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Discussion Does the incel community fit the definition of a cult?

sub8male

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I'm bringing this up because I've been seeing this crap thrown around a lot, and as someone who actually grew up in an organization that by many is considered a cult I find it rather obnoxious. I'm going to go through it based on the BITE model, which is one of the better recognized definitions of cult behavior (without a definition it just becomes a meaningless subjective label after all).

So one by one lets go through the criteria, I'll try to keep it as short as possible so people don't doze off reading it.

Behavioral control

Promote dependence and obedience
Considering a fragmented online community has little way of doing this, I'd say no to this one

Modify behavior with rewards and punishments
The incel community in general is quite the opposite, freely admitting it has no real answers to peoples woes and there is no expectation of behavioural modification on its behalf anywhere.

Dictate where and with whom you live
Obviously not, no one in the community is dictating anything like this

Restrict or control sexuality
Do I even need to answer this one?

Control clothing and hairstyle
Clearly not, in fact redditors seem to be more inclined to do this than anyone in the incel community

Regulate what and how much you eat and drink
Again no one in the incel community is having this controlled for them

Deprive you of seven to nine hours of sleep
@Insomniac

Exploit you financially
No one is forcing incels to give money to anyone, so again doesn't fit

Restrict leisure time and activities
Yet again, no

Require you to seek permission for major decisions
Nope, not sure how we'd even manage to do this

Information control

Deliberately withhold and distort information
Considering people here regularly look at places that oppose us, like on reddit and post it themselves, clearly not the first part. Incel opponents would probably try to argue the second part but I'd say we can just as easily suggest the same of them. Incels tend to post a lot of scientific articles and perform experiments to test our ideas, while our opponents usually just spout platitudes and insult incel ideas without really refuting them

Forbid you from speaking with ex-members and critics
Many incels speak to critics of the community freely, and even engage them on podcasts and such, so not really. No one here is going to stop anyone from doing so

Discourage access to non-cult sources of information
This one they could probably try to argue, although since most information on incel matters tends to come from areas outside the community I'd say it'd be hard to argue we're any worse than leftwing groups who will shut you down if you site rightwing newspapers or think tanks. In fact incels tend to actively look at these opposing sources and try to refute them rather than hiding from them in my general experience.

Divide information into Insider vs. Outsider doctrine
This I also guess could potentially be argued based on the whole bluepill vs blackpill thing, but I'd say that by and large opponents of the community do much the same way, refusing to acknowledge anything from sources they believe to be incel sources, so if this makes us a cult it also just as equally makes them a cult.

Generate and use propaganda extensively
Possibly, but again I'd say no more so than any other political group out there.

Use information gained in confession sessions against you
Obviously not, dunno how we'd manage that

Gaslight to make you doubt your own memory
This one actually fits our opponents more than it does our members. They're often the ones telling incels that their own personal experiences didn't happen, or that they were in some way mistaken. So this one actually applies more to them than us.

Require you to report thoughts, feelings, & activities to superiors
Nope, we don't compel anyone to do anything here.

Encourage you to spy and report on others’ “misconduct”
Only in terms of moderation matter, no different from any other website.

Thought control

Instill Black vs. White, Us vs. Them, & Good vs. Evil thinking
Could be argued, but again I'd say no more so than most left wing communities that have much the same attitude towards us.

Change your identity, possibly even your name
Obviously not, how could we?

Use loaded language and cliches to stop complex thought
Guess this depends on what you consider loaded language and cliches? I personally wouldn't say it's particularly prevelant.

Induce hypnotic or trance states to indoctrinate

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Teach thought-stopping techniques to prevent critical thoughts
Not sure I would say anything in the community could be considered such

Allow only positive thoughts
This probably applies more to our opponents than us, considering they're the ones usually trying to shame anyone who had negative feelings or thoughts and convince them this makes them mentally ill.

Use excessive meditation, singing, prayer, & chanting to block thoughts
Nope

Reject rational analysis, critical thinking, & doubt
Could potentially be argued with us banning bluepill ideas, but again our opponents do much the same in banning our ideas from their platforms, so I'd say we're no worse than them ultimately.

Emotional control

Instill irrational fears (phobias) of questioning or leaving the group
You're all free to leave whenever you want honestly, no one here's making anyone stay

Label some emotions as evil, worldly, sinful, or wrong
This again applies more to our opponents than us, who try to imply we're wrong for being sad about the way our lives are, or angry about the way we're treated by others.

Teach emotion-stopping techniques to prevent anger, homesickness
Again applies more to them than us, particularly with them prescribing therapy for literally anything they disagree with.

Promote feelings of guilt, shame, & unworthiness
Not something we promote, more something people here feel due to the way they're treated by those around them.

Shower you with praise and attention (“love bombing”)
Actually somewhat applies to our opponents, who'll go out of their way to tell "ex-incels" how wonderful they are for going over to their side, but then turning on them if they step out of line in any way.

Threaten your friends and family
Applies more to their attempts to doxx us than the other way around.

Shun you if you disobey or disbelieve
Suppose kind of, but certainly no more so than our opponents do to those who disagree with them.

Teach that there is no happiness or peace outside the group
I'd say we more imply there's no happiness of peace anywhere.

For reference: https://freedomofmind.com/bite-model/

So overall I'd say we don't really fit the cult model at all, at least no more than the groups who actively oppose the incel community do, in fact they probably fit the model better than us when you go through it all and compare the attitude of most incel communities with the communities of ideologies such as feminism, socialism and other social justice movements.

Sorry for the long post, but I thought it was a somewhat interesting topic personally and worth going through considering how often this accusation gets thrown around.
 
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JFL this post is stolen from mental_out tbh
 
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The main reason people say we are a cult is because of some guys who write a depressing post and cels in the comments are (ironically or unironically) egging him to sui or go ER.

Thing is, if you actually do the above based solely on what avatars on an internet forum tell you then you are retarded and would have screwed your life up given enough time. The choice to sui or go ER once obtaining blackpill knowledge is a purely individual decision.
 
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incel community does not mean shit. all of the fuckers here are would betray their brocels for a pussy
 
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You really wanna know huh:dafuckfeels:

Alright it’s something @Idotms would always spam.

@mental_out is a manky tranny faggot and eats shit
He is angry because he will never be a woman
and he is getting cucked by curries in England

kill yourself @mental_out
ah I remember people mentioning all that in the discord
 
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The main reason people say we are a cult is because of some guys who write a depressing post and cels in the comments are (ironically or unironically) egging him to sui or go ER.

Thing is, if you actually do the above based solely on what avatars on an internet forum tell you then you are retarded and would have screwed your life up given enough time. The choice to sui or go ER once obtaining blackpill knowledge is a purely individual decision.
No one from this forum has ever gone ER anyway, so it's irrelevant to say that this forum causes violence. If anything it does the opposite; prevent it.
 
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Who gives a fuck if it is or isnt
This is a cuck debate
 
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They literary interpret that we worship ER at the altar or organize seances in our basements.
 
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You really wanna know huh:dafuckfeels:

Alright it’s something @Idotms would always spam.

@mental_out is a manky tranny faggot and eats shit
He is angry because he will never be a woman
and he is getting cucked by curries in England

kill yourself @mental_out
 
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incel community does not mean shit. all of the fuckers here are would betray their brocels for a pussy
This is probably the most depressing part of the Blackpill. There's no such thing as brotherhood. Only sisterhood (for women) :blackpill::blackpill::blackpill::blackpill:
 
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This is probably the most depressing part of the Blackpill. There's no such thing as brotherhood. Only sisterhood (for women) :blackpill::blackpill::blackpill::blackpill:
I can say now that I wouldn't. I truly hate foids and see them as the vampires they are, who only like men for their ubermensch looks or their resources. It's brutally over when you are a volcel truecel at the same time coz even a stacy I would tell her to fuck off if she loved me which isnt even possible :dafuckfeels:
 
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I can say now that I wouldn't. I truly hate foids and see them as the vampires they are, who only like men for their ubermensch looks or their resources. It's brutally over when you are a volcel truecel at the same time coz even a stacy I would tell her to fuck off if she loved me which isnt even possible :dafuckfeels:
You Sir, are way past the Blackpill. You've reached the stage of Hiroshima Nagasaki pill. A stage I haven't reached:feelscry:. You should be proud of yourself for seeing the world in a more realistic way than most people on this forum :feelsthink:
 
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You Sir, are way past the Blackpill. You've reached the stage of Hiroshima Nagasaki pill. A stage I haven't reached:feelscry:. You should be proud of yourself for seeing the world in a more realistic way than most people on this forum :feelsthink:
:dafuckfeels: Hiroshima Nagasaki pill is what Saint Hamudi (pbuh) preached before his untimely disappearance
 
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:dafuckfeels: Hiroshima Nagasaki pill is what Saint Hamudi (pbuh) preached before his untimely disappearance
Saint Hamudi has a special part in my heart. He was the man who I learned the blackpill from. :blackpill::feelscry:
 
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We not a cult, we’s jus a group of friends
 
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"Discourage access to non-cult sources of information"
This is what my mom tries to do when it comes sites like this. She tells me that if I want to be happy ever; I need to stop going to sites like this, but I won't listen.
I keep trying to tell her that I keep ending up back on this kind of site because the core problem hasn't been fixed, and I'm not gonna fix my problems just by ignoring them; but she herself doesn't seem to care.
 

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