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Jfl. Reminder that nobody in Europe ever doubted GDP figures until they started showing Americans majorly kicking (Western) European asses. Americans moneymog like hell, deal with it guys, you still moneymog us EEpoors and the rest of the world anyway.
The fact that higher incomes correlate with lower, not higher, working hours already feels like some cosmic joke meant to make the poors really feel the humiliation, but the fact that you can actually use it as proof that Americans are outpacing Europeans because the former are starting to work less while the latter are over time working more is just beyond brutal.
Insanely brutal. But the US has mogged Europe for a long time, what's even more brutal is how East Asia (and increasingly Asia as a whole) now mogs Europe (how the perception of "Made in China" labels changed so quickly is very telling of this). As far as the Global North goes, Europe is firmly in third place. Europe used to be an industrial heavyweight, but I would say that it's shameful to be an European now. It is confusing enough how many people from the Global South choose to move here instead of North America or East Asia when they have the option, but that some people from North America and East Asia choose to move here is even more puzzling. Europe has fallen and it gets noticeably worse every day.
You have no idea what you're talking about, retard. Yes, nominally, the US has a much higher GDP per capita than Western Europe, yet it has lower median wealth. "Muh GDP" is also one of the most abysmal metrics for actual prosperity or quality of life. The US has doubled its GDP since 2010, yet the average American's lived experience tells a very different story. ~40-60% of the population is still unable to handle a $1,000 emergency without debt.
Half of America is already brown, their president is in the Epstien files and blackmailed by Israel, and the country is set toward demographic replacement and ever-worsening wealth inequality. Western Europeans (to say nothing of less of EE) are far better off.
Water is wet. USA is the main character of the world, where all the money is made and all the future developments are plotted. Even in Europe they say that if you want to get REALLY rich, you need to move out of your country and immigrate to USA.
You have no idea what you're talking about, retard. Yes, nominally, the US has a much higher GDP per capita than Western Europe, yet it has lower median wealth.
I'm aware of that, but that includes real estate and other stuff the normal person can't actually use as a payment, which is also why the median wealth in Germany is between that of Portugal and Greece.
The US has doubled its GDP since 2010, yet the average American's lived experience tells a very different story. ~40-60% of the population is still unable to handle a $1,000 emergency without debt.
Half of America is already brown, their president is in the Epstien files and blackmailed by Israel, and the country is set toward demographic replacement and ever-worsening wealth inequality.
Regardless of how cope the average Bulgarian lives a better life than the average American. Now imagine how much better would the German or Frenchman living outside a shithole like berlin or France. Quote meaningless statistics all you want.
US is only wealthier due to extreme inequality and corporations exploiting you at every turn. The system is optimized for money and literally nothing else
Euros may not be able to buy as much junk, but life is a lot chiller when Jews aren't maximally milking you for every penny (student loans, medical debt, self-funding retirement, etc)
This sort of dog-eat-dog mentality leads to things like drug use. "Deaths of Despair" are per capita far lower in most Euro countries
Europe will outlast America because they have better demographics. If America stopped all those beamers from illegally crossing the border then they would have remained the wealthiest nation in the world forever.
Europe will outlast America because they have better demographics. If America stopped all those beamers from illegally crossing the border then they would have remained the wealthiest nation in the world forever.
US is only wealthier due to extreme inequality and corporations exploiting you at every turn. The system is optimized for money and literally nothing else
Euros may not be able to buy as much junk, but life is a lot chiller when Jews aren't maximally milking you for every penny (student loans, medical debt, self-funding retirement, etc)
This sort of dog-eat-dog mentality leads to things like drug use. "Deaths of Despair" are per capita far lower in most Euro countries
US is only wealthier due to extreme inequality and corporations exploiting you at every turn. The system is optimized for money and literally nothing else
Euros may not be able to buy as much junk, but life is a lot chiller when Jews aren't maximally milking you for every penny (student loans, medical debt, self-funding retirement, etc)
This sort of dog-eat-dog mentality leads to things like drug use. "Deaths of Despair" are per capita far lower in most Euro countries
Why do the wealthy no longer employ servants while we have some of the highest levels of inequality in recorded history? We have much greater inequality compared to the Gilded Age but it was 1000000000000x more common for the wealthy to retain dozens of servants which was only allowable because the labor was so cheap but we have greater inequality now and no servants
Why do the wealthy no longer employ servants while we have some of the highest levels of inequality in recorded history? We have much greater inequality compared to the Gilded Age but it was 1000000000000x more common for the wealthy to retain dozens of servants which was only allowable because the labor was so cheap but we have greater inequality now and no servants
US is only wealthier due to extreme inequality and corporations exploiting you at every turn. The system is optimized for money and literally nothing else
Euros may not be able to buy as much junk, but life is a lot chiller when Jews aren't maximally milking you for every penny (student loans, medical debt, self-funding retirement, etc)
This sort of dog-eat-dog mentality leads to things like drug use. "Deaths of Despair" are per capita far lower in most Euro countries
I don't understand what the point of comparing USA and Europe is. Is it just about dick measuring contests, only now it's about who has it marginally less bad?
Europe isn't homogeneous in the slightest - culturally, demographically and economically.
Take any southern European country and they'll be faring worse than the US, take any country north of France and they'll be faring on par if not better than the US, with welfare state policies and way less kikery going on.
Only that in the last 15 years the kikery has only increased and increased and unless your name is Poland, Norway or any of the microstates, you're a liberal shithole infested with imported doctors and engineers.
Everything else about "muh lifestyle" is cope. Our lives aren't much different.
u europoors r such fagotts!!11!!!!1! yeah i gotta use my fat goy automobile & scooter for my fat ass to get from point a to b cuz of the terrible infrastructure incentivizing to not walk and eat complete garbage goy slop since its legal to be sold here. i love to pay enormous amounts of money for basic health care which is much cheaper and often in better quality in the „europoorean“ countries. and yeah, the homocide rate is staggering in comparison but i definitely believe that every maniac should get a gun, so we can overthrow the government if needed! (didn’t do shit after epstein openly talks about the stupidity of goy in the leaked e-mails)
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I'm a carnivore and the rich are my favourite food
Everyday goods are more expensive in JewSA, I believe. European countries also offer free healthcare and other social benefits that US doesn't. All of that on top of US citizens paying upwards of 20% in tax.
Regardless of how cope the average Bulgarian lives a better life than the average American. Now imagine how much better would the German or Frenchman living outside a shithole like berlin or France. Quote meaningless statistics all you want.
US is only wealthier due to extreme inequality and corporations exploiting you at every turn. The system is optimized for money and literally nothing else
Euros may not be able to buy as much junk, but life is a lot chiller when Jews aren't maximally milking you for every penny (student loans, medical debt, self-funding retirement, etc)
This sort of dog-eat-dog mentality leads to things like drug use. "Deaths of Despair" are per capita far lower in most Euro countries
Why do the wealthy no longer employ servants while we have some of the highest levels of inequality in recorded history? We have much greater inequality compared to the Gilded Age but it was 1000000000000x more common for the wealthy to retain dozens of servants which was only allowable because the labor was so cheap but we have greater inequality now and no servants
Everyday goods are more expensive in JewSA, I believe. European countries also offer free healthcare and other social benefits that US doesn't. All of that on top of US citizens paying upwards of 20% in tax.
To compare macroeconomic indicators across countries, we must adjust for differences in currencies and price levels to ensure we are comparing apples with apples, and not apples with oranges. Purch…
I'm talking like a full scaled hierarchical infrastructure, like butlers, footmen, maids, cooks, a full dedicated human domestic infrastructure. I've only seen domestic infrastructures like that with an actual subservient class among the upper UHNWIs. Millionaires have zero servants. It's mostly intermediated. Maybe the elites were able to psy-op the world into thinking their jobs weren't their identity even though they treat it as is. Some sort of cope I guess?
I'm talking like a full scaled hierarchical infrastructure, like butlers, footmen, maids, cooks, a full dedicated human domestic infrastructure. I've only seen domestic infrastructures like that with an actual subservient class among the upper UHNWIs. Millionaires have zero servants. It's mostly intermediated. Maybe the elites were able to psy-op the world into thinking their jobs weren't their identity even though they treat it as is. Some sort of cope I guess?
They cost a fuckton, at least in JewSA. Janitors can make 40k. Housekeeping could net you 60k. JewSA has this culture of overpaying for dumb manual work and disregarding Academic Meritocracy. Low-end Millionaires certainly cannot afford those services.
The comments on that reddit post are interesting. AICs valuation does seem pretty biased towards a capitalist market. It seems AIC heavily undervalues the public services these European countries provide.
They cost a fuckton, at least in JewSA. Janitors can make 40k. Housekeeping could net you 60k. JewSA has this culture of overpaying for dumb manual work and disregarding Academic Meritocracy. Low-end Millionaires certainly cannot afford those services.
Labor cost is low, but everything is very flat-lined. A mac-wagie with a little overtime can match the pay of a college graduate in a corporate building. The only hierarchy now (a much simpler) is Elite faggots -> Millionaire niggers -> All the peasant suckers. Another underrated reason is the erasure of extended middle-class families. Families no longer live under the same roof, a situation that once provided greater economic stability because wealth wasn’t fragmented and spending was much more limited.
I'm aware of that, but that includes real estate and other stuff the normal person can't actually use as a payment, which is also why the median wealth in Germany is between that of Portugal and Greece.
Real estate is absolutely wealth and remains one of the primary stores of value for the middle class. The U.S. also has the steepest mean-median gap on Earth. Half of Americans have far less usable wealth than the typical EUrangutan.
Overall quality of life and human wellbeing, though even these metrics don't fully capture many of the structural problems facing the U.S. Using GDP as a proxy for either is a rather shitty and ad hoc solution, as it's just a measure of the market value of goods and services produced per person (Simon Kuznets himself warned against using it in such cases). It also doesn't fully account for shadow economies, which make up a large share of Southern and Eastern European countries.
Since you're resorting to whataboutism: the EU average is ~30%, non-EU Western European countries are at ~20-25%, and non-EU Eastern European countries are at ~40-60% - cf. the U.S.'s 50-60% (slight correction).
Around 1 in 4 adults (23%) reported they would be unable to pay an unexpected but necessary expense of £850; this was higher among adults who pay rent to the council, housing association, or charitable trust (61%), Black, African, Caribbean or Black British adults (49%), and adults living in the most deprived areas of England (44%).
Social insights on daily life, including personal well-being, cost of living, and attitudes on important issues, from the Opinions and Lifestyle Survey (OPN).
Once again, you're utterly clueless. GDP is not everything, and having actually visited a few U.S. states, I can attest that daily life the country I live in (one of Europe's poorer countries) is much better than one could think - significantly lower cost of living, far safer, less stressful. Though what sucks are public services.
Real estate is absolutely wealth and remains one of the primary stores of value for the middle class. The U.S. also has the steepest mean-median gap on Earth. Half of Americans have far less usable wealth than the typical EUrangutan.
It is wealth, but you can't do anything with it in day-to-day life (and will touch it and do anything with it maybe once or twice in life), while you can do so with financial assets which Americans have a crapload of.
Not differentiating between real estate and liquid assets also leads to bizarre stuff like this, which is just self-explanatory:
Yes, us Slovaks are the biggest richfags of CEE, that's why we clamor to do low-level work in German companies and our foids are maids/whores in Austria, we just don't know what to do with all that money and decide to help the poor Germanics out because we are just so charitable.
Using GDP as a proxy for either is a rather shitty and ad hoc solution, as it's just a measure of the market value of goods and services produced per person (Simon Kuznets himself warned against using it in such cases). It also doesn't fully account for shadow economies, which make up a large share of Southern and Eastern European countries.
True, that's why I've also mentioned AIC per capita, which is pretty good at smoothing out the differences between countries by better capturing the shadow economy and taking out the inflating effect outshoring and tax heaven locatins experience with their GDP.
Also, even not taking AIC into account, GDP is extremely similar to GNI in all major/developed countries, and the latter is solely an income measure, not a measure of economic activity like GDP.
Bruh, the entire thread is about how the US and European countries compare economically, how is it whataboutism to ask how they compare in this domain as well?
the EU average is ~30%, non-EU Western European countries are at ~20-25%, and non-EU Eastern European countries are at ~40-60% - cf. the U.S.'s 50-60% (slight correction).
Social insights on daily life, including personal well-being, cost of living, and attitudes on important issues, from the Opinions and Lifestyle Survey (OPN).
Thoughts on those articles debunking the Bankrate survey itself? Apparently, they weren't really asking about people's money situation, but just how they would cover those expenses and extrapolated from there. That is far from perfect as someone with 10,000+ dollars in their bank account can still choose to cut down on their expenses to pay for that, rather than touch their savings.
The median American apparently actually has around $8,000 in the bank, according to the Federal Reserve data.
Curious how much money Americans keep in their checking and savings accounts? This data will show you where you fall by age, household, and education level.
www.investopedia.com
the report doesn't technically say that 59% of people can't afford a $1K expense like all the articles are saying. The report asks participants HOW they would deal with a sudden expense like a $1K emergency room visit. 41% said they would use emergency savings. The others said they would finance with a credit card, reduce spending on other things, borrow from friends and family, etc. I guess you can extrapolate that if 59% of people wouldn't use their savings, it means they don't have 1K saved. But it honestly feels like those articles are being a little sensational and misleading because that's not really what the report said.
Makes sense, since it would be bizarre if people in a country with such high salaries didn't have a thousand dollars at hand, though using it could still be undesirable for them. I'm not sure how that compares with the median European, but I can imagine that that amount is lower, if only because of us EEs and Southern Europeans as well (to a point) pulling the median lower. It's obviously nearly impossible for there to be a higher percentage of Americans who can't come up with a thousand dollars than the percentage of such people in non-EU EE countries, as you seemed to imply.
From what I can find, German gross per capita savings are currently at around €6,000, but since that's arithmetic average, it's bound to be skewed upwards by the very rich. And of course, it should be lower in most of the rest of Europe.
Notable, but ultimately peripheral problems the average person will never encounter. There's a reason all of those are counted in a "per 100,000 people" format.
It isn't, but it still says a lot and there's a reason everybody wishes theirs was greater, apart from very few leftist ideologues who have lost the plot.
and having actually visited a few U.S. states, I can attest that daily life the country I live in (one of Europe's poorer countries) is much better than one could think - significantly lower cost of living, far safer, less stressful. Though what sucks are public services.
Insanely brutal. But the US has mogged Europe for a long time, what's even more brutal is how East Asia (and increasingly Asia as a whole) now mogs Europe (how the perception of "Made in China" labels changed so quickly is very telling of this). As far as the Global North goes, Europe is firmly in third place. Europe used to be an industrial heavyweight, but I would say that it's shameful to be an European now. It is confusing enough how many people from the Global South choose to move here instead of North America or East Asia when they have the option, but that some people from North America and East Asia choose to move here is even more puzzling. Europe has fallen and it gets noticeably worse every day.
That illustrates it very well. It's good that we have someone dedicated to analysing data like you here, you always have receipts to back up everything you say.
u europoors r such fagotts!!11!!!!1! yeah i gotta use my fat goy automobile & scooter for my fat ass to get from point a to b cuz of the terrible infrastructure incentivizing to not walk and eat complete garbage goy slop since its legal to be sold here. i love to pay enormous amounts of money for basic health care which is much cheaper and often in better quality in the „europoorean“ countries. and yeah, the homocide rate is staggering in comparison but i definitely believe that every maniac should get a gun, so we can overthrow the government if needed! (didn’t do shit after epstein openly talks about the stupidity of goy in the leaked e-mails)
That illustrates it very well. It's good that we have someone dedicated to analysing data like you here, you always have receipts to back up everything you say.
As an American, I can concur. I didn’t even know how fucked over we got with neetbux until I heard euros talking about it, I thought the US was generally the status quo of how it was in most of Europe. One of our few downsides unfortunately
You have no idea what you're talking about, retard. Yes, nominally, the US has a much higher GDP per capita than Western Europe, yet it has lower median wealth. "Muh GDP" is also one of the most abysmal metrics for actual prosperity or quality of life. The US has doubled its GDP since 2010, yet the average American's lived experience tells a very different story. ~40-60% of the population is still unable to handle a $1,000 emergency without debt.
Half of America is already brown, their president is in the Epstien files and blackmailed by Israel, and the country is set toward demographic replacement and ever-worsening wealth inequality. Western Europeans (to say nothing of less of EE) are far better off.
Europe often provides more public services, but the average American has higher disposable income, larger homes, greater asset ownership, and higher median wealth. If quality of life is measured by material living standards relative to earnings and long-term wealth accumulation, the United States has a strong advantage over most European countries.
The U.S. economy also provides greater upside potential. European countries generally compress incomes through higher taxation and redistribution, which can reduce inequality but also limit earning potential. In contrast, the United States offers some of the world’s highest salaries in fields such as technology, medicine, engineering, finance, and business. This allows many Americans to build wealth much faster than similarly skilled workers in Europe.
Housing is another example. Although housing costs can be extremely high in major American cities, the typical American home is significantly larger than the typical European home. Americans also tend to have more living space per person, larger vehicles, and greater access to consumer goods. From a purely material standpoint, many Americans enjoy a higher level of consumption than Europeans with similar educational backgrounds and occupations.
It depends on your situation. I would be poor because of my autism and depression.
It isn't easy to emigrate to USA now. You have to have a high tier career whereas 30+ years ago you could move there and do construction work. Australia must be much easier to get into.
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. Reminder that nobody in Europe ever doubted GDP figures until they started showing Americans majorly kicking (Western) European asses
