Even if the west collapses, unless of a giant war it will take decades

[druid]

Think about it the labourist system can drag this all for at least 30 years the time boomers start to die out, this means that meanwhile they will build AIs slowing the collapse even more only after 40-50 years will the west be unrecognizable and women's rights will be destroyed but at that point we will be very old, so the only way is for a war or a catachlismic event to happen, if that happened the collapse could take about 10 years and in great famine high birthrate would be required, many men will have to work for food 10-12 hours a day and will recognize they cannot do it without help or children for generational change, so even the feminist men will recognize, the women who will refuse to marry and mate will be barred from villages (since they will be seen as taking up food without suporting) they will end up dying of hunger or being raped by some warlord.

 

[Wanttotalk...imbusy]

That's basically how shit worked before electricity

 

[Undervalued]

I think this is mistaken given the following:

1. The pensions/welfare fiscal apocalypse.

2. The Great Replacement.

3. Large-scale, legible technological improvements have slowed down in recent years, with smartphones and the Internet being notable exceptions. Arguably, the West has been in a state of decline since the early 1970s.

4. The fertility collapse.

5. The Great Feminization. Several professions are now majority female and others are slated to follow.

6. Ubiquitous affirmative action. Public fields have thrown out testing because minorities often don't make the cut. Some of these fields - policing and firefighting - lack market competition, so eliminating testing has the potential to make them highly dysfunctional.



On the question of AI, there are many unknowns. Are we just building an incredibly useful tool and not general artificial intelligence? My guess is we eventually stumble upon it. But it is equally likely this doesn't happen and the West continues to decline. Will leftists regulate it out of existence? Also, possible. The tech will create a huge mass of unemployed people.

 

[druid]

I think this is mistaken given the following:

1. The pensions/welfare fiscal apocalypse.

2. The Great Replacement.

3. Large-scale, legible technological improvements have slowed down in recent years, with smartphones and the Internet being notable exceptions. Arguably, the West has been in a state of decline since the early 1970s.

4. The fertility collapse.

5. The Great Feminization. Several professions are now majority female and others are slated to follow.

6. Ubiquitous affirmative action. Public fields have thrown out testing because minorities often don't make the cut. Some of these fields - policing and firefighting - lack market competition, so eliminating testing has the potential to make them highly dysfunctional.



On the question of AI, there are many unknowns. Are we just building an incredibly useful tool and not general artificial intelligence? My guess is we eventually stumble upon it. But it is equally likely this doesn't happen and the West continues to decline. Will leftists regulate it out of existence? Also, possible. The tech will create a huge mass of unemployed people.

And how much do you think it will take for it to collapse and for women to lose their rights?

On the rest I think AI is overrated in fact it's just a useful machine and not really intelligent, but if it can automatize some jobs that is enough,
AGI as they intend it will Never be reached matemathically speaking, at the best something similair at the end of this century but it won't be AGI.

 

[RandomGuy]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/Sn8EkqOxpvg?si=3hSx0SBVPQDnvZIz

 

[Undervalued]

And how much do you think it will take for it to collapse and for women to lose their rights?

Hard to say.

On the rest I think AI is overrated in fact it's just a useful machine and not really intelligent, but if it can automatize some jobs that is enough,
AGI as they intend it will Never be reached matemathically speaking, at the best something similair at the end of this century but it won't be AGI.

This is not true. AGI is possible. We just don't know if the current push will pan out.

 

[druid]

Hard to say.


This is not true. AGI is possible. We just don't know if the current push will pan out.

I don't agree even our own "AI" is a statystical machine who's numbers are replaced with words when you talk to it you're getting a synthetized version of internet ideas and responses it will never give an idea different from that of a person it shouldn't be called AI but phrase synthetizer machine which is rightfully called LLM don't live in fantasy bro

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

Think about it the labourist system can drag this all for at least 30 years the time boomers start to die out, this means that meanwhile they will build AIs slowing the collapse even more only after 40-50 years will the west be unrecognizable and women's rights will be destroyed but at that point we will be very old, so the only way is for a war or a catachlismic event to happen, if that happened the collapse could take about 10 years and in great famine high birthrate would be required, many men will have to work for food 10-12 hours a day and will recognize they cannot do it without help or children for generational change, so even the feminist men will recognize, the women who will refuse to marry and mate will be barred from villages (since they will be seen as taking up food without suporting) they will end up dying of hunger or being raped by some warlord.

Man, if the world changes in 50 years it’s optimistic scenario

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

And how much do you think it will take for it to collapse and for women to lose their rights?

500 years

 

[druid]

Man, if the world changes in 50 years it’s optimistic scenario

I think it is falling RN it isn't capable of holding itself birthrate too low among the natives and the progressives, they will get replaced and the new race will have an iq too low to follow feminism and all that bs there will be rape everywhere if they still tried to enforce it, now the real problem is that east asia argentina and israel have a much harder time collapsing yeah they could reconquer the west

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

I think it is falling RN it isn't capable of holding itself birthrate too low among the natives and the progressives, they will get replaced and the new race will have an iq too low to follow feminism and all that bs there will be rape everywhere if they still tried to enforce it, now the real problem is that east asia argentina and israel have a much harder time collapsing yeah they could reconquer the west

Birth rate is slow replacement, if birth rate is low now then change will be maybe in 100 years also it’s easier to rule smaller population than bigger one and we will be replaced with niggers anyway so I don’t see why would it be rapid collapse

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

I think it is falling RN it isn't capable of holding itself birthrate too low among the natives and the progressives, they will get replaced and the new race will have an iq too low to follow feminism and all that bs there will be rape everywhere if they still tried to enforce it, now the real problem is that east asia argentina and israel have a much harder time collapsing yeah they could reconquer the west

I wish they conquered the “west” because Israel and Argentina is the West, EU is not.

And also following feminism is rather correlated with low IQ not high IQ, also feminism only focuses on white rape not black rape which is proven by recent events in UK

 

[Rick prime]

Think about it the labourist system can drag this all for at least 30 years the time boomers start to die out, this means that meanwhile they will build AIs slowing the collapse even more only after 40-50 years will the west be unrecognizable and women's rights will be destroyed but at that point we will be very old, so the only way is for a war or a catachlismic event to happen, if that happened the collapse could take about 10 years and in great famine high birthrate would be required, many men will have to work for food 10-12 hours a day and will recognize they cannot do it without help or children for generational change, so even the feminist men will recognize, the women who will refuse to marry and mate will be barred from villages (since they will be seen as taking up food without suporting) they will end up dying of hunger or being raped by some warlord.

take away goyball and see all them chimp out if you want a collapse you gotta target their food and water. and their goyball. but all go that is murely speculation.

 

[druid]

I wish they conquered the “west” because Israel and Argentina is the West, EU is not.

And also following feminism is rather correlated with low IQ not high IQ, also feminism only focuses on white rape not black rape which is proven by recent events in UK

You conflate modern feminism and modern west with their conceptual ideals israel is modern west/babylonia yes but if it conquers europe or oficially absorbs it in a one world government it will implement totalitarian technocracy and transhumanism these are the declared plans

 

[druid]

take away goyball and see all them chimp out if you want a collapse you gotta target their food and water. and their goyball. but all go that is murely speculation.

It's impossible to take that out they lack the brain to snap back to reality if it happens they will play with rocks the onky way to make them wake up is to severely threaten their life or directly let them die as a crash in food or an immigration invasion could do, you cannot wake up a modernist the chance is 1 in 50 milions, this means that the only way is to take every power and significance away from them

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

You conflate modern feminism and modern west with their conceptual ideals israel is modern west/babylonia yes but if it conquers europe or oficially absorbs it in a one world government it will implement totalitarian technocracy and transhumanism these are the declared plans

So what, what’s wrong with that.


It’s two major forces battling in the world

The ancient-1950 and the new woke communist 1950-present

Israel represents the older one based on hierarchy and discipline, America as well, EU, China, Russia and UK represent the new one based on female values like safety, equality, identity (nationalism too) etc.

I wish Israel and US bombed the shit of Europe and colonized it into two demilitarized zones

 

[druid]

Birth rate is slow replacement, if birth rate is low now then change will be maybe in 100 years also it’s easier to rule smaller population than bigger one and we will be replaced with niggers anyway so I don’t see why would it be rapid collapse

Because they will lose their voting power the replacement is exponential, this means that if now the rate is in 100 years, after a decade it will be in 30 years prevision and after two decades it will last 10 years max because the niggers invite their families, they become majority, gain voting power, and invite in more niggers

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

Because they will lose their voting power the replacement is exponential, this means that if now the rate is in 100 years, after a decade it will be in 30 years prevision and after two decades it will last 10 years max because the niggers invite their families, they become majority, gain voting power, and invite in more niggers

And why is it good, it’s rather what they want, it’s not a collapse it’s fulfillment of their plans, so antithesis of collapse

 

[Rick prime]

It's impossible to take that out they lack the brain to snap back to reality if it happens they will play with rocks the onky way to make them wake up is to severely threaten their life or directly let them die as a crash in food or an immigration invasion could do, you cannot wake up a modernist the chance is 1 in 50 milions, this means that the only way is to take every power and significance away from them

im pretty sure if you make people annoyed of sports it can happen. im alreadys seeing how based gen z is. but gen alpha...they can't read...but them taking it away might be a road to redemption

 

[druid]

So what, what’s wrong with that.


It’s two major forces battling in the world

The ancient-1950 and the new woke communist 1950-present

Israel represents the older one based on hierarchy and discipline, America as well, EU, China, Russia and UK represent the new one based on female values like safety, equality, identity (nationalism too) etc.

I wish Israel and US bombed the shit of Europe and colonized it into two demilitarized zones

America will be destroyed too it doesn't look like the 1950s one it is very similair to the EU also you look only at recent history in reality it all started in 1717 UK everything that follows that modernist ideology (America, israel, china etc...) has in itself the seeds of it's own destruction this means they will conquer but if they don't change everything their rule will last less than a century

 

[druid]

And why is it good, it’s rather what they want, it’s not a collapse it’s fulfillment of their plans, so antithesis of collapse

What I mean by collapse is exactly that, the global elites won't collapse they have hugh birthrate high power and structure I'm talking about western "population" and commoners

 

[druid]

im pretty sure if you make people annoyed of sports it can happen. im alreadys seeing how based gen z is. but gen alpha...they can't read...but them taking it away might be a road to redemption

I hope you're right, I think the battle against the elites is lost since 1950-60 there is really nothing we can do to change the world and as I said I think the full unstoppable collapse will take about 40-50 years by that time we will be old

 

[Rick prime]

I hope you're right, I think the battle against the elites is lost since 1950-60 there is really nothing we can do to change the world and as I said I think the full unstoppable collapse will take about 40-50 years by that time we will be old

by then the nano machines will keep me alive and I'll formed a relationship with them I'll call them all gerald.

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

America will be destroyed too it doesn't look like the 1950s one it is very similair to the EU also you look only at recent history in reality it all started in 1717 UK everything that follows that modernist ideology (America, israel, china etc...) has in itself the seeds of it's own destruction this means they will conquer but if they don't change everything their rule will last less than a century

It all starts in Rome, the west is just continuation


And USA is currently in the tipping point, that Europe already lost 100 years ago, USA is still a country with majority of sane people and leftists struggling to take over, Europe was taken over long time ago.

It’s not that it starts in UK, what is UK? UK was celts before Rome, like the Irish and Scots, the British tho were Creole culture between Rome and Germanic tribes, they continued Rome’s job.


The seed of collapse of the west was its benevolence and charity, and we weren’t morally wrong, the leftists are morally wrong to abuse it

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

What I mean by collapse is exactly that, the global elites won't collapse they have hugh birthrate high power and structure I'm talking about western "population" and commoners

Oh then it happened already long time ago, I don’t think there is anything yet to be more of a collapse then collapse we already have.

Idk if you are familiar with a term beta revolution.

The post 1960s changes are beta revolution. It’s evolutionary term where inferior species try to establish control over superior ones, it always ends with bloody return of natural hierarchy, so it will happen sooner or later but as I said maybe 500 years

 

[druid]

by then the nano machines will keep me alive and I'll formed a relationship with them I'll call them all gerald.

It all starts in Rome, the west is just continuation


And USA is currently in the tipping point, that Europe already lost 100 years ago, USA is still a country with majority of sane people and leftists struggling to take over, Europe was taken over long time ago.

It’s not that it starts in UK, what is UK? UK was celts before Rome, like the Irish and Scots, the British tho were Creole culture between Rome and Germanic tribes, they continued Rome’s job.


The seed of collapse of the west was its benevolence and charity, and we weren’t morally wrong, the leftists are morally wrong to abuse it

I use the spenglerian model, Rome is part of the apollonian civilization that started in ancient greece and ended with the fall of the western roman empire, the west is germano-celtic not roman it only takes ispiration by romans, in 1717 UK freemasonry and modernism were enstablished and made the whole enlightned and gnostic philosophy that treats humans as individual machines etc.. that posited the basis to say "women are like man because both are individuals", it's very complex

 

[druid]

Oh then it happened already long time ago, I don’t think there is anything yet to be more of a collapse then collapse we already have.

Idk if you are familiar with a term beta revolution.

The post 1960s changes are beta revolution. It’s evolutionary term where inferior species try to establish control over superior ones, it always ends with bloody return of natural hierarchy, so it will happen sooner or later but as I said maybe 500 years

You think the niggers will follow the rules of the whites? I think it will take at least another 50 years to impose them

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

You think the niggers will follow the rules of the whites? I think it will take at least another 50 years to impose them

They do follow the rules because the rules benefit them. All the kallergi plan, the beta revolution of women and blacks against whites.

I am asking kindly to read history of Haiti where French gradually gave freedom to slaves just for slaves to kill all whites, spread dangerous disease on white villages, hang French soldiers on palm trees etc.

That’s what will happen in the west but it will only be geographical west.

If you mean collapse of ideological west it’s 1900s for Europe and 1960s for America

If you mean collapse of geographical west then NEVER because the west is the most fertile and environmentally habitable land, there will always be SOME population there but it won’t be white men, it will be black women

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

I use the spenglerian model, Rome is part of the apollonian civilization that started in ancient greece and ended with the fall of the western roman empire, the west is germano-celtic not roman it only takes ispiration by romans, in 1717 UK freemasonry and modernism were enstablished and made the whole enlightned and gnostic philosophy that treats humans as individual machines etc.. that posited the basis to say "women are like man because both are individuals", it's very complex

Alright I have different view

I see freemasonry as positive force not negative one, similarly the jewry.

I agree that Germans are part of the west but in an ontological essence what we can Germans is Creole culture, the proper Germanic culture was hitler, who was anti-western.

The west is based on Christianity which is ROMAN and JEWISH, it’s a mix, I don’t think it’s mere inspiration rather genuine Creole, it’s complicated and I know less about history than you do, I rather have my own theory that may be incorrect historically but seems to explain modernity

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

I use the spenglerian model, Rome is part of the apollonian civilization that started in ancient greece and ended with the fall of the western roman empire, the west is germano-celtic not roman it only takes ispiration by romans, in 1717 UK freemasonry and modernism were enstablished and made the whole enlightned and gnostic philosophy that treats humans as individual machines etc.. that posited the basis to say "women are like man because both are individuals", it's very complex

And I agree woman is like man and both are individuals therefore feminism is evil, satanic and “Eastern” because it says woman is superior to man and there is no individualism just collectivism

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

I use the spenglerian model, Rome is part of the apollonian civilization that started in ancient greece and ended with the fall of the western roman empire, the west is germano-celtic not roman it only takes ispiration by romans, in 1717 UK freemasonry and modernism were enstablished and made the whole enlightned and gnostic philosophy that treats humans as individual machines etc.. that posited the basis to say "women are like man because both are individuals", it's very complex

I mean I don’t disagree with you, rather I want you to precise what collapse do you mean in current thread

 

[druid]

Alright I have different view

I see freemasonry as positive force not negative one, similarly the jewry.

I agree that Germans are part of the west but in an ontological essence what we can Germans is Creole culture, the proper Germanic culture was hitler, who was anti-western.

The west is based on Christianity which is ROMAN and JEWISH, it’s a mix, I don’t think it’s mere inspiration rather genuine Creole, it’s complicated and I know less about history than you do, I rather have my own theory that may be incorrect historically but seems to explain modernity

It's good to have hypothesis you never know what could be true, from spengler I only take how he divides european civilizations, I discard many things about him but you should read "The decline of The West", he divides european history in: faustian(modern western europe, USA, canada and australia, starting around 1000 a.D., it took christianity and made it hyper rational and mathematical according to him, simbolically in architecture it is rapresented by the Gothic cathedral, naturally inspired by the tall trees of black forests in germany); apollonian (greco-roman civilization, starting in greece expanding to rome and egypt, simbolically represented by the greek temple, inspired in nature by the greek arcipelago and sea); "orthodox" or russian (according to him this civilization was born between the fusion of the slavs with orthodox christianity and it is still very very young, you can see it's ideas in the books of Doestoevskij, the symbol has yet to emerge fully but looks like russian orthodox churches with roundish absorbing shapes, naturally rapresented by the infinite flat steppe)

 

[druid]

And I agree woman is like man and both are individuals therefore feminism is evil, satanic and “Eastern” because it says woman is superior to man and there is no individualism just collectivism

Interesting, I view women and men as very different, only that they have both free will so they are equally accountable but I see the woman as naturally passive

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

It's good to have hypothesis you never know what could be true, from spengler I only take how he divides european civilizations, I discard many things about him but you should read "The decline of The West", he divides european history in: faustian(modern western europe, USA, canada and australia, starting around 1000 a.D., it took christianity and made it hyper rational and mathematical according to him, simbolically in architecture it is rapresented by the Gothic cathedral, naturally inspired by the tall trees of black forests in germany); apollonian (greco-roman civilization, starting in greece expanding to rome and egypt, simbolically represented by the greek temple, inspired in nature by the greek arcipelago and sea); "orthodox" or russian (according to him this civilization was borned between the fusion of the slavs with orthodox christianity and it is still very very young, you can see it's ideas in the books of Doestoevskij, the symbol has yet to emerge fully but looks like russian orthodox churches with roundish absorbing shapes, naturally rapresented by the infinite flat steppe)

Alright I would say it is accurate but not relevant so much.

Orthodox civilization died out completely and modern Russia is not its symbol just a larp-state of former USSR elites.

Apollonian civilization is perhaps only relevant in Italy, but the problem is Italians are not ethnically white, I mean not related too much to original Romans which mixed with Germans and went northwards

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

Interesting, I view women and men as very different, only that they have both free will so they are equally accountable but I see the woman as naturally passive

Yes of course, they are different, but individual means individual accountability.

That if woman steals SHE steals, in medieval model it was man’s fault for his wife stealing. I think that is basis of west as it is and what the left and beta revolution opposes in favor of collective, group-based and identity based responsibility (if one man steals all men are responsible)

 

[druid]

I mean I don’t disagree with you, rather I want you to precise what collapse do you mean in current thread

By collapse I mean simply that what i call the west will be fragmented and the population will be so uncapable of being good slaves for some years meaning that it's institutions will fall and people will return to work the land for some time wether they will be blacks or not, and feminism will have to end because they will be forced to end it

 

[druid]

Alright I would say it is accurate but not relevant so much.

Orthodox civilization died out completely and modern Russia is not its symbol just a larp-state of former USSR elites.

Apollonian civilization is perhaps only relevant in Italy, but the problem is Italians are not ethnically white, I mean not related too much to original Romans which mixed with Germans and went northwards

I agree that the orthodox one was frozen and kept captive spengler says the same, about the apollonian one italians are whiter now than before in reality, the germanics came from scandinavia down to germany they do not represent how the natives of the rest of europe look like, you should see the difference between a celt of ireland vs an anglo, the anglo will always be whiter as anglos came recently from northern germany and south scandinavia, we can even see statues and mosaic in which ancient romans looked as dark as today if not more, on the greeks I agree tho modern greeks have a bit more anatolian dna

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

By collapse I mean simply that what i call the west will be fragmented and the population will be so uncapable of being good slaves for some years meaning that it's institutions will fall and people will return to work the land for some time wether they will be blacks or not, and feminism will have to end because they will be forced to end it

Alright, I don’t see it as a collapse as this is the plan of current elites

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

I agree that the orthodox one was frozen and kept captive spengler says the same, about the apollonian one italians are whiter now than before in reality, the germanics came from scandinavia down to germany they do not rapresent how the natives of the rest of europe look like, you should see the difference between a celt of ireland vs an anglo, the anglo will always be whiter as anglos came recently from northern germany and south scandinavia

To me Germanic means hitler, western means Roman-alike. It may be inaccurate historically but is accurate sociologically

 

[druid]

Alright, I don’t see it as a collapse as this is the plan of current elites

Yes it's their plan but I think it will take some time to be achieved

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

Yes it's their plan but I think it will take some time to be achieved

It already is achieved. Rape gangs in UK are fine because they are black, a white boy trying to work and live is not ok because he is white, women killing men are ok because they are women.

What I mean by collapse is end of beta revolution and comeback of natural hierarchy


White male > white female > black male > black female

 

[druid]

It already is achieved. Rape gangs in UK are fine because they are black, a white boy trying to work and live is not ok because he is white, women killing men are ok because they are women.

What I mean by collapse is end of beta revolution and comeback of natural hierarchy


White male > white female > black male > black female

The problem is that it now is anarcho tyranny, if you're white you're still forced to be a slave, I hope in a point in which there will be so much anarchy that nobody from official institutions will be able to force you to be a slave except some savage warlord n1gger with a gun, in that case women will pe enslaved by whites too and what is happening with the grooming gangs will be just a glimpse

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

The problem is that it now is anarcho tyranny, if you're white you're still forced to be a slave, I hope in a point in which there will be so much anarchy that nobody from official institutions will be able to force you to be a slave except some savage warlord n1gger with a gun, in that case women will pe enslaved by whites too and what is happening with the grooming gangs will be just a glimpse

Nah we will have federalization and ghettoization of societies and forming tiny city-states and then white patriarchal ones will conquer woke black feminist ones in brutal wars

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

Nah we will have federalization and ghettoization of societies and forming tiny city-states and then white patriarchal ones will conquer woke black feminist ones in brutal wars

Look at Alberta independence, Catalonia independence etc, that’s what’s going to be global

 

[SewerPolarKoala]

The problem is that it now is anarcho tyranny, if you're white you're still forced to be a slave, I hope in a point in which there will be so much anarchy that nobody from official institutions will be able to force you to be a slave except some savage warlord n1gger with a gun, in that case women will pe enslaved by whites too and what is happening with the grooming gangs will be just a glimpse

We don’t live in anarcho tyranny, it’s a perfectly planned genocide mechanism, a large-scale Auschwitz

 

[RandomGuy]

Iran tells Houthis to close Red Sea gateway if US hits power network​

 

[druid]

Nah we will have federalization and ghettoization of societies and forming tiny city-states and then white patriarchal ones will conquer woke black feminist ones in brutal wars

Hopefully so but I see a situation like this starting to form slightly after the half of this century, we could say like the fall of the west roman empire, what spengler said which I doubt will be true is that there would be more and more people like hitler and mussolini and that eventually they could win against the jews but I doubt this will ever happen