Blackpill Dont believe the lies about jacked guys and "genetics"

[mike mentzer]

Think the before picture is just a chad with great genetics? Think again. Thats what a gym rat looks like after 2 years of following steroid forum "guru" advice. Multiple cycles of stuff people consider extreme but is actually the low end of drug use (think 900mg/week total of just steroids) The after picture is when he gets let in the "inner circle" of bbers and they tell him the dosages they REALLY use, and all the OTHER DRUGS they use.

the after is 4-6 years of 5000mg (or more, in some cases) testosterone EVER WEEK, along with another 1-2 grams of various injectables and orals, plus 50+ ius of growth hormone every week, along with 10-20ius of INSULIN every day.

I keep hammering this point home because the fitness industry is full of liars and a thick, utterly dense web of bullshit and deception they've weaved. It starts off with denial of anything at all, and then when the suckers find out that drug use is prevalent, then they switch to obfuscation, downplaying and omittance - "oh just 200mg of nandrolone every 14 days!" "oh i just use steroids to retain my muscle mass when im cutting!" "sure we use drugs, but the guys you see in the gym who look nothing like us use way more!"

So why doesnt every gym rat just do this?
1. most continue to be in denial even in 2018 as to just how much drugs pros, including fitness models, take.
2. more importantly, it is RIDICULOUSLY EXPENSIVE to fund this lifestyle. There is a reason they are always pushing you to buy their shitty products, there is a reason the industry is full of gay 4 pay rumors, there is a reason so many bodybuilders start their own steroid "lab" and theres a reason so many of them have criminal connections, its because no normal person can fund this lifestyle on a normal wagecuck job. Its impossible, thats why they do criminal stuff, scam stuff, or fuck fags up the ass (as one infamous 4chan gay4pay trip put it "im not gay, i just get paid to fuck little fags like you")
3. a lot of gymcels are actually pathetically lazy and after an initial 6 months of fascination with their newfound worldview and steroid use, they get good gains, but then fall off the wagon and start doing stuff like injecting just to keep what theyve gained while going to the gym like once every 3 weeks. As much shit as i am throwing at fitness models and bbers here, it still takes YEARS of consistency to build this kind of physique. It would still be a respectable achievement if they werent such vicious liars, all of them.

Inevitably someone will bring up Bostin Loyd. "he took ALLL the drugs and he failed, didnt he??". Bostin's problem was he was on the right track, but he was trying to RUSH the process. He was trying to do in 2 years what takes these guys the better part of a decade to do. As i explained elsewhere clarifying the difference between lean body mass and actual muscle tissue, even though steroids dramatically speed up protein synthesis and raise the ceiling on what is possible, it still takes a lot of time for protein accrual, and also, bostin was wasting his time with the shit THESE guys sell to suckers to fund their real drugs. Nobody who is in the inner circle uses that crap, they all use REAL HGH, not sugar water GHRPs from china.

 

[VileGeneticTrash]

Back to the misc with this gymcel shit. I couldnt read that undiluted autism, but muscle gain is 100% genetic. OP confirming my long held view that gymcels have a few screws loose.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Deeply unsettling. All you see online are those steroidpics as well. What would you say is a realistic gain per month without roiding, 1 to 2 lbs? Could you post some examples for realistic one year gains from zero? Initially I posted some pics but they seemed to be fake as well.

 

[DeadWithin]

you don't know what you're talking about, you fcking idîot.

I'm 100% sure you have never lifted a single weight in your entire life, you skinny-fat framecel sub-human.

kill yourself, fâggot.

 

[acnescarcel]

bunch of faggoats on this forum obsessed with muscular men. working out is for fags that like to flex in the mirror and direct other fags to the beach with their muscles.

 

[Barry]

so real talk let's say someone wanted to do the absolute minimum work, get that skinny/lean look and wasn't afraid to use steroids, what would one use?

what's the minimum sort of dosages to be lean with a small amount of muscle?

and could you do steroid cycles to get yourself up and then maintain it? I've heard that once you're on steroids, you really have to stay on for life and that doesn't appeal to me

 

[itneverbegun]

You're never gonna use your dick anyways, might as well juice until your balls shrivel and you grow men tits

 

[VileGeneticTrash]

Cope, chads get fucking huge naturally, youre just a genetic subhuman so of course your mind cant process this and have to invent coping mechanisms so your reality isnt shattered

 

[DeadWithin]

Cope, chads get fucking huge naturally, youre just a genetic subhuman so of course your mind cant process this and have to invent coping mechanisms so your reality isnt shattered

this.

the OP is coping hard with his bullshit, so he doesn't end up committing suicide because of his utter sub-humanity.

 

[Unwanted]

So you're saying I need to wait 6 fucking years in order to look like that? No thanks.

 

[EyesAreSoCold]

Back to the misc with this gymcel shit. I couldnt read that undiluted autism, but muscle gain is 100% genetic. OP confirming my long held view that gymcels have a few screws loose.

Muscle gain is definitely not 100% genetic, skeletal frame and insertions are though.

 

[mike mentzer]

this.

the OP is coping hard with his bullshit, so he doesn't end up committing suicide because of his utter sub-humanity.

your welcome to register on gh15.org and you can see first hand the drug cycles of these "chads" you dream about getting fucked by with their "natty" genetics

oh look! a fitness model!:

and on the very same thread talking openly about using trenbolone, testosterone, masteron, GH, insulin

stay clueless fuckwit

 

[DeadWithin]

your welcome to register on gh15.org and you can see first hand the drug cycles of these "chads" you dream about getting fucked by with their "natty" genetics

oh look! a fitness model!:
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and on the very same thread talking openly about using trenbolone, testosterone, masteron, GH, insulin

stay clueless fuckwit

end your useless life, you sub-human filth.

you just look more and more stupid every time you post, you low IQ queer.

 

[mike mentzer]

fucking LOL at the fake chad worship on this site

yeah yeah they've ALL got great genetics sure, sure. Its totally a coincidence that huge dudes only started appearing after the invention of synthetic testosterone and derivatives. It is further coincidental that there was a massive size increase from pro bodybuilders of the 70s after human growth hormone and insulin came into use in the 80s.

oh i know, their genetics just got better!

 

[PeruvianGuy]

Just gymcel , eat healthy and get good sleep. What other option you have even if you dont up as Chad and getting pussy? Oh yeah LDAR and lazymaxxing.


Seems like some olympic Tier mental gymnastics to cope and excuse the fact that you're just lazycel

 

[mike mentzer]

oh look another guy with great "genetics"...

running 2 grams of trenbolone per week, testosterone, halo, insulin, GH

heres a fat guy:

heres the same guys after his drug regime:

just "genetics" bro.

and I'm the one engaging in mental gymnastics? you guys are priceless. You so desperately want to believe the reason you're not jacked is because you dont have genetics that 99% of these fuckers dont have either. Once again, how is it possible that there is zero historical evidence of anyone being this jacked before the invention of anabolic steroids? Or are you so scientifically illiterate that you actually dont understand how genetics works and thinks this shit changes like the wind blowing?

 

[DeadWithin]

dude, just delete this thread already. you little sub-human gay boi.

you're just emberrassing yourself more and more.

kill yourself.

 

[masterwizard]

You may be an August cel but I enjoy your high IQ postings about this stuff, you obviously seem to know a lot about it. It makes me feel better about being so scrawny (relatively speaking).

 

[mike mentzer]

A french weightlifter , gold medal Olympian in 1920, the elite of the elite:

absolutely dwarfed in size and condition by some random instragram fitness model in 2018. Just "genetics" bro.

the grandaddy of bodybuilding, who's namesake titles one of the most prestigious awards in bbing today:

dwarfed by Zyzz, known and self admitted steroid user. Just genetics too i guess.

 

[mike mentzer]

so real talk let's say someone wanted to do the absolute minimum work, get that skinny/lean look and wasn't afraid to use steroids, what would one use?

what's the minimum sort of dosages to be lean with a small amount of muscle?

and could you do steroid cycles to get yourself up and then maintain it? I've heard that once you're on steroids, you really have to stay on for life and that doesn't appeal to me

you would need to define what you mean by the "look" first. Being lean is more about caloric restriction than about steroids, although steroids help the process greatly.

lean with a small amount of muscle: 500mg/week of just about anything. testosterone is the popular choice these days, but if you want to avoid going bald and having acne all over your back, nandrolone is a better choice.

and yes steroid use is pretty much for life. You will ALWAYS lose some size coming off steroids because as ive explained elsewhere maybe as much as 50% of steroid weight gain is fluid - potassium, sodium and glycogen storage in the muscle. And even if you maintain most of your gains, you will never look as impressive off cycle as you do on cycle. Most guys never stop. Advanced guys dont even take breaks, constant year round high dose usage the doses of various drugs scaling up or down depending on what they're trying to do (for example if they're going for a show or photoshoot they will drop the dosages of growth, testosterone and insulin to drop the excess water weight and come in shredded)

 

[Barry]

you would need to define what you mean by the "look" first. Being lean is more about caloric restriction than about steroids, although steroids help the process greatly.

lean with a small amount of muscle: 500mg/week of just about anything. testosterone is the popular choice these days, but if you want to avoid going bald and having acne all over your back, nandrolone is a better choice.

and yes steroid use is pretty much for life. You will ALWAYS lose some size coming off steroids because as ive explained elsewhere maybe as much as 50% of steroid weight gain is fluid - potassium, sodium and glycogen storage in the muscle. And even if you maintain most of your gains, you will never look as impressive off cycle as you do on cycle. Most guys never stop. Advanced guys dont even take breaks, constant year round high dose usage the doses of various drugs scaling up or down depending on what they're trying to do (for example if they're going for a show or photoshoot they will drop the dosages of growth, testosterone and insulin to drop the excess water weight and come in shredded)

thanks for the actual serious answer.

When I talk about the look, I'm talking generic instagram/crossfit fitness. I'm naturally incredibly lean (sub 140lbs at 5'10) so my end goal has always been something like the "myspace ripped kid" look from back in the day.

I can probably get that naturally, but can't imagine I'll ever have the genetics for putting on any real mass naturally

 

[mike mentzer]

phwoar look at these genetics! never mind the bottles of trenbolone he was self admittedly fond of, its the genetics!

too bad the genetics didnt extend to his hair follicles, in which he shows signs of MPB just before he died. Luckily he died before this progressed noticeably, otherwise in 2018 he'd have to run hat game like fellow steroid abuser and instagram darling bradley martyn. The fate of most testosterone users:

speak of the devil, lets check out the great genes on brad!:

fuck bro! you can totally tell he was destined for this!

"chad" genes make good faces, not bodies that didn't exist before a german chemist isolated and synthesized testosterone. Humans do not have good genes for building muscle, because our ancestral environment for thousands of years was one of high activity + unreliable food sources, we didnt survive by being stronger or faster than every other species, we thrived by being smarter than them and having more endurance than them, hence the excellent selection towards endurance adaptations (humans are the most exceptionally durable species on the planet, not a single animal alive can run further than a human before being keeling over from exhaustion) and bigger brains.

On the contrary, just about every predator out there absolutely dwarfs even our most accomplished weight lifters in strength and muscle mass. A a TIGER is an animal that has excellent genes for muscle building, and this is obvious because just about every tiger ever born will express literally massive muscle mass, and they spend 90% of their time lounging around conserving energy for ambush hunting. A bengal tiger can weight up to 235kg (518lbs) with something like 70% of that weight being muscle.

A human? Again, where are all the massive humans before the advent of synthetic steroids? The biggest bodybuilders in the world today barely crack 136kg (300lbs) in the OFF SEASON where they are carrying heaps of water and fat. We, as a species, are abject weaklings in comparison to animals that actually have the genes to express extreme muscle mass.

I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears of the scientifically illiterate however, and their retarded fantasies about the demigod named chad. To reiterate: chad genes make handsome faces, big cocks, and tall skeletons, not gigantic muscles. These guys are literally using some of the same drugs the cattle industry uses to dramatically increase their yield of saleable meat, and hilariously, in larger doses than you would use on cattle. So much for muh genes.

 

[Ap0calypse]

Is this bodybuilding.com?

 

[Figthcel]

Makes me feel like a retard for going to the gym and taking normal protein.

 

[mike mentzer]

Makes me feel like a retard for going to the gym and taking normal protein.

you're not a retard, you just fell for the same scam most people fall for. I actually thought it was almost common knowledge in 2018 just how much drug abuse goes on in athletics and the fitness industry, but some of the responses in this thread clearly indicate a lot of people are still in the dark.

 

[Cleftcel]

Is this bodybuilding.com?

Makes me feel like a retard for going to the gym and taking normal protein.

 

[Darthmat]

you're not a retard, you just fell for the same scam most people fall for. I actually thought it was almost common knowledge in 2018 just how much drug abuse goes on in athletics and the fitness industry, but some of the responses in this thread clearly indicate a lot of people are still in the dark.

Very educational and interesting thanks Mike.

 

[Dry Spell]

Makes me feel like a retard for going to the gym and taking normal protein.

Not a retard.

Just wasting time

 

[Deleted member 1060]

I know an Iraqi gymrat who became runner up at one of the state wide bodybuilding competitions. He works as a dish washer at a restaurant. I am kinda assume that he is also a roidcel. But if that life style is so expensive how the fuck he afford that with a freaking dishwashing job?

 

[Deleted member 2798]

@mike mentzer has made a great thread here.

"Chad looks like that naturally gud gene come in package"

is right up there with

"Chad is high IQ gud gene come in package"

and

"Chad is very talented gud gene come in package"

in terms of blindingly and abrasively gay Chad worship. You have plenty of people worshipping Chad for you outside of this forum, you can take a break. They're watching your shift.

 

[mike mentzer]

I know an Iraqi gymrat who became runner up at one of the state wide bodybuilding competitions. He works as a dish washer at a restaurant. I am kinda assume that he is also a roidcel. But if that life style is so expensive how the fuck he afford that with a freaking dishwashing job?

its mostly affordable until GH use gets involved. Thats the real bank account killer, and as i explained before, a lot of them are either doing gay or criminal shit on the side. You can still get jacked on roids alone (just see guys from the 1970s, like my namesake) The reason theres soooooooo fucking many "undergound labs" is because most of these guys will need to start selling drugs to buy drugs for themselves. You would also be surprised how many of these drug addicts will literally ruin their lives pursuing bbing. "drug addict" is not a term i am throwing around lightly, we're talking about guys who would rather buy another vial than be on time for their rent. Whether its actual dependence or just psychological, thats up for debate.

in the arab states, a lot of them have "sponsors" in the form of rich oil guys who love "bodybuilding" and i hope i dont have to get explicit there. They're called "schmoes" in the lingo.

 

[Deleted member 1060]

its mostly affordable until GH use gets involved. Thats the real bank account killer, and as i explained before, a lot of them are either doing gay or criminal shit on the side. You can still get jacked on roids alone (just see guys from the 1970s, like my namesake) The reason theres soooooooo fucking many "undergound labs" is because most of these guys will need to start selling drugs to buy drugs for themselves. You would also be surprised how many of these drug addicts will literally ruin their lives pursuing bbing. "drug addict" is not a term i am throwing around lightly, we're talking about guys who would rather buy another vial than be on time for their rent. Whether its actual dependence or just psychological, thats up for debate.

in the arab states, a lot of them have "sponsors" in the form of rich oil guys who love "bodybuilding" and i hope i dont have to get explicit there. They're called "schmoes" in the lingo.

Holy fucking shit, that guy sometimes hang out with shady people, may be he is also buying roids from the blackmarket. Do they get addicted or some shit? Or may be their muscular system becomes so dependent on it, they won't be able to even walk without roids.

 

[mike mentzer]

Holy fucking shit, that guy sometimes hang out with shady people, may be he is also buying roids from the blackmarket. Do they get addicted or some shit? Or may be their muscular system becomes so dependent on it, they won't be able to even walk without roids.

buying or selling, most of them do both. I should probably clarify for people who arent familiar with this world here, that starting a "underground steroid lab" is trivially easy. They simply order the drugs in their raw form from china (WADA estimates 99% of black market steroids today are sourced from china) and then (in the case of steroids) they simply add it to a vial with some benzyl alcohol, some solvent and sterile oil, heat it up in the oven until its dissolved fully and then cap it (or cook it in large batches and then add the finished oil to vials) and voila you have a vial of steroids ready for use. Theres even kits online to make the capping and labelling of vials even easier and more professional looking. Get a nerd you know to make up some labels and packaging for your new "lab" and soon enough you are selling a very professional looking product. Very little startup costs. 100% of everything needed can be bought from the internet.

as far as addiction, researchers are divided on it. They have a hard time calling it "dependence" because our current conception of dependence comes from alcohol and opiate dependence, of which stopping cold turkey can literally kill you, and stopping steroids cold turkey wont kill you at all. It does however have all the other hallmarks of addictive behaviour, and it even has "withdrawal" like symptoms when you stop cold turkey that make users want to get back on in a matter of weeks, like muscle loss, fat gain and depression.

 

[AR15]

Eat clen, tren hard. Natural lifting isn't worth it tbh.

 

[Figthcel]

That sounds almost like videogame addiction. Being addicted to the dopamine reward from making progress - leveling up, achieving stuff. Like a MMORPG.

 

[th62eathhts2]

Once again, how is it possible that there is zero historical evidence of anyone being this jacked before the invention of anabolic steroids

your right that everyone is juicing though.