Experiment Do You Believe in sub-8 Theory?

[Deleted member 5861]

Do you think it is possible for a man with a 7 rating to bang a girl without being a cuck? Including all possible routes, such as social circle game (but no escorts).
This belief seems very common here, I do not believe in it. I don't think 90%+ men are incel, only the bottom of the bottom. It is growing, but still bottom.

 

[SoCalSuifuel]

It's more like sub-6.

 

[anondump]

I believe in sub 6 theory

 

[Spite]

It's more like sub-6.

 

[Curious0]

Only sub4s are truecels.
Sub8s can easily get a girlfriend or fuck several women but only because chads are not accessible for them at that time.

 

[Weightcel]

A foid can not truly love you if there is no physical attraction. So it's sub-whateverthethresholdforphysicalattractionis

 

[Gremlincel]

I believe all relationships are more or less betabuxx. Relationships are dumb, they don't work in this society anymore, not for long. Love ain't real.
I believe that sub-8 men can get laid though, yeah.

 

[UBERCEL]

Only sub4s are truecels.
Sub8s can easily get a girlfriend or fuck several women but only because chads are not accessible for them at that time.

 

[Figthcel]

8 is too high
But there is a line where he becomes a cuck

 

[UndercovrNormie]

I'd say sub-5 tbh, if it was any higher, this place would be bigger than Facebook.

 

[Gigacel]

I believe in hypergamy and men are getting the short end of the stick.

 

[CopingGymcel]

No. Black and white thinking like that is autistic.

Even a 1/10 could be in a relationship with a 10/10 without it being a beta bux one. I am not saying that has ever happened, but it's certainly possible.

 

[Grotesque]

No, there's plenty of 4-7s that are having casual sex.

 

[Weightcel]

No. Black and white thinking like that is autistic.

Even a 1/10 could be in a relationship with a 10/10 without it being a beta bux one. I am not saying that has ever happened, but it's certainly possible.

[Bluepill]

 

[blackcel]

Most men are having sex.

 

[Princel]

holy fuck you are autistic as fuck. what is a hyperbole? im copy pasta what @Gigacel said in another thread

There are two factors at work here, the issue with hypergamy and availability. The saying with “it’s over for sub 8” is not so much as to say that they don’t get dates/laid, but rather it’s over because they can’t get their looksmatch and have to settle. That has always been the premise of that phrase. And second because of hypergamy, availability of lower tier females are non existent.

It is absolutely true that on average males are getting laid, but it is no where near optimal. So truly incels are now left with no options due to first hypergamy and then availability. It’s no surprise that at the same time when female empowerment and social media, the rise of incels has been increasing.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

holy fuck you are autistic as fuck. what is a hyperbole? im copy pasta what @Gigacel said in another thread

i have seen quite a few posts saying that a 7 may as well be a 3 (as in they get NOTHING). Don't pretend they don't exist.

 

[Weightcel]

i have seen quite a few posts saying that a 7 may as well be a 3 (as in they get NOTHING). Don't pretend they don't exist.

That's not the question your poll asked though...

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

I'd say betabuxx depends on how rotten (probably a lot) the girl is.

Top 50% settle for top third of men and bottom 50% go for the next third.

IDK tbh need a third option.

We should fund some studies or something. The Blackpill brotherhood needs really to dig deeper imho. Maybe I go into exile one time to do this. I am so angry that genderstudies is cucked. Why do we have to do their work? I would leggit sign up, but @Henry de Montherlant already acurately described it's pointless anyway.

 

[tehgymcel420]

I believe all ethnics are betabux or getting cucked.

 

[CopingGymcel]

[Bluepill]

I am saying that everything is ((((possible)))). I am not saying that that would ever happen, but that you can't be all black and white in your thinking. Every time an unattractive guy has a girlfriend everyone yells "betabux" when they literally have no special insight in their relationship. I am not sure if it's a coping mechanism or what it is; when they see ugly guys with girlfriends when they have been unable to get one.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

That's not the question your poll asked though...

well yes I did add the cuck caveat. But still chadlite has to be a cuck? I have seen women betabux FOR a chadlite.

 

[Weightcel]

I am saying that everything is ((((possible)))). I am not saying that that would ever happen, but that you can't be all black and white.

Every time an unattractive guy has a girlfriend everyone yells "betabux" when they literally have no special insight in their relationship.

I'll play along. What reasons do you think a foid would choose to be in a relationship with a guy if she wasn't physically attracted to him?

well yes I did add the cuck caveat. But still chadlite has to be a cuck? I have seen women betabux FOR a chadlite.

What is chadlite to you? A 7?

 

[CopingGymcel]

I'll play along. What reasons do you think a foid would choose to be in a relationship with a guy if she wasn't physically attracted to him?

What if she is attracted to him despite what you think? Let's say she finds that guy you would rate a 3 attractive for some reason.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Even a 1/10 could be in a relationship with a 10/10 without it being a beta bux one. I am not saying that has ever happened, but it's certainly possible.

It's possible in the same sense that it's possible to win the lottery 1,000 times in a row without cheating in any way and only buying 1 ticket each time, or that it's possible for knajjd to beat a prime Mike Tyson that's blood lusted and fighting with his life on the line. Technically the odds aren't zero, they're just 1 in ....like 500 duodecillion.

But there comes a point when the odds are so close to zero, you can pretty much round down to zero.

But just to be clear, I'm not a sub8 theorist....I am, however, very strongly in the "sub 4 theory" camp.

 

[CopingGymcel]

It's possible in the same sense that it's possible to win the lottery 1,000 times in a row without cheating in any way and only buying 1 ticket each time, or that it's possible for knajjd to beat a prime Mike Tyson that's blood lusted and fighting with his life on the line. Technically the odds aren't zero, they're just 1 in ....like 500 duodecillion.

But there comes a point when the odds are so close to zero, you can pretty much round down to zero.

My example was extreme of course, but let's say a 4/10 guy with a 7/10 foid.

 

[Weightcel]

What if she is attracted to him despite what you think? Let's say she finds that guy you would rate a 3 attractive for some reason.

So you think foids can be genuinely physically attracted to an ugly man?

 

[CopingGymcel]

So you think foids can be genuinely physically attracted to an ugly man?

Again, I don't believe in black and white thinking. I think it's very possible. I do think that the vast majority of foids tend to find the same type of guy attractive, which there is a lot of evidence to suggest, but that doesn't mean there doesn't exist a few who don't.

There are billions of foids on this planet, of course there are going to be a few who have odd taste in men.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

What is chadlite to you? A 7?

yes

I'll play along. What reasons do you think a foid would choose to be in a relationship with a guy if she wasn't physically attracted to him?

every rule got an exception. Countless people have survived shooting themselves in the head with a shotgun. There are also women who like cockroaches (extremely rare). I believe that is what he mean. Doesn't mean you should necessarily expect it, though. (and she would simply find the conventionally ugly guy attractive, not that she would choose to date a guy who she isn't attracted to)

 

[Arentheal]

No. Black and white thinking like that is autistic.

Even a 1/10 could be in a relationship with a 10/10 without it being a beta bux one. I am not saying that has ever happened, but it's certainly possible.

I love how everyone parades the exception like it is the rule They say oh look there are many short successful people.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

My example was extreme of course, but let's say a 4/10 guy with a 7/10 foid.

Without betabuxxing? I've never seen this. I'm not saying this has never happened but the odds are still pretty small, albeit not absurdly low.

Instead of knajjd beating a prime tyson....this would be like me beating a prime tyson. Or instead of winning the lottery 1000 times....just winning it once.

 

[CopingGymcel]

I love how everyone parades the exception like it is the rule They say oh look there are many short successful people.

I was using an extreme example there, maybe not the best. But you certainly don't have to be an 8 for foids to find you attractive and for you to have a healthy sex life. Of course a 1/10 is probably not going to lead a healthy sex life, that much is obvious.

Without betabuxxing? I've never seen this. I'm not saying this has never happened but the odds are still pretty small, albeit not absurdly low.

Instead of knajjd beating a prime tyson....this would be like me beating a prime tyson. Or instead of winning the lottery 1000 times....just winning it once.

Again, I have no idea which relationship is betabux and which is not. There is really no sure way to know unless it's extremely obvious, as in the guy is loaded and she seems to detest him. We have no way of knowing which percentage of "below average guys + average or above foid relationship" that involves betabuxing, or which involves some sort of betabuxing, but with some attraction there. We can only speculate.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Again, I have no idea which relationship is betabux and which is not. There is really no sure way to know unless it's extremely obvious, as in the guy is loaded and she seems to detest him. We have no way of knowing which percentage of "below average guys + average or above foid relationship" that involves betabuxing, or which involves some sort of betabuxing, but with some attraction there. We can only speculate.

Suppose you saw a skinny 5'6 guy and a really buff 6'5 guy getting into an argument. They get their hands up, and a physical confrontation appears to be imminent. You don't know either of them....but naturally you are going to assume that the 6'5 buff guy will win unless weapons are involved. This is a very reasonable assumption even though it's technically only an educated guess.

Sure...the skinny 5'6 guy could turn out to be a featherweight amateur boxer with 3 black belts and an iron chin and the 6'5 buff guy could have the reflexes of a turtle and a glass jaw....but the odds of that being the case and the 5'6 guy knocking out the 6'5 buff guy are slim enough that it's very reasonable to assume the opposite will happen...because it probably will.

 

[CopingGymcel]

Suppose you saw a skinny 5'6 guy and a really buff 6'5 guy getting into an argument. They get their hands up, and a physical confrontation appears to be imminent. You don't know either of them....but naturally you are going to assume that the 6'5 buff guy will win unless weapons are involved. This is a very reasonable assumption even though it's only an educated guess.

Sure...the skinny 5'6 guy could turn out to be a featherweight amateur boxer with 3 black belts and an iron chin and the 6'5 buff guy could have the reflexes of a turtle and a glass jaw....but the odds of that being the case and the 5'6 guy knocking out the 6'5 buff guy are slim enough that it's very reasonable to assume the opposite will happen...because it probably will.

I don't think it's that simple tbh. In that case you can assess their physical abilities. You don't really know what goes on in someone's mind or their motivations for things they do. You can make an educated guess, but you're not always going to be right.

I am not denying that some relationships are built around money and providing, but we can't really know how many of them are or just make assumptions that it's always the case, which a lot of people on here tend to do.

I definitely think there are a lot of cases where the foid actually finds the guy attractive for some reason despite us rating him below average that we just write off as "betabuxing."

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

I am not denying that some relationships are built around money and providing, but we can't really know how many of them are or just make assumptions that it's always the case, which a lot of people on here tend to do.

Providing is a part of male biological instinct. Seeking a provider is a part of female biological instinct.

Before I continue I want to see if you agree with both of these statements.

 

[CopingGymcel]

Providing is part of the biological role of men. Seeking a provider is part of the biological role of women.

Before I continue I want to see if you agree with both of these statements.

Of course, I agree, I just don't think that we should come too conclusions too hastily and that we should open our minds to other possibilities and not be so black and white thinking at all times.

What about this scenario, what if this is actually how most betabuxing happens/is:

The guy approaches the foid in an attempt to make her his girlfriend. The foid finds him mildly attractive, but doesn't feel any strong attraction. Because she is mildly attracted to him (there are no huge sparks flying and he doesn't make her overly wet), she still decides to give him a chance because he could also take good care of her and her offspring, and besides her time is running out and she needs a baby right now.

Isn't it possible that there is a very slight attraction there even in most betabux relationships even if it's not very strong?

 

[Weightcel]

I am not denying that some relationships are built around money and providing, but we can't really know how many of them are or just make assumptions that it's always the case, which a lot of people on here tend to do.

Women only find a small percentage of men truly physically attractive. Agree or disagree?

 

[CopingGymcel]

Women only find a small percentage of men truly physically attractive. Agree or disagree?

To some degree. If you mean men they are very attracted to, then yes, but I do think they can be attracted to lesser attractive men (sub 8s), just not to the same degree that they would find Chad attractive. I think attraction is on a spectrum for them and Chad tops the meter.

 

[Weightcel]

To some degree. If you mean men they are very attracted to, then yes, but I do think they can be attracted to lesser attractive men (sub 8s), just not to the same degree that they would find Chad attractive. I think attraction is on a spectrum for them and Chad tops the meter.

What's your opinion on that OkCupid study where women rated 80% of men as unattractive?

 

[CopingGymcel]

What's your opinion on that OkCupid study where women rated 80% of men as unattractive?

I think it's a bit exaggerated. I think online dating is an exaggerated version of reality. Do I think that most foids find most guys unattractive? Yes. But do I think it's as high as 80%? No.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Isn't it possible that there is a very slight attraction there even in most betabux relationships even if it's not very strong?

In most? Certainly not. In some? obviously.

I'd go as far as to say there's some even in a significant minority of betabux relationships.

But if the betabux guy is 1.5/10 like that ultra incel guy I always post, then the odds become astronomically lower. Like we're getting close to knajjd beating a prime tyson odds.

 

[Weightcel]

I think it's a bit exaggerated. I think online dating is an exaggerated version of reality. Do I think that most foids find most guys unattractive? Yes. But do I think it's as high as 80%? No.

What's the percentage of men that foids find unattractive in your opinion?

 

[CopingGymcel]

What's the percentage of men that foids find unattractive in your opinion?

I have no idea. I'm an incel, remember? My guess would be as good as yours tbh.

For all we know it could be 90% of men are unattractive to them or 40%. I have no idea.

The study says 80%, but what we see out in the real world doesn't seem to support that unless all women are evil and are just taking guys for a ride and their money, but I don't think that's the case. I see girls passionately kissing and holding hands with their 4 and 5/10 boyfriends, being all lovely-dovey. Seems like they should get an academy award if it's all an act.

 

[Weightcel]

I have no idea. I'm an incel, remember? My guess would be as good as yours tbh.

How can you dismiss the number the study gave so easily when you have no opinion of your own? This is sounding more and more like a cope.

 

[CopingGymcel]

How can you dismiss the number the study gave so easily when you have no opinion of your own? This is sounding more and more like a cope.

I didn't dismiss it, I gave you my opinion. I said that I THINK that it's exaggerated. You asked for my opinion, remember? It could very well be that the study is 100% correct, that could very well be true.

Also, this thread is asking if we BELIEVE in sub 8 theory, not whether it is true or not.

 

[Deleted member 10314]

Only sub4s are truecels.
Sub8s can easily get a girlfriend or fuck several women but only because chads are not accessible for them at that time.

Are manlets sub 8 or sub 6?

 

[CopingGymcel]

Are manlets sub 8 or sub 6?

We use ratings for face only. You can have an 8/10 face and be a midget. That's why someone like Knajjd is fucked. Pretty boy with 7ish face, but midget height.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

What's your opinion on that OkCupid study where women rated 80% of men as unattractive?

while it certainly proves that women are pickier than men, you also need to take into account that low tier men are much much more likely to resort to online dating than more attractive men.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

@CopingGymcel The point I'm trying to make here is that it is perfectly reasonable to make assumptions based on general knowledge of biology and human nature. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that something that has a very low (but higher than zero) probability of happening, won't happen.

It is literally impossible to only make assumptions and decisions if you have a definitive amount of knowledge of every variable that could possibly be at play. When you get in your car and drive...you're assuming nobody cut your break line. When you go outside, you're assuming that the ground you're stepping on doesn't have a landmine underneath it.

All that aside...I'll ask you this:

Do you believe that sub 4 theory is generally true?

 

[CopingGymcel]

while it certainly proves that women are pickier than men, you also need to take into account that low tier men are much much more likely to resort to online dating than more attractive men.

That is also true. If you go to OKcupid, you'll notice how shit most of guys look, so if they were actually using the profile pics of members, then that would explain a lot.