Based Epictetus on loneliness (advice for incels)

[Over 9000]

''Why do we make ourselves worse than children? and what do children do when they are left alone? They take up shells and ashes, and they build something, then pull it down, and build something else, and so they never want the means of passing the time. Shall I then, if you sail away, sit down and weep, because I have been left alone and solitary? Shall I then have no shells, no ashes? But children do what they do through want of thought (or deficiency in knowledge),and we through knowledge are unhappy.''
~Discourses of Epictetus(BOOK III CHAPTER XIII)

Another quote:

'Remember that you must behave in life as at a dinner party. Is anything brought around to you? Put out your hand and take your share with moderation. Does it pass by you? Don’t stop it. Is it not yet come? Don’t stretch your desire towards it, but wait till it reaches you. Do this with regard to children, to a wife, to public posts, to riches, and you will eventually be a worthy partner of the feasts of the gods.'
~Enchiridion (Aphorism XV)

 

[BataviaCel]

philosophy is cope

 

[AloneCel]

Im too retarded to read this shit

 

[Over 9000]

philosophy is cope

Fr makes me not rope

 

[Moroccancel]

philosophy is cope

It depends what you mean by cope. If we return to the stoicism of accepting that there are variables that we can control and variables that we cannot control, we are talking purely about a whitepill: do what you can and not get lost in an obsessive behavior in what has no change.

Are we unfuckable incels? Yeah, We can do something? It doesn't seem like it and there are no solutions. If there is no solution, why lose ourselves in this suffering?

The problem is basically building our life based on our inceldom. This is a cucked thought, in essence and in purpose; where if you don't have a foid your life can only end in the most absolute NEET imitating the TRANNYMAXXED behavior of parasitic women.

This is just the enjoyment of an illusion; foids are also copes. Everything in life is a cope.

 

[BataviaCel]

It depends what you mean by cope. If we return to the stoicism of accepting that there are variables that we can control and variables that we cannot control, we are talking purely about a whitepill: do what you can and not get lost in an obsessive behavior in what has no change.

Are we unfuckable incels? Yeah, We can do something? It doesn't seem like it and there are no solutions. If there is no solution, why lose ourselves in this suffering?

The problem is basically building our life based on our inceldom. This is a cucked thought, in essence and in purpose; where if you don't have a foid your life can only end in the most absolute NEET imitating the TRANNYMAXXED behavior of parasitic women.

This is just the enjoyment of an illusion; foids are also copes. Everything in life is a cope.

im against all philosophy that kinda props up this idea of "life is suffering, and we need to overcome it, thats the meaning of life! your suffering is what makes you strong!" type bullshit thats floating around on youtube.

But yeah, the stoicism thing is okay i guess.

 

[blackraven]

I won't read your post cuz i need to dump a large shit

 

[Over 9000]

It depends what you mean by cope. If we return to the stoicism of accepting that there are variables that we can control and variables that we cannot control, we are talking purely about a whitepill: do what you can and not get lost in an obsessive behavior in what has no change.

Are we unfuckable incels? Yeah, We can do something? It doesn't seem like it and there are no solutions. If there is no solution, why lose ourselves in this suffering?

The problem is basically building our life based on our inceldom. This is a cucked thought, in essence and in purpose; where if you don't have a foid your life can only end in the most absolute NEET imitating the TRANNYMAXXED behavior of parasitic women.

This is just the enjoyment of an illusion; foids are also copes. Everything in life is a cope.

i see incles/blackpiller making 'getting foids' an objective goal/meaning of life and perceive those who do not share this viewpoint and are not distressed by their romantic situation as 'copers' .

 

[blackraven]

i see incles/blackpiller making 'getting foids' an objective goal/meaning of life and perceive those who do not share this viewpoint and are not distressed by their romantic situation as 'copers' .

if fucking women is not what you're looking for, then what is?

 

[blackraven]

i see incles/blackpiller making 'getting foids' an objective goal/meaning of life and perceive those who do not share this viewpoint and are not distressed by their romantic situation as 'copers' .

besides blackpillers does not mean they crave sex because, sexhaver normies and chads can be blackpilled too, but it takes large amount of honesty to admit that they got sex only because they won the genetic lottery to have chance to begin with

 

[proudweeb]

philosophy is cope

that is actually a pretty accurate and succinct statement lol

 

[FakeFakecel]

so basically LDAR until a foid wants you? lmao

 

[PoodankMcGee]

Stoicism is gigacope at best and at worst a tool of societal control to keep the disenfranchised proletariat content with their lot and to keep them from resisting those with power/money/sex.

If you do not already have those things then ENVY IS GOOD. It is what motivates us to act, to live, and to fight those who keep us disempowered. Nietzsche said it best if you care to read his critique: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/256904-you-desire-to-live-according-to-nature-oh-you-noble

In short, stoicism is cucked, epictetus was gigacucked, op is cucked for reiterating normie tier cope philosophy, i went through that phase when i was 16.

 

[Over 9000]

Stoicism is gigacope at best and at worst a tool of societal control to keep the disenfranchised proletariat content with their lot and to keep them from resisting those with power/money/sex.

If you do not already have those things then ENVY IS GOOD. It is what motivates us to act, to live, and to fight those who keep us disempowered. Nietzsche said it best if you care to read his critique: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/256904-you-desire-to-live-according-to-nature-oh-you-noble

In short, stoicism is cucked, epictetus was gigacucked, op is cucked for reiterating normie tier cope philosophy, i went through that phase when i was 16.

nietzschean ubermench vs stoic sage death battle...who would win?
P.s nega be calling stocism normie tier philosophy whilw reading nietzsche lmao

 

[Moroccancel]

Stoicism is gigacope at best and at worst a tool of societal control to keep the disenfranchised proletariat content with their lot and to keep them from resisting those with power/money/sex.

If you do not already have those things then ENVY IS GOOD. It is what motivates us to act, to live, and to fight those who keep us disempowered. Nietzsche said it best if you care to read his critique: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/256904-you-desire-to-live-according-to-nature-oh-you-noble

In short, stoicism is cucked, epictetus was gigacucked, op is cucked for reiterating normie tier cope philosophy, i went through that phase when i was 16.

If there is no solution, what are you going to do? If we assume that foids have freedom of choice, what are you going to do? If you can't do anything, what are you going to do? Suffer needlessly? You repeat the term "cope" so many times that you can't even formulate the fact that stoicism is the central key and the attitude that every incel can take as the most optimal: understand the biological mechanisms that govern us and that life does not end because of a foid. The only way to break inceldom is precisely to remove the will of the foids to be cattle, and in a way, any person with a certain intellect knows perfectly well that having slaves is not, in the deepest analysis, something intellectually satisfying.

It is not even a cope, it is simply admitting that it is over/It never began and recognizing this, maximize our life under variables that we can control: blackpill and ultimately whitepill.

You choose the degree of suffering you want to impose on yourself.

 

[PoodankMcGee]

If there is no solution, what are you going to do? If we assume that foids have freedom of choice, what are you going to do? If you can't do anything, what are you going to do? Suffer needlessly?

The devil's in the details there—distinguishing what is within our control and what is beyond our control. Generally though when people practice Stoicism in the modern world they tend to disempower themselves and they end up with the same end result as if they neutered and castrated themselves and overdosed on soy, and I find that an unacceptable outcome. If practicing Stoicism means I accept our gynocentric society and I lay passive as academia, media, and government continues to demonize men and reallocate our resources and opportunities to foids, then I reject it. If I continue to live then I might as well strive to change this state of affairs. I see no benefit of Stoicism when I can just kill myself and that solves the problem of suffering just as well. If I am going to live than I might as well work to change things, even if it is uncertain the extent to which I have the power to make those changes. Arguably we are all suffering needlessly and we should just exterminate all human life on this wretched planet so no one need suffer any longer.

stoicism is the central key and the attitude that every incel can take as the most optimal: understand the biological mechanisms that govern us and that life does not end because of a foid.

I agree but Stoicism is not the only way to that conclusion. Even if individually we don't care about foids anymore we still face the repercussions of a society that values sex and is designed around families and couples, we are judged for being lone men out in public, as single wageslaves the government siphons our funds through taxes to subsidize breeders, etc. Divorcing your individual values from society's values does not eliminate the material consequences of being marginalized. And those material consequences matter regardless of how Stoic we try to be.

You choose the degree of suffering you want to impose on yourself.

This perhaps what I most disagree with. I might even argue that it is the very essence of the bluepill. We are biological beings with ingrained motivations for sex and belonging and status. When those needs are not met, we suffer. Our ability to reframe things mentally only goes so far, at some point you reach a biological limit. No one "chooses" to suffer.

Ultimately these are age-old debates that I am probably not doing justice, but at least we're having a real discussion instead of some circlejerk