Demons are a girls best friend

[ServusLuciferi]

View: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VhhEnM-wdhU


This faggot ass simp song was supposed to be about how women need not be sexually repressed anymore, even if it means fucking (literally fucking) demons. How “I can be your bad boy” to liberate your body.

[UWSL]But honestly, there is a deep truth to the lyrics of the song. Demons are literally a woman’s best friend. Her circle of “friends” who are obsessed with nothing more than passive aggressive dominance rituals and gossip about what boy they are fucking. “Sarah, is that a brand new pair of leggings? Oh my god that is so cute, its a little more revealing than what I would wear but wow, it is like so cute”[/UWSL]

[UWSL]And of course her knights in shining armor, either in the category of ugly effeminate piece of shit simping to get laid like a dog that needs to hump her leg, or handsome stud muffin that pumps and dumps her after having his fun.[/UWSL]


[UWSL]Literal demons. May they rot in the grave dirt. [/UWSL]

[UWSL](BTW, [/UWSL]Band is unironically a bunch of autistic dysgenic history nerds who have never seen a vagina before dressing up to be “evil” and “dark”.)

 

[Schery6]

I'm gonna cream to the thumbnail

 

[ServusLuciferi]

I do not serve Lucifer.

You have literally gone mentally insane from how much irony you are seeped in, I wonder if you unironically hallucinate demons

 

[El Enemigo]

They like the bad boys

 

[ServusLuciferi]

No. Why is your name 'ServusLuciferi'?

Why not? I’m pretty much archetypally Lucifer, rejecting my place in the angelic hierarchy (humanity) out of a desire to become something greater than myself, now I’m alone lurking in the abyss.

 

[ServusLuciferi]

You are not "archetypally Lucifer" you are esoterically worshipping the idea of Lucifer(Bacchus/Pan).

Lucider is dead along with the god he rivaled against. Move on.

There is no angelic hierarchy (what are you talking about anyways?).

Pan is commonly known as a son of Dionysus, similarly Lucifer is a Christianized conception of evil; he is a character invented to contrasts the goodness of the Christian triad(Christ/Yahweh/Holy spirit).

Lucifer, like Pan or Bacchus, is depicted a goat with a phallus and testicles (the masculine trinity). He thus contrasts the divine trinity(Christianized good) with an animal(superficially evil) trinity.

Are you a Satyr?

You are not a meme.

Sweet a schizo. Did I ever say I unironically worship Lucifer as a theistic entity my friend?

Also what the hell are you talking about mythology wise, Lucifer is just the Christianitized version of the Jewish Samael - the addition of Roman pagan characteristics to him (Poseidon’s trident, goat horns, Roman soldier / aristocratic depictions) goes back to Judaism identifying Rome’s guardian angel with Samael and thus identifying the Roman gods with Samael.

 

[Schery6]

Sweet a schizo. Did I ever say I unironically worship Lucifer as a theistic entity my friend?

Also what the hell are you talking about mythology wise, Lucifer is just the Christianitized version of the Jewish Samael - the addition of Roman pagan characteristics to him (Poseidon’s trident, goat horns, Roman soldier / aristocratic depictions) goes back to Judaism identifying Rome’s guardian angel with Samael and thus identifying the Roman gods with Samael.

cope cope cope cope cope cope we're all ugly and short and gonna die alone

 

[ServusLuciferi]

Lucifer is dead along with the god he rivaled against. Move on.

Jewish mythology is far more interesting than Marvel superhero films.

 

[ServusLuciferi]

cope cope cope cope cope cope we're all ugly and short and gonna die alone

 

[Rimiru]

They like the bad boys

wouldnt be surprised if a foid wrote a book trying to "fix" satan himself

 

[K9Otaku]

I think the Christian Satan became abstracted from Samael as it was obscured by the image of Pan and Bacchus.

This is probably correct and the medieval Satan probably includes many other accretions.

However, the main Christian meaning of the Devil is the inversion of the Messiah. In pre-Christian Judaism, the Messiah is a successful world-conquering warlord (most likely modeled after Alexander the great aka Iskander) In Christianity, this warlike messiah is demoted to become the anti-Messiah Bar-abbas, while Jesus Christ (i.e. Jesus the Messiah) becomes the anti-warlike crucified loser-savior who wins because he loses (and thus draws away from the believer the temptation to follow Barabbas).

In this new reinterpretation of the Messiah, Lucifer is the sponsor of Barabbas, while "The father" is Christ's sponsor. The Devil became an important character in order to create that symmetry (probably with some Zoroastrian dualistic influence)

Our brocel @ServusLuciferi in truth wants to be Barabbas, the wannabe world conqueror, because he thinks that such characters get all the broads. To a certain extent, this is correct. Unfortunately for our brocel, those Alexander-like characters are generally Chads to begin with ...

No one ever heard of a Gollum-like Messiah

 

[MarquisDeSade]

Yeah, I've noticed there is a big trend with New Ageism and stuff like Wicca with foids these days, not just millennial women either but quite a few from generation z as well. It's actually pretty funny because if these bitches were in a majority of past ancient civilizations from whence all those beliefs come from a majority of the men back then would put them in their place very quickly. Watching these new age bitches is a real treat and very amusing because their female liberation bullshit wouldn't fly in a majority of ancient pagan cultures. I say that as a pagan man myself.

In all actuality and very ironically also, feminism historically in all actuality is a by-product of politically reformed Christianity, simple facts.
[One of many reasons why I despise Christianity along with all Abrahamic religions.]

In ancient Rome or Greece for instance, a feminist woman espousing female liberation would have been beaten and assaulted off the streets. Women were shamed, scorned, or ridiculed publicly for not having husbands, etc.

 

[Izayacel]

They like the bad boys

Iam Luther the unfortunate fallen

 

[ServusLuciferi]

Do you? Even if you do not it is peculiar that you want to represent yourself as Lucifer.

No, I don’t, I’m not a theist. Maybe his spooky magic is influencing my mind.

Representing myself: It’s really not, ever read Paradise Lost?

 

[ServusLuciferi]

@ServusLuciferi in truth wants to be Barabbas, the wannabe world conqueror, because he thinks that such characters get all the broads. To a certain extent, this is correct. Unfortunately for our brocel, those Alexander-like characters are generally Chads to begin with ...

No one ever heard of a Gollum-like Messiah

I think there’s a certain honor for a man, no matter how flawed, to conquer himself and do his best to exercise his will to power to accomplish what he wills.

What you also fail to realize is that the same applies to the monk. You will never be canonized if you are average.

 

[K9Otaku]

In ancient Rome or Greece for instance, a feminist woman espousing female liberation would have been beaten and assaulted off the streets. Women were shamed, scorned, or ridiculed publicly for not having husbands, etc.

In the lower classes, this is true.

However, upper-class women were often quite degenerate. Many Roman senators were apparently openly cuckolded by their crazy bitch wives and could do little about it. In Sparta, of all places, women could inherit and widows therefore led quite independent lives. This apparently played a role in the decline of the city.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

In the lower classes, this is true.

However, upper-class women were often quite degenerate. Many Roman senators were apparently openly cuckolded by their crazy bitch wives and could do little about it. In Sparta, of all places, women could inherit and widows therefore led quite independent lives. This apparently played a role in the decline of the city.

Sparta was the exception and there was a variety of Athenian writers that complained endlessly about Spartan traditions including their lax oversight of females. [Athenians didn't put up with that bullshit, by comparison, not many other Greek city-states either.]

It depends on what Roman aristocrat we're talking about because quite a few had their wives murdered rather than going through the proceedings of a public divorce for instance. But yes, male cucks have always existed ever since ancient times of antiquity in one form or another, the difference is that in ancient times they were the minority, not the majority of the population that they are now.

 

[K9Otaku]

I think there’s a certain honor for a man, no matter how flawed, to conquer himself and do his best to exercise his will to power to accomplish what he wills.

That is classic Nietzschean bullshit.

No man can exercise his will to power, let alone an incel. Humans are language-bound creatures. Using language forces us to accept to be transcended by it (we have to follow its rules). As soon as you accept a transcendence of any kind, the whole Nietzschean construction evaporates.

 

[ServusLuciferi]

This is probably correct and the medieval Satan probably includes many other accretions.

However, the main Christian meaning of the Devil is the inversion of the Messiah. In pre-Christian Judaism, the Messiah is a successful world-conquering warlord (most likely modeled after Alexander the great aka Iskander) In Christianity, this warlike messiah is demoted to become the anti-Messiah Bar-abbas, while Jesus Christ (i.e. Jesus the Messiah) becomes the anti-warlike crucified loser-savior who wins because he loses (and thus draws away from the believer the temptation to follow Barabbas).

In this new reinterpretation of the Messiah, Lucifer is the sponsor of Barabbas, while "The father" is Christ's sponsor. The Devil became an important character in order to create that symmetry (probably with some Zoroastrian dualistic influence)

Our brocel @ServusLuciferi in truth wants to be Barabbas, the wannabe world conqueror, because he thinks that such characters get all the broads. To a certain extent, this is correct. Unfortunately for our brocel, those Alexander-like characters are generally Chads to begin with ...

No one ever heard of a Gollum-like Messiah

Also, Samael was the patron angel of the Roman Empire - something the Jews still believe about European Gentiles (whom we are descendants from). Part of the reason why imo the Jewish Messiah became warped from an earthly emperor to a “not if this world” emperor.

Christianity was an organic result of 2nd Temple Judaism, where morality became ascetic after the warrior victories of the Jews came to an end facing the blunt boot of the Romans.

 

[K9Otaku]

[Athenians didn't put up with that bullshit.]

But they were faggots

the difference is that in ancient times they were the minority, not the majority of the population that they are now.

Yes, but this minority is what the Wiccan bitches have in mind.

 

[K9Otaku]

Also, Samael was the patron angel of the Roman Empire - something the Jews still believe about European Gentiles (whom we are descendants from). Part of the reason why imo the Jewish Messiah became warped from an earthly emperor to a “not if this world” emperor.

Christianity was an organic result of 2nd Temple Judaism, where morality became ascetic after the warrior victories of the Jews came to an end facing the blunt boot of the Romans.

You will have to do better than this if you want to make credible claims about Christianity (disclaimer: I am not a Christian)

 

[MarquisDeSade]

But they were faggots

Yes, but this minority is what the Wiccan bitches have in mind.

Wiccans delude themselves hence why I find them hilariously amusing.

Yes, faggotry like cucks have also existed since ancient times of antiquity, same thing implies, they were a minority in ancient times versus a large majority of today. There were a variety of ancient Greek and Roman writers who actually complained about faggotry saying it was a sign of their civilization's impending decline, go figure.

 

[ServusLuciferi]

That is classic Nietzschean bullshit.

No man can exercise his will to power, let alone an incel. Humans are language-bound creatures. Using language forces us to accept to be transcended by it (we have to follow its rules). As soon as you accept a transcendence of any kind, the whole Nietzschean construction evaporates.

You are on this website. You know as well as I do that our “transcendence” - if not firmly rooted in, is deeply influenced by our “flesh” so to speak.

When you go to Church, you see beautiful paintings of beautiful human beings, a divine depiction of Pre-Fallen Adam for all of us. Regardless of how reflective of life that is. And that’s because our conception of “transcendence” is rooted in the biological (if not a product thereof).

Why then, should we reject our inner biology? Why not use it to become the best version of ourselves and achieve dominance? Even if we aren’t top dog in the genetic hierarchy, I don’t get what the harm is in both embracing your flesh and spirit.

 

[ServusLuciferi]

You will have to do better than this if you want to make credible claims about Christianity (disclaimer: I am not a Christian)

The Book of Enoch and the Testament of Solomon, both 2nd Temple Period books, were widely shared among Jews and Christians interchangeably.

The latter serves as a building block for many of the practices you see in Kabbalah, yet it explicitly - explicitly - identifies Jesus as the Messiah. The former has very non-Maimonidean and more non-monistic conceptions of God, and reflects a cosmology closely more aligned with Christianity than Judaism (where angels can rebel against God).

That’s not to mention that there were multiple schools of Judaism among the 2nd Temple Period (such division you see remains today with the Hasidics v. Talmudics), and it’s not sufficient to simply claim that the Pharisees were the exclusive theological authority during that time period.

The Book of Acts explicitly says that the Apostles would worship in the Temple on Saturdays - and presumably recreate the Last Supper during Sundays?
Jesus was just one school of Judaism that morphed into its own Judeo-Roman mish mash creature when they started allowing Gentiles to intermarry the Jews, outbreeding the Jews who once started the religion.

I mean the Book of Revelation identifies Rome as Satan’s empire. Like

 

[ServusLuciferi]

You will have to do better than this if you want to make credible claims about Christianity (disclaimer: I am not a Christian)

Also are you a Jewcel? Go get laid on birth-right you dumb fuck, I say that as a demonic gentile.

 

[K9Otaku]

Why then, should we reject our inner biology? Why not use it to become the best version of ourselves and achieve dominance?

Because living in a civilization forces us to repress many of our biological instincts, and in particular the dominant male instinct which is the genetic basis of Nietzsche's "will to power"

Our biology is the result of evolution, the majority of which we spent living as hunter gatherers.

The switch to farming, then to living in cities, then to the industrial/technocratic lifestyle was only possible because we invented cultural methods to repress the instincts that were no longer useful (or downright nefarious) in these contexts.

The main problem is that our older, pre-human, sexual instincts (including the dominant male one) are in contradiction with our linguistic instincts. No one said that evolution resulted in a perfect product. If we start to un-repress these old instincts, we start losing the benefits of language very fast. Which means we become weak. All our strength today rests on technology, ie on language-driven cooperation.

Nietzche's 'will to power', if pursued in earnest, just leads to pre-civilizational powerlessness; the exact opposite of "dominance"

That is why there are only fake Nietzcheans today, like the PoMo deconstructivist Boomers.

Even if we aren’t top dog in the genetic hierarchy, I don’t get what the harm is in both embracing your flesh and spirit.

If you behave like a dog, you are powerless like a dog.

We cannot embrace all of our flesh because its parts at odds with each other. We have to choose the parts we want to enhance (like language) and the one we need to repress (like the alpha-male urges)

 

[K9Otaku]

Also are you a Jewcel? Go get laid on birth-right you dumb fuck, I say that as a demonic gentile.

Nope. I am Jap

 

[MarquisDeSade]

The Book of Enoch and the Testament of Solomon, both 2nd Temple Period books, were widely shared among Jews and Christians interchangeably.

The latter serves as a building block for many of the practices you see in Kabbalah, yet it explicitly - explicitly - identifies Jesus as the Messiah. The former has very non-Maimonidean and more non-monistic conceptions of God, and reflects a cosmology closely more aligned with Christianity than Judaism (where angels can rebel against God).

That’s not to mention that there were multiple schools of Judaism among the 2nd Temple Period (such division you see remains today with the Hasidics v. Talmudics), and it’s not sufficient to simply claim that the Pharisees were the exclusive theological authority during that time period.

The Book of Acts explicitly says that the Apostles would worship in the Temple on Saturdays - and presumably recreate the Last Supper during Sundays?
Jesus was just one school of Judaism that morphed into its own Judeo-Roman mish mash creature when they started allowing Gentiles to intermarry the Jews, outbreeding the Jews who once started the religion.

I mean the Book of Revelation identifies Rome as Satan’s empire. Like

The first Christians were Jews, the so-called figure Jesus wasn't actually trying to create a new religion at all, instead, he was trying to reform Judaism creating a Jewish reformation. [They killed him for it.] Christianity as a word, title, name, or description didn't exist until the Jewish apostle Paul decided to convert the gentiles something the Jewish apostle Peter was firmly against doing. As for Satan or Lucifer, some say it was an original Caanite, Akkadian, or Babylon God of the Mesopotamian ancient era that the Jews decided to make into the proverbial boogeyman. Still, others would say it is the Jewish God entirely inverted. The visual descriptions of Baphomet of course completely stolen from the Greek Pan or Roman Faunus. The hermaphrodite detail stole from a former Babylonian previous historical contemporary.

 

[K9Otaku]

The Book of Enoch and the Testament of Solomon, both 2nd Temple Period books, were widely shared among Jews and Christians interchangeably.

The BoE is indeed Jewish. The ToS may have started as a Jewish text but it was heavily revised in the early Christian period. We only have that later version.

The latter serves as a building block for many of the practices you see in Kabbalah

That is debatable. Some pre-Kabbalah was certainly floating around when the ToS was initially written but it is very unlikely that later Jewish mysticism depends only, or even mainly, on its contents.

yet it explicitly - explicitly - identifies Jesus as the Messiah.

Again, the only version we have is a heavily Christianized one.

The Book of Acts explicitly says that the Apostles would worship in the Temple on Saturdays

Yeah, they were Jews. No surprise here.

- and presumably recreate the Last Supper during Sundays?

According to the NT, the Last Supper happened only once (by definition). Then of course the practice of the Eucharist (the commemoration of the LS) started to develop among early Christians. Acts is not very clear on the specifics

Jesus was just one school of Judaism that morphed into its own Judeo-Roman mish mash creature when they started allowing Gentiles to intermarry the Jews, outbreeding the Jews who once started the religion.

Christianity is far from a "Mish-Mash". This word is only a reflection of your own confusion about it.

Christianity is the most effective method of mental cleansing that was ever developed. Its origins include Indian influences much more than Roman or Greek ones (except in the language used). Christianity is a form of theistic Yoga (like the contemporary pre-Vaishnavite Bhagavata Bhakti Yoga). The crucifixion and the inversion of the Messiah figure are mental conditioning tools (Asanas, if you will) that make it far more potent than any of its competitors.

Of course, Christianity is now a spent force, mostly because its vocabulary has been made obsolete by its own success. However, it remains mankind's greatest achievement in the field of spiritual technology.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

The BoE is indeed Jewish. The ToS may have started as a Jewish text but it was heavily revised in the early Christian period. We only have that later version.

That is debatable. Some pre-Kabbalah was certainly floating around when the ToS was initially written but it is very unlikely that later Jewish mysticism depends only, or even mainly, on its contents.

Again, the only version we have is a heavily Christianized one.

Yeah, they were Jews. No surprise here.

According to the NT, the Last Supper happened only once (by definition). Then of course the practice of the Eucharist (the commemoration of the LS) started to develop among early Christians. Acts is not very clear on the specifics

Christianity is far from a "Mish-Mash". This word is only a reflection of your own confusion about it.

Christianity is the most effective method of mental cleansing that was ever developed. Its origins include Indian influences much more than Roman or Greek ones (except in the language used). Christianity is a form of theistic Yoga (like the contemporary pre-Vaishnavite Bhagavata Bhakti Yoga). The crucifixion and the inversion of the Messiah figure are mental conditioning tools (Asanas, if you will) that make it far more potent than any of its competitors.

Of course, Christianity is now a spent force, mostly because its vocabulary has been made obsolete by its own success. However, it remains mankind's greatest achievement in the field of spiritual technology.

Yes, it's a wonderful religious and spiritual tool of enslavement as it teaches pacifism in all forms rendering all humans to exist as pacified bovines crawling on all fours centered around social egalitarian fictions, delusions, or outright lies. That's what Christianity is, hence the modern west.

 

[ServusLuciferi]

[UWSL]We cannot embrace all of our flesh because its parts at odds with each other. We have to choose the parts we want to enhance (like language) and the one we need to repress (like the alpha-male urges)[/UWSL]

It really isn’t as black and white as that.

First of all, I’m not advocating us to revert to a purely impulsive existence. That’s a straw man. We should embrace those higher metaphysical components of who we are, with our divine-inspired will, soul, and intelligence.

But much like God fucking the void to create life, our animalistic instincts have intercourse with our spiritual instincts to create higher conceptions of being. Our conceptions of “Romance” for instance our nothing more than a product of our animalistic instincts to reproduce having intercourse with our “language” ideas. Our “love”, same thing; our instinctual altruism rooted in our biological urges to ensure the survival of the young intercoursing with language.

To me, living purely up in the clouds, trying to run away from who you truly are in your core, is literally no different than reducing yourself to an animalistic impulsive existence. It’s a denial of who you are as a human being, with that “divine spark”.

It’s one small feet to kill the inner lion lurking in the darkest recesses of your mind, it’s a massive accomplishment to command that lion on a leash.

To me that’s why the image of Lucifer is so appealing. Always striving, no matter how painful, even if he must burn for eternity, to become something greater than himself, while never denying who he truly is. “I am God.”

 

[K9Otaku]

Yes, it's a wonderful religious and spiritual tool of enslavement as it teaches pacifism in all forms rendering all humans to exist as pacified bovines crawling on all fours centered around social egalitarian fictions, delusions, or outright lies. That's what Christianity is, hence the modern west.

You prefer to live in a small village in the forest or in a few wagons in the steppe? That is what true "paganism", in its indo-European form will allow you to do.

Greek, Roman or Hindu paganism are hybrid Mesopotamian-Indo-European constructions which are inherently unstable. If you are ok with an iron-age style series of boom-and bust cycles, be my guest.

Being a domesticated animal is all a human can be if he wants to fully reap the benefits of language. Assembly-line jobs and white-collar cubicles definitively prove that. The progress of language-based cooperation (industry, tech) can only be achieved by humans who accept to dilute their sense of individuality into an ever stronger sense of transcendence.

That is why the West is declining today. Boomers have convinced most of us that we can be individuals now (to the point of changing our sex at will) The result is that the worldwide network of economic actors that we called "globalization" is crumbling. Our standards of living are going to drastically decline as a result. And I mean drastically.

 

[UnendingRuin]

I am really glad that "Metalgate" never took of as Gamergate did. There was an effort in the mid 10's of soy "Metalfans" who tried to tame especially Death and Black Metal bands. Their lyrics were deemed to violent and "misogynistic".

Most of them wouldn't have this shit.

The only bands who cater to SJW and soy bullshit are mainstream low effort bands like Powerwolf and Sabaton.

 

[ServusLuciferi]

You prefer to live in a small village in the forest or in a few wagons in the steppe? That is what true "paganism", in its indo-European form will allow you to do.

Greek, Roman or Hindu paganism are hybrid Mesopotamian-Indo-European constructions which are inherently unstable. If you are ok with an iron-age style series of boom-and bust cycles, be my guest.

Being a domesticated animal is all a human can be if he wants to fully reap the benefits of language. Assembly-line jobs and white-collar cubicles definitively prove that. The progress of language-based cooperation (industry, tech) can only be achieved by humans who accept to dilute their sense of individuality into an ever stronger sense of transcendence.

That is why the West is declining now. Boomers have convinced most of us that we can be individuals now (to the point of changing our sex at will) The result is that the worldwide network of economic actors that we called "globalization" is crumbling. Our standards of living are going to drastically decline as a result. And I mean drastically.

That’s such a warped view of reality pal. How do you accommodate for the decadence of the European Middle Ages and the Protestant Reformation if Christianity were such the solution you claim it is?

India and Rome both accomplished amazing feets during the classical period in ways the world hasn’t seen since, with Imperial Rome under the Augustian dynasty and King Ashoka’s India wide empire.

The real answer is much more simple. All (from Abrahamism to Hellenic Paganism to Hinduism to Buddhism) Indo-European religions are deeply profound systems reflecting lived human civilized experiences.

Through the cycles of life, nations go through phases where after long searching for interior truth through the unknowable, they eventually look outwardly to external conditions (the society they participate in) through our more animalistic desires. From that their civilizations decline into nihilism and chaos, which brings them back to searching for the unknowable and civility.

The benefit of looking externally is massive technological innovation and human philosophical process, and the destruction of outdated and broken structures. It’s just part of the cycles of life.

We are in the external conditions decline into chaos, we just have to ride the wave my man.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

You prefer to live in a small village in the forest or in a few wagons in the steppe? That is what true "paganism", in its indo-European form will allow you to do.

Greek, Roman or Hindu paganism are hybrid Mesopotamian-Indo-European constructions which are inherently unstable. If you are ok with an iron-age style series of boom-and bust cycles, be my guest.

Being a domesticated animal is all a human can be if he wants to fully reap the benefits of language. Assembly-line jobs and white-collar cubicles definitively prove that. The progress of language-based cooperation (industry, tech) can only be achieved by humans who accept to dilute their sense of individuality into an ever stronger sense of transcendence.

That is why the West is declining today. Boomers have convinced most of us that we can be individuals now (to the point of changing our sex at will) The result is that the worldwide network of economic actors that we called "globalization" is crumbling. Our standards of living are going to drastically decline as a result. And I mean drastically.

You're talking to an animist and naturalist who believes modern western civilization is on the cusp of collapse where I actively embrace it with all the destruction it brings for my god is that of primordial chaos itself. I literally worship chaos.

And on a long enough timeline, the rest of the world will eventually collapse into the ground as well where forests, jungles, green pastures, deserts, and swamps will retake the earth growing out of the ruins of long-abandoned cities. I'm the complete opposite of transhumanism by the way. The difference between me and you is I embrace the savage or animal for this is what we are, mere animals. I don't pretend, presume, or foolishly believe we'll conquer the universe, that to me is the ultimate fantasy that will never materialize.

 

[K9Otaku]

It really isn’t as black and white as that.

What I said is the opposite of black and white

First of all, I’m not advocating us to revert to a purely impulsive existence. That’s a straw man. We should embrace those higher metaphysical components of who we are, with our divine-inspired will, soul, and intelligence.

But much like God fucking the void to create life, our animalistic instincts have intercourse with our spiritual instincts to create higher conceptions of being. Our conceptions of “Romance” for instance our nothing more than a product of our animalistic instincts to reproduce having intercourse with our “language” ideas. Our “love”, same thing; our instinctual altruism rooted in our biological urges to ensure the survival of the young intercoursing with language.

Unfortunately, this is all nonsense. This is indeed a "mish-mash" of ancient esoteric currents and of modern half-baked ideas from what we have been calling "philosophy" since the 17th century.

The reality is that Christianity is the only thought current which has any consistency and coherence in Western thought. It was there for the better part of 2000 years and all its aspects were tested over and over again in countless experiments (monasteries, the Reformation, the colonization of the Americas, etc.) By contrast, everything else was just masturbatory ideas that never underwent any practical testing. This is true of medieval esotericism (both Jewish and "Christian"), of heresies like those of the Cathars and of all modern philosophy up to the end of the 19th century. Then, there was a massive experiment, the Soviet Union (of materialistic philosophy), which was also a massive failure.

As a result, there is nothing in Western thought apart from Christianity that has any track record of practical success. Satan-related esotericism was just a form of mental jerk-off for literate people who were bored of the Church. It never supported any functioning society.

To me, living purely up in the clouds, trying to run away from who you truly are in your core, is literally no different than reducing yourself to an animalistic impulsive existence. It’s a denial of who you are as a human being, with that “divine spark”.

It’s one small feet to kill the inner lion lurking in the darkest recesses of your mind, it’s a massive accomplishment to command that lion on a leash.

To me that’s why the image of Lucifer is so appealing. Always striving, no matter how painful, even if he must burn for eternity, to become something greater than himself, while never denying who he truly is. “I am God.”

Do you have any evidence that this is psychologically and operationally sustainable? Do you know of any significant group of people who lived according to these ideas for, let us say, at least a century?

It is one thing to find an idea appealing, but quite another to be convinced that it can be used as a survivable guide in life.

All mental masturbatory practices are appealing, by definition, but very few are practically survivable.

Christianity was one of those very rare combinations.

 

[ServusLuciferi]

You're talking to an animist and naturalist who believes modern western civilization is on the cusp of collapse where I actively embrace it with all the destruction it brings for my god is that of primordial chaos itself. I literally worship chaos.

the naughty incel worships the chick deep down. Simp.

Imagine worshipping a hole (literally)

(Just kidding, I respect “Chaos” in deep and profound ways)

 

[MarquisDeSade]

the naughty incel worships the chick deep down. Simp.

Imagine worshipping a hole (literally)

(Just kidding, I respect “Chaos” in deep and profound ways)

There are a variety of chaos gods to be found all around the world throughout history and not all of them are the same either. But let's just say I take great pleasure in seeing the arrogant fall to their knees and the prideful or orderly to understand the errors of their ways.

 

[K9Otaku]

That’s such a warped view of reality pal. How do you accommodate for the decadence of the European Middle Ages and the Protestant Reformation if Christianity were such the solution you claim it is?

The Middle Ages and the Reformation were amazing periods of spiritual progress.

The Roman Empire collapsed because Christianity did not have the time to save it. In the West, the empty hole it left offered a Tabula Rasa on which Christianity was free to create a new kind of culture. This took time. But when it was done, the result was the most effective social organization that humanity had ever seen. I am not saying that Western culture is perfect. It isn't. But it is still the best.

India and Rome both accomplished amazing feets during the classical period in ways the world hasn’t seen since, with Imperial Rome under the Augustian dynasty and King Ashoka’s India wide empire.

Nope. None of this surpassed what Mesopotamia and the Middle East had achieved long before them

The real answer is much more simple. All (from Abrahamism to Hellenic Paganism to Hinduism to Buddhism) Indo-European religions are deeply profound systems reflecting lived human civilized experiences.

Through the cycles of life, nations go through phases where after long searching for interior truth through the unknowable, they eventually look outwardly to external conditions (the society they participate in) through our more animalistic desires. From that their civilizations decline into nihilism and chaos, which brings them back to searching for the unknowable and civility.

The benefit of looking externally is massive technological innovation and human philosophical process, and the destruction of outdated and broken structures. It’s just part of the cycles of life.

We are in the external conditions decline into chaos, we just have to ride the wave my man.

Again, this is mostly vacuous nonsense in which a few debris of organized thought are floating at random.

You need an organized framework to be able to think. And frameworks age like good wine. A lot of experimental validation is required to give them any value

 

[ServusLuciferi]

What I said is the opposite of black and white

Unfortunately, this is all nonsense. This is indeed a "mish-mash" of ancient esoteric currents and of modern half-baked ideas from what moderns have been calling "philosophy" since the 17th century.

The reality, is that Christianity is the only thought current which has any consistency and coherence in Western thought. It was there for the better part of 2000 years and it all its aspects were tested over and over again in countless experiments (monasteries, the Reformation, the colonization of the Americas, etc.) By contrast, everything else was just masturbatory ideas that never underwent any practical testing. This is true of medieval esotericism (both Jewish and "Christian"), of heresies like those of the Cathars and of all modern philosophy up to the end of the 19th century. Then, there was a massive experiment, the Soviet Union (of materialistic philosophy), which was a massive failure.

As a result, there is nothing in Western thought apart Christianity that has any track record of success. Satan-related esotericism was just a form of mental jerk-off for literate people who were bored of the Church. It never supported any functioning society.

Do you have any evidence that this is psychologically and operationally sustainable? Do you know of any significant group of people who lived according to these ideas for, let us say, at least a century?

It is one thing to find an idea appealing, but quite another to be convinced that it can be used as a survivable guide in life.

All mental masturbatory practices are appealing, by definition, but very few are practically survivable.

Christianity was one of those very rare combinations.

Why does one have to be sustainable for it to be objectively true? I never suggested that my beliefs and interpretations should be taught so precisely for the masses - something you evidently aren’t, considering how well read you are.

Also, it’s a double standard for Christianity because Christianity was a weirdo cult run by Jews and Jew-worshipping Romans who met in dark caves through cryptic initiatory processes (make sure you have a good sponsor!), to eat the flesh and blood of their living God.

Christianity only became definitive due to the decisions of one man to make it the state religion of Rome. Sure, Christianity got popular, but so did Manicheanism and Mithraism.

And indeed, Christianity’s very essence became morphed with Roman cultural ideas, changing it into something Jesus Himself would have probably never seen coming.

Even down to Christianity incorporating “apotheosis” into their system (slyly renaming it “Theosis”), turning their Saints into a pantheon of gods.

Whose to say that a system reflecting my ideas wouldn’t do the same - accommodate to ideas inscribed in our culture?


The glorious forms of Christianity you seem to venerate are not Christianity in of itself, they are localized forms of it to a particular culture and a particular time period. British Imperial Christianity, Renaissance Christianity. With that you must objectively acknowledge Christianity’s shortcomings - the corrupt Spanish Inquisition, the Papacy’s corruption, the horrendous Byzantine forms of Christianity under Byzantine Emperors who created a new heresy every two centuries and tortured a huge swath of the population for not complying, the technological stagnation, etc.

 

[ServusLuciferi]

You need an organized framework to be able to think. And frameworks age like good wine. A lot of experimental validation is required to give them any value

I’m going off my own interpretations of Oswald Spengler. I need not a Godman to cite him.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

The Middle Ages and the Reformation were amazing periods of spiritual progress.

The Roman Empire collapsed because Christianity did not have the time to save it. In the West, the empty hole it left offered a Tabula Rasa on which Christianity was free to create a new kind of culture. This took time. But when it was done, the result was the most effective social organization that humanity had ever seen. I am not saying that Western culture is perfect. It isn't. But it is still the best.


Nope. None of this surpassed what Mesopotamia and the Middle East had achieved long before them


Again, this is mostly vacuous nonsense in which a few debris of organized thought are floating at random.

You need an organized framework to be able to think. And frameworks age like good wine. A lot of experimental validation is required to give them any value

Still thinks civility is a real thing, cute.

 

[K9Otaku]

Still thinks civility is a real thing, cute.

Civility? I never used that word

 

[K9Otaku]

I’m going off my own interpretations of Oswald Spengler. I need not a Godman to cite him.

Again, no track record

 

[MarquisDeSade]

Civility? I never used that word

Spiritual progress, come now.

 

[K9Otaku]

Spiritual progress, come now.

Spirituality is a technology; a mental conditioning set of tools. Like any other tech, it does improve over time

 

[ServusLuciferi]

Again, no track record

Why does Christianity have a track record that Spengler does not?

Christianity is an amalgamation of Jewish mythology, Plato (even down to John the Theologian referencing Philo), Roman paganism, and centuries of Patristic thought reframing and interpreting all of the above.

Spengler likewise built off of Nietzsche and the philosophers that came before.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

Spirituality is a technology; a mental conditioning set of tools. Like any other tech, it does improve over time

More like a mental conceptional awareness of seeking meaning in a world or universe where there is an absence of such.

 

[K9Otaku]

Why does Christianity have a track record that Spengler does not?

It created Western Culture out of the hole left by the collapse of the Western Roman Empire.

Christianity is an amalgamation of Jewish mythology, Plato (even down to John the Theologian referencing Philo), Roman paganism, and centuries of Patristic thought reframing and interpreting all of the above.

What influences went into it do not matter. What does is that it was used to structure a culture that proved very successful. The proof is in the pudding, not in the recipe

Spengler likewise built off of Nietzsche and the philosophers that came before.

Again, the ingredients do not necessarily make a great pudding. Only practical testing (eating the pudding) can establish that.

When were Spengler or Nietzsche tested? Which successful societies used their thought as guiding principles?

 

[K9Otaku]

More like a mental conceptional awareness of seeking meaning in a world or universe where there is an absence of such.

That is the surface of it. Not its purpose.