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I agree with @K9Otaku

How can you reject the premise that Culture can Override Genes when Americas 1950s is a great testament to his argument?

High Birth Rate
Low Divorce Rate
High Marriage Rate
low Inceldom Rate
Etc


Truth is Women NEEDED Men back then and toed the line and kept their act straight because without Men they’d be the fucking loser who lives with their parents still.

Now because of culture the roles are reversed now we have a culture where Women pick the mate with ZERO consequences and if all our basic necessities are taken care for already women will simply choose by facial genetics.
 
To add to this, this is why many 1st world incels and Normies are able to ascend in the 3rd world aside from their looks score going up compared to the locals. They’re all going to countries where women NEED men
 
To add to this, this is why many 1st world incels and Normies are able to ascend in the 3rd world aside from their looks score going up compared to the locals. They’re all going to countries where women NEED men
If they bring the women to America then they will detach from the incels.

Fact is that even if you force her into being your wife she will never truly love you and if you're truly intelligent you'll never be able to ignore that fact. It's obvious when someone loves you and when they're just tolerating you.
 
"Culture overriding genes" is just forcing women into marriage with men they aren't attracted to. Which I support. But @K9Otaku is suggesting this somehow changes the blackpill. The blackpill is just a set of observations. A diagnosis, if you will, but not a prescription. The prescription/solution may be a change in culture, and then the debate becomes whether that is actually possible
 
If they bring the women to America then they will detach from the incels.

Fact is that even if you force her into being your wife she will never truly love you and if you're truly intelligent you'll never be able to ignore that fact. It's obvious when someone loves you and when they're just tolerating you.
Yes I agree however culture surely does have more of a say so at the end of the day then we give credit to.

If we lived in a different culture we wouldn’t even have to sit here worrying and talking about not having friends or sex, etc

"Culture overriding genes" is just forcing women into marriage with men they aren't attracted to. Which I support. But @K9Otaku is suggesting this somehow changes the blackpill. The blackpill is just a set of observations. A diagnosis, if you will, but not a prescription. The prescription/solution may be a change in culture, and then the debate becomes whether that is actually possible
It does over ride the blackpill, in Brazil I’ve seen some betabuxxers with women shooting WAY above their weight and being able to get with these women.

And to be honest I’m not even sure I’d call it a betabuxx situation because unlike Americans these guys don’t have a dead bedroom and actually get sex from their wife.
 
Yes I agree however culture surely does have more of a say so at the end of the day then we give credit to.

If we lived in a different culture we wouldn’t even have to sit here worrying and talking about not having friends or sex, etc


It does over ride the blackpill, in Brazil I’ve seen some betabuxxers with women shooting WAY above their weight and being able to get with these women.

And to be honest I’m not even sure I’d call it a betabuxx situation because unlike Americans these guys don’t have a dead bedroom and actually get sex from their wife.
Culture is now global thanks to smartphones and social media. Even women in third world countries who are attractive are now richer than you and they're famous beyond belief. You're not going to find anything that someone else hasn't in a 3rd world country. All of the ugly ones stay there and the good looking ones become rich naturally and easily move to other countries.

You CAN go to a 3rd world country for an inferior woman yes. A desperate ugly woman. Either way it's over.
 
Culture is now global thanks to smartphones and social media. Even women in third world countries who are attractive are now richer than you and they're famous beyond belief. You're not going to find anything that someone else hasn't in a 3rd world country. All of the ugly ones stay there and the good looking ones become rich naturally and easily move to other countries.

You CAN go to a 3rd world country for an inferior woman yes. A desperate ugly woman. Either way it's over.
I’ve taken trips to the 3rd world and however this may be true the standards are still significantly lower, especially if you’re white. Not saying JBW or anything I’m just speaking in general.

If you go to small cities in the 3rd world they’re still technologically behind in the sense that most people I knew using modern technology still used fucking Facebook (yes even the young people)
 
I agree with @K9Otaku

How can you reject the premise that Culture can Override Genes when Americas 1950s is a great testament to his argument?

High Birth Rate
Low Divorce Rate
High Marriage Rate
low Inceldom Rate
Etc


Truth is Women NEEDED Men back then and toed the line and kept their act straight because without Men they’d be the fucking loser who lives with their parents still.

Now because of culture the roles are reversed now we have a culture where Women pick the mate with ZERO consequences and if all our basic necessities are taken care for already women will simply choose by facial genetics.
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Fact is that even if you force her into being your wife she will never truly love you and if you're truly intelligent you'll never be able to ignore that fact. It's obvious when someone loves you and when they're just tolerating you.
Why don't you see that love itself is a cultural bullshit myth? No one ever "loves" anyone else. There are always reasons
 
But @K9Otaku is suggesting this somehow changes the blackpill.
I never said that.

The blackpill is just a set of observations. A diagnosis, if you will, but not a prescription. The prescription/solution may be a change in culture, and then the debate becomes whether that is actually possible
Exactly. That is what I have always said.
 
I’ve taken trips to the 3rd world and however this may be true the standards are still significantly lower, especially if you’re white. Not saying JBW or anything I’m just speaking in general.

If you go to small cities in the 3rd world they’re still technologically behind in the sense that most people I knew using modern technology still used fucking Facebook (yes even the young people)
You living with them would expose them to reality.
 
To add to this, this is why many 1st world incels and Normies are able to ascend in the 3rd world aside from their looks score going up compared to the locals. They’re all going to countries where women NEED men
And the whores who put out to JBW tourists become unmarriageable and don't propagate their whore genes. The trick all along, and it's not some clever trick because you actually have to go out of your way to not do it, is to maintain a society where women need men and suffer for not having a man. It's like losing weight, you actually have to do less to lose weight, just don't eat. To have a functional society, just do less: deny women gibs, deny women protection, etc.
If they bring the women to America then they will detach from the incels.
If you geomax, you are there for the location at least as much as for the woman. Never bring her to the west.
Fact is that even if you force her into being your wife she will never truly love you and if you're truly intelligent you'll never be able to ignore that fact. It's obvious when someone loves you and when they're just tolerating you.
So what. It's a business transaction. Do you complain that your car mechanic doesn't fix your car for you, that he does it for the money? Love isn't real. Your dog doesn't obey because it loves you, it obeys because you gave it treats when you trained it. Wanting love from a woman is something you were conditioned to do; what you really want from a woman is obedience. If you had to choose between a woman who "loves" you but disobeys you, and a woman who "doesn't love you" but obeys you absolutely, it's obvious which one is better.
 
If you geomax, you are there for the location at least as much as for the woman. Never bring her to the west.

So what. It's a business transaction. Do you complain that your car mechanic doesn't fix your car for you, that he does it for the money? Love isn't real. Your dog doesn't obey because it loves you, it obeys because you gave it treats when you trained it. Wanting love from a woman is something you were conditioned to do; what you really want from a woman is obedience. If you had to choose between a woman who "loves" you but disobeys you, and a woman who "doesn't love you" but obeys you absolutely, it's obvious which one is better.
Not gonna happen, this isn't a fantasy. She's gonna hate you and cheat on you and fuck you over. You can't force someone to like you. It's not about love it's about simple respect, think about it. Can you trust someone to live with you who you can't trust?

She will pretend you raped her to get rid of you. It's over, accept your fate.
 
If they bring the women to America then they will detach from the incels.

Fact is that even if you force her into being your wife she will never truly love you and if you're truly intelligent you'll never be able to ignore that fact. It's obvious when someone loves you and when they're just tolerating you.
this is why the arranged marriage model of having to wait until 25 to marry is stupid as fuck. it always turns into a dead bedroom. tbh arranged marriage can work but both people need to be very young (under 15 or 16) or its useless
 
this is why the arranged marriage model of having to wait until 25 to marry is stupid as fuck. it always turns into a dead bedroom. tbh arranged marriage can work but both people need to be very young (under 15 or 16) or its useless
Fact is that inceldom will affect you throughout life so even if you get married you will be struggling to get a good job etc. because people hate you and so on, it doesn't really matter that you get a wife, your life will still be shitty, she'll probably hate you, etc.

If you're not rich and you're ugly it's over.
 
I never said that
Perhaps not word for word, but it is the implication of a lot of what you write, and the source of a lot of the criticism against your point. As the blackpill is just a set of observations about reality, it does not make sense to say "genes and culture is the only way to make the blackpill thrive" as you titled another post. It would be like saying "make the theory of gravity thrive". The theory of gravity is what it is. It doesn't survive or fail. It just is. It's mainly a semantics thing, but its why people aren't understanding what you're saying
 
Not gonna happen, this isn't a fantasy.
The fantasy is that western free love reigns everywhere. It does not.
She's gonna hate you and cheat on you and fuck you over.
This carries a multi-year prison sentence in some countries still. In some countries, it's still legal to literally kill her for this. In many countries, it's perfectly legal to beat her. If you think this will make her hate you more, you are projecting. Female nature responds paradoxically to force. She will love you because you overpower her, beat her for disobeying, and reserve the right to kill her. It's been called Stockholm syndrome, it's been called dark triad maxxing, it's the same thing.
You can't force someone to like you.
I don't want to be liked. It's never done me any good. Being feared, that's never failed me. Think about this: how many people work because they like their boss? The world doesn't run on like and love, it runs on fear, force, and reward.
She will pretend you raped her to get rid of you.
Marital rape was invented in America in the 1990s. If you're geomaxxing to a country that believes in marital rape, you fucked up.
 
Perhaps not word for word, but it is the implication of a lot of what you write, and the source of a lot of the criticism against your point. As the blackpill is just a set of observations about reality, it does not make sense to say "genes and culture is the only way to make the blackpill thrive" as you titled another post.
See below. You are mistaken (as are many others).

It would be like saying "make the theory of gravity thrive". The theory of gravity is what it is. It doesn't survive or fail. It just is. It's mainly a semantics thing, but its why people aren't understanding what you're saying
There is no "Theory of gravity" @AnilBashir. What we have about gravity is this:
  1. A shitton of observations of stuff falling on earth and of trajectories of objects in space (planets, asteroids, galaxies, spaceships).
  2. A Newtonian theory of gravity which works fine on Earth and in the Solar System but fails for supermassive objects (Black Holes, Neutron Stars and the like)
  3. Another theory of gravity called General Relativity which works in most cases where the Newtonian theory fails but still fails on some very large scale observations (galaxy rotation curves, Cosmic Microwave Background distribution, Galaxy Clusters collisions, etc.)
  4. A whole slew of newer theories which try to solve the latter problems. Some of them posit the existence of unseen masses (dark matter theories) while others put forward altogether new theories of gravity (MOND, etc).
None of the theories of gravity listed in 2. to 4. is currently able to explain ALL of the observations we have as per 1. As time goes by, even more anomalous observations are added to 1. which make a new theory in category 4. more and more necessary.

So you see what happens in science, even for something as apparently well known as gravity. There are observations on the one hand and there are competing explanatory theories on the other. These are clearly separate.

For the Blackpill it is the same. You have a lot of observations on the one hand (studies + numerous personal observations by incels), and then you have a theory that is most commonly put forward to explain these observations. This is what I call the genetics-only theory.

I never disputed the Blackpill observations. What I do dispute is the genetics-only theory that is being put forward most of the time. I believe that genetics only is not enough to explain what we observe.

More specifically, I understand of course that it is genetics that determines a man's looks. Why I dispute is that women are solely or even primarily genetically determined to choose their sexual partners based on looks. They behave like that today. But they did not in the past. In my view, this is because female sexual selection is based on who the alpha male is, not on who the most handsome male is.

Among animals, the alpha male is not chosen based on looks but on which male wins the most fights. Among humans, who "wins fights" is determined much more by culture than by actual physical combat. In most civilizations (including our own) men are prevented from actual physical combat except during wars and among some criminal groups (niggers). However, each culture provides men with avenues of non-combat competition which will decide who the alpha is. Today, because of the emphasis of the media on male beauty and the saturation of the screens with handsome men, it is enough for Chad to win a beauty contest against other males to be declared the alpha. This is a highly anomalous situation brought on by a cultural factor (the media's behavior). It never existed in any past cultures. In most of these, male handsomeness was viewed as gay and not particularly valued.

That is why I say that the current situation, including inceldom, is primarily due to cultural factors. Female partner choice instincts are not normally driven by male handsomeness, the fact that these instincts have been redirected towards Chad right now has a cultural cause, not a genetic one.
 
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That is why I say that the current situation, including inceldom, is primarily due to cultural factors. Female partner choice instincts are not normally driven by male handsomeness, the fact that these instincts have been redirected towards Chad right now has a cultural cause, not a genetic one.
100%. Looks don't win fights, looks don't kill buffalo, looks don't make tools, etc. Looks do surprisingly little. Good looks are not a proxy for good genes, this is western mythology. Lookism is the product of female license and easy survival.

In hunter-gatherer times, how they bred was almost certainly tournament mating, like we see most herd animals practice today. And it wasn't by women's choice, it was a violence contest among the men, and the winner gets to fuck the women, by force if necessary. Maybe women were always lookist, but lookism has always been suppressed, first by tournament mating, and later by ownership (marriage). Lookism exists today because our culture is retarded and prohibits everything that men can do to suppress it.
 
100%. Looks don't win fights, looks don't kill buffalo, looks don't make tools, etc. Looks do surprisingly little. Good looks are not a proxy for good genes, this is western mythology. Lookism is the product of female license and easy survival.

In hunter-gatherer times, how they bred was almost certainly tournament mating, like we see most herd animals practice today. And it wasn't by women's choice, it was a violence contest among the men, and the winner gets to fuck the women, by force if necessary. Maybe women were always lookist, but lookism has always been suppressed, first by tournament mating, and later by ownership (marriage). Lookism exists today because our culture is retarded and prohibits everything that men can do to suppress it.
Yup
 
See this thread, @based_meme? The genetics-only bullshit is starting to be exposed for the crap it is.

It is certainly not "truth".
 
Fact is that even if you force her into being your wife she will never truly love you
I love her face. I'd love to impregnate her.
You are using "love" in a different sense in the two sentences above.

What I mean by "love does not exist" is that "she will never truly love you" anyways, even if you are Chad. Romantic love does not exist and monogamous pairing is not natural to humans. It is always forced. A foid can have lust for a Chad during a pump-and-dump encounter but that's it. It is all she will ever feel for the guy because she will always meet better Chads along the way and have more lust for them.
 
You are using "love" in a different sense in the two sentences above.

What I mean by "love does not exist" is that "she will never truly love you" anyways, even if you are Chad. Romantic love does not exist and monogamous pairing is not natural to humans. It is always forced. A foid can have lust for a Chad during a pump-and-dump encounter but that's it. It is all she will ever feel for the guy because she will always meet better Chads along the way and have more lust for them.
I agree.

Femoids can't love. Only men can.
 
One hundred percent. Culture >>>> Genes
 
Romantic love does not exist and monogamous pairing is not natural to humans. It is always forced.
Why should we indulge our nature? Nature, not only human nature, is cruel and dirty.
Would you like "romantic love" to become a reality and not just a fantasy of a few men?
 

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