Genetically they both fall within the European cluster and have overwhelmingly European ancestry. Idk why one form of crab-bucketing needs to be traded for another
I could be called racially self hated for saying this but I consider slavs more white than meds.
When I was on BPgram back in 2022 (which had a good bit of overlap with RWgram) I only ever saw Anglo/white users say this as a joke. The first time I saw actual unironic “Meds aren’t white” posting was by ethnics on this site
Cope
It’s a gradient. Slavs (especially North Slavs) are more Western Hunter-Gatherer and Proto-Indo-European ancestry-heavy than Meds, while Meds are more heavy in Anatolian Neolithic Farmer ancestry. All Europeans still possess substantial DNA from all three sources, so this doesn’t make one group more non-white than the other
See how that ring is drawn there by hand. Italians and Spaniards look more like semites than they do like North-Europeans. Before the Americanazation of the world people viewed themselves by their ethnicity, not by some broad categorization. Racial view of the world promotes ethnomixing (misceganation on a smaller scale) and leads to the destruction of small ethnicities. If we really needed to decide who is "pure white" we wouldn't need to consider brown eyed people at all. How are greeks white but turks aren't? The amerimutts invented whiteness as a political concept and have been tormenting Europeans with it since.Cope
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You sound like a Northern curry trying to claim proximity to whites via “muh Caucasoid saar!”
Carl Linnaeus, who was the first to scienticially delineate the concept of a white race, delineated it as “homo sapiens europaeus albus.” It was pan-European at its origin.
Race began as a legitimate form of taxonomy, and was later appropriated toward social ends. That doesn’t make it a social construct. Modern population genetics vindicates old racial categories to a large extent; the choice to adapt the rest of taxonomy to technological advancements (genetic analysis) while casting race aside was purely done for political reasons.
If that’s the case, why did miscegenation laws never apply to non-Anglo whites or non-Nordic whites the way they did to blacks and Native Americans? This idea has little historical backing aside from the words of a few guys like Ben Franklin; there is no proof that these populations were systemically seen as non-white
This is the problem at hand. Depending on where you go, definitions will be different. Society has become much more globalized recently so I do believe "white" and "race" as a term will become more universal meaning pan-European due to how many aliens have been transported into the West. There's a much clearer difference now between brown black and white nowadays.
I do agree with you there. I cited it as social for different reasons, maybe I used the word wrong, like I said above. But I do think there's genetic differences for sure.
It's the most common argument I see by libtard normies, so I wanted to address it. I agree it makes no sense, these guys try to tackle us using old definitions and they are the most picky about it, using the 1/8th rule and all that Nazi shit. We do need a new definition, and someone reasonable has to make it because they bring up these old rules and definitions on purpose to divide us.
Even if you look at FST statistics, Europeans overwhelmingly cluster closer to one another than to out-groups.
They don’t though? Idk why this idea is so pervasive. This only applies if you’re looking at the most Southern, coastal Italians and Spaniards.
Race was not invented nor exclusively used by Americans JFL. I don’t understand this cope at all. The Transatlantic slave trade (which partly justified its own existence on very early racial ideas) was invented by the Portuguese, the concept of the white race as a scientific thing was first delineated by Linnaeus (Swedish), and literally every European country with a colonial empire had a concept of racial hierarchy.
Untrue. Acknowledging biological differences between macro-populations of humanity disincentivizes mixing, because it acknowledges that they are, in fact, biologically different, and that the gap isn’t just cultural. Whereas race denialism suggests literally any foreigner can assimilate so long as he or she “integrates.” Race defining a broader in-group does not inherently promote ethnomixing any more than race denialism does.
Makes 0 sense because brown eyes exist in literally every European population including Nords.
Because they cluster with Europeans while Turks cluster with Kavkaz, as is clearly shown in the graphs I posted. Turks have a substantial East Eurasian component through their Seljuk ancestors which Greeks lack.
Refer to what I wrote above. Do you seriously just not think the British, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, French empires defined themselves as a biologically superior out-group to conquered populations?
Alright, i undrestand what you're saying and it's true, i still feel like race is slightly more gradient rather than just blocks. Obvioulsy different Europeans are very different, so i don't see the reason for this race talk. Americans can't understand ethnicity because they lack one (they are the byproduct of ethnomixing, as is everyone you could argue, but it's more direct with americans) and this leads them to push this idea of white countries. Pretty much amerimutts think it's okay to come to Europe and mix with the pure ethnicities there, which doesn't sit right with me.
Why?
Whitness is not about skin color, whitness is determined by genetics. Both Meds and Slavs are European (White) because of genetic ancestry
Phenotype/skin color doesn't make them non-white. They are racially European because of genetic ancestry
I dislike pasta and paella (Spanish national food)
I consider meds drugs
Josué Cardenas is based but I'm tired of seeing him giving people false hope about Sánchez leaving the power.
Yes, I think these nationalities are white
Doesn't matter what they say. It's a social construct anyway.
What communism does to a man
Nothing to do with communism. It's a simple fact tbh
People who say races aren't real are either communists who call it a capitalist invention to alienate proletarians or woke freaks who also claim gender is a social construct and being a man or a woman is a freak.
I didn't say races aren't real. Only that they are social constructs. We are in a thread discussing whether meds are white or not. Doesn't get more social constructy than this.
It's not a "capitalist invention" lol
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They are white but the distinction comes from when people say white usually they think Anglo-Saxon but I would call all Europeans white generally
