Every guy I've seen with his gf in public has been WAY shorter than me

[FACEandLMS]

FACE.

Get it through your head, manlets. HEIGHT IS NOWHERE NEAR AS IMPORTANT AS FACE.

I have seen TURBOMANLETS, I mean 5'5 with their 5'4 gf. I have seen 5'8 guys with their 5'9 gf.

What these manlets all have in common is a HALF-DECENT FACE. They're probably NT (neurotypical, not autistic, outgoing) too which helps (inb4 bluepill).

PRIME TOM CRUISE WITHOUT THE FAME would not be incel. Would he struggle, sure? But he would not be incel.

I know a 5'5 26 yo NW1 6.5/10 white guy who has a gf. I haven't seen her so she could be sub5, but he isn't incel. He said that she can't wear heels when she goes out with him. She is willing to wear flats but be with a manlet with FACE rather than date a tall guy who doesn't have FACE.

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SWALLOW THIS PILL RIGHT NOW.

 

[CopingGymcel]

Some of the biggest slayers I know are manlets with pretty faces.

My brother told me a story about a manlet slayer we know (one of his friend, hung out with him once, cool dude). The guy was with his mother and some of her friends, they were in a Jacuzzi and his mother went up to leave, his mother's friend then started jerking him off in the Jacuzzi. Face > height.

 

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[NekoStance]

Cope

Everything is needed to a standard

 

[itsOVER]

No one says height is more important than face.

But if you don't have the height, you need a VERY good face to compensate. I.e. your 5'5" guy likely needed a 9/10 or 10/10 face to compete for an average looking girl. If he was 6'0+ with the same 9/10 face, he'd be fucking 7-10/10 Stacy's every week. A 6ft+ guy only really needs a 6/10 face to not be a total incel.

Granted if your face is 5/10 or below it's always gonna be rope time anyway.

 

[NekoStance]

No one says height is more important than face.
But if you don't have the height, you need a VERY good face to compensate. I.e. your 5'5" guy likely needed a 9/10 or 10/10 face to compete for an average looking girl. If he was 6'0+ with the same 9/10 face, he'd be fucking 7-10/10 Stacy's every week. A 6ft+ guy only really needs a 6/10 face to not be a total incel.
Granted if your face is 5/10 or below it's always gonna be rope time anyway.

this is legit, except last line

5/10 face with height and game (I know you get triggered by that but whatever) can slay

 

[itsOVER]

this is legit, except last line

5/10 face with height and game (I know you get triggered by that but whatever) can slay

Whatever (although 'game' doesn't help). Maybe the cutoff is 5/10, but the main point is there's a strict facial cutoff that renders height irrelevant no matter how tall you are. Whereas if you meet the minimum face standards height then becomes an issue - the shorter you are the closer to male model tier you need to be.

To be honest, most here have a less than 5/10 face for sure (PSL rating not the bullshit normie rating), so we're all really in the same boat.

 

[NekoStance]

this is legit, except last line
5/10 face with height and game (I know you get triggered by that but whatever) can slay

Whatever (although 'game' doesn't help). Maybe the cutoff is 5/10, but the main point is there's a strict facial cutoff that renders height irrelevant no matter how tall you are. Whereas if you meet the minimum face standards height then becomes an issue - the shorter you are the closer to male model tier you need to be.
To be honest, most here have a less than 5/10 face for sure (PSL rating not the bullshit normie rating), so we're all really in the same boat.

are you one of those lookism faggots?

 

[BlackPillDealer]

this is legit, except last line

5/10 face with height and game (I know you get triggered by that but whatever) can slay

If by slay you mean harpoon some landwhales

 

[GeneticFilth]

I know tallfags with ugly faces that still have girlfriends. I also know short guys with attractive faces that have girlfriends. Height and face both matter.

 

[itsOVER]

are you one of those lookism faggots?

I've posted on lookism before but am not a major contributor. Think I have about 10 posts there.

Nothing I said was wrong though. Face over height, but if you don't have the height you need a much better face. If you don't have even an average face, no amount of height (or game lololol) will save you.

 

[FeminismsCancer]

Well I'm short but my face is ugly and I'm fucking bald.

 

[NekoStance]

this is legit, except last line
5/10 face with height and game (I know you get triggered by that but whatever) can slay

If by slay you mean harpoon some landwhales

Cope

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I know tallfags with ugly faces that still have girlfriends. I also know short guys with attractive faces that have girlfriends. Height and face both matter.

this is best legit

 

[Deleted member 306]

Really? Most guys with gf face and height mog me.

 

[itsOVER]

Cope

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this is best legit

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Just posting some pics of an average guy with a girl means nothing. It could be:

1) Betabux
2) She's a hooker
3) She's cucking him
4) Even if she is genuinely attracted to him, these are very small odds. It's like telling someone to drop out of college and they can still get rich because hey, Bill Gates dropped out of college. Fact is though, for every Bill Gates there's millions of Walmart shelf stackers. Same deal with an average looking guy getting a decent girl.

 

[NekoStance]

Cope

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this is best legit

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Just posting some pics of an average guy with a girl means nothing. It could be:
1) Betabux
2) She's a hooker
3) She's cucking him
4) Even if she is genuinely attracted to him, these are very small odds. It's like telling someone to drop out of college and they can still get rich because hey, Bill Gates dropped out of college. Fact is though, for every Bill Gates there's millions of Walmart shelf stackers. Same deal with an average looking guy getting a decent girl.

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[itsOVER]

Who's coping? I'm not the one claiming game will get a 5/10 laid.

 

[NekoStance]

Who's coping? I'm not the one claiming game will get a 5/10 laid.

Nah you're just the one that can't take seeing photographic evidence

 

[St.Tropez]

Height is like a basic requirement. But once you fill it it means less and less.

That said without 6 height you are going to always need to compensate with other things. However face does contribute a lot to Your score and can easly put you in the clear.

 

[itsOVER]

Nah you're just the one that can't take seeing photographic evidence

You haven't provided any evidence that means anything. It's like me posting a pic of an ugly guy sat in his room alone. We know it happens - so fucking what? What matters is the likelyhood of an event occurring...

I don't think there's anyone here who seriously thinks no 5/10 guy ever got a girlfriend in the whole of human history. What we're saying is - in 2017 - it's fucking unlikely.

 

[BlackPillDealer]

Cope

Not saying it never happens, just that it almost never happens. I'm 4/10 and lost my V-card to a 6/10, but I haven't been able to even get my looksmatch after that.

 

[NekoStance]

Cope

Not saying it never happens, just that it almost never happens. I'm 4/10 and lost my V-card to a 6/10, but I haven't been able to even get my looksmatch after that.

How did you do it? You ran JBF?

Well done, not many guys here were able to run that game.

 

[BlackPillDealer]

How did you do it? You ran JBF?

Well done, not many guys here were able to run that game.

Nope I met her at a nightclub a year before, then noticed her on a local social media site (this was before Facebook) and asked her out. She was living abroad but was back visiting her mom. We went out on a few dates and banged twice, then she went abroad again. She was a bit of a nerd, a WoW player but still good looking. I remember she had an orbiter who was better looking than me, he was totally in love with her. I think I just got lucky tbh, it happens sometimes. I was 22 when this happened.

 

[itsOVER]

Nope I met her at a nightclub a year before, then noticed her on a local social media site (this was before Facebook) and asked her out. She was living abroad but was back visiting her mom. We went out on a few dates and banged twice, then she went abroad again. She was a bit of a nerd, a WoW player but still good looking. I remember she had an orbiter who was better looking than me, he was totally in love with her. I think I just got lucky tbh, it happens sometimes. I was 22 when this happened.

Be prepared for incoming REEEEEEE and cries of fakecel.

 

[BlackPillDealer]

Be prepared for incoming REEEEEEE and cries of fakecel.

Well I have never claimed to be incel.

 

[NekoStance]

How did you do it? You ran JBF?
Well done, not many guys here were able to run that game.

Nope I met her at a nightclub a year before, then noticed her on a local social media site (this was before Facebook) and asked her out. She was living abroad but was back visiting her mom. We went out on a few dates and banged twice, then she went abroad again. She was a bit of a nerd, a WoW player but still good looking. I remember she had an orbiter who was better looking than me, he was totally in love with her. I think I just got lucky tbh, it happens sometimes. I was 22 when this happened.

Sounds kinda like JBF to me

 

[BlackPillDealer]

Sounds kinda like JBF to me

Doubt it, she really knew how to suck a dick.

 

[Mahlo]

Height matters, but so does face. They both matter.

 

[Mr_Mercedes]

In S FL, it's almost indistinguishable that shortness is a hindrance (it is, but you have to pay close attention) 

Noticeably tall + good-looking = massive BOOST

Noticeably short - attractive face = massive DRAG


Noticeably short + good-looking face = DRAG

Ugly face = massive DRAG (could be over if neuro atyp)

Ugly face + noticeably short = it's OVER

 

[NekoStance]

Sounds kinda like JBF to me

Doubt it, she really knew how to suck a dick.

Still, give her a couple more years and maybe she wouldn't have even entertained you

maybe it was a half and half

 

[BlackPillDealer]

Still, give her a couple more years and maybe she wouldn't have even entertained you

maybe it was a half and half

Probably, this was 8 years ago, just 1-2 years before social media became a huge thing. Not every girl back then had such a bloated ego as they do now. Especially not in my country, which was then usually 2-3 years behind the US in trends. Now trends spread globally and everyone in the West is following the same trends almost at the same time.

Anyway back then I was also a bit more popular and high status. I was semi-ascended from age 18-23. But the damage from middle school bullying ran deep, and I wasn't able to fully take advantage of those 5 semi-decent years. I could have banged maybe 3 other girls before the social media cancer took over entirely.

But it is what it is. Dating is pretty much over now. Not only due to my looks fading but women have been almost entirely ruined by feminism and social media.