Does a modified lefort III really even help?

[truecel23]

Help a bad midface and zygos. I can see it move both for better anterior projection, but would it add volume?

I know that it can be pretty good at fixing weak lower orbital rims.

I'm honestly down to do a modified lefort III. If it goes wrong, then I'll probably rope shortly afterwards. I'm planning to rope either ways, so it doesn't hurt giving even the extreme surgeries a shot. I have the money, so I think its worth giving it a shot. 

@FACEandLMS (since you seem to know your shit)

 

[Octopusgun2]

Dr Zarrinbal in Germany does Zygomatic sandwich ostéotomies but the surgery is still experimental and results are totally unpredictable so you basically have to go for it with your own risk.

 

[CopingGymcel]

It will move your maxilla forward, but then afterwards you'll need other surgeries to look good. It allows other surgeries to have better results because of better forward growth. Not much you can do surgery wise if the maxilla is overly retruded, so it has to be moved forward first. The Lefort III isn't what is going to make you good looking, it's the surgeries that follows, so you'll need a lot of money.

If you're an extremely ugly truecel, who is mostly ugly because of a retruded maxilla, I don't see why you wouldn't do it. You're fucked now and you're fucked if the surgery goes wrong. You're fucked either way if you don't try.

 

[Octopusgun2]

It will move your maxilla forward, but then afterwards you'll need other surgeries to look good. It allows other surgeries to have better results because of better forward growth. Not much you can do surgery wise if the maxilla is overly retruded, so it has to be moved forward first. The Lefort III isn't what is going to make you good looking, it's the surgeries that follows, so you'll need a lot of money.
If you're an extremely ugly truecel, who is mostly ugly because of a retruded maxilla, I don't see why you wouldn't do it. You're fucked now and you're fucked if the surgery goes wrong. You're fucked either way if you don't try.

But OP didn’t say anything about his maxilla. He said he has a bad midface which i’m assuming that he has a long one and no zygos projection. Fixing maxilla that isn’t recessed is gonna make you look comical.

 

[CopingGymcel]

But OP didn’t say anything about his maxilla. He said he has a bad midface which i’m assuming that he has a long one and no zygos projection. Fixing maxilla that isn’t recessed is gonna make you look comical.

If it's not retruded, giving it more forward growth isn't going to do shit, yes.

If he has a comically long midface, then there is no fix and he better hope that is other features are good enough to make up for it.

 

[truecel23]

Dr Zarrinbal in Germany does Zygomatic sandwich ostéotomies but the surgery is still experimental and results are totally unpredictable so you basically have to go for it with your own risk.

Is it getting better and better? I can't afford many procedures right now. Only a few of the big ones. But probably only ONE. I know I can afford everything without a doubt in like 3-4 years. So it would be perfectly in time for me.

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It will move your maxilla forward, but then afterwards you'll need other surgeries to look good. It allows other surgeries to have better results because of better forward growth. Not much you can do surgery wise if the maxilla is overly retruded, so it has to be moved forward first. The Lefort III isn't what is going to make you good looking, it's the surgeries that follows, so you'll need a lot of money.

If you're an extremely ugly truecel, who is mostly ugly because of a retruded maxilla, I don't see why you wouldn't do it. You're fucked now and you're fucked if the surgery goes wrong. You're fucked either way if you don't try.

Actually it doesn't move the maxilla. I'm talking about Dr. Sinn's modified lefort III in Texas. It doesn't really modify the maxilla at all.

Draw circles on your top cheeks just under your orbitals. It moves that forwards.

I might need a lefort I, but I'm not sure. My maxilla isn't that bad. Midface is.

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But OP didn’t say anything about his maxilla. He said he has a bad midface which i’m assuming that he has a long one and no zygos projection. Fixing maxilla that isn’t recessed is gonna make you look comical.

Not long, but just recessed and with no zygos projection.

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If it's not retruded, giving it more forward growth isn't going to do shit, yes.

If he has a comically long midface, then there is no fix and he better hope that is other features are good enough to make up for it.

Midfaces actually can be fixed when a person has a gummy smile. Mine isn't a long midface, so I'm fine. its just recessed.

 

[CopingGymcel]

This doesn't move the maxilla? Looks that way at least from the picture.

 

[Torment]

No, you need a modified lefort 10 and orbital rim implants to have a chance of being considered human.

 

[swissincel]

can you send me a pic of you? I am interested how you look like to make you consider lefort III

 

[Octopusgun2]

Quote from someone who has gotten a Zygos sandwich osteotomy

some members seem to think this procedure can give high cheekbones as seen in some male models, whereas the cut for the zygomatic sandwich osteotomy is over the lower part of the zygomatic bone. The upper part of the zygomatic bone is not fractured and thus you will get some fullness of the lower part of the cheekbone, not the higher part/the part above the malar prominence extending into the inferior orbital rim. Not the high or masculine cheekbone most of us seem to aim for.

 

[truecel23]

This doesn't move the maxilla? Looks that way at least from the picture.

I said "modified" Lefort III for a reason.

You're looking at the standard Lefort III for deformity patients.

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can you send me a pic of you? I am interested how you look like to make you consider lefort III

Nah. I don't post pics on the internet, lol.

Its mostly the recessed midface, dude.

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Quote from someone who has gotten a Zygos sandwich osteotomy

Link? I'm curious. Was this discussed on jawsurgeryforums.com?

Yeah, it sucks. Plastic surgery technology just isn't there. Might wait for a decade or rope by then. No point of living.

 

[CopingGymcel]

Quote from someone who has gotten a Zygos sandwich osteotomy

Even if you can't get high cheekbones, a pair of nice cheekbones, even if they are low set, will always look good.

Very low set, known for his good cheekbones. Of course there are guys with better cheekbones out there that are higher set, but his are good enough for normies to be mirin'. The width and forward growth is where it's at for men. Being high set is only a bonus.

 

[Octopusgun2]

This doesn't move the maxilla? Looks that way at least from the picture.

I said "modified" Lefort III for a reason.
You're looking at the standard Lefort III for deformity patients.

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can you send me a pic of you? I am interested how you look like to make you consider lefort III

Nah. I don't post pics on the internet, lol.
Its mostly the recessed midface, dude.

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Quote from someone who has gotten a Zygos sandwich osteotomy

Link? I'm curious. Was this discussed on jawsurgeryforums.com?
Yeah, it sucks. Plastic surgery technology just isn't there. Might wait for a decade or rope by then. No point of living.

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Yeah, it’s about the very doctor I mentioned.

http://jawsurgeryforums.com/index.php?topic=4878.45

Also, I don’t know if this is just a morph or actual results but here :

 

[truecel23]

Even if you can't get high cheekbones, a pair of nice cheekbones, even if they are low set, will always look good.

Very low set, known for his good cheekbones. Of course there are guys with better cheekbones out there that are higher set, but his are good enough for normies to be mirin'. The width and forward growth is where it's at for men. Being high set is only a bonus.

Yeah and it creates that amazing sunken cheek effect too with a great jaw.

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Yeah, it’s about the very doctor I mentioned.

http://jawsurgeryforums.com/index.php?topic=4878.45

Also, I don’t know if this is just a morph or actual results but here :

Could be fake news. IDK honestly. I mean, would they morph something unrealistic?

 

[Octopusgun2]

Quote from someone who has gotten a Zygos sandwich osteotomy

Even if you can't get high cheekbones, a pair of nice cheekbones, even if they are low set, will always look good.

Very low set, known for his good cheekbones. Of course there are guys with better cheekbones out there that are higher set, but his are good enough for normies to be mirin'. The width and forward growth is where it's at for men. Being high set is only a bonus.

My problem isn’t my cheekbones. I have high set cheekbones but mine are weak with little to no zygos projection.

 

[CopingGymcel]

My problem isn’t my cheekbones. I have high set cheekbones but mine are weak with little to no zygos projection.

Since they're in the right place, fillers could perhaps help. They've come a long way with fillers these days, it can create amazing results.

 

[Octopusgun2]

My problem isn’t my cheekbones. I have high set cheekbones but mine are weak with little to no zygos projection.

Since they're in the right place, fillers could perhaps help. They've come a long way with fillers these days, it can create amazing results.

I don’t want to take the risk tbh. I don’t have enough money anyways, i should get the necessary surgeries that I need and let the rest till I at least lose my virginity.

 

[CopingGymcel]

I don’t want to take the risk tbh. I don’t have enough money anyways, i should get the necessary surgeries that I need and let the rest till I at least lose my virginity.

I am pretty sure fillers are low risk and can be taken out if you're not satisfied with the results. It's much cheaper than surgery and the top doctors within the field pretty much always get good results (you'll look better than before at least).

 

[Octopusgun2]

I don’t want to take the risk tbh. I don’t have enough money anyways, i should get the necessary surgeries that I need and let the rest till I at least lose my virginity.

I am pretty sure fillers are low risk and can be taken out if you're not satisfied with the results. It's much cheaper than surgery and the top doctors within the field pretty much always get good results (you'll look better than before at least).

I just don’t have enough money if that’s the case. My cheekbones are high set so my undereye support is decent which IMO is good enough.

 

[CopingGymcel]

I just don’t have enough money if that’s the case. My cheekbones are high set so my undereye support is decent which IMO is good enough.

You should fix lower third first of course. I do think a nice pair of projecting cheekbones could make a long midface look shorter, though (will appear wider and take focus off the length).

 

[anincelforlifelol]

I just don’t have enough money if that’s the case. My cheekbones are high set so my undereye support is decent which IMO is good enough.

Fix your fucking 0/10 lower third first before looking at cheekbones or anything for your midface.

Also nothing will fix a long face. Just LDAR if your midface is too long.

 

[Octopusgun2]

I just don’t have enough money if that’s the case. My cheekbones are high set so my undereye support is decent which IMO is good enough.

Fix your fucking 0/10 lower third first before looking at cheekbones or anything for your midface.
Also nothing will fix a long face. Just LDAR if your midface is too long.

Midface is pretty much unfixable and can in no way be made shorter. I am starting with nose first as I got made fun of for it (still do from time to time) and I think it’s a major problem for me then lower third. Other stuff can wait.

 

[truecel23]

I don’t want to take the risk tbh. I don’t have enough money anyways, i should get the necessary surgeries that I need and let the rest till I at least lose my virginity.

Have you looked into the "CT-Bone" stuff?