Venting Elliot Rodger

[UndercovrNormie]

I've been reading the hERo's manifesto, and most of it is hyperbolic drivel from a mentally unstable lunatic, but the scariest thing about it is that a lot of it's correct, at least to a certain extent, if he didn't snap, I imagine him growing up to be a Jordan Peterson-esque internet personality. In no way am I defending his actions, what he did was abhorrent and if the little scum didn't end his life he should've been given the death sentence, but just because he did a horrible thing on his last leg that doesn't mean he should be completely disregarded, this passage in particular basically describes reality without the bullshit rose-tinted, happy-go-lucky "just be confident, bro" garbage we're all exposed to on a daily basis

"Childhood is fun, but when a boy reaches puberty a whole new world
opens up to him… a whole new world with new pleasures, such as sex and love. Other boys will
experience this, but not me, it pains me to say. That is the basis of my tragic life. I will not have a great
time in the next ten years."

Again, it's full of self-pitying hyperbole, but the fact that something as primal as sex doesn't come naturally to shy and awkward guys speaks volumes about the way our meritocracy (with exceptions, of course, for the femoids, minorities, freeloaders, etc. etc.) just expects people to jump through hoops they've never even seen before, it's not just with relationships and sex, either, I'm 19 and I haven't the slightest clue as to how to file taxes, granted that's not too much of an issue living in the UK, but what about Americacels (sorry if that's not the right term, correct me if I'm wrong).

People need to pay more attention to the next generation, it's not fucking rocket science, it's enraging to see people rotting away because they never got to develop social skills in a system that values the people running it more than it does the people it's supposed to revolve around.

I have a pretty bad sleeping disorder, so apologies if this is a low IQ post, call me out on my bullshit if I pull any.

 

[Anonymous MG]

Wondering why this is posted with the JFL tag, should be the serious tag.

 

[FrothySolutions]

Murder is wrong, but it's like you said, he was troubled mentally. The mentally ill need compassion, they need help for their illnesses. Not to be demonized. Don't kill people, sure. Killing is bad. But people seem to understand, in most cases, that the tragedy isn't just the loss of life, but that a good man went bad.

 

[UndercovrNormie]

Wondering why this is posted with the JFL tag, should be the serious tag.

Ah shit, I'm guessing it doesn't stand for what I think it stands for.

Murder is wrong, but it's like you said, he was troubled mentally. The mentally ill need compassion, they need help for their illnesses. Not to be demonized. Don't kill people, sure. Killing is bad. But people seem to understand, in most cases, that the tragedy isn't just the loss of life, but that a good man went bad.

Precisely, if he was actually loved by his bitch of a mother and basically non-existent father, 7 people would still be alive today.

 

[doktordoom]

Murder is wrong, but it's like you said, he was troubled mentally. The mentally ill need compassion, they need help for their illnesses. Not to be demonized. Don't kill people, sure. Killing is bad. But people seem to understand, in most cases, that the tragedy isn't just the loss of life, but that a good man went bad.

no murder is subjective. to some he was right in what he did to others he was not... i dont condone what he did because he took out 3 fellow incels but i do support his murder of the normies(especially if they were chads and stacies)... he was pushed over the edge by society and he was justified in snapping

 

[UndercovrNormie]

no murder is subjective. to some he was right in what he did to others he was not... i dont condone what he did because he took out 3 fellow incels but i do support his murder of the normies(especially if they were chads and stacies)... he was pushed over the edge by society and he was justified in snapping

Whether it was justified or not shouldn't be the discussion, he shouldn't have been in that position to begin with, tbh.

 

[Just_another_cel]

Saint Elliot did the right thing, the only thing that could have been done.

 

[TheCrusader0201]

the harsh reality: it feels bad man: ... ER They are a bad boy in his end, but not in his whole life, his manifesto, represent men, who will never have sexual relations in his adolescence and early adulthood: feltrope:
I include myself, this society, fuck, I always mention the decadent Plutodemocracies of the West: it feels bad man: ... but you know how the rest is, is not it over? It is not like this: feelsokman:

 

[universallyabhorred]

Saint Elliot did the right thing, the only thing that could have been done.

 

[doktordoom]

Whether it was justified or not shouldn't be the discussion, he shouldn't have been in that position to begin with, tbh.

i agree

 

[UndercovrNormie]

the harsh reality: it feels bad man: ... ER They are a bad boy in his end, but not in his whole life, his manifesto, represent men, who will never have sexual relations in his adolescence and early adulthood: feltrope:
I include myself, this society, fuck, I always mention the decadent Plutodemocracies of the West: it feels bad man: ... but you know how the rest is, is not it over? It is not like this: feelsokman:

It doesn't have to be.

 

[Frank]

There was a lot of truth to what he said. You have to read between the lines for a lot of it, but that being said people who've experienced similar thoughts, conversations, and social interactions can understand where he's coming from at the least. I understand the fail to empathize with someone who ended up lashing out on the world and at that.. doing it poorly and doing absolutely nothing to truly strengthen or progress his viewpoints. In fact he damaged pretty much anyone who was like him even further. He was intelligent in one way or another, but saying he'd become some internet personality like Jordan Peterson in some alternate timeline is a bit of a stretch. I don't find Jordan Peterson truly thought provoking or anything, but there is a vast difference between the two and more than likely always would of been even in the best case scenario for Elliot.

The action he took following all these events and writings should come up in discussion as well. His actions of lashing out against society says a lot more about him as a human being in such a gray area of conversation you should have pretty much everything on the table. He was a truly troubled individual and reminds me of a few people I had met within mental institutions over the years in my childhood. It honestly more than likely wasn't going to end good for him in life whether he had gotten a *perfect* girlfriend or not. That level of mental instability has no immediate fix and often none at all. However it was probably good to some degree that he didn't think in a "normal" or "acceptable" thought process, because due to that he was able to say things and leave writings out in the open that many people could align or identify with, but completely dismissed due to the ever present herd mentality or whatever their reasoning may be.

I do wish he didn't do what he did in the end, because then people would be more open to hearing about it whether people would like to admit it or not. While people would still be initially dismissive, and a majority always. It would still appeal to a wider audience and people wouldn't have to deal with the immediate dismissal that seems to plague people obsessed with providing themselves a facade of being a good open minded person. The fact he's labeled a killer throws his entire life in the untouchable zone known as macabre for a majority of the world. That goes along with anything he had to say, think, or even dream about. Even if it had true value to it. I would never call him a martyr personally, but I completely understand why some people would. I just wish more people would even just be open to an argument that aligns with some of the feelings Elliot possessed, because there was a lot of unfortunate and misunderstood qualities to his life experience. It's a dialogue that won't even be allowed to truly start in the modern era. Which is sadly unfortunate, because it should of happened decades ago.

Note: This is all over the place. My apologies if there is any objective bullshit in this. A lot of it is based around personal perspective and experience, and i wrote this quicker than I should of.

 

[UndercovrNormie]

100% this,

 

[Anger]

>Bruh murder and rape is wrong

 

[UndercovrNormie]

>Bruh murder and rape is wrong
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yeah, it kind of is

 

[Anger]

yeah, it kind of is

Mankind history literally was formed by it, but now suddenly it's bad

 

[UndercovrNormie]

Mankind history literally was formed by it, but now suddenly it's bad

Does this mean you'll get trepanned if you have a headache?

 

[Just_another_cel]

yeah, it kind of is

And being treated like a complete scumbag for doing nothing other than existing isn't wrong? The normies don't play by any rule book so why should we? There is no high road to take in this reality my friends. There is literally nothing you can do to change anyone's mind or opinion on you so what's wrong with creating a bit of chaos on the way out, ala ER? If ER had simply roped he would be another faceless incel but instead his name will live in infamy forever.

 

[UndercovrNormie]

And being treated like a complete scumbag for doing nothing other than existing isn't wrong? The normies don't play by any rule book so why should we? There is no high road to take in this reality my friends. There is literally nothing you can do to change anyone's mind or opinion on you so what's wrong with creating a bit of chaos on the way out, ala ER? If ER had simply roped he would be another faceless incel but instead his name will live in infamy forever.

If you want to go on a massacre then do it, nothing's stopping you.

 

[Just_another_cel]

If you want to go on a massacre then do it, nothing's stopping you.

Personally, I'm too high inhibition for that but I don't feel like it's fair to judge ER as a 100% evil person. A lot of years of pain and suffering went into his decision. Rarely is anything ever black and white, only shades of gray. If anyone should understand where he was coming from it should be people on this forum.

 

[UndercovrNormie]

Personally, I'm too high inhibition for that but I don't feel like it's fair to judge ER as a 100% evil person.

Which I didn't do once, most of my post was calling that out, actually.

 

[Just_another_cel]

Which I didn't do once, most of my post was calling that out, actually.

Sorry, you called him a mentally unstable lunatic and his manifesto hyperbolic drivel which I didn't think was fair. It wasn't really until the last few pages where he really went off the rails.

 

[UndercovrNormie]

Sorry, you called him a mentally unstable lunatic and his manifesto hyperbolic drivel which I didn't think was fair. It wasn't really until the last few pages where he really went off the rails.

Since when was feeling sorry for yourself an evil trait? Annoying, maybe, but you'd have to be just as off-your-rocker as he was to think that.

 

[Just_another_cel]

Since when was feeling sorry for yourself an evil trait? Annoying, maybe, but you'd have to be just as off-your-rocker as he was to think that.

You said murder and rape is wrong so I don't think it's a stretch you would consider ER a bad or evil person. You are trying to take a moral high ground making judgements on people when the reality is nobody gives a flying fuck if any incel is a good person inside. At the end of the day they're still going to be treated like shit.

 

[UndercovrNormie]

You said murder and rape is wrong so I don't think it's a stretch you would consider ER a bad or evil person. You are trying to take a moral high ground making judgements on people when the reality is nobody gives a flying fuck if any incel is a good person inside. At the end of the day they're still going to be treated like shit.

A lighter will do a much faster job if you insist on fighting straw men.

 

[anondump]

Foids think the state is omnipotent.
By sacrificing yourself youre proving them right.

 

[UndercovrNormie]

Foids think the state is omnipotent.
By sacrificing yourself youre proving them right.

Yeah, not to mention it gives every soyboy on the internet and in the MSM a nice, juicy headline for the next few weeks, really doesn't seem worth it IMO.

 

[Hellothere]

I've been reading the hERo's manifesto, and most of it is hyperbolic drivel from a mentally unstable lunatic, but the scariest thing about it is that a lot of it's correct, at least to a certain extent, if he didn't snap, I imagine him growing up to be a Jordan Peterson-esque internet personality. In no way am I defending his actions, what he did was abhorrent and if the little scum didn't end his life he should've been given the death sentence, but just because he did a horrible thing on his last leg that doesn't mean he should be completely disregarded, this passage in particular basically describes reality without the bullshit rose-tinted, happy-go-lucky "just be confident, bro" garbage we're all exposed to on a daily basis

"Childhood is fun, but when a boy reaches puberty a whole new world
opens up to him… a whole new world with new pleasures, such as sex and love. Other boys will
experience this, but not me, it pains me to say. That is the basis of my tragic life. I will not have a great
time in the next ten years."

Again, it's full of self-pitying hyperbole, but the fact that something as primal as sex doesn't come naturally to shy and awkward guys speaks volumes about the way our meritocracy (with exceptions, of course, for the femoids, minorities, freeloaders, etc. etc.) just expects people to jump through hoops they've never even seen before, it's not just with relationships and sex, either, I'm 19 and I haven't the slightest clue as to how to file taxes, granted that's not too much of an issue living in the UK, but what about Americacels (sorry if that's not the right term, correct me if I'm wrong).

People need to pay more attention to the next generation, it's not fucking rocket science, it's enraging to see people rotting away because they never got to develop social skills in a system that values the people running it more than it does the people it's supposed to revolve around.

I have a pretty bad sleeping disorder, so apologies if this is a low IQ post, call me out on my bullshit if I pull any.

I was going to post something similar saying ER was not delusional. Well, you could argue his demand of a tall, hot blonde on call was a bit off, but his observations, his reaction to things albeit a bit severe, makes sense given the world we live in. Like I said, he was a product of his environment and had no sense of emotional support/stability cause everyone is so fucking self absorbed nowadays. I don't mean kind of spaced out, or needing me time, no, it's beyond that.

I have no problem with his actions. Hell I could/can relate greatly. When it happened, I related to A LOT about what he saying. I had bene feeling that way for a long time. There were chances to stop him, he was only fucking posting his vids for all too see and no one bothered to watch. Well, one guy did and responded but that is a different story.

Yeah. You'd think he'd be the start of people going "Hmm, maybe something is off balance". See, he was the first social media killer. By that I mean, depending on who you ask, there are/were different layers to this.

If you ask the normal, everyday people about it, they'd say the typical he was a nut who just snapped, which well yes.

If you talked to or spent time reading those versed in internet culture, by that I mean the interconnected sites and network and social media in which people interact on a variety of things, for good and bad. The mostly now what you would call left leaning sjw feminazi so called progressives but they are just another circle jerk in an even bigger number of circle jerks and this in large part is why they couldn't even clearly see Trump was going to win, one of the many reasons I am glad he did, to see these fuckers suffer a good amount, to them, he was the inevitable of this long building up mix of the MRA/PUA/Manosphere/Entitled Toxic Masculinity sexist misogynist angry basement dwelling anime watching cheetos and mountain dew drinking neckbeard fedora wearing weirdos who "just need to change their personalities and be more feminist!", and all will magically change. ER was like, and if you remember this at all, I do, not every super minute detail, but this shit fucking EXPLODED across the internet like an out of control fire on top of an explosion, this was it for them, this was THE sign of all the cultural dreck and problems, this was the ultimate capping off of that, their tragic I told you so moment.