Free market is inherently internationalistic

[AsiaCel]

Free market ideologies is inherently internationalistic. Real world examples have show and will continue to show that the business owners rather hire cheap third world workers than locals. Even in food delivery apps, locals rather have third world delivery workers than not have this service at all.

This isn't to say no locals are hired; in some cases, the higher price of a local in restaurants may be worth it where the language is rarely spoken.

To protect local interests, a state dominated economy is needed. First, local benefits need to be the state's program, next, all economy activities must listen to the state, whether said activity is state owned (SOEs) or private.

 

[Excalibur]

Agreed, that’s why I support dirigisme and corporatism. Combines both the benefits of capitalism and state socialism.

 

[AsiaCel]

Agreed, that’s why I support dirigisme and corporatism. Combines both the benefits of capitalism and state socialism.

These terms are associated with Le evil fascism but I think they're the most humane system.

Full blown class struggle (far left) is delusional, leads to bloodbath (see Stalin's Kulak polices) and will just create another class system (such as Soviet communist party elites) because classism is just human nature

Full blown capitalism means Somalia or the Cartels. United fruit company is a good example of what will happen if a company is allowed to take power without government oversights

Corporatism understands the inherent inequality, and from there, seeks to meditate between classes.

 

[weaselbomber]

Corporatism is bad for le consoomer doe. You're forcing the average citizen to consoom products that are subpar due to lack of comparative advantage meaning less incentive to improve.
Regardless, with the increase in protectionism the world economy is shifting towards corporatism anyways. Milei's Argentina is a very odd outlier.

 

[GobidMujahid]

Corporatism is bad for le consoomer doe. You're forcing the average citizen to consoom products that are subpar due to lack of comparative advantage meaning less incentive to improve.

The free market is a sham; most markets are dominated by oligopolistic firms that face minimal competition. And it's not as if the quality of consumer products of our "free market" societies is satisfactory.

 

[GobidMujahid]

Regardless, with the increase in protectionism the world economy is shifting towards corporatism anyways. Milei's Argentina is a very odd outlier.

Protectionism is illiberal, but isn't it a bit of a stretch to call it a "shift toward corporatism"?

 

[weaselbomber]

The free market is a sham; most markets are dominated by oligopolistic firms that face minimal competition. And it's not as if the quality of consumer products of our "free market" societies is satisfactory.

You are correct. there's an argument to be made that radical ancapism is just as delusional of human nature as communism

 

[weaselbomber]

Protectionism is illiberal, but isn't it a bit of a stretch to call it a "shift toward corporatism"?

In America I would say it's fitting

 

[Justanotherbloke]

But calling the free market inherently internationalistic misses that it's not ideologically globalist cause it’s just profit driven. Turning fully to a state dominated economy isn’t the only or best solution. State planning often leads to inefficiency or stagnation. A balanced system, regulated capitalism with labor protections and smart policy can protect local interests without killing innovation or flexibility. Mixed economies like those in Scandinavia etc manage this well.

 

[Antorian]

Some competition is good to force local business to lower prices and innovate, but overall I agree that free market capitalism is bad for the nation and the people.

Corporatism and distributism are the systems that I favor, as they avoid the dominance of capital in liberalism and the endless tyranny of the state.