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NORMIES THE CONCEPT OF OWNERSHIP: HOW EVERYTHING IS TRANSACTIONAL


Before we begin, take a look at these examples and see for yourself what's wrong with them.


I HAVE a girlfriend.

I GOT a friend

I HAVE a son

I HAVE a family

I WANT a girlfriend

I WANT a family

I WANT a friend

MY son.

MY girlfriend .

MY child.

MY best friend.

You Don't GET bitches

Why don't you HAVE a girlfriend?

HIS/HER'S/THEIRS son/daughter/kid

At the surface, there is nothing of note with these sentences. In fact, they appear as exceptionally normal,if not dull even. You hear it time and time again. It's as common as rain within the dusty gray clouds and as the illuminating golden rays of the morning and midday sun in which earth bathes in . You hear it everywhere. In schools, at colleges, at the bus stop, at home, at work,etc...

Everywhere you go, there will always be this conversation between people discussing THEIR loved ones, as if they're objects or possessions to gloat with. Whether it be sons, daughters, friends, family, girlfriends, boyfriends, I've always somewhat found it weird how people talk about them, as something they've obtained, as if they were a reward, a trophy, or a possession, rather than a human being with its own soul, mind and character.

During one of my reads from poster @Ryo_Hazuki and his misadventures of cold approaching, which was also somewhat of inspiration for this thread, I've found something interesting in particular:


I approached this obese woman at the mall that I thought was by herself. She wasn't receptive to my approach and I was getting ready to walk away, then her boyfriend comes up to me and stands over me all like :feelsree:"YO THAT'S MY GIRL!". He was at least a few inches taller than be, like 6'4 and clearly jacked. I remember just looking at his traps popping out of his shirt (think like brock lesnar, or the moreplatesmoredates guy).


There wasn't anything unusual about the behaviour itself. It's classical mate guarding, practiced by every animal in the Kingdom, but what caught my eyes was the wording of it. There was this possessive tone coming off, almost as if he were referring to her as an object.As if you've touched his favourite console or shirt. Why would he get mad at his obese woman talking to an ugly dude besides slight embarrassment?

He knew Ryo was not that guy.

He knew he could pound his skull to the pavement if he wanted too.

He knew he wasn't a true threat.

He saw him face to face and he knew he wasn't a player, yet he still felt rage within him.

As if you've tried touching his personal stuff and agitated him. As if it were his little brother who tried to pry his hands on his Xbox so he beat his ass.

I heard it a million times before, especially with guys who'd catch you staring at their girl. They'd always give you this stare, as if you've opened a pack of chips in your classroom as other kids stare at you, looking as if they're begging to ask you for a piece. That's how I feel they, and women themselves, see them as. As an object. A property of sorts, that can be stolen, passed or damaged if not taken with care.

You also see it with women and the way they mention their boyfriends

:foidSoy:“oh My boyfriend is blah blah blah…”

Almost as if he's an accessory for her to flaunt around her friend group and other women by streets. When she's talking about her boyfriend, it's not about Jack as a person (his hobbies, personalities…), but as an object only comprised of genes(face, height, income, dick size).

And this isn't just something I've observed with only relationships, but also trivial matters like friendships and even family too, where it almost feels as if the whole concept of connection and such was built around you seeing the other party as an object or property, one way or another.

Which to me, would explain how so many friendships end quickly, but we'll get into it soon enough.


But what do these words mean? What does it mean to HAVE someone?

:feelsstudy:To Have- Definition:



:feelswhere:
a: to hold or maintain (something tangible or intangible) as a possession, privilege, entitlement, or responsibility
B
: to hold in one's use, service, regard, or at one's disposal
c
: to hold, include, or contain as a part or whole

a: to feel obligation in regard to
—usually used with an infinitive with to

a
: to acquire or get possession of : obtain
b
: to receive or be given (something)
a
: to be marked or characterized by (a quality, attribute, or faculty)
b
: exhibit, show
c
: use, exercise


To get-Definition:


:feelswhere:
a: to gain possession of
b
: to receive as a return : earn

a
: to obtain by concession or entreaty
b
: to become affected by (a disease or bodily condition)
a
: to seek out and obtain
b
: to obtain and bring where wanted or needed




Do you notice a pattern?

In most of these cases, the concept of getting, having and finding something is always tied to acquiring the object for you to possess. Pretty intriguing how verbs used to describe having, acquiring and obtaining possessions are used to talk about getting into a relationship, friendships or even when it comes to family relations. Even if I was born with my brain wired wrong, I've always found it odd how we used the same verb for describing owning non SENTIENT objects from animals, careers, cars, money, houses to other smaller possessions with connecting with real beings capable of self reflection and thought.


As you dive deep into it, you'll realize most relationships are somewhat, but not always, tied in some way with the concept of possession, of having something(someone). Whether it be a friend, your mom, your dad, your girlfriend, a dog, the concept stays the same. You always chase to “obtain” something, whether it be a job, a friend, a girlfriend or something else for one reason or another, as if it All of this leads to the conclusion that not just that women are objectified, not just by men, but also by themselves, all while also objectifying everything about their lives, from friends to even family.


I've decided to compile them into 3 main segments for you to observe. Family, friends and girlfriends. I'll start with the easy ones so we don't waste too much of our time on it.


Friends



When I was a kid, I never understood the concept of separation and falling out with my old friends as a fluke. I mean how come a guy I've known since I was in middle school just move on with me as if I never even existed? And the answer is simple. Most normies(not all but most), see the friendship as an investment from either side. As a form of an object for one another to obtain and use in one way or another. Take the example of this relation.


:incel: Incel and his friend who's either ltn or mtn. :soy:


:incel:---Incel, by “getting” a friend who's better looking ,assumes he'll not just receive validation, true friendship, but also somewhat a social status above the ladder for himself to climb, and maybe, but maybe, a chance for his friend to introduce him, one way or another, to his female friend.


:soy:----The MTN and ltn, “get” an incel friend as someone they could use to elevate their own status. Their existence is made so they could vent, waste their time with someone without being alone, and also elevate their status symbol but being the better, and usually, bigger looking one in the group, making him feel better about himself. To him, an incel isn't a person, but an object he could toy with to alter his game for a chance to raise his success in obtaining a mate or a higher social ladder.


Even amongst few genuine moments, both incel and normies are part of this investment for something to “gain” out of. This is why most normie friendships end abruptly after passing a girlfriend into his life. Because,you, as an object, have completed it's purpose and therefore, you serve no longer purpose in his life. Just as a child throws his old rusty childhood toy in a bin, so does the normie throw his childhood incel friend the second a girl shows up in his life. You've fulfilled your purpose as his “friend”, something he “had”. He “used” you and “took” advantage of you, just like a man would use something he obtained to get ahead in life. You are, not just to normies, but most incels too as an “investment” or an object that they could GET something out of, whether validation, praise, pity, sympathy or more.


This also applies to female friendships by 1000%, where all parties equally hate each other, but need to work together over a common goal or enemy(us). Behind their smiles and compliments, lies a backstabbing bunch of crabs, who would viciously bite and pull back any one of them who stepped out of line.


Moving on..


Family:



For families, this goes even deeper and beyond just some conventional manners. Your family MADE you. You are their creation,therefore also their property, somewhat…..


You've been created for one reason and it's reproduction, so when you fail, it's like seeing a lawnmower you've bought not cut grass properly or a code you've typed out not working in a way it's supposed to. Your failure is their failure, and their failure is your failure too, and that's something nobody wants to see.


Just like everyone who sees shitty code will blame the developer itself, so will parents get the blame when their “creation” fails to do it's only job. This is because they don't (not all but most) see you as an actual human being with a mind on its own, it's own feelings and hurts, but rather as a machine they've meticulously built for fulfilling it's task, and seeing it fail or get out performed is like seeing your toy robot at science fair get absolutely mogged by a humanoid Android made by some chinks from slums of Xiaigu.


The best way of this “failure” thing I could describe is the concept of sons “failing” their parents like their some kind of animals or dogs who haven't been trained well. You, the son, as in their dog or pet, is something they own, and seeing “it” fail is like seeing your dog crash out and shit all over the streets. I mean think about it.


Why did men back in the days choose daughters for their sons and vice versa?


Because they didn't see them as human beings truly on the same level as them. They saw them as property, as something to “own”, to fulfill it's purpose through whatever the father or mother deemed it needed for them to do.


If they thought you were a farmer, you'd be one. If you had a talent for music, you'd become one. To them, you were like an animal they've trained. The second they see one thing you're good at, they're going to push it, just as if they would've pushed that dog to become a hunting dog or one for livestock if it was good for it. And the “dysgenic” ones?


Put down, disowned, discarded like trash.

Reminds you of something?


And lastly..


The whole concept of disowning your own son/daughter comes from the word DIS+ OWN, as if you're some kind of tool or an object that they could drop like a child's toy and move on with it as if it never existed.
This is why parents( in my theory) favor better looking and more skilled siblings. Because they're what they see as a successful product. A working creation, doing everything as it was designed too.


Why do mothers get sad when their son ends up short? Why do they fear their son would turn short or ugly?


Because they see you as nothing more than a bunch of genes meant to be paired with the genes of the opposite sex. You're nothing but your stats. When moms talk about their sons, they often mention their height, looks, status and relationships first,before anything else. And if not, they'll try to cope by saying some neutral basic shit like

:foidSoy: "ooh he's so smart, he's so quiet, he's such a nice boy!!”


Just so they don't make it seem like their son is a failure.


Why do they keep gaslighting you if you're not ugly, if sex didn't matter and if there were more things to life than reproduction and socializing?


Because otherwise you've failed. You've failed as what you've been made to be. You've failed your goal as their tool, as their animal they've bred and as their creation. They telling you there's more to life than sex is like a silent admission of defeat knowing their own work has failed them. Just as they spend time cuddling and loving a deformed kitten/dog before it's death, so do some of them let you LDAR and NEET all life, because they know they've made a defect, a broken and useless tool, and the only thing they could do is sit back and watch as both you and them rot away knowing they've both failed them and themselves, alongside their ancestors.


And lastly…


Relationships



As much as women would love to screech against the supposed patriarchy and oppression, they both see behave and see themselves as objects for men to “obtain” and “use”.


If you as a woman aren't objectifying yourself ,then why do you keep calling yourself a “prize”? A prize is an object. Something to “obtain” and “possess”. You calling yourself a prize means you're reducing yourself to a role of an object for men to “chase” and “obtain”. This why when your parents, friends, family and others ask you, it's always among the lines of the:


:soy:“Why don't you GET a girlfriend?”


:soy:“Why don't you HAVE a girlfriend?”


Implying, she's something for you to take and treat as your personal property. Think of all various religions across the world and what do they all say about women? They all treat or somewhat demote them to a position of being a property to a man of the household, making her bound to his strength.


Even if women would like to deny that, I would kindly redirect them to my next point and that is Chad's rooster. If women didn't like being objectified or didn't base their relationships on being seen as these objects, being commanded and used by the higher and stronger males, then how come they willingly partake in another man's rooster as just another side chick,meaning they would rather be seen as an another number or object for a better looking man to abuse, than as an equal to the average man?


Here are so many more points:


When you get into a relationship, it's always


:soy::soy:“I GOT a girlfriend!!!'


When a man is flirting with your girl, you'd say:


:soy:“He's STEALING my girlfriend!!’


Implying, she's an object or property that someone besides you could “take” and “steal* if not cautious. I mean how come the word stealing be used for a relationship with a aforementioned person who's supposed to be on the same level as you?


You know what gets stolen?


Keys.A phone.A credit card.A car.Money.


So why would these stupid bitches, who want to be seen as these “equal” creatures to us, allude to having another man give her attention as her being stolen? What is she? A fucking purse that some guy could steal??


Alongside that, why do so many of them end up with abusive men?


If they value themselves as true and honest human beings and not just some punching bags who want to be used, then why wouldn't they just choose an average or slightly above average looking dude to treat her as an average person?


Imagine if you freed a black man from slavery, and he keeps running back to the cotton fields to pick cotton and get whipped, because it's fun to him.


That's literally their equivalent of running back to these abusive exes.


And lastly, if women didn't objectify themselves on their own volition, then how come they shame virgin men, such as incles, for not HAVING women? How come the most common argument against us he;


:foidSoy:Ha ha you don't GET pussy you incel!!”


:foidSoy:“Did you hear that? He never HAD a girlfriend??!!”


They're basically saying:


:foidSoy:“Oh well we're not a prize or an object for you to possess, but also you don't HAVE us haha!!”


As for bonus,the same applies for women and their obsession for the top men.


When you see women's requirements for men, it's never out of true love or attraction. If incels' search for love was like a starving child in Africa traveling across a country for a crumb of bread, a woman's search for a man is more of a shopping spree for the best looking outfit in the whole catalogue. To her, men are nothing but accessories for her to add on and flaunt around her fellow friends, showing her high status.


While incel is looking for a decent car to drive and use for reliability, a woman is scouting for the newest sports car to ride around so she could flex to other people around her. She doesn't care for the sports car. She doesn't know it's details, nor how it works nor what it's made out of. All that it means to her is that it looks good enough, gives a good output(big number=good) and that it's high status. Just like how she couldn't have given less of a shit about her bf as a true person, but more of a tag piece for her to flex around other bystanders, just as rich would taunt the poor and normies in his supercar and expensive clothes.


In short, normies have, and always will see most relationships as transactional, no matter what. From your friends, to sometim
es even your parents, you're nothing more than something to be used as or belong to something/someone for whatever reason it is, whether as a worker, a son, a jester, an emotional tampon, or a boyfriend. You're just something for someone to own.




Thanks for reading buddy boyos.:feelsYall:
 
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Truthnuke.

People's view of other depends on how much of a use they are to them.
 
Normies and especially foids are materialistic animals that only care about getting sex and maximizing money and resources. So boring!
 
Will read later
Im sad rn asf bc i dont have a cute sheboon cooking meals for me and sucking my cock
 
Read it all, good post.
 
Everyone participates in the commodification cycle besides me. This is why I was hesitant to teach tulpamancy to some of the users here.
 
Truthnuke.

People's view of other depends on how much of a use they are to them.
You summarised his 9.000 lines pretty accurately. It's all transactional. It's yet another reason why normiefags hate NDs because we are more fair and romantic and treat people as equals usually.
 

NORMIES THE CONCEPT OF OWNERSHIP: HOW EVERYTHING IS TRANSACTIONAL


Before we begin, take a look at these examples and see for yourself what's wrong with them.


I HAVE a girlfriend.

I GOT a friend

I HAVE a son

I HAVE a family

I WANT a girlfriend

I WANT a family

I WANT a friend

MY son.

MY girlfriend .

MY child.

MY best friend.

You Don't GET bitches

Why don't you HAVE a girlfriend?

HIS/HER'S/THEIRS son/daughter/kid

At the surface, there is nothing of note with these sentences. In fact, they appear as exceptionally normal,if not dull even. You hear it time and time again. It's as common as rain within the dusty gray clouds and as the illuminating golden rays of the morning and midday sun in which earth bathes in . You hear it everywhere. In schools, at colleges, at the bus stop, at home, at work,etc...

Everywhere you go, there will always be this conversation between people discussing THEIR loved ones, as if they're objects or possessions to gloat with. Whether it be sons, daughters, friends, family, girlfriends, boyfriends, I've always somewhat found it weird how people talk about them, as something they've obtained, as if they were a reward, a trophy, or a possession, rather than a human being with its own soul, mind and character.

During one of my reads from poster @Ryo_Hazuki and his misadventures of cold approaching, which was also somewhat of inspiration for this thread, I've found something interesting in particular:





There wasn't anything unusual about the behaviour itself. It's classical mate guarding, practiced by every animal in the Kingdom, but what caught my eyes was the wording of it. There was this possessive tone coming off, almost as if he were referring to her as an object.As if you've touched his favourite console or shirt. Why would he get mad at his obese woman talking to an ugly dude besides slight embarrassment?

He knew Ryo was not that guy.

He knew he could pound his skull to the pavement if he wanted too.

He knew he wasn't a true threat.

He saw him face to face and he knew he wasn't a player, yet he still felt rage within him.

As if you've tried touching his personal stuff and agitated him. As if it were his little brother who tried to pry his hands on his Xbox so he beat his ass.

I heard it a million times before, especially with guys who'd catch you staring at their girl. They'd always give you this stare, as if you've opened a pack of chips in your classroom as other kids stare at you, looking as if they're begging to ask you for a piece. That's how I feel they, and women themselves, see them as. As an object. A property of sorts, that can be stolen, passed or damaged if not taken with care.

You also see it with women and the way they mention their boyfriends

:foidSoy:“oh My boyfriend is blah blah blah…”

Almost as if he's an accessory for her to flaunt around her friend group and other women by streets. When she's talking about her boyfriend, it's not about Jack as a person (his hobbies, personalities…), but as an object only comprised of genes(face, height, income, dick size).

And this isn't just something I've observed with only relationships, but also trivial matters like friendships and even family too, where it almost feels as if the whole concept of connection and such was built around you seeing the other party as an object or property, one way or another.

Which to me, would explain how so many friendships end quickly, but we'll get into it soon enough.


But what do these words mean? What does it mean to HAVE someone?

:feelsstudy:To Have- Definition:






To get-Definition:







Do you notice a pattern?

In most of these cases, the concept of getting, having and finding something is always tied to acquiring the object for you to possess. Pretty intriguing how verbs used to describe having, acquiring and obtaining possessions are used to talk about getting into a relationship, friendships or even when it comes to family relations. Even if I was born with my brain wired wrong, I've always found it odd how we used the same verb for describing owning non SENTIENT objects from animals, careers, cars, money, houses to other smaller possessions with connecting with real beings capable of self reflection and thought.


As you dive deep into it, you'll realize most relationships are somewhat, but not always, tied in some way with the concept of possession, of having something(someone). Whether it be a friend, your mom, your dad, your girlfriend, a dog, the concept stays the same. You always chase to “obtain” something, whether it be a job, a friend, a girlfriend or something else for one reason or another, as if it All of this leads to the conclusion that not just that women are objectified, not just by men, but also by themselves, all while also objectifying everything about their lives, from friends to even family.


I've decided to compile them into 3 main segments for you to observe. Family, friends and girlfriends. I'll start with the easy ones so we don't waste too much of our time on it.


Friends



When I was a kid, I never understood the concept of separation and falling out with my old friends as a fluke. I mean how come a guy I've known since I was in middle school just move on with me as if I never even existed? And the answer is simple. Most normies(not all but most), see the friendship as an investment from either side. As a form of an object for one another to obtain and use in one way or another. Take the example of this relation.


:incel: Incel and his friend who's either ltn or mtn. :soy:


:incel:---Incel, by “getting” a friend who's better looking ,assumes he'll not just receive validation, true friendship, but also somewhat a social status above the ladder for himself to climb, and maybe, but maybe, a chance for his friend to introduce him, one way or another, to his female friend.


:soy:----The MTN and ltn, “get” an incel friend as someone they could use to elevate their own status. Their existence is made so they could vent, waste their time with someone without being alone, and also elevate their status symbol but being the better, and usually, bigger looking one in the group, making him feel better about himself. To him, an incel isn't a person, but an object he could toy with to alter his game for a chance to raise his success in obtaining a mate or a higher social ladder.


Even amongst few genuine moments, both incel and normies are part of this investment for something to “gain” out of. This is why most normie friendships end abruptly after passing a girlfriend into his life. Because,you, as an object, have completed it's purpose and therefore, you serve no longer purpose in his life. Just as a child throws his old rusty childhood toy in a bin, so does the normie throw his childhood incel friend the second a girl shows up in his life. You've fulfilled your purpose as his “friend”, something he “had”. He “used” you and “took” advantage of you, just like a man would use something he obtained to get ahead in life. You are, not just to normies, but most incels too as an “investment” or an object that they could GET something out of, whether validation, praise, pity, sympathy or more.


This also applies to female friendships by 1000%, where all parties equally hate each other, but need to work together over a common goal or enemy(us). Behind their smiles and compliments, lies a backstabbing bunch of crabs, who would viciously bite and pull back any one of them who stepped out of line.


Moving on..


Family:



For families, this goes even deeper and beyond just some conventional manners. Your family MADE you. You are their creation,therefore also their property, somewhat…..


You've been created for one reason and it's reproduction, so when you fail, it's like seeing a lawnmower you've bought not cut grass properly or a code you've typed out not working in a way it's supposed to. Your failure is their failure, and their failure is your failure too, and that's something nobody wants to see.


Just like everyone who sees shitty code will blame the developer itself, so will parents get the blame when their “creation” fails to do it's only job. This is because they don't (not all but most) see you as an actual human being with a mind on its own, it's own feelings and hurts, but rather as a machine they've meticulously built for fulfilling it's task, and seeing it fail or get out performed is like seeing your toy robot at science fair get absolutely mogged by a humanoid Android made by some chinks from slums of Xiaigu.


The best way of this “failure” thing I could describe is the concept of sons “failing” their parents like their some kind of animals or dogs who haven't been trained well. You, the son, as in their dog or pet, is something they own, and seeing “it” fail is like seeing your dog crash out and shit all over the streets. I mean think about it.


Why did men back in the days choose daughters for their sons and vice versa?


Because they didn't see them as human beings truly on the same level as them. They saw them as property, as something to “own”, to fulfill it's purpose through whatever the father or mother deemed it needed for them to do.


If they thought you were a farmer, you'd be one. If you had a talent for music, you'd become one. To them, you were like an animal they've trained. The second they see one thing you're good at, they're going to push it, just as if they would've pushed that dog to become a hunting dog or one for livestock if it was good for it. And the “dysgenic” ones?


Put down, disowned, discarded like trash.

Reminds you of something?


And lastly..


The whole concept of disowning your own son/daughter comes from the word DIS+ OWN, as if you're some kind of tool or an object that they could drop like a child's toy and move on with it as if it never existed.
This is why parents( in my theory) favor better looking and more skilled siblings. Because they're what they see as a successful product. A working creation, doing everything as it was designed too.


Why do mothers get sad when their son ends up short? Why do they fear their son would turn short or ugly?


Because they see you as nothing more than a bunch of genes meant to be paired with the genes of the opposite sex. You're nothing but your stats. When moms talk about their sons, they often mention their height, looks, status and relationships first,before anything else. And if not, they'll try to cope by saying some neutral basic shit like

:foidSoy: "ooh he's so smart, he's so quiet, he's such a nice boy!!”


Just so they don't make it seem like their son is a failure.


Why do they keep gaslighting you if you're not ugly, if sex didn't matter and if there were more things to life than reproduction and socializing?


Because otherwise you've failed. You've failed as what you've been made to be. You've failed your goal as their tool, as their animal they've bred and as their creation. They telling you there's more to life than sex is like a silent admission of defeat knowing their own work has failed them. Just as they spend time cuddling and loving a deformed kitten/dog before it's death, so do some of them let you LDAR and NEET all life, because they know they've made a defect, a broken and useless tool, and the only thing they could do is sit back and watch as both you and them rot away knowing they've both failed them and themselves, alongside their ancestors.


And lastly…


Relationships



As much as women would love to screech against the supposed patriarchy and oppression, they both see behave and see themselves as objects for men to “obtain” and “use”.


If you as a woman aren't objectifying yourself ,then why do you keep calling yourself a “prize”? A prize is an object. Something to “obtain” and “possess”. You calling yourself a prize means you're reducing yourself to a role of an object for men to “chase” and “obtain”. This why when your parents, friends, family and others ask you, it's always among the lines of the:


:soy:“Why don't you GET a girlfriend?”


:soy:“Why don't you HAVE a girlfriend?”


Implying, she's something for you to take and treat as your personal property. Think of all various religions across the world and what do they all say about women? They all treat or somewhat demote them to a position of being a property to a man of the household, making her bound to his strength.


Even if women would like to deny that, I would kindly redirect them to my next point and that is Chad's rooster. If women didn't like being objectified or didn't base their relationships on being seen as these objects, being commanded and used by the higher and stronger males, then how come they willingly partake in another man's rooster as just another side chick,meaning they would rather be seen as an another number or object for a better looking man to abuse, than as an equal to the average man?


Here are so many more points:


When you get into a relationship, it's always


:soy::soy:“I GOT a girlfriend!!!'


When a man is flirting with your girl, you'd say:


:soy:“He's STEALING my girlfriend!!’


Implying, she's an object or property that someone besides you could “take” and “steal* if not cautious. I mean how come the word stealing be used for a relationship with a aforementioned person who's supposed to be on the same level as you?


You know what gets stolen?


Keys.A phone.A credit card.A car.Money.


So why would these stupid bitches, who want to be seen as these “equal” creatures to us, allude to having another man give her attention as her being stolen? What is she? A fucking purse that some guy could steal??


Alongside that, why do so many of them end up with abusive men?


If they value themselves as true and honest human beings and not just some punching bags who want to be used, then why wouldn't they just choose an average or slightly above average looking dude to treat her as an average person?


Imagine if you freed a black man from slavery, and he keeps running back to the cotton fields to pick cotton and get whipped, because it's fun to him.


That's literally their equivalent of running back to these abusive exes.


And lastly, if women didn't objectify themselves on their own volition, then how come they shame virgin men, such as incles, for not HAVING women? How come the most common argument against us he;


:foidSoy:Ha ha you don't GET pussy you incel!!”


:foidSoy:“Did you hear that? He never HAD a girlfriend??!!”


They're basically saying:


:foidSoy:“Oh well we're not a prize or an object for you to possess, but also you don't HAVE us haha!!”


As for bonus,the same applies for women and their obsession for the top men.


When you see women's requirements for men, it's never out of true love or attraction. If incels' search for love was like a starving child in Africa traveling across a country for a crumb of bread, a woman's search for a man is more of a shopping spree for the best looking outfit in the whole catalogue. To her, men are nothing but accessories for her to add on and flaunt around her fellow friends, showing her high status.


While incel is looking for a decent car to drive and use for reliability, a woman is scouting for the newest sports car to ride around so she could flex to other people around her. She doesn't care for the sports car. She doesn't know it's details, nor how it works nor what it's made out of. All that it means to her is that it looks good enough, gives a good output(big number=good) and that it's high status. Just like how she couldn't have given less of a shit about her bf as a true person, but more of a tag piece for her to flex around other bystanders, just as rich would taunt the poor and normies in his supercar and expensive clothes.


In short, normies have, and always will see most relationships as transactional, no matter what. From your friends, to sometim
es even your parents, you're nothing more than something to be used as or belong to something/someone for whatever reason it is, whether as a worker, a son, a jester, an emotional tampon, or a boyfriend. You're just something for someone to own.




Thanks for reading buddy boyos.:feelsYall:
That's just how the English language is

For example, I would say "MY mom drove me there", but I don't think I own my mom.
Or I would say "I HAD a friend that really liked Borderlands", or "I HAVE a friend that can read lips", or "MY friend is working on his own robowaifu design", but I don't think I own any of them.
 
Even if I was born with my brain wired wrong, I've always found it odd how we used the same verb for describing owning non SENTIENT objects from animals, careers, cars, money, houses to other smaller possessions with connecting with real beings capable of self reflection and thought.
I'll partially refute your claim, using Japanese. (It's true for English and Neolatin languages and possibly others I'm not aware of though like Germanic ones)
That's why plain Japanese has two different stative verbs for inanimate and animate objects, ある and いる respectively, which can also be used to mean "to have" as in 「私は彼女がいる」 lit. "As for me, a girlfriend exists" => "I have a girlfriend" (closest approximation of meaning), but you wouldn't use this with inanimate objects eg. 「長い川がある」lit. "A long river exists" => "There's a long river". Curious enough, Japanese has a different verb altogether to describe "having a pet" which is 「飼う」 with the kanji 飼 representing the idea of "domesticating, rearing (an animal)".

Though, you'd still express the idea of "the girlfriend is mine" through an attributive (particularly genitive) construction as in 「私の彼女」lit. "The girlfriend which is of I" => "My girlfriend". But I feel like this is more a constraint of language in general, because how else would you describe the state of having a girlfriend if not with an attributive relationship (ie the girlfriend being an attribute of the logical subject), without sounding cumbersome?
"The girl who is in a relationship with me" yeah no, "My girlfriend" is shorter and implies that sentence anyways.
This is literally a thing that you can find throughout languages families and time (this is a very ambitious statement and I'd be happy to be proven wrong).


Whether it be a friend, your mom, your dad, your girlfriend, a dog, the concept stays the same. You always chase to “obtain” something, whether it be a job, a friend, a girlfriend or something else for one reason or another, as if it All of this leads to the conclusion that not just that women are objectified, not just by men, but also by themselves, all while also objectifying everything about their lives, from friends to even family.
See the thing is, since you put this on a linguistical plane, the grammatical object is merely an essential part of linguistics. When you say "I got" the semantics is "moving from one state of being to another". For instance, "I got sick", "I got promoted", "I got a dog" etc... it's not that you're objectifying the referents (ie sickness, promotion, dog) and considering them an object IN REALITY, you're doing so in the space of the sentence because that is how English has evolved to convey the message that "I evolved from a state of being of not having said thing, to a state of being of having it". It's all just mental gymnastics but us humans know all of this implicitly, linguistics just explains things explicitly.

Going back to japanese (weaboo ahh), consider these sentences (implied subject is I):

「病気になる」"I got sick"
「昇進した」"I got promoted"
「犬を飼いた」"I got a dog"

Three different verbs can be translated in English the same way. The first has the nuance "to become", the second "to do/occur", the third "to rear, domesticate".

So, how do you say "I got a friend/girlfriend" in Japanese?

「友達ができた」

I am not sure if anyone that is still reading could stomach a paragraph detailing the evolution of the verb 出来る・できる but I'll still write it out anyways.

Archaic Japanese (AJ) was very different from Contemporary Japanese (CJ).
The verb 出づ・いづ "To leave, come out, appear..." In its continuative form 出で, suffixed with the verb 来・く gave form to the verb 出で来・いでく "To come out(side), to appear, to arise". This verb then went through changes in different periods of time (loss of the initial い and overwriting of the predicative form づ with the attributive form でる for the verb 出づ, and the same overwriting happening to 来 leading to 来る・くる) and got to its final form, 出来る・できる.

This verb, meaning "To appear, materialize, come out (of thin air) was also reinterpreted to mean "to be able to do" and became the potential form of the verb 為る・する "to do, occur, feel with the 5 senses" because if a task of which the completion exists latently, is completed, then it is doable.

「友達ができた」"I made/got a friend"
「彼女ができた」"I got a girlfriend"
「子供が[できる・できた]」"I got pregnant/We had a baby"

You see what I mean? For relationships you use a verb that doesn't carry the meaning of "to get/possess/receive" (取る) or "to hold, own" (持つ)

「テストで悪い点を取った」"I got a bad score in a/the test" (receive)
「古い車を持つ」"I have an old car" (possession)

For instance you use できる when saying that "the dinner is ready" or that "a draft/novel/written work is ready", with an implication of materialization that the verb for "to make", 「作る」, doesn't have.

「小説ができた」"The novel is ready" (focus on end result)
「小説を作った」"I made the novel" (focus on action)

In the same fashion,

「晩御飯ができた」"Dinner is ready"
「晩御飯を作った」"I made dinner"

You can use 作る in a sentence describing the act of making a friend, but it sounds like you have prepared a scheme, like you forced the whole process.

「友達を作った」"I made a friend"

Note how the sentence uses the object particle を so "friend" here, is actually a logical object, whilst in the sentence above the particle was the subjective particle が so the "friend" over there is actually a logical subject. Indeed, 作る is transitive whilst できる is intransitive, concurring to the meaning.


Even amongst few genuine moments, both incel and normies are part of this investment for something to “gain” out of. This is why most normie friendships end abruptly after passing a girlfriend into his life. Because,you, as an object, have completed it's purpose and therefore, you serve no longer purpose in his life. Just as a child throws his old rusty childhood toy in a bin, so does the normie throw his childhood incel friend the second a girl shows up in his life. You've fulfilled your purpose as his “friend”, something he “had”. He “used” you and “took” advantage of you, just like a man would use something he obtained to get ahead in life. You are, not just to normies, but most incels too as an “investment” or an object that they could GET something out of, whether validation, praise, pity, sympathy or more.
I've experienced this way too many times atp :feelsrope:

The whole concept of disowning your own son/daughter comes from the word DIS+ OWN, as if you're some kind of tool or an object that they could drop like a child's toy and move on with it as if it never existed.
That's true however in languages s.a. Italian, you'd say "Diseredare" (to take off one's will) or "Disconoscere" (to disown, but properly it derives from Latin "cognosco", "to know (of a person)" so basically you're saying you don't know the person anymore, used only with family members since it refers to the state procedure.)

Japanese has a word, 「不孝」"lack of filial piety, crime of cursing one's parents" that had an Archaic connotation of "To disown". Nowadays tho, you'd use the euphemism 「縁を切る」"To cut ties".


When a man is flirting with your girl, you'd say:


:soy:“He's STEALING my girlfriend!!’


Implying, she's an object or property that someone besides you could “take” and “steal* if not cautious. I mean how come the word stealing be used for a relationship with a aforementioned person who's supposed to be on the same level as you?


You know what gets stolen?


Keys.A phone.A credit card.A car.Money.
Japanese do be the same here.

「彼女を奪う」"To steal (another's) girlfriend"
「彼女を取る」"To take (another's) girlfriend"
「寝取る」lit. "Taking while sleeping" => "cuckolding"


:foidSoy:“Oh well we're not a prize or an object for you to possess, but also you don't HAVE us haha!!”
TFD


Good high IQ thread man, definitely a breath of fresh air, but beware that it may not be (and in fact it isn't) necessarily a cross-linguistical occurrence, but, in my opinion, a lack of better terms in the language. Imagine telling your friends that "Ah yeah, a girlfriend materialized yesterday" like JFL.
 
That's just the fundamentals of language, but who's to say that you're not right about the people you mention?
 
Will read later
Im sad rn asf bc i dont have a cute sheboon cooking meals for me and sucking my cock
so u admit u like black women... interesting
 
Sex is always transactional in some way for everyone but the top 10% of men
 

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