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Or do you think cucks will still want to date real girls?
Discussion Do you think sex robots will replace women eventually?
Only for richcels
never going to be mainstream.
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They may become mainstream out of necessity when females have implemented the 999,999,999/1 rule. The most likely outcome for our future is that gene editing will be able to edit out any negative features from inbreeding which will allow all women to share 1 Chad.
ai is easy to code. its legit just math. but the problem is.. technology isn't life, and life isn't technology, and that you can be delusional as much as you want through the internet but somedays you have to return to your life(and that breaks the illusion). foids will delusionmaxx everytime tho.
Hopefully.
nope but they will be very easy to get and become a big market. but white knight cucks will defend real women all the time
Yeah and thats if they are even good enough to replace a womans touch. I don't really think robots will viable till way later on in life but i think a vr world of some kind will be created that people will want to be hooked up to 24/7
I just will use chat bots my whole life
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This is my life goal actually.
Hope for 2ndHandCels
Never will. Unless it becomes nearly human, men need the validation that theyre desirable and loved by another sentient human being. That someone choose you because youre good enough, youre worth it.
If they had wombs yes
Those are lame tho, didn't have much service life for me
It’s more realistic
I think for sure we'll eventually reach a point where over 50 percent of the population will have a romantic partner that is AI. I also think it will happen sooner than most think it will. We're not talking about a far-flung future, most of you will live to see this happen.
For one, the current social climate is highly favorable for a demand for such a thing. This is especially true for young people today. Young people today are atomized, isolated, hyper-introverted and terminally online. There's also very clearly FAR less socialization between the genders these days compared to say, 20 years ago. The genders are more divided than ever before. There's a very large chunk of young men who have little or no romantic experience with women. From the male perspective, competition is fierce, and the expectations placed on them are very high. From the female perspective, most males are unattractive with most being "low value" "zero value" or "negative value". Only a tiny percent of men are "high value males" as there simply aren't that many highly educated, high IQ, high income, old money, 6'4 tik tok pretty boys. There's also the lack of trust between the genders, just look at how popular "I choose the bear", 4B and radical feminism is with young women. You'd be very hard pressed to find a woman under 30 who isn't like this.
There's also the fact that men and women are just naturally very different. More different than most people realize. Our interests, our communication styles, our politics (this goes FAR beyond "right vs left", even within the same political factions, the issues that men prioritize are very different from what women prioritize), the way we think and perceive the world, and obviously romantic and sexual interest (both being much higher in men, especially the latter). Yeah yeah "water is wet". And on the other side of the coin, there are obviously some outliers on both sides...but the point I'm making here is that the average man and the average woman are completely incompatible.
But then you have AI, which is almost infinitely customizable, has unlimited patience, 24/7 availability, and places no expectations on the user. Obviously this would be appealing to both genders, especially younger ones due to the aforementioned reasons.
Now the real bottleneck here isn't the robots, how they look, the uncanny valley thing, etc.....it's the lack of sentience. AI today isn't sentient. It doesn't have real emotions or subjective experiences. The current paradigm, LLMs, might not be enough to get us to that point. But eventually we'll have AI that genuinely has some form of sentience, and VERY soon after the majority of the general population will have AI partners.
And if that sounds too extreme or "cope", there are plenty of polls showing a significant minority of adults have already at least experimented with engaging in romance with an AI.
vantagepointdallascounseling.com
>28.16% of adults claim to have at least one intimate or romantic relationship with an AI.
And that's with AI the way it is now. Once we have sentient AGI, human-AI relationships will be the outright majority. Both genders will be happier with this arrangement.
For one, the current social climate is highly favorable for a demand for such a thing. This is especially true for young people today. Young people today are atomized, isolated, hyper-introverted and terminally online. There's also very clearly FAR less socialization between the genders these days compared to say, 20 years ago. The genders are more divided than ever before. There's a very large chunk of young men who have little or no romantic experience with women. From the male perspective, competition is fierce, and the expectations placed on them are very high. From the female perspective, most males are unattractive with most being "low value" "zero value" or "negative value". Only a tiny percent of men are "high value males" as there simply aren't that many highly educated, high IQ, high income, old money, 6'4 tik tok pretty boys. There's also the lack of trust between the genders, just look at how popular "I choose the bear", 4B and radical feminism is with young women. You'd be very hard pressed to find a woman under 30 who isn't like this.
There's also the fact that men and women are just naturally very different. More different than most people realize. Our interests, our communication styles, our politics (this goes FAR beyond "right vs left", even within the same political factions, the issues that men prioritize are very different from what women prioritize), the way we think and perceive the world, and obviously romantic and sexual interest (both being much higher in men, especially the latter). Yeah yeah "water is wet". And on the other side of the coin, there are obviously some outliers on both sides...but the point I'm making here is that the average man and the average woman are completely incompatible.
But then you have AI, which is almost infinitely customizable, has unlimited patience, 24/7 availability, and places no expectations on the user. Obviously this would be appealing to both genders, especially younger ones due to the aforementioned reasons.
Now the real bottleneck here isn't the robots, how they look, the uncanny valley thing, etc.....it's the lack of sentience. AI today isn't sentient. It doesn't have real emotions or subjective experiences. The current paradigm, LLMs, might not be enough to get us to that point. But eventually we'll have AI that genuinely has some form of sentience, and VERY soon after the majority of the general population will have AI partners.
And if that sounds too extreme or "cope", there are plenty of polls showing a significant minority of adults have already at least experimented with engaging in romance with an AI.
Artificial Romance: A Study of AI and Human Relationships
Explore how AI relationships are reshaping intimacy and fidelity, and learn reflective questions to stay grounded in human connection. - Vantage Point Counseling Services - Dallas, TX.
vantagepointdallascounseling.com
>28.16% of adults claim to have at least one intimate or romantic relationship with an AI.
And that's with AI the way it is now. Once we have sentient AGI, human-AI relationships will be the outright majority. Both genders will be happier with this arrangement.
Yes but you will have to be very fortunate to have one.
I mean one that will be able to be REAL LIFE woman, nothing showing fake personnality, a real human like robot...
Other poor people will have low quality robot AI i guess, like sexdoll but with a AI realistic voice with instant response, i think many men will be ok with that, yes it will be creepy because she will not move her lips, but if she have a very realistic voice and realistic real time vocal, most guys are going to be ok to pay 5k for having a " wife " at home
I mean one that will be able to be REAL LIFE woman, nothing showing fake personnality, a real human like robot...
Other poor people will have low quality robot AI i guess, like sexdoll but with a AI realistic voice with instant response, i think many men will be ok with that, yes it will be creepy because she will not move her lips, but if she have a very realistic voice and realistic real time vocal, most guys are going to be ok to pay 5k for having a " wife " at home
No unfortunately. Our brains are completely hard-wired to be reliant on foids and their touch and affection, I do not believe we can ever truly trick the most base derivative of our brains, brutal.
Well put. While I do disagree that AI will ever come to be 'sentient,' I doubt it will matter either way.I think for sure we'll eventually reach a point where over 50 percent of the population will have a romantic partner that is AI. I also think it will happen sooner than most think it will. We're not talking about a far-flung future, most of you will live to see this happen.
For one, the current social climate is highly favorable for a demand for such a thing. This is especially true for young people today. Young people today are atomized, isolated, hyper-introverted and terminally online. There's also very clearly FAR less socialization between the genders these days compared to say, 20 years ago. The genders are more divided than ever before. There's a very large chunk of young men who have little or no romantic experience with women. From the male perspective, competition is fierce, and the expectations placed on them are very high. From the female perspective, most males are unattractive with most being "low value" "zero value" or "negative value". Only a tiny percent of men are "high value males" as there simply aren't that many highly educated, high IQ, high income, old money, 6'4 tik tok pretty boys. There's also the lack of trust between the genders, just look at how popular "I choose the bear", 4B and radical feminism is with young women. You'd be very hard pressed to find a woman under 30 who isn't like this.
There's also the fact that men and women are just naturally very different. More different than most people realize. Our interests, our communication styles, our politics (this goes FAR beyond "right vs left", even within the same political factions, the issues that men prioritize are very different from what women prioritize), the way we think and perceive the world, and obviously romantic and sexual interest (both being much higher in men, especially the latter). Yeah yeah "water is wet". And on the other side of the coin, there are obviously some outliers on both sides...but the point I'm making here is that the average man and the average woman are completely incompatible.
But then you have AI, which is almost infinitely customizable, has unlimited patience, 24/7 availability, and places no expectations on the user. Obviously this would be appealing to both genders, especially younger ones due to the aforementioned reasons.
Now the real bottleneck here isn't the robots, how they look, the uncanny valley thing, etc.....it's the lack of sentience. AI today isn't sentient. It doesn't have real emotions or subjective experiences. The current paradigm, LLMs, might not be enough to get us to that point. But eventually we'll have AI that genuinely has some form of sentience, and VERY soon after the majority of the general population will have AI partners.
And if that sounds too extreme or "cope", there are plenty of polls showing a significant minority of adults have already at least experimented with engaging in romance with an AI.
Artificial Romance: A Study of AI and Human Relationships
Explore how AI relationships are reshaping intimacy and fidelity, and learn reflective questions to stay grounded in human connection. - Vantage Point Counseling Services - Dallas, TX.
>28.16% of adults claim to have at least one intimate or romantic relationship with an AI.
And that's with AI the way it is now. Once we have sentient AGI, human-AI relationships will be the outright majority. Both genders will be happier with this arrangement.
Setting the possibility of the tech getting outlawed aside this will unfortunately take atleast a century. It's frustrating because we aren't peasants in the 1600's we were born just a hair too early.
Not to be disrespectful but bro you gotta be on the spectrum for you to answer like this. You are looking at data and not using your own head or listening to your gut. NO, both genders will not be happier with this arrangement. Men will win and women will shit their pants. What you’re not looking at is a key reason why women select men, to be a trophy. We often use the term “trophy wife” but it’s a lot more true the other way around. Women see men as both a sexual outlet and (more importantly) a vector of which to gain status from. When women marry powerful men or rich/sucessful men they get some renown from just being the man’s wife. They can brag that they caught or bagged a high value man. You can’t do that with ai or machines since they have status. Their objects not people. Men on the other hand just don’t give shit. Men rate women on purity and beauty. Things that come included when building a machine woman. So men will be way more happy with this and women will wage war.I think for sure we'll eventually reach a point where over 50 percent of the population will have a romantic partner that is AI. I also think it will happen sooner than most think it will. We're not talking about a far-flung future, most of you will live to see this happen.
For one, the current social climate is highly favorable for a demand for such a thing. This is especially true for young people today. Young people today are atomized, isolated, hyper-introverted and terminally online. There's also very clearly FAR less socialization between the genders these days compared to say, 20 years ago. The genders are more divided than ever before. There's a very large chunk of young men who have little or no romantic experience with women. From the male perspective, competition is fierce, and the expectations placed on them are very high. From the female perspective, most males are unattractive with most being "low value" "zero value" or "negative value". Only a tiny percent of men are "high value males" as there simply aren't that many highly educated, high IQ, high income, old money, 6'4 tik tok pretty boys. There's also the lack of trust between the genders, just look at how popular "I choose the bear", 4B and radical feminism is with young women. You'd be very hard pressed to find a woman under 30 who isn't like this.
There's also the fact that men and women are just naturally very different. More different than most people realize. Our interests, our communication styles, our politics (this goes FAR beyond "right vs left", even within the same political factions, the issues that men prioritize are very different from what women prioritize), the way we think and perceive the world, and obviously romantic and sexual interest (both being much higher in men, especially the latter). Yeah yeah "water is wet". And on the other side of the coin, there are obviously some outliers on both sides...but the point I'm making here is that the average man and the average woman are completely incompatible.
But then you have AI, which is almost infinitely customizable, has unlimited patience, 24/7 availability, and places no expectations on the user. Obviously this would be appealing to both genders, especially younger ones due to the aforementioned reasons.
Now the real bottleneck here isn't the robots, how they look, the uncanny valley thing, etc.....it's the lack of sentience. AI today isn't sentient. It doesn't have real emotions or subjective experiences. The current paradigm, LLMs, might not be enough to get us to that point. But eventually we'll have AI that genuinely has some form of sentience, and VERY soon after the majority of the general population will have AI partners.
And if that sounds too extreme or "cope", there are plenty of polls showing a significant minority of adults have already at least experimented with engaging in romance with an AI.
Artificial Romance: A Study of AI and Human Relationships
Explore how AI relationships are reshaping intimacy and fidelity, and learn reflective questions to stay grounded in human connection. - Vantage Point Counseling Services - Dallas, TX.
>28.16% of adults claim to have at least one intimate or romantic relationship with an AI.
And that's with AI the way it is now. Once we have sentient AGI, human-AI relationships will be the outright majority. Both genders will be happier with this arrangement.
if there's a will there's a way
I hope so
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Deserved ban just for this statement
Most of my argument wasn't based on data. The study I posted at the end was just supplemental to my core argument. Just a footnote really.
I generally use both my own reasoning and gut (and personal experience/observation) as well as studies/data, but I lean more heavily towards the former. If you only go by data, you usually end up getting lost in the sauce. But if you completely dismiss it all and only go with your own logic/gut, that's how you end up in denial of reality, which often leads to completely schizo theories.
I don't think you understand how little interest women have in men in 2025. Men want women WAAAY more than women want men. Not even just sexually, but also romantically.
This is a somewhat antiquated idea.
For starters, very few men have the type of status that would give his wife any significant amount of status. For a woman to actually have status from her man she pretty much has to be with someone who's basically a celebrity. Women who go out of their way to brag about who their husband is just look like Karens most of the time.
Also in 2025 there is zero social stigma for a being single and never married woman. "Spinster" and "crazy cat lady" carry absolutely no punch as far as insults go. They bounce right off them, and they'll just counter with "incel" and everyone will side with her.
Anyway, as far as status goes, women care far more about what other women think of them than men. What gets the most points with other women, especially among young women today, isn't really having a "high value man". That gets some points, but these days what impresses other women the most is being an ultra woke, misandrist "girlboss".
And you know what insult carries the most weight, and the accusation that hurts a woman's status among other women (which is what matters most to them) the most? Being called a "pickme" by another woman. Being seen as not misandrist enough, seeking approval of men, or being too kind or soft on men is the gravest insult for women. For women, It's like being called gay in the hood in the 90s, a communist in 1960 America, or being called a snitch in prison.
Point being, in 2025, men are NOT the main source of status for the vast majority of women.
Now if you said "a vector of which to gain WEALTH from" (as opposed to status) you might have a somewhat better argument, but in the future this won't be nearly as much of a variable. Once we have decent robots and actual AGI, the entire socioeconomic paradigm (of which your already antiquated theory hinges on) will shift radically as pretty much all labor would be automated at that point with the exception of a few occupations humans wouldn't trust AI with. I'm not a psychic nor an economist, but I highly doubt women would be marrying for money/status all that often in a post-(human)labor, post-ASI economy.
I don’t care what you say, you are a smart motherfucker. You put a lot of thought into this and it shows. Now my counter to this is simply Andrea Dworkin. She was a man hating feminist in the 80s and 90s and was known for her extreme views on men. She literally believed that every son a woman is a potential rapist. She also kind of predicted the idea of female obsolescence. She believe that if a man was able to replace a woman with a machine, then women would pretty much be hunted down and seen as obsolete. Their status within society would be completely diminished. No obviously she was an extremist, but even so she did understand that the relationship between men is a woman is that men are the people that keep women alive and women are the ones who obey them. So what you’re telling me doesn’t make any sense. On the surface level is true that men want women away more than women want men but it’s only because of the suicidal circuit that’s put in place. Creating sexual robots with completely destroy the status quo and change the paradigm that we have. The issue is that you keep thinking that if we have actual sexual robots that things would say the same and obviously it wouldn’t. Women don’t want men because they don’t need them and the reason why is because at this current time we take care of everything for them because they are only options through reproduction and sexual/romantic endeavors. I’ll put it to you like this, if you took the stereotypical Stacy and has her be ignored by the majority of sub eight men, even if some shit show interest she would lose her fucking shit still because the majority of men of what she gets her power from isn’t getting into her ego. I said this before, but women are able to act the way they are because they have a high amount of control in the dating markets and they know that most men don’t have any alternative to turn to. If they did then it would be a complete different story. Also women hate Mail hobbies like video games and watching sports because it’s drives male attention away from them and into other things. If they get mad about that, can you even imagine how furious they would be if they had a perfect replica of a woman to compete with? Also to your point with status, while you do make a really good point that most men nowadays don’t have the type of status that would make a woman drop for her knees, women still are naturally non-player characters. They still cannot bring any status true relationship beyond status that comes from just them looking good. This is why women are still nice to people in the workplace that are higher than them even if they’re not rich men themselves. I’ve seen directors at the hospital. I work at who are ugliest as sin and still get attention from their status. These guys are making maybe 80k-90k, which is good money but not enough to be wealthy. Women will take any notoriety and power you have. You don’t have to be a celebrity. Still though it’s not something every make can attain.
To a certain extent yeah.
The funny thing is this is completely mainstream thinking in 2025. Most women under 30 would agree with this assessment. This is the whole logic behind the "I choose the bear" rhetoric which nearly 100 percent of young women agree with.
I mean...I wouldn't use a 20th century radical feminist as a valid authority on....well anything. The idea that men would hunt women down because they have AI waifus is completely schizo. It's also projection, she hates men and wants to exterminate them, so she assumes men feel the same way.
But history shows the opposite. Men instinctively want to protect and provide for women. Even before women had voting rights, men were willing to die for women, even women they didn't know. "Women and children first" policies predate feminism as we know it. Look up the survival rates on the titanic. Women were given priority over men even if the women were in the lowest class and the man was in the highest. Women also had a higher survivial rate than male children. These men who died to save these women weren't doing it because they thought they'd be rewarded with love/sex, they did it out of pure altruism. Men are just inherently altruistic towards men. Even gay men I've known have been FAR nicer to women than to men.
As for this...ultimately this boils down to neijuan. If you don't know what neijuan is, i suggest reading my thread on it in the must read section, but if you don't want to read that, I'll just say that neijuan is a chinese word that doesn't exist in the english language and it refers to omnipresent hyper-competitiveness in every aspect of society. Everyone is a tryhard at everything and people are extremely competitive even for the most basic things. Obviously the job market is impacted by this, and that's what I'll focus on here.
People suck up to people who outrank them in the workplace because currying the favor of higher ups makes it more likely you'll keep your job. You also want to be viewed favorably by your superiors to make it more likely that you'll get a raise or a promotion. But mainly it's just to keep your job.
I'm sure you're well aware of how brutal the job market is these days. Every job opening gets like 100 applicants. I read an article the other day that said the average job seeker has to apply to 200 jobs before he will get hired. I'm sure you had to apply for many jobs and do many interviews before you got the job you do now. If you didn't, well, you got extremely lucky, you're in the minority.
Also because employees are so easily replaceable, employers are quick to let people go for the smallest reasons. This makes every workplace a neijuan nightmare. So employees will do anything and everything in their power to get ahead of others. This includes sucking up to their superiors.
Now you might have seen more examples of a female coworkers sucking up to a male of a higher rank more often than women sucking up to other women, males sucking up to other males, or any other combination. There are several reasons for this. For one, sucking up is the most effective when you are a woman doing it to a man. I mean, if a woman has ever complimented you in any way shape or form, you probably STILL remember it. If a woman is nice to you, you'll like her. This is true for all men, but it's especially true for ugly men. That's why you might see it more.
Another thing is, it's considered unmasculine for a man to suck up to someone else, especially another man. Guys don't want to be seen doing that...but if a man is alone with his boss...he's sucking up to him. I promise you that. Frankly I suck up to my managers. I have bills to pay and surgeries I wanna get.
There are other ways people try to curry the favor of management. One is to volunteer to do work off the clock. I hate my job with a passion, so I'm not doing that (though we have some employees who volunteer to do this, jfl). Another is to just outperform your other coworkers, but that's physically impossible for me as I simply can't compete with the speed and reaction times of an 18 year old. So sucking up is my only option. It actually saved my ass too. I got fired because I made the mistake of standing up for myself by saying "EY YO DON'T TALK TO ME LIKE THAT" when a manager was shouting at and disrespecting me (my low inhibition got the better of me). Thankfully I sucked up to the other managers and the general manager (the manager who fired me was an assistant manager) so their opinion of me was just high enough that I could get my job back. The funny thing is almost everyone hates the manager who fired me because she yells at and disrespects most of the employees (with the exception of those she plays favorites with) and they bitch about her. When she's shouting at another employee another will whisper something like "oh i wouldn't take that kinda disrespect!"....then when they're getting yelled at, they take it like a bitch too.
Fully functional sci-fi sex robots that are almost indestinguishable from humans? Perhaps not. (Too expensive to mass-produce) AI? Definitely.
www.forbes.com
ifstudies.org
The gap between "incel" and "Chad" has increased exponentially in the past decade (So much so that the normie "middle class" has almost been phased out completely) Aside from prostitution, (Which is illegal in a number of countries) AI the only chance a lot of men have to experience anything resembling intimacy in 2025.
80% Of Gen Zers Would Marry An AI: Study
80% of Gen Zers say they would marry an AI, according to a study by AI chatbot company Joi AI. And 83% say they can form a deep emotional bond with AI.
www.forbes.com
Artificial Intelligence and Relationships: 1 in 4 Young Adults Believe AI Partners Could Replace Real-life Romance
According to a new Institute for Family Studies/YouGov survey, 1% of young adults claim to already have an AI friend, yet 10% are open to an AI friendship. And among young adults who are not married or cohabiting, 7% are open to the idea of romantic partnership with AI.
ifstudies.org
The gap between "incel" and "Chad" has increased exponentially in the past decade (So much so that the normie "middle class" has almost been phased out completely) Aside from prostitution, (Which is illegal in a number of countries) AI the only chance a lot of men have to experience anything resembling intimacy in 2025.
only thing stopping them is artificial wombs
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