100%+ of users here had bad lifestyle, or their direct ancestors did.
Yes but both my parents have mogger jaws and mine is recessed. Just like the jaws of my brothers. Environment is more important than some give it credit for. Nobody on this site is at their genetic limit.
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Environment, specifically parents.
Parents can change the outcome of a person even if he has shit genetics.
People around you give you possibilites to socialize and find a GF.
Parents can change the outcome of a person even if he has shit genetics.
People around you give you possibilites to socialize and find a GF.
Sorry bro, it's all genetics. I know it's a tough pill to swallow.
I wish it was all genetics, i would be better off. Everyone in my family is at least 5/10 except me. All genetics is cope, objectively speaking.
Deluxe combination of both unfortunately. My mother is very short, plus I did not eat or sleep well as a child due to extreme stress and schizo shit
My dad only reproduced because he's 6'3, that's mogger height in the 70s and 80s, not today. He had a dead bedroom with my mother for decades until she left him for another man.
We got a fucking goatiscel in here
Its 80% genes 20% enviromental. You are smoking crack if you think eating hard meat and nose breathing is gonna save a kid with a 3/10 mom and a 4/10 dad
I would say most of us just got bad genetic recombination, i know for myself if i got luckier with who i got certain features from (for example my mother has light coloured eyes but a weak jaw and i got her weak jaw and then i get my fathers dark dead eyes, my dad has a strong jaw but i get my moms etc) its just luck.
+ some traits can lay dormant for generations and suddenly pop up. If we all got luckier we coulda been atleast htn, tldr genes=luck=genes
It's both but mostly genetics for me
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Mouth breathing is a symptom. Not cause
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Did you specify "hard" because you believe meat being tougher than processed stuff is the reason why it might affect skull growth? Because that's not my point its that your body uses nutrients to build the bones so if your dad has a chad jaw how are you going to get that same jaw if your body doesn't get the nutrients to build it?
I Just dont think that good nutrients and habit are more important then genes.
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Goatis has been making some very retarded takes but on this idea I agree with him
My biological father had chad bones yet grew up in poverty while my mom has a weak jaw yet she grew up eating good and diverse food. Its a personal experience but still. My older brother was a mouthbreather too yet his jaw and face was not affected while i was hard mewing since my teens just to end up recessed like my mother. All personal experiences ofc but
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Idk its less about which is more important and more about how they have different roles. I just hate how people say "it's all genes bro it never even began" and call you a coper for saying that your diet has a big impact. Could a sub5 have become chad with a perfect diet? No. Could he have become average looking? Yes
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I think while diet does have some impact people like goatis grossly overrate how much of an impact. I also think the average middle class person gets enough nutrients for his face to be atleast normally developed.
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