Discussion Do you believe in telegony?

[PrestonYnot-]

[UWSL]tL;dr: A women carries the DNA of every man she's had sex with and a portion of that DNA passes on to her subsequent children regardless of the 'father'.[/UWSL]

Here are the links explaining it in-depth for anyone who's interested

Male Microchimerism in the Human Female Brain

In humans, naturally acquired microchimerism has been observed in many tissues and organs. Fetal microchimerism, however, has not been investigated in the human brain. Microchimerism of fetal as well as maternal origin has recently been reported in the mouse brain. In this study, we quantified...

journals.plos.org

Male Microchimerism in the Human Female Brain

In humans, naturally acquired microchimerism has been observed in many tissues and organs. Fetal microchimerism, however, has not been investigated in the human brain. Microchimerism of fetal as well as maternal origin has recently been reported in the mouse brain. In this study, we quantified...

journals.plos.org

Male microchimerism in women without sons: quantitative assessment and correlation with pregnancy history - PubMed

Male microchimerism was not infrequent in women without sons. Besides known pregnancies, other possible sources of male microchimerism include unrecognized spontaneous abortion, vanished male twin, an older brother transferred by the maternal circulation, or sexual intercourse. Male...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Overdosed]

Your list is too short and limited. Here's a real catalog.

Transcriptional similarity in couples reveals the impact of shared environment and lifestyle on gene regulation through modified cytosines

Gene expression is a complex and quantitative trait that is influenced by both genetic and non-genetic regulators including environmental factors. Evaluating the contribution of environment to gene expression regulation and identifying which genes are more likely to be influenced by...

peerj.com

Prevalence and persistence of male DNA identified in mixed saliva samples after intense kissing

Identification of foreign biological material by genetic profiling is widely used in forensic DNA testing in different cases of sexual violence, sexual abuse or sexual harassment. In all these kinds of sexual assaults, the perpetrator could constrain the victim to kissing. The value of the...

www.fsigenetics.com

Saliva: Secret Ingredient in the Best Kisses

Kissing unleashes chemicals related to sexual stimulation.

www.livescience.com

Semen makes you happy

Semen makes you happy. That's the remarkable conclusion of an American study which shows that women whose partners don't wear condoms are less depressed than women whose partners do wear condoms. The researchers think this is because semen contains mood-altering hormones which are absorbed...

www.eurekalert.org

Small RNAs Present in Semen and Their Role in Reproduction

Since the discovery of the small noncoding RNAs (sncRNAs), several studies have showed their essential role in the regulation of gene expression in mo…

www.sciencedirect.com

Seminal fluid signaling in the female reproductive tract: lessons from rodents and pigs - PubMed

Seminal fluid contains potent signaling agents that influence female reproductive physiology to improve the chances of conception and pregnancy success. Cytokines and prostaglandins synthesized in the male accessory glands are transferred to the female at insemination, where they bind to...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sperm-Borne miRNAs: A Regulatory Role in the Endometrium Following Mating?

At coitus, seminal fluid acts on epithelial cells lining the cervix and endometrium to induce expression of proinflammatory cytokines and chemokines, which in t

academic.oup.com

Sperm interactions with the female reproductive tract: A key for successful fertilization in mammals

Sperm migration through the female genital tract is not a quiet journey. Uterine contractions quickly operate a drastic selection, leading to a very r…

www.sciencedirect.com

Seminal fluid and fertility in women - PubMed

Seminal fluid is often viewed as simply a vehicle to carry sperm to fertilize the oocyte, but a more complex function in influencing female reproductive physiology is now evident. Remarkably, seminal fluid contains soluble and exosome-born signaling agents that interact with the female...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Revisiting telegony: offspring inherit an acquired characteristic of their mother's previous mate - PubMed

Newly discovered non-genetic mechanisms break the link between genes and inheritance, thereby also raising the possibility that previous mating partners could influence traits in offspring sired by subsequent males that mate with the same female ('telegony'). In the fly Telostylinus...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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Frontiers | Double Stranded RNA in Human Seminal Plasma

Recently, human semen was shown to contain cell-free nucleic acids, such as DNA, long single stranded RNA, and small RNAs–miRNA and piRNA. The RNAs have been...

www.frontiersin.org

Telegony and Epigenetic Inheritance

Since people might say that animal studies don’t apply to telegony, I will use only human studies to put together the telegony story. Making a disclaimer here: animal studies cited here is merely f…

elvinlink.wordpress.com

 

[IamLost]

Telegony is real, but the Jews don't want you to know.

 

[PrestonYnot-]

Your list is too short and limited. Here's a real catalog.

Transcriptional similarity in couples reveals the impact of shared environment and lifestyle on gene regulation through modified cytosines

Gene expression is a complex and quantitative trait that is influenced by both genetic and non-genetic regulators including environmental factors. Evaluating the contribution of environment to gene expression regulation and identifying which genes are more likely to be influenced by...

peerj.com

The Two Become One: The Role of Oxytocin and Vasopression | Physicians for Life

And the Two Shall Become One ...A study of the human biochemistry associated with sexual intercourse suggests there is nothing casual about human sexuality. The

www.physiciansforlife.org

Prevalence and persistence of male DNA identified in mixed saliva samples after intense kissing

Identification of foreign biological material by genetic profiling is widely used in forensic DNA testing in different cases of sexual violence, sexual abuse or sexual harassment. In all these kinds of sexual assaults, the perpetrator could constrain the victim to kissing. The value of the...

www.fsigenetics.com

Saliva: Secret Ingredient in the Best Kisses

Kissing unleashes chemicals related to sexual stimulation.

www.livescience.com

Shaping the oral microbiota through intimate kissing - Microbiome

Background The variation of microbial communities associated with the human body can be the cause of many factors, including the human genetic makeup, diet, age, surroundings, and sexual behavior. In this study, we investigated the effects of intimate kissing on the oral microbiota of 21 couples...

microbiomejournal.biomedcentral.com

Semen makes you happy

Semen makes you happy. That's the remarkable conclusion of an American study which shows that women whose partners don't wear condoms are less depressed than women whose partners do wear condoms. The researchers think this is because semen contains mood-altering hormones which are absorbed...

www.eurekalert.org

Small RNAs Present in Semen and Their Role in Reproduction

Since the discovery of the small noncoding RNAs (sncRNAs), several studies have showed their essential role in the regulation of gene expression in mo…

www.sciencedirect.com

Seminal fluid signaling in the female reproductive tract: lessons from rodents and pigs - PubMed

Seminal fluid contains potent signaling agents that influence female reproductive physiology to improve the chances of conception and pregnancy success. Cytokines and prostaglandins synthesized in the male accessory glands are transferred to the female at insemination, where they bind to...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sperm-Borne miRNAs: A Regulatory Role in the Endometrium Following Mating?

At coitus, seminal fluid acts on epithelial cells lining the cervix and endometrium to induce expression of proinflammatory cytokines and chemokines, which in t

academic.oup.com

Sperm interactions with the female reproductive tract: A key for successful fertilization in mammals

Sperm migration through the female genital tract is not a quiet journey. Uterine contractions quickly operate a drastic selection, leading to a very r…

www.sciencedirect.com

Seminal fluid and fertility in women - PubMed

Seminal fluid is often viewed as simply a vehicle to carry sperm to fertilize the oocyte, but a more complex function in influencing female reproductive physiology is now evident. Remarkably, seminal fluid contains soluble and exosome-born signaling agents that interact with the female...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Revisiting telegony: offspring inherit an acquired characteristic of their mother's previous mate - PubMed

Newly discovered non-genetic mechanisms break the link between genes and inheritance, thereby also raising the possibility that previous mating partners could influence traits in offspring sired by subsequent males that mate with the same female ('telegony'). In the fly Telostylinus...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Redirecting

Frontiers | Double Stranded RNA in Human Seminal Plasma

Recently, human semen was shown to contain cell-free nucleic acids, such as DNA, long single stranded RNA, and small RNAs–miRNA and piRNA. The RNAs have been...

www.frontiersin.org

Telegony and Epigenetic Inheritance

Since people might say that animal studies don’t apply to telegony, I will use only human studies to put together the telegony story. Making a disclaimer here: animal studies cited here is merely f…

elvinlink.wordpress.com

Yea but do you believe in it? There's lot of of evidence for this available online but the sheer DENIAL from males & females alike I've seen is very very strong

 

[Deleted member 36341]

nah
condoms.

 

[LOLI BREEDING]

lol if that shit was true 99% of guys would be tested not father to their own kids. and it makes zero sense. there are much better reasons to feel disgusted by roasties tbh

 

[OwlGod]

no.

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

It’s probably more true mentally than physically.

 

[Remaincel]

Yes 100%

 

[PrestonYnot-]

It’s probably more true mentally than physically.

This is why sluts have a high degree of mental illness, and other neural disease.
If they have more than one males DNA in the brain the chances of mental illness go up exponentially.

56.3% of young liberal women have mental illnesses due to microchimerism/Telegony

https://www.audacy.com/podcasts/american-conservative-university-25894/half-mad-563-of-young-white-liberal-women-diagnosed-with-mental-illness-and-stefan-molyneux-on-women-370009209

View: https://youtu.be/TLcfAeyySzk

 

[PPEcel]

No.

Your linked study on microchimerism in the human female brain completely fails to support "telegony" and your claim that a woman 1) passes on the DNA of every male she's had sex with and 2) passes it onto her children, however you define "passing it".

Did you even read it?

 

[Overdosed]

Yea but do you believe in it? There's lot of of evidence for this available online but the sheer DENIAL from males & females alike I've seen is very very strong

I didn't say I believed in it. The data is too inconclusive to make a general judgement on telegony, but it's not an excuse to not show all or most studies on it.

I think they'll questioned their denial, once they realize that siRNA and mRNA can seep through condoms from men's seminal fluids (not sperm itself).

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

This is why sluts have a high degree of mental illness, and other neural disease.
If they have more than one males DNA in the brain the chances of mental illness go up exponentially.

56.3% of young liberal women have mental illnesses due to microchimerism/Telegony

https://www.audacy.com/podcasts/american-conservative-university-25894/half-mad-563-of-young-white-liberal-women-diagnosed-with-mental-illness-and-stefan-molyneux-on-women-370009209

View: https://youtu.be/TLcfAeyySzk

I assumed that they become “liberal” due to mental health problems, and mentally unwell people are more likely to be more promiscuous. Not sure though.

 

[I want to believe]

Nope, that's kinda BS, you know.

 

[PrestonYnot-]

No.

Your linked study on microchimerism in the human female brain completely fails to support "telegony" and your claim that a woman 1) passes on the DNA of every male she's had sex with and 2) passes it onto her children, however you define "passing it".

Did you even read it?

in a study they proved a description of male MC in the female human brain and specific brain regions. The study was originally trying to determine if women who have been pregnant with a son might be more predisposed to certain neurological diseases since these certain diseases occur more frequently in males.

"Collectively with data showing the presence of male DNA in the cerebrospinal fluid [32], our results indicate that fetal DNA and likely cells can cross the human blood-brain barrier (BBB) and reside in the brain. Changes in BBB permeability occur during pregnancy [33] and may therefore provide a unique opportunity for the establishment of Mc in the brain. Also unique to our study are the findings that male Mc in the human female brain is relatively frequent (positive in 63% of subjects) and distributed in multiple brain regions, and is potentially persistent across the human lifespan (the oldest female in whom male DNA was detected in the brain was 94 years)

when they autopsied the brains of women who had never ever been pregnant they STILL found male DNA prevalent in the female brain.

 

[PPEcel]

in a study they proved a description of male MC in the female human brain and specific brain regions. The study was originally trying to determine if women who have been pregnant with a son might be more predisposed to certain neurological diseases since these certain diseases occur more frequently in males.

"Collectively with data showing the presence of male DNA in the cerebrospinal fluid [32], our results indicate that fetal DNA and likely cells can cross the human blood-brain barrier (BBB) and reside in the brain. Changes in BBB permeability occur during pregnancy [33] and may therefore provide a unique opportunity for the establishment of Mc in the brain. Also unique to our study are the findings that male Mc in the human female brain is relatively frequent (positive in 63% of subjects) and distributed in multiple brain regions, and is potentially persistent across the human lifespan (the oldest female in whom male DNA was detected in the brain was 94 years)

when they autopsied the brains of women who had never ever been pregnant they STILL found male DNA prevalent in the female brain.

So how does that prove "telegony", exactly? [UWSL]What your study demonstrates is that cells (and therefore DNA) from a male fetus can permeate the blood-brain barrier of a pregnant woman. [/UWSL][UWSL]It offers zero support whatsoever for the conclusion that a woman "passes on" DNA from all previous male sexual partners to her offspring, however you define "passing on". [/UWSL]

 

[PrestonYnot-]

So how does that prove "telegony", exactly? [UWSL]What your study demonstrates is that cells (and therefore DNA) from a male fetus can permeate the blood-brain barrier of a pregnant woman. [/UWSL][UWSL]It offers zero support whatsoever for the conclusion that a woman "passes on" DNA from all previous male sexual partners to her offspring, however you define "passing on". [/UWSL]

Not just this one study. Here's more

 

[PPEcel]

Not just this one study. Here's more


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lmao I just can't

That's not a study, that's a screenshot from a badly written blog post written by someone who doesn't understand gene expression. It's an unsubstantiated and quite frankly bizarre leap to go from "male DNA from fetal cells can be found in women's bodies" to "male DNA from fetal cells cause women to develop masculine phenotypes" or "promiscuity causes women to develop masculine phenotypes" or "the children of promiscuous women inherit DNA from not only the father but also his mother's previous sexual partners".

Look, my contention wasn't with the study itself. My contention is that your study didn't even come close to matching your outlandish claims.

 

[PrestonYnot-]

lmao I just can't

That's not a study, that's a screenshot from a badly written blog post written by someone who doesn't understand gene expression. It's an unsubstantiated and quite frankly bizarre leap to go from "male DNA from fetal cells can be found in women's bodies" to "male DNA from fetal cells cause women to develop masculine phenotypes" or "promiscuity causes women to develop masculine phenotypes" or "the children of promiscuous women inherit DNA from not only the father but also his mother's previous sexual partners".

Look, my contention wasn't with the study itself. My contention is that your study didn't even come close to matching your outlandish claims.

Do u personally believe in telegony? I haven't been able to find any concrete evidence for telegony but there are a lot of blog posts on Facebook such as these. I'm not very knowledgeable on this topic

 

[PPEcel]

Do u personally believe it? I haven't been able to find any concrete evidence for telegony but there are a lot of blog posts on Facebook such as these. I'm not very knowledgeable on this topic

No, telegony is pseudoscience, and it's funny that a bunch of boomer crackpots are citing studies they haven't read or don't understand to support their theories.

There are of course fields of study that examine epigenetic inheritance, but by definition that precludes "passing on DNA", since epigenetics examines transcriptional regulation as opposed to changes to the nucleotide sequence,[UWSL] and even so nothing is close to even establishing "telegony". [/UWSL]

 

[Inkblot]

lmao I just can't

That's not a study, that's a screenshot from a badly written blog post written by someone who doesn't understand gene expression. It's an unsubstantiated and quite frankly bizarre leap to go from "male DNA from fetal cells can be found in women's bodies" to "male DNA from fetal cells cause women to develop masculine phenotypes" or "promiscuity causes women to develop masculine phenotypes" or "the children of promiscuous women inherit DNA from not only the father but also his mother's previous sexual partners".

Look, my contention wasn't with the study itself. My contention is that your study didn't even come close to matching your outlandish claims.

Absolutely based.

 

[A981]

No, telegony is pseudoscience, and it's funny that a bunch of boomer crackpots are citing studies they haven't read or don't understand to support their theories.

There are of course fields of study that examine epigenetic inheritance, but by definition that precludes "passing on DNA", since epigenetics examines transcriptional regulation as opposed to changes to the nucleotide sequence,[UWSL] and even so nothing is close to even establishing "telegony". [/UWSL]

I've revisited this recently - the only good and to the point "source" provided seems to be this wordpress article that cites numerous studies: https://elvinlink.wordpress.com/2019/02/24/telegony/
The only issue I've found is that he doesn't explain how the retrotransponsors end up affecting all the eggs, but I'm not an expert. Care to take a look at it for me?

 

[A981]

I've revisited this recently - the only good and to the point "source" provided seems to be this wordpress article that cites numerous studies: https://elvinlink.wordpress.com/2019/02/24/telegony/
The only issue I've found is that he doesn't explain how the retrotransponsors end up affecting all the eggs, but I'm not an expert. Care to take a look at it for me?

Actually he has a pretty sloppy use of all the studies, I'm inclined not to believe him.