Does Croatia need more immigrants

[WizardofSoda]

Croatia has 3.8 million people. Their population peaked in 1990 at 4.7 million. Today they are losing about 50,000 people a year. 25,000 from births minus deaths. And 25,000 from people leaving the country.

Croatia has a fertility rate of about 1.50, which is right at the average in the West. The capital city, Zagreb has about 1.1 million people in the metro area. Croatia has a nominal GDP per capita of ~$20,000.


I don't think it will be that easy for Croatia to get immigrants unless they want to get bottom of the barrel ones. Immigrants are going to want to go to like big cities in Europe where there is jobs and people like them already there and international languages spoken there. For the state of Croatia its a big issue because how viable is this country. That is why Croatia has to be supporting continuing EU integration, is to me the country is only really viable if its like a state in the EU. Yet being in the EU means Croatians can then emigrate to other EU countries.

How does Croatia get out of this situation. I don't know if there is a way out, thats why the Balkans and ex-Warsaw Pact countries are declining in population year after year. You see in comparison think about Holland. Holland can get immigrants from all sorts of places and since Holland is rich they can pick and choose immigrants. Holland can also get white immigrants from Eastern Europe, like countries in the EU.


@CroatianManlet


Another issue is the modern economy really seems to like these vast metro areas. In these vast metro areas thats where the big corporations are, and there is real money to be made. The rural economy doesn't need so many workers nowadays. Like with giant farm machinery it doesn't take that many people to operate. Same with mining and forestry.

In the USA if you look at smaller cities that are successful they are usually something government related. Like college towns and/or state capitals. The mega corporations they need a large pool of workers available to recruit from. And people don't want to move to a small city with only one big corporation there from their industry, because what happens if they lose the job. Its better for people to stay in these big metro areas and then if they lose one job, they get another job with another corporation there. Also people have to think about not just their job but also for their families. Like the wife also needs a job somewhere. And their kids want jobs when they grow up.

 

[trying to ascend]

It needs more births

 

[Retardfuel]

Whole eastern Europe is in decline, all youth is working and living in developed western Europe, at this point they might start bringing in ethnics

 

[WizardofSoda]

It needs more births

I was thinking they could bring in Curries and SE Asians. And hope the curries don't revert to being Gypsies.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Whole eastern Europe is in decline, all youth is working and living in developed western Europe, at this point they might start bringing in ethnics

Ya a big issue they have is even if they got their fertility rates up to 2.10 for replacement, a lot of young adults, including young women are leaving for western Europe. Its like Romania their fertility rate isn't even that bad, but they are losing people still because they have less young women.

 

[Koomersarj]

It needs more births

 

[Koomersarj]

I was thinking they could bring in Curries and SE Asians. And hope the curries don't revert to being Gypsies.

Better to just let the country die than import brown ethnics

 

[WizardofSoda]

Better to just let the country die than import brown ethnics

This guy probably has like 6 kids and 32 grandkids who are chips off the old block.

 

[ReconElement]

The eternal anglo strikes again and this time Croats are going to get their buck broken and as a respite will get few memes on kikes from friendly based anglos on 4chan

 

[SIR ETHNICCEL]

Croatia has 3.8 million people. Their population peaked in 1990 at 4.7 million. Today they are losing about 50,000 people a year. 25,000 from births minus deaths. And 25,000 from people leaving the country.

Croatia has a fertility rate of about 1.50, which is right at the average in the West. The capital city, Zagreb has about 1.1 million people in the metro area. Croatia has a nominal GDP per capita of ~$20,000.


I don't think it will be that easy for Croatia to get immigrants unless they want to get bottom of the barrel ones. Immigrants are going to want to go to like big cities in Europe where there is jobs and people like them already there and international languages spoken there. For the state of Croatia its a big issue because how viable is this country. That is why Croatia has to be supporting continuing EU integration, is to me the country is only really viable if its like a state in the EU. Yet being in the EU means Croatians can then emigrate to other EU countries.

How does Croatia get out of this situation. I don't know if there is a way out, thats why the Balkans and ex-Warsaw Pact countries are declining in population year after year. You see in comparison think about Holland. Holland can get immigrants from all sorts of places and since Holland is rich they can pick and choose immigrants. Holland can also get white immigrants from Eastern Europe, like countries in the EU.


@CroatianManlet


Another issue is the modern economy really seems to like these vast metro areas. In these vast metro areas thats where the big corporations are, and there is real money to be made. The rural economy doesn't need so many workers nowadays. Like with giant farm machinery it doesn't take that many people to operate. Same with mining and forestry.

In the USA if you look at smaller cities that are successful they are usually something government related. Like college towns and/or state capitals. The mega corporations they need a large pool of workers available to recruit from. And people don't want to move to a small city with only one big corporation there from their industry, because what happens if they lose the job. Its better for people to stay in these big metro areas and then if they lose one job, they get another job with another corporation there. Also people have to think about not just their job but also for their families. Like the wife also needs a job somewhere. And their kids want jobs when they grow up.

yes they need immigration.

i suggest 1 million negroes from Congo or Nigeria

 

[KetamineAddictYoda]

They can't just import more immigrants for the same reason you stated; "Immigrants are going to want to go to like big cities in Europe where there is jobs and people like them already there and international languages spoken there." Like the rest of Eastern Europe, Croatia is suffering a slow death and relying on EU life support. And if even indigenous Croatioans are emigrating en masse, then I certainly don't see immigrants staying.

 

[Friezacel]

No one "needs" immigrant from Middle East, North Africa and Sub Sahara

 

[Nytick]

Croatia such a cute tiny country, I wish it will remain white n shieet

 

[WizardofSoda]

They can't just import more immigrants for the same reason you stated; "Immigrants are going to want to go to like big cities in Europe where there is jobs and people like them already there and international languages spoken there." Like the rest of Eastern Europe, Croatia is suffering a slow death and relying on EU life support. And if even indigenous Croatioans are emigrating en masse, then I certainly don't see immigrants staying.

Ya that is another big issue, even if they somehow got immigrants to Croatia, those immigrants would then have access to the whole EU and leave just like Croatians are.

 

[WizardofSoda]

yes they need immigration.

i suggest 1 million negroes from Congo or Nigeria

I was thinking finding strong and fast negroes for their soccer team.

 

[SIR ETHNICCEL]

I was thinking finding strong and fast negroes for their soccer team.

nah niggers are just too dumb to take the team to the finals and win. Mulattos are what you need for the higher leagues of football, best of both worlds buddy. Enough brute savage animal strength and big dicks to go that extra mile and just enough IQ to improvise and make lemonade from lemons and keep up with the blue eyed devils when they turn up the pressure.

 

[WizardofSoda]

nah niggers are just too dumb to take the team to the finals and win. Mulattos are what you need for the higher leagues of football, best of both worlds buddy. Enough brute savage animal strength and big dicks to go that extra mile and just enough IQ to improvise and make lemonade from lemons and keep up with the blue eyed devils when they turn up the pressure.


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The mixes are always stronger because by chance some will get good traits from both parents. And of course when selecting only the best 11 players in the whole country, they can find Mulattos who hit the jackpot for mixture of features.

 

[WorthlessSlavicShit]

It needs more births

At the rate their fertility rate is improving, they should get to replacement level by 2080 .

I mean, that's ultimately manageable, but I don't think the government would like that.

They can't just import more immigrants for the same reason you stated; "Immigrants are going to want to go to like big cities in Europe where there is jobs and people like them already there and international languages spoken there." Like the rest of Eastern Europe, Croatia is suffering a slow death and relying on EU life support. And if even indigenous Croatioans are emigrating en masse, then I certainly don't see immigrants staying.

Ya that is another big issue, even if they somehow got immigrants to Croatia, those immigrants would then have access to the whole EU and leave just like Croatians are.

That's... not exactly true though, if immigrants were just automatically coming to the richest places then nothing except the USA or Scandinavia would be getting immigrants at all. They don't need to offer them the best deal ever, they just need to offer them better salaries and living standards then they get in their home countries. That's why most African migrants move to other African countries, and even in Eastern Europe, when you look closer, it's really mostly just rural areas that are losing population while the urban ones are either stagnating or even growing, since while the urbanites move abroad, the ruralites move to the cities since that's a good enough deal for them.

 

[KetamineAddictYoda]

That's... not exactly true though, if immigrants were just automatically coming to the richest places then nothing except the USA or Scandinavia would be getting immigrants at all. They don't need to offer them the best deal ever, they just need to offer them better salaries and living standards then they get in their home countries.

"better salaries and living standards" is what these countries already offer and its not working. When wages 2-3 times as high are available in countries next door, both imported migrants and native youth easily flee through EU freedom of movement laws.

That's why most African migrants move to other African countries,

And in the same vein, Western Europe offers better incentives to migrants than Eastern Europe. This is why "Close to 20 million, mostly young and skilled Eastern Europeans—equal to the combined population of the Czech Republic and Hungary—left their countries over the past 25 years." If Africa had comparable freedom of movement then migrants would inevitably go to the most economically successful states instead of remaining in poorer ones.

and even in Eastern Europe, when you look closer, it's really mostly just rural areas that are losing population while the urban ones are either stagnating or even growing, since while the urbanites move abroad, the ruralites move to the cities since that's a good enough deal for them.

This is not just a redistribution of population caused by urbanization. Nearly all of Eastern European faces serious population decline that isn't easily solved by immitating immigration strategies of rich countries they're in an economic union with.

 

[WorthlessSlavicShit]

"better salaries and living standards" is what these countries already offer and its not working. When wages 2-3 times as high are available in countries next door, both imported migrants and native youth easily flee through EU freedom of movement laws.

And in the same vein, Western Europe offers better incentives to migrants than Eastern Europe. This is why "Close to 20 million, mostly young and skilled Eastern Europeans—equal to the combined population of the Czech Republic and Hungary—left their countries over the past 25 years." If Africa had comparable freedom of movement then migrants would inevitably go to the most economically successful states instead of remaining in poorer ones.

It's kinda starting to work though. You have to look at the way the trends have been evolving over time with stuff like this. The emigration rates have consistently been falling in almost all of those countries for over a decade now, not to mention that a fair few of them have had positive net migration rates for a good while now.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/grilsz/net_migration_rate_in_europe_per_1000_people/


Also note that that map is already outdated. Lithuania already has had net positive migration rate for a couple of years, Latvia in 2022 gained more people than it lost for the first time, while Poland has went to being on the cusp of this with its net migration rate going from -0,8 in that map to being around 0,3 now, while Romania's has absolutely collapsed from -3,9 to -0,7 now, the first time in decades it has had a net migration rate lower than -1.

There's still a lot of Eastern Europeans going west, of course, but it's absolutely nowhere near where it was in late-2000s/early-2010s. The bulk of the population transfer has already passed us a decade ago.

This is not just a redistribution of population caused by urbanization.

It isn't, but the dynamics are similar there. When you look at migration patterns in individual regions, there's a fair few richer regions in EE that also gain more workers than they lose.

https://cor.europa.eu/en/engage/studies/Documents/addressing-brain-drain/addressing-brain-drain.pdf

Note that that study used 2014 data, when Poland, Romania and the Baltics were absolutely bleeding people to the West, and the former two still had regions that received workers rather than lost them. If a study like this were done now that only Latvia maybe still sees more people leave than come if it turns out that their latest data is incorrect, while Poland and Romania have the lowest emigration rates they've had in decades, I'm completely sure it would've showed an even better overall picture.

Nearly all of Eastern European faces serious population decline that isn't easily solved by immitating immigration strategies of rich countries they're in an economic union with.

Fair point, which is why it's great to see, as is shown on the graph I posted in my previous post, that the first 8 out of top 10 countries in Europe that have seen their fertility rates grow/recover in the last few decades are all in EE.

 

[Uninvited]

I would rather parts of country revert back to nature and be ready to be possibly reinhabited by my race in the future than bulldoze it to make houses fora bunch of niggers who will drain the state resources