Discussion Did Putin fuck up in Ukraine?

[Fallenleaves]

He failed to take Kyiv within a week and now occupies around 20% of Ukraine but the war has caused Finland to join Nato recently.

Has Putin's plan to invade Ukraine backfired?

 

[parzurnacs]

Afaik they only used a very small amount of their military force when the invasion started.

A wolf should use all of his capacities even when catching a rabbit.

 

[Waco]

its a staged war
nothing is happening, every major leader is an actor working for the shadowy elites

 

[Robb97]

He should threaten to nuke the west. And then when western troops leave ukraine, he should send the nukes nevertheless jfl

 

[Fallenleaves]

He should threaten to nuke the west. And then when western troops leave ukraine, he should send the nukes nevertheless jfl

He won't use nukes jfl

 

[Fallenleaves]

its a staged war
nothing is happening, every major leader is an actor working for the shadowy elites

Putin seems like a strong man

 

[Robb97]

He won't use nukes jfl

I wish he did

 

[Mortis]

its a staged war
nothing is happening, every major leader is an actor working for the shadowy elites

True!

 

[EnglishCel]

It's a fake war.

 

[PersonalityChad]

He failed to take Kyiv within a week

Holy shit you're a fucking idiot
Russia isn't here to capture territory, Russia is here to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, aka to destroy the enemy. Is the enemy being destroyed? Yes.

 

[accelERationist]

He should threaten to nuke the west. And then when western troops leave ukraine, he should send the nukes nevertheless jfl

Let's pose this in a different way: If your capital city was nuked, would it improve your country?

Finland and yes. Capital cities are liberal and cancer, doubly so if they're also a port city.

 

[Waco]

Putin seems like a strong man

hes a tool

 

[nazianime]

He celebrated too quick, he literally thought he was going to walk into Ukraine and there was going to welcome the Russian soldiers. It as a bad plan not to invade with heavy forces, decided to cheap out and paid the price with a drawn out war.

 

[Med Amine]

tbh i am not watching the news of the ukranian war anymore since there're nothing interesting happening these days.
but it seems he's losing hard these days and soon enough his holy war will be over and he will probably not be president anymore
anyway it was entertaining to see this shit nonetheless

 

[Fallenleaves]

Holy shit you're a fucking idiot
Russia isn't here to capture territory, Russia is here to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, aka to destroy the enemy. Is the enemy being destroyed? Yes.

Capturing territory and replacing Zelensky with a pro Russian puppet is the most effective way of 'denazifying' and 'demiliatarising' Ukraine, reversing the orange revolution of 2004.

 

[Fallenleaves]

hes a tool

But he doesn't look like one, he has a great image

 

[Waco]

But he doesn't look like one, he has a great image

appearance is everything

 

[My Name Jeff]

Afaik they only used a very small amount of their military force when the invasion started.

A wolf should use all of his capacities even when catching a rabbit.

there was a resistance in ukraine already, pro-russia

russia gave them old weapons and uniforms to use. this backfired as every western country threw in immense funding and equipment to basically fund a proxy war against russia. russia wasn't expecting this and has been slow to react.

i don't think it was a mistake, ukraine is a massive strategic country to take over for russia and their population will assimilate well.

 

[My Name Jeff]

its a staged war
nothing is happening, every major leader is an actor working for the shadowy elites

nothing ever happens !!!

 

[subhuman]

Afaik they only used a very small amount of their military force when the invasion started.

A wolf should use all of his capacities even when catching a rabbit.

Supply is the bottleneck. The area they’re in is a massive shithole and it’s hard to supply all the troops and prevent your armies from being overextended. I remember at the begging of the war the Ukrainians just destroyed all the roads as they retreated so the Russians had like 1 working highway that had a convoy many miles long backed up.

 

[Fallenleaves]

appearance is everything

I have been thoroughly fooled

 

[ConservativeCel]

Afaik they only used a very small amount of their military force when the invasion started.

A wolf should use all of his capacities even when catching a rabbit.

Wrong. Russia's army's real fighting forces were the so-called elite troops/mercenaries that got decimated so bad that in order to avoid Ukraine recapturing all territory it lost post February 2022, Putin had to mobilize reserves last September which cost him popular support but merely function as a surrogate to his well-trained forces. The numerical superiority matters little: the West and the Soviet bloc military aid bought with Persian Gulf statelets finances helped Iraq survive years of struggle against Iran which had a much bigger population and was on offensive before finally giving up in 1988.

Russian professional army was also way below US standards; its reserves essentially function as cannon fodder. That's what Russian "military doctrine" has been and is vis-a-vis training conscripts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina

If the West keeps propping up Ukraine and their civilians don't get utterly exhausted, they can go on for a year or so and have Russia expelled from most of the territories it has seized.

 

[Waco]

nothing ever happens !!!

 

[parzurnacs]

Supply is the bottleneck. The area they’re in is a massive shithole and it’s hard to supply all the troops and prevent your armies from being overextended. I remember at the begging of the war the Ukrainians just destroyed all the roads as they retreated so the Russians had like 1 working highway that had a convoy many miles long backed up.

Wrong. Russia's army's real fighting forces were the so-called elite troops/mercenaries that got decimated so bad that in order to avoid Ukraine recapturing all territory it lost post February 2022, Putin had to mobilize reserves last September which cost him popular support but merely function as a surrogate to his well-trained forces. The numerical superiority matters little: the West and the Soviet bloc military aid bought with Persian Gulf statelets finances helped Iraq survive years of struggle against Iran which had a much bigger population and was on offensive before finally giving up in 1988.

Russian professional army was also way below US standards; its reserves essentially function as cannon fodder. That's what Russian "military doctrine" has been and is vis-a-vis training conscripts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina

If the West keeps propping up Ukraine and their civilians don't get utterly exhausted, they can go on for a year or so and have Russia expelled from most of the territories it has seized.

Interesting, it seems then that Russia started this invasion with very bad planification in general and now there's no turning back for them.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Russia has too much corruption and in the military every person pockets some money from the budget. This has fucked them over.

 

[Fallenleaves]

Russia has too much corruption and in the military every person pockets some money from the budget. This has fucked them over.

Wagner seems to be doing well

 

[ConservativeCel]

Interesting, it seems then that Russia started this invasion with very bad planification in general and now there's no turning back for them.

The single most fatal decision was Russian political leadership's: Putin and his closest toadies - insistence to attack from very many different directions, contrary to his generals' advice.

Actually there was only one direction where Russia was offered little resistance: Kherson axis. It's unknown whether Ukraine simply didn't have any troops for serious resistance left there or if its was incompetence/planning failure on UKR side.

 

[Fallenleaves]

The single most fatal decision was Russian political leadership's: Putin and his closest toadies - insistence to attack from very many different directions, contrary to his generals' advice.

Why is attacking from many directions a bad thing?

 

[ConservativeCel]

Why is attacking from many directions a bad thing?

One article says it "set the stage for the disruption". https://sceeus.se/en/publications/russias-military-failures-in-ukraine-causes-and-consequences/ Under heading "Militarism" (yeah, not a good choice for heading, but the text makes sense).

I think disruption also refers to catastrophe of logistics: Russia never really controlled the swathes of territories in the North-East.
They advanced in an uncoordinated manner everywhere, and as to Kiev These forces had no chance of capturing a city with a population of close to 3 million. Only the expectation of an absence of organized resistance can explain the advance of army columns without proper reconnaissance and air defence cover.

The first time I thought Ukraine might even survive was when seeing various amateur recordings of Russian columns approaching Kiev and already inside Kharkiv, where they apparently didn't have a clue what to do and started suffering horrible losses from just Ukrainian paramilitary. All this gave vibes that it's either 1) 1994 Grozny again; 2) just a halfhazard undertaking like China's invasion of Vietnam 1979 where Chinese retreated after declaring their aim of "punishing Vietnam" was achieved, despite actually been driven off.

I thought in March 2022 that Putin might withdraw declaring he had "succesfully de-militarized Ukraine", after seeing that he won't capture all the country without sacrificing his best troops. I misunderstimated Russian dictator's determination to send tens of thousands of his soldiers to death. In 1979, China decided to avoid an assault on Hanoi, because they apparently calculated that their own losses would be too heavy.