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When you ask someone what morality means they'll say "what is right and wrong." So therefore if a 3rd grader says that 4 x 5 = 9, when it's actually 20, it's immoral? Of course not, they mean what is morally right and morally wrong. Morality=what is morally right and morally wrong. But that's using the root word "moral" to define morality. Doesn't make sense.

So anyone else care to try to explain morality? It seems like a bunch of made up crap to me.
 
Only cute adorable loli waifu of culture has morality
 
By this logic we shouldn't be worried about women getting abortions.
 
By this logic we shouldn't be worried about women getting abortions.

Wrong. Legality and morality are two different things, at least that's what the moralfags say
 
Wrong. Legality and morality are two different things, at least that's what the moralfags say

It has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with whether killing a fetus is a moral or immoral thing
 
It's a social construct.
 
What makes a psychopath? If you steal a TV from a best buy are you a psychopath?

A psychopath and a criminal aren't inherently the same thing, they just tend to cross paths between eachother.

The main purpose behind the psychopath mentality is the fact that they lack empathy for other human beings.
 
A psychopath and a criminal aren't inherently the same thing, they just tend to cross paths between eachother.

The main purpose behind the psychopath mentality is the fact that they lack empathy for other human beings.

So is stealing a TV immoral?
 
It depends on the context.

Give me some contextual examples of the TV stealing.

What about premarital sex? If a woman sleeps around is that immoral?
 
Give me some contextual examples of the TV stealing.

A Tornado hits a town, everyone starts running to the nearest safe spot, will anyone care if he steals it?.

This wouldn't apply though if it were a normal setting though, since it would only cause you to become a criminal.

What about premarital sex? If a woman sleeps around is that immoral?

I don't care about premarital sex because I'm incel, but I also don't like whores either.
 
This wouldn't apply though if it were a normal setting though, since it would only cause you to become a criminal.

Thought you said criminal and psychopath are different
 
Morality is whether or not an action is good or not
 
They are, being a criminal doesn't make you psychopath.

Exactly, and you stated morality has to do with whether or not you're a psychopath


Morality is whether or not an action is good or not

If I cheat on my taxes and save money, that's good for me right, because I saved money. therefore cheating on taxes is moral?
 
Exactly, and you stated morality has to do with whether or not you're a psychopath




If I cheat on my taxes and save money, that's good for me right, because I saved money. therefore cheating on taxes is moral?
Taxes are invented by humans so let's say you steal something instead . You are hurting someone else so your act is morally evil
 
Exactly, and you stated morality has to do with whether or not you're a psychopath




If I cheat on my taxes and save money, that's good for me right, because I saved money. therefore cheating on taxes is moral?

Morality isnt black and white. You arent going to find a clear cut answer to it. Its subjective. Morals are whatever you personally believe.
 
What's you're point



How is going into debt a moral thing?

1. My point is you don't seem to be defining morality clearly. There are many actions people would call "immoral" that don't make you a psychopath.

2. Paying your taxes doesn't necessarily mean you'll go into debt, perhaps you're cheating on them for greedy reasons
Taxes are invented by humans so let's say you steal something instead . You are hurting someone else so your act is morally evil

What about premarital sex? If a woman sleeps around is that immoral?
Morality isnt black and white. You arent going to find a clear cut answer to it. Its subjective. Morals are whatever you personally believe.

sounds like something made up then
 
moral statements are more so meant to be expressions, they are substitutes for statements that appeal to practicality, i.e. killing is wrong as opposed to killing will land you in prison.
When you ask someone what morality means they'll say "what is right and wrong." So therefore if a 3rd grader says that 4 x 5 = 9, when it's actually 20, it's immoral?
it doesnt apply to maths, morality is more so about the actions you take.you could ask whether or not getting the answer wrong is wrong in it of itself, but thats a whole another topic.
Of course not, they mean what is morally right and morally wrong. Morality=what is morally right and morally wrong. But that's using the root word "moral" to define morality. Doesn't make sense.
you dont have to use the word moral to define the word morality, distinguishing actions from right and wrong by itself defines it.though than you would have to define right and wrong which are meaningless words without context since they dont describe anything objective and tangible themselves and so neither does morality.
 
moral statements are more so meant to be expressions, they are substitutes for statements that appeal to practicality, i.e. killing is wrong as opposed to killing will land you in prison.

it doesnt apply to maths, morality is more so about the actions you take.you could ask whether or not getting the answer wrong is wrong in it of itself, but thats a whole another topic.

you dont have to use the word moral to define the word morality, distinguishing actions from right and wrong by itself defines it.though than you would have to define right and wrong which are meaningless words without context since they dont describe anything objective and tangible themselves and so neither does morality.

tl;dr morality is made up and doesn't exist
 
for me morality is following your principle, if you're religious, morality is how god dictated you to act.

Technically there are many religions so you're acting in a way that someone else told you to act and they claimed god wants you to act this way
 
basically, personally i act the way it's suit me, don't care about moral values anyway, i stopped following the islamic rules long time ago tbh.

Yeah I act whatever way suits me to. Even religious people do. They're just afraid of hell so they act "moral"
 
1. My point is you don't seem to be defining morality clearly. There are many actions people would call "immoral" that don't make you a psychopath.

For sure, morality has many different layers to it, but I also believe that there's a certain point when disregarding morality causes you to attain a psychopathic mindset.

2. Paying your taxes doesn't necessarily mean you'll go into debt, perhaps you're cheating on them for greedy reasons

How is avoiding taxes not a form of debt, that's like saying you don't owe the store for taking their TV.
 
How is avoiding taxes not a form of debt, that's like saying you don't owe the store for taking their TV.

If I made say 100k, and I was supposed to pay say 35k in taxes, but I don't, that SAVES me money
 
Morality delves into the realm of philosophy, which is significantly less concrete than something like math.
We know that morality is what is “morally” right or wrong there are so many ideologies that have different ideas of what is right or wrong, even not caring about morality is a type of philosophy in itself.
 
nah, it's rhetoric to manipulate people into acting the way you want by shaming unwanted behaviors. if i have a lot of sway in a community, and i say "stealing is bad" and there are people that agree with me, you are then put into a position where you have to accept that to fit in or go against that and risk ostracization, furthermore it adds risk to the act of stealing because it can then result in a loss of status in addition to whatever consequence for it was already there.
 
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Morality is a social construct designed to protect society and humanity from human behaviours which the society in question deems harmful to itself. A society in which cannibalism is commonplace, for example, will not consider it immoral, in the same way that the vast majority of people don't consider meat eating or slaughterhouses immoral. Think about how, in western soyciety, female genital mutilation is considered to be on the same level as murder, yet circumcision is a commonplace practice. This is an example of how morality is socially constructed.

Religion is a secondary manifestation of morality, designed as a means of controlling people who don't adhere to the regular moral code by creating a moral code which comes with "rewards" (i.e. 72 virgins in the afterlife, going to heaven, etc.).

Some may think that the law is a manifestation of morality as well, but it actually isn't. While on the surface, the goal of the law is to control the masses in the same way that it is for morality and religion, the underlying aim of the law is different. The law was created to suppress the masses to the benefit of the social elite. The secondary aim of the law is to keep citizens as productive as possible, while the primary aim of the law is to prevent the possibility of a revolution or coup d'etat.
 
It exist inside people's head. Morality isnt objective or absolute.
 
Morality is just a social construct :feelsEhh:
 
Morality is a social construct designed to protect society and humanity from human behaviours which the society in question deems harmful to itself. A society in which cannibalism is commonplace, for example, will not consider it immoral, in the same way that the vast majority of people don't consider meat eating or slaughterhouses immoral. Think about how, in western soyciety, female genital mutilation is considered to be on the same level as murder, yet circumcision is a commonplace practice. This is an example of how morality is socially constructed.

Religion is a secondary manifestation of morality, designed as a means of controlling people who don't adhere to the regular moral code by creating a moral code which comes with "rewards" (i.e. 72 virgins in the afterlife, going to heaven, etc.).

Some may think that the law is a manifestation of morality as well, but it actually isn't. While on the surface, the goal of the law is to control the masses in the same way that it is for morality and religion, the underlying aim of the law is different. The law was created to suppress the masses to the benefit of the social elite. The secondary aim of the law is to keep citizens as productive as possible, while the primary aim of the law is to prevent the possibility of a revolution or coup d'etat.

nah, it's rhetoric to manipulate people into acting the way you want by shaming unwanted behaviors. if i have a lot of sway in a community, and i say "stealing is bad" and there are people that agree with me, you are then put into a position where you have to accept that to fit in or go against that and risk ostracization, furthermore it adds risk to the act of stealing because it can then result in a loss of status in addition to whatever consequence for it was already there.

Yeah, I think religion is the part that's interesting here. Look at Elliot Rodger, he was a social outcast, so what "status" did he have to lose? None. So if he wanted to go ER, the only thing stopping him would be thoughts of the afterlife, especially since he killed himself to avoid prison. Religion as I see it is meant as a tool to control people at the bottom into accepting their fate at the bottom.
 
Morality is what humans use to control one another. It’s not actually real.
 
Yeah, I think religion is the part that's interesting here. Look at Elliot Rodger, he was a social outcast, so what "status" did he have to lose? None. So if he wanted to go ER, the only thing stopping him would be thoughts of the afterlife. Religion as I see it is meant as a tool to control people at the bottom into accepting their fate at the bottom.
indeed son, religion is just an extension of it. the people on the bottom always outnumber the people on the top so some form of pacification is needed. christianity promises a pay off or punishment after death, which means there is no way to prove that it's a lie, it's the perfect scam. other religions have similar systems. karma in hinduism is there to give the lower castes a cope, they'll spend their lives thinking "i'll be rewarded in the next life, this is just how the world works" which will keep them pacified. if hindus weren't hindus, there would no reason for them to not rebel against the caste system, at least for the ones on the bottom. the idea of god is good for this because he's not really a physical entity so people have nothing to really rebel against and even if they do, they're not rebelling against the powers that be, but against some idea. in recent times, the means of pacification are moving from religion to consumerism; tv shows, news, porn, games, drugs, fashion, etc.
 
If you believe in any form of determinism, then morality can’t exist because then people don’t have control over their lives.
 
I don't get this thread, at all. Retard trait, tbh.
 
I don't know. I don't understand this thread at all. But I guess it's related to morality, so kinda.

Oh I thought you were calling me a retard. lol. Oh well, carry on
 
Not sure tbh

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