For the brocels who have lost all hope:

[Kantlie]

I have been contemplating a lot over the past few months, about my future, about my past, and about my present situation. I lived a pretty sheltered life until I got to experience what "independence" is like, i.e, witnessing the extents of western degeneracy in a cucked boarding school. Something that this experience has particularly brought to light has been the same reason why a lot of you are here. Foids and Appearance. Here, in this hellhole I am currently in, I realized, the real reason people treated me like shit everywhere wasn't because I was annoying. The reason I got jumped by 5 of my classmates wasn't because of my personality. The reason I got laughed at by girls and teachers wasn't because of how I spoke or how I carried myself. It all came down to one thing, and one thing only, my appearance. Not because I was unfunny. Not because I was quiet. Because I was ugly (and short, 5'5).

The reason people treat us the way they do has absolutely nothing to do with why they behave the way they do towards us. Sure, they can use it as some mask to obfuscate the intentions to look civil amongst others, but they're all putting up the same show, and deep down, deep deep down, they fuck with us, just because they think they can. They treat us the way they do because they don't see a 'human being', they see prey, they see an easy target to boost social validation on the behalf of the target they have assigned as a weakling, as the prey.

I'm sure a good portion of you know this, question being, what does this entail and imply? Not just about the conditions we have to deal with when living our lives, but also what those conditions tell us about our lives being worth living. Do we blame them, if we were all primed to be chad, would we not pick on an easy target like ourselves? You probably would say "no", which would be the morally permissible answer, however that is because we know what it is like. They don't, and that is exactly the problem. It's not a matter of scope, it is not about high school or college. It is about our life-time, nobody else will know what it is like to be us, and they won't care, and as a consequence would have nothing but an incentive to treat us like garbage in a lot of cases.

Is it worth it to live a life like this? To live a life where you are practically subhuman to everybody else?

A lot of you are suicidal and are probably going to rope in the next couple of years, but for those who are still open to the possibility of living a life of fulfillment despite opposition against all odds, this is for you:

I will not tell you some wishy washy motivational bullshit, I will just demonstrate to you that you have a purpose and a duty, through logic.

Fuck society, you live in a reality. You live in the reality, the only one there is. This reality exists to serve its own purposes because there exists nothing outside of it to determine its purposes. It is completely self-driven. It's only goal is to identify itself as much as possible. For there to be as many real things that identify real things (telors) as possible. Why is that? that is because there is only one possibility, metaphysically speaking, and that is existence. It is not a binary of "existence/nonexistence", that is realistically not a possibility. Conceptually sure, but nothingess can't exist, because by its very defintion, nothingess is the absence of existence and hence the absence of existence cannot exist, otherwise it would not be an absence of existence. It is an inherently contradictory concept, and an impossible one in reality, because reality deals with only that which is real. Point being, you exist in this domain where its existence is to serve itself with the best identifier(telors) which induce more of reality, and more complexity.

You exist. You exist in a system whose only goal is to preserve and perpetuate existences that perpetuate existence to best ability, this best ability refers to quality of existence and identification, in the case of humans happiness, fulfillment, health, belief and certainty, etc. All you are is potential, when you die, you dont leave existence, you just get recycled in this reality that you cannot exist on the basis of how good a telor you were. How well were you able to fulfill your duty as a human telor in your life-time. This is the idea of heaven and hell metaphysically justified. The degenerates, the scum, the filth, will all get recycled, they will just be sent to the depths of suffering, as they lived a life that did nothing but seek to negate the will of reality, to fulfill their telic duties as humans.

You may be ugly, you may be retarded, you may be short, you may be autistic, but you can choose to be not evil. For those who are not retarded, do something with what you have got. Use your intelligence. Fight back. Do NOT let the cause of your death be the scum you despise.


TL;DR: Read CTMU

Have a good night.

 

[THE TRUE HONKLER]

 

[NihilisticSoul]

Im sorry but i don't have the attention span to read this.

 

[Govid_Dorious]

Im sorry but i don't have the attention span to read this.

tiktok moment

 

[Garbage Life]

WOAH NIGGA you want me to read all that?

 

[Med Amine]

a tl;dr would really help here?

 

[THE TRUE HONKLER]

a tl;dr would really help here?

 

[Kantlie]

a tl;dr would really help here?

nigga I put it at the very end

 

[Med Amine]

Have a good night.

u 2

 

[Grim_Reaper]

Become your enemies bad karma.

 

[PLA1092]

I agree with the general basis of what you said, but everyone gets recycled. There is no heaven or hell, just an eternal purgatory we'll never get to experience. Anything else is mostly cope.

 

[laanda]

cope. humans evolved an investive instinct, nothing matters, and instead it is the life form that assigns value and importance to everything it sees, and today, what inter generational communication or society has led to. Look at any human and they'll tell you something justifies their life, they depend on something mattering or being interesting, which is equally instinctual and non-objective. No other species has ever practiced philosophy, they wildly and totally commit to the notion they must eat and survive and try breed no matter how awful or loss filled their life turns out to be. Humans are the same, we twist the same investive instinct to believe stuff matters and for thousands and thousands of years have adapted to and lived through absolutely torturous existences compared to modern people.
You and me and many many incels are inherently philosophical because when you get no sex, no friends even, can go online and see things about clown world, it becomes so much harder to justify this life, and logic really says we should kill ourselves, but everything, the most crucial earliest aspect of life, runs against that at all costs, it is the law of evolution, you'll die in the wild if you don't try hard. but we are still human and will cling to copes like yours to define our life as a struggle to do something. Really, nothing matters. It's all human investment, all of it, language, roads, morality, and do remember we have large cognitive biases in the way we even pick up and understand information. We learn assumptively, literal science says what makes us better than apes is our power of assumptive learning. https://positivepsychology.com/relational-frame-theory/

Do NOT let the cause of your death be the scum you despise.

Why? they don't know who you are and you won't be around. Proving you made it in spite of them means nothing. You don't really need to exist and if they cause your death it isn't a win or a loss for anything outside the made up humanist relational theory nonsense in your mind that depends on stuff like that to be important in order for your continued non suicide to make sense. IMO it simply takes way more thought and justification to get your investive instinct working and believe in your continued life as incel, and thats why we get a post a week of a grey sharing a depressingly well thought out theory that helps them cope and feel smart. You aren't philosophical you've just been forced to think about it. Just like the rest of us. I think that's where your post is wrong, assuming other incels don't have an equally time heavy belief system. If you want to exist imagining you prove something to normies go ahead, but you're a world investor for doing so, you believe the external is x way because it helps you cope, and it is not blackpilled, because it's not an inward belief and involves you reacting to the world.

 

[laanda]

The reason people treat us the way they do has absolutely nothing to do with why they behave the way they do towards us.

My main criticism is that this whole line is a giant assumption that everyone works off the same knowledge you have taken on board in life. You really think an adult human sexhavers gain social value by teasing us? I can tell you up front though that 90-99% of people who treat you badly don't have nearly as deep a reason to as you wrote. 90% don't care at all or ever think about incels. The other 10% are pretty low down on the social scale themselves and tend to be online 8+ hours a day themselves. The main reason they all dont like us is simple bias, telling themselves we're incel piece of shit who are bad and don't deserve sex helps THEM cope, and some want to do this excessively, hating us. They don't represent the common opinion of incels which is just stereotypes they won't waste much time thinking about. Without this belief, sex is objectively a guarded priviledge not allowed to us, it is more benefitial for those who get it to not feel guilty about those who do not. All of them would lose out if they stopped being biased, and its written in thousands of years of history that humans have always and will always take sides and exhibit self bias, only really regarding the rights of people as far as their tribe or society tells them to. This isn't even a theory or my own way of coping. That's what humans do and your suffering as incel has zero consequence on anyone but you and sometimes your parents.

 

[Kantlie]

cope. humans evolved an investive instinct, nothing matters, and humans assign value and importance to everything our species defines. No other species has ever practiced philosophy, they wildly and totally commit to the notion they must eat and survive and try breed no matter how awful or loss filled their life turns out to be. Humans are the same, we twist the same investive instinct to believe stuff matters and for thousands and thousands of years have adapted to and lived through absolutely torturous existences compared to modern people.
You and me and many many incels are inherently philosophical because when you get no sex, no friends even, can go online and see things about clown world, it becomes so much harder to justify this life, and logic really says we should kill ourselves. but we are still human and will cling to copes like yours to define our life as a struggle to prove something. You existing doesn't matter or

Humans evolved through a means of something we get to perceive, which is reality. Different is, we evolved tot he capacity where we are able to identify patterns for the sake of survival, which only reinforces my previous point of eternality. Yes you are small, you are insignificant when you look at it from a cosmological scale but the determinative faculty of the world isnt expansive, it is conspansive. I also love how you are trying to rationalize to me how rationalization and logical paternalization is cope, 10/10 meme would laugh again.

they don't know who you are and you existing achieves nothing. You don't really need to exist and if they cause your death it isn't a win or a loss for anything outside the made up humanist relational theory nonsense in your mind that depends on stuff like that to be important in order for your continued non suicide to make sense. IMO it simply takes way more thought and justification to get your investive instinct working and believe in your continued life as incel, we get a post a week of a grey sharing a depressingly well thought out theory that helps them cope and feel smart. You aren't philosophical you've just been forced to think about it. Just like the rest of us. I think that's where your post is wrong, assuming other incels don't have an equally time heavy belief system. If you want to exist imagining you prove something to normies go ahead, but you're a world investor for doing so, you believe the external is x way because it helps you cope, and it is not blackpilled, because it's not an inward belief and involves you reacting to the world.

If you existing achieved nothing, you wouldn't exist. Within the very same confines of logic you are using to argue in opposition to me right now, we can derive that reality is absolute, and there is nothing that exists outside of it to determine it and its only purpose is self-identification, I demonstrated that further through my comments on the false concept of nothingness. Reality's purpose is self-identification of existence, you exist, therefore you partake in reality's purpose. Since reality's purpose is identificatory of all of that which exists within it, that entails that you contain reality's purpose (inclusive of you as a propety), therefore you have a purpose. If you want to devalidate this line of reasoning, we can just devalue of logic and start swinging our dicks around coping about justifying evolution through the means of the very thing you are trying to argue against, which is the usage of philosophical rationalization for incels to determine purpose. And yes, you are right, it is a way to make you feel smarter than others, that does not make it wrong, and no matter what personal inclinations you have about it, there is absolutely no way to defy this philosophical rationale without undermining the logic behind your arguments.

 

[Kantlie]

Mainly, you have no idea why people treat us badly, yet make an assumption based off the knowledge you personally acquired in life. I can tell you up front though that 90-99% of people who treat you badly don't have nearly as deep a reason to as you wrote. The main reason they do is simple bias, telling themselves we're incel piece of shit who are bad and don't deserve sex helps THEM cope, without this belief, sex is objectively a guarded priviledge not allowed to us. They would lose out if they stopped being biased, and its written in thousands of years of history that humans have always and will always take sides and exhibit self bias, only really regarding the rights of people as far as their tribe or society tells them to. This isn't even a theory or my own way of coping. That's what humans do and your suffering as incel has zero consequence on anyone but you and sometimes your parents.

It is basic biology. I obviously expanded on my personal experience because thats what people tend to do in posts that are inclusive to their personal experiences. I demonstrated exactly the reasons why people treat us badly, and that is because of social status and an implicit and instinctual tell of dominance. For all that talk you have about evolution, you should know that much.

 

[GrodanBoll]

tiktok moment

adhd moment

 

[CrackingYs]

I aint got all fucking day.

Actually I do. But I choose not to spend it reading this.

 

[huaus]

there is no hope.

 

[laanda]

I also love how you are trying to rationalize to me how rationalization and logical paternalization is cope, 10/10 meme would laugh again.

Not even a point. I'm saying your logic is wrong because it doesn't consider human bias yet comes to conclusions about human psychology. I'm not arguing FOR irrationality, I'm saying you aren't as rational as you like to think.

Humans evolved through a means of something we get to perceive, which is reality. Different is, we evolved tot he capacity where we are able to identify patterns for the sake of survival, which only reinforces my previous point of eternality.

Uh, no it doesn't. You said yes, what im saying might be true, but it reinforces your point. It doesn't, at all. Especially as your belief FUNCTIONS on the idea that we perceive reality as it is. but we don't do that, all we know about human psychology actually says we aren't very objective and in fact don't really see reality, we assign meaning and value and importance to pretty much everything, and that is what we see. So it doesn't strengthen your point and there's no logical way it could strengthen your point unless you didn't understand what I meant. You've just repeated the same point you made without considering mine and somehow imagined that, the cognitive bias of humans, aligns with your philosophy about being fucking objective. How does your theory deal with the overwhelming majority of humans in history and even today being religious and inventing value in the world that science and logic openly questions?

If you existing achieved nothing, you wouldn't exist. Within the very same confines of logic you are using to argue in opposition to me right now, (LEAP, NOT THE SAME) we can derive that reality is absolute, and there is nothing that exists outside of it to determine it and its only purpose is self-identification, I demonstrated that further through my comments on the false concept of nothingness. Reality's purpose is self-identification of existence, you exist, therefore you partake in reality's purpose. Since reality's purpose is identificatory of all of that which exists within it, that entails that you contain reality's purpose (inclusive of you as a propety), therefore you have a purpose. If you want to devalidate this line of reasoning, we can just devalue of logic and start swinging our dicks around (MASSIVE LEAP HERE) coping about justifying evolution through the means of the very thing you are trying to argue against, which is the usage of philosophical rationalization for incels to determine purpose.

Not how existence works. Of course you can exist and achieve nothing. You've achieved nothing, I've achieved nothing, we sit here sexless and with nothing better to do than prove to a single other person that their cope is incorrect. What have you achieved?

Also, you stated this point about existence as if it were fact when I can't personally disagree with it more, pretty much every person ever achieved nothing. and your entire second paragraph here relies implicitly on it being true where you then go as far as to say I've foresaken logic entirely. No I haven't, follow below or see above, I've labeled the leaps you made.

If you want to devalidate this line of reasoning, we can just devalue of logic and start swinging our dicks around coping about justifying evolution through the means of the very thing you are trying to argue against, which is the usage of philosophical rationalization for incels to determine purpose.

See the if at the start of there? TWICE in this paragraph alone you've made a leap that completely separates your assesment of my logic in this moment from what I actually said, and only after those leaps, you've claimed I can't make my point without foresaking logic itself. I absolutely disagree, human bias absolutely warps the way we see the world, and modern psychology and philosophy both take that into consideration quite heavily. my point doesn't foresake logic at all, you've made two separate leaps to arrive at the point you like to defend your argument from.

Within the very same confines of logic you are using to argue in opposition to me right now, we can derive that reality is absolute, and there is nothing that exists outside of it to determine it and its only purpose is self-identification, I demonstrated that further through my comments on the false concept of nothingness.

No, the logic I used literally centers around cognitive bias making it a cope to imagine your reality is absolute. It also doesn't share the same confines of the same logic you were using, because you're talking about writeable logic that is free of human bias, where a lot of it depends on that idea that we see reality objectively to begin with, and what I'm saying is that we don't, we see a human defined world and are assumptive. There is no way for humans to see reality. Every thought you have is socialized.

Reality's purpose is self-identification of existence, you exist, therefore you partake in reality's purpose. Since reality's purpose is identificatory of all of that which exists within it, that entails that you contain reality's purpose (inclusive of you as a propety), therefore you have a purpose. If you want to devalidate this line of reasoning, we can just devalue of logic and start swinging our dicks around coping about justifying evolution through the means of the very thing you are trying to argue against, which is the usage of philosophical rationalization for incels to determine purpose. And yes, you are right, it is a way to make you feel smarter than others, that does not make it wrong, and no matter what personal inclinations you have about it, there is absolutely no way to defy this philosophical rationale without undermining the logic behind your arguments.

Cope, existing doesn't predetermine a purpose to do anything whatsoever with your life. The purpose you describe couldn't be more set in human bias yet your entire fucking theory revolves around the objective world and not the human biased one, it even ignores human bias. Yet you're a shining example of that bias getting in the way of objectivity, despite all your logic, you have still assigned value to life, and we both agree evolution at a very very very early stage, started selecting for life forms that would invest their own value in the world where there is none objectively. Go look this up, the fundamental way humans thing, is 'essence before existence', not the other way around. And even if that wasn't true, we don't even share a reality, we are conscious in our own head and this 'purpose' is mostly perpetuated by other humans, that you'll never meet. That helps again, show humans are too self biased for your belief to explain incel hatred. And there's yet another level of incorrect to what you've said here. Even if the even if statement I just wrote about,, wasn't true, you could still literally wipe yourself off the earth and 7 billion other humans forms would still be fulfilling the purpose you see in the world. Therefore, you don't have purpose, on two levels, not only as your belief is a cope, but also as within what you choose to believe in, you don't even matter. It would exist and happen without you.

 

[laanda]

It is basic biology. I obviously expanded on my personal experience because thats what people tend to do in posts that are inclusive to their personal experiences. I demonstrated exactly the reasons why people treat us badly, and that is because of social status and an implicit and instinctual tell of dominance. For all that talk you have about evolution, you should know that much.

yeah and I said you're wrong, that's not why we get mistreated in practice, and we do know the real reason. You're over applying theory to human action which is largely irrational and varies widlly between cases. People hate incels because it helps them cope they aren't causing undue harm, making them a bad person. Everything else is unpredictable because of the unseen depth of each human. but they lose nothing from believing that, it doesn't take them more than a minute to think through, and they will never be challenged. There is no gain to not treating incels badly so why would they. Yet you imagine each time that person is plotting and using you for social status. If they give you any thought at all, at best they're just using you for a laugh. Do they seek you out and mistreat you for social status? Maybe in high school. In the experience of literally every incel ever though, they just don't give a shit about you, think you are lesser, and cope we deserve any pain we get for assumptive reasons. Why would they acknowledge us, they literally acknowledge privilege and alienate themselves from their friends if they did so.
also remember CTMU doesn't oppose human bias it was written by an IQ genius who regularly called humans biased and WISHED to further any attempt to rise above human bias. In fact that's a pretty crucial part of learning philosophy, you aren't learning how to not be biased, you are still biased. The field only exists because it is hopeful that humans can overcome the human bias that they write about, but CTMU is not a statement that they should or already have, in fact the writer called humans biased all the time. We are laughably biased and unobjective. That's just the way you cope after reading it, and also you aren't being objective, where the theory doesn't apply you'd rather try force it to work and can be proven wrong about how incels are mistreated, than consider it's not appropriate for the case and doesn't have to be. Sometimes humans are just biased and shitty for unfair reasons. You've applied a theory you know and assume it explains your world, it comforts you to feel that way, like a theist, like a human.

 

[Kamikaze69]

Philosophical post

 

[Count Yorga]

Excellent post.

 

[Robb97]

Ok GrAYcel

 

[Cletus Longthing]

 

[ThebegottenSon]

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[zangano1]

didnt read tbh

 

[depressedblackcel]

I'm tired