I made a thread recently in relation to female rape (https://incels.is/threads/its-over-even-for-rapists.94560/) and I was surprised to see users of this site giving cliche easily disputed normie tier arguments, I think its a kind of argument that gets used a lot and it never really gets addressed and refuted in a direct manner, so that's the purpose of this thread, the be all end all of this BS argument, you see anyone ever using this BS argument again, you direct them to this thread so they can see how easily it gets dismantled.
The argument basically amounts to - "How would you liked it if A MAN raped you, rape isn't so good/tolerable now, is it?"
First I will address how the argument is illogical and fallacious, then lastly i'll address the implications of such an argument, and how it shows how average men and/or undesirable men are viewed by women and society as a whole.
You'll often see it being spammed on reddit (especially inceltears) and the logic is flawed, and I think even they know it (or would know it if they took the time to process the argument objectively and leave out emotions)
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1. HERE IS MY RESPONSE AS TO HOW THE ARGUMENT IS FALSE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Its not the same thing. Being penetrated sexually is natural for women, in fact its an inevitable reality.
So rape is basically having something THAT WAS DESTINED TO HAPPEN TO THEM (AN LIKELY ALREADY HAS) be done BY FORCE
However a man who is raped by a man is having something THAT WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN TO HIM AT ALL (based on biology) be done BY FORCE
There are so many levels more of violation taking place when a man is raped than when a woman is raped. A man was never meant to be penetrated, never meant to be sexually submissive. Most rape victims have known the taste of dick before they were forced to give oral, a man (an actual man, I don't mean faggots, they don't even count, they are wanna be women) will never know the taste of dick in his entire life if he isn't raped.
So to simplify:
Female Heterosexual Rape - THE INEVITABLE/DESIRED BEING FORCED UPON THEM IN AN UNDESIRABLE FASHION
Male Homosexual Rape - THE EVITABLE/UNDESIRED BEING FORCED UPON THEM IN AN UNDESIRABLE FASHION
Comparing male homosexual rape to female heterosexual rape is a false comparison and is inherently fallacious, notice how instead of proposing the male heterosexual equivalent of rape,people opt for the homosexual, because THEY KNOW it isn't a big deal as society makes it out to be,.If a 2/10 woman (I'm talking butt ugly here) drugged me, tied me down, and force me to watch her ride me till orgasm by being in my face, it would be really fucked up, but it was merely someone forcing me to do something that I wanted to do anyways, just not with them, I can get over that, I would probably kill her if I saw her again, but I would get over it, in a month tops tbh (and lets not forget that most male rapists aren't 2/10, they are 4/10 at worst maybe, majority are likely average 5/10).
But I was never going to have any anal sex ever (on the receiving end) so the argument is a false comparison, everything being done to women during rape is not something foreign to them (in these times), its something they did last week, and more likely literally yesterday before they were raped, its just being done now by someone they aren't attracted to and/or didn't give consent to.
Comparing Female Heterosexual Rape to Male Homosexual Rape is as disingenuous as saying a 100m sprinter being forced to run in marathon is as equally disadvantaged, stress prone and injury prone as a 360lb power lifter being forced to run a marathon. Both parties are used to varying kinds of stimuli and pressure being exerted on their body, one is basically already prepared for it, its part of what THEY ALREADY DO, the other is not prepared and literally NOT BUILT FOR THE TASK. The comparison is inherently false, and I'm pretty sure everyone making this BS argument deep down knows this based on the obvious logical flaws I have pointed out.
Sex for a HETEROSEXUAL FEMALE = PENETRATIVE SEX (RECEIVING END)
Sex for a HOMOSEXUAL FEMALE = PENETRATIVE SEX (BOTH ENDS)
Sex for a HETEROSEXUAL MALE = PENETRATIVE SEX (GIVING END)
Sex for a HOMOSEXUAL MALE = PENETRATIVE SEX (BOTH ENDS)
>Inb4 - "Not all sex is penetrative"
Yeah no shit, thanks for stating the obvious, the exception to the rule doesn't disprove the rule, sex is something that inherently implies penetration, even masturbation is merely one simulating penetrative sex.
For men you are basically just penetrating your hand, having it simulate a vagina, for women they use their hands, fingers or sex toys in place of a penis, even direct clitoral stimulation which isn't explictly penetrative, implies penetration as it can even be stimulated from the act of sex itself, it doesn't require direct hand stimulation.
2. THE IMPLICATIONS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The comparison brings up a key thing I notice about the words used by people when speaking about sex between men and women, it alludes to the idea that women don't really enjoy sex or want to have it, and they don't really want to have sex with average men especially, its more of an obligatory thing they know they have to do as part of being in a relationship.
This is why when male on female (heterosexual) rape is brought up, people make the equivalent comparison a male on male (homosexual) rape, because women are that disgusted with their heterosexual counterparts that its the same as a straight man having to have sex with a man to them, its like women basically saying sex with average men/undesirable men is them "letting us rape them" and they are only dealing with it because of the "social contract", no wonder bedrooms begin to "die" after people get married, women on longer have to keep up the act and put effort in.
Think about it careful, that's the implication of that ridiculous comparison, if a man forcing sex onto a heterosexual woman is comparable to a man forcing sex onto a heterosexual man, then that is truly telling as to what society as a whole thinks about women's mindsets, and women accept the comparison, so that is telling of what women think of men in relation to sex, sex is something they TOLERATE.
To make my point clearer here's an analogy, the setting is a man and a woman sitting at a fast food restaurant, they are friends just out eating
Average Guy: (Grabs her drink and quickly steals a slurp from the straw)
Average Woman: "Eeeew why would you do that, how would you feel if I SMEARED SHIT ALL OVER YOUR STRAW"
When you make the ridiculous comparative argument for rape that I talk about in this post, that's basically the level of escalation taking place here, people are literally claiming that forced sex with a man as a heterosexual woman is as bad as forced sex with a man as a heterosexual man, it is inherently and insult to men, because it implies that the inherent disgust that a man holds for homosexual sexual interactions is the same as the disgust women would hold for heterosexual sexual interactions.
In other words, sex is just what women know they have to do as part of "the trade", of course there are men they want to have sex with, of course they enjoy sex to an extent, but with the majority of men, the average man, if they could have it their way, they'd just get that mans resources without even having to even look in his direction, they don't really want to fuck that average guy, they don't really want to fuck period, well unless its a significantly attractive male (that's the exception, the rule breaker).
The comparison of those two kinds of rape is inherently an insult to males posed by society itself, since this argument is such a socially accepted retort, it shows how low we really are in women's eyes, that both levels of disgust are somehow comparable. Women really don't like men period, they just tolerate us because we built everything around them and make their lives easier via our utility.
The argument basically amounts to - "How would you liked it if A MAN raped you, rape isn't so good/tolerable now, is it?"
First I will address how the argument is illogical and fallacious, then lastly i'll address the implications of such an argument, and how it shows how average men and/or undesirable men are viewed by women and society as a whole.
You'll often see it being spammed on reddit (especially inceltears) and the logic is flawed, and I think even they know it (or would know it if they took the time to process the argument objectively and leave out emotions)
E.G.1 -
E.G.2 -
1. HERE IS MY RESPONSE AS TO HOW THE ARGUMENT IS FALSE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Its not the same thing. Being penetrated sexually is natural for women, in fact its an inevitable reality.
So rape is basically having something THAT WAS DESTINED TO HAPPEN TO THEM (AN LIKELY ALREADY HAS) be done BY FORCE
However a man who is raped by a man is having something THAT WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN TO HIM AT ALL (based on biology) be done BY FORCE
There are so many levels more of violation taking place when a man is raped than when a woman is raped. A man was never meant to be penetrated, never meant to be sexually submissive. Most rape victims have known the taste of dick before they were forced to give oral, a man (an actual man, I don't mean faggots, they don't even count, they are wanna be women) will never know the taste of dick in his entire life if he isn't raped.
So to simplify:
Female Heterosexual Rape - THE INEVITABLE/DESIRED BEING FORCED UPON THEM IN AN UNDESIRABLE FASHION
Male Homosexual Rape - THE EVITABLE/UNDESIRED BEING FORCED UPON THEM IN AN UNDESIRABLE FASHION
Comparing male homosexual rape to female heterosexual rape is a false comparison and is inherently fallacious, notice how instead of proposing the male heterosexual equivalent of rape,people opt for the homosexual, because THEY KNOW it isn't a big deal as society makes it out to be,.If a 2/10 woman (I'm talking butt ugly here) drugged me, tied me down, and force me to watch her ride me till orgasm by being in my face, it would be really fucked up, but it was merely someone forcing me to do something that I wanted to do anyways, just not with them, I can get over that, I would probably kill her if I saw her again, but I would get over it, in a month tops tbh (and lets not forget that most male rapists aren't 2/10, they are 4/10 at worst maybe, majority are likely average 5/10).
But I was never going to have any anal sex ever (on the receiving end) so the argument is a false comparison, everything being done to women during rape is not something foreign to them (in these times), its something they did last week, and more likely literally yesterday before they were raped, its just being done now by someone they aren't attracted to and/or didn't give consent to.
Comparing Female Heterosexual Rape to Male Homosexual Rape is as disingenuous as saying a 100m sprinter being forced to run in marathon is as equally disadvantaged, stress prone and injury prone as a 360lb power lifter being forced to run a marathon. Both parties are used to varying kinds of stimuli and pressure being exerted on their body, one is basically already prepared for it, its part of what THEY ALREADY DO, the other is not prepared and literally NOT BUILT FOR THE TASK. The comparison is inherently false, and I'm pretty sure everyone making this BS argument deep down knows this based on the obvious logical flaws I have pointed out.
Sex for a HETEROSEXUAL FEMALE = PENETRATIVE SEX (RECEIVING END)
Sex for a HOMOSEXUAL FEMALE = PENETRATIVE SEX (BOTH ENDS)
Sex for a HETEROSEXUAL MALE = PENETRATIVE SEX (GIVING END)
Sex for a HOMOSEXUAL MALE = PENETRATIVE SEX (BOTH ENDS)
>Inb4 - "Not all sex is penetrative"
Yeah no shit, thanks for stating the obvious, the exception to the rule doesn't disprove the rule, sex is something that inherently implies penetration, even masturbation is merely one simulating penetrative sex.
For men you are basically just penetrating your hand, having it simulate a vagina, for women they use their hands, fingers or sex toys in place of a penis, even direct clitoral stimulation which isn't explictly penetrative, implies penetration as it can even be stimulated from the act of sex itself, it doesn't require direct hand stimulation.
2. THE IMPLICATIONS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The comparison brings up a key thing I notice about the words used by people when speaking about sex between men and women, it alludes to the idea that women don't really enjoy sex or want to have it, and they don't really want to have sex with average men especially, its more of an obligatory thing they know they have to do as part of being in a relationship.
This is why when male on female (heterosexual) rape is brought up, people make the equivalent comparison a male on male (homosexual) rape, because women are that disgusted with their heterosexual counterparts that its the same as a straight man having to have sex with a man to them, its like women basically saying sex with average men/undesirable men is them "letting us rape them" and they are only dealing with it because of the "social contract", no wonder bedrooms begin to "die" after people get married, women on longer have to keep up the act and put effort in.
Think about it careful, that's the implication of that ridiculous comparison, if a man forcing sex onto a heterosexual woman is comparable to a man forcing sex onto a heterosexual man, then that is truly telling as to what society as a whole thinks about women's mindsets, and women accept the comparison, so that is telling of what women think of men in relation to sex, sex is something they TOLERATE.
To make my point clearer here's an analogy, the setting is a man and a woman sitting at a fast food restaurant, they are friends just out eating
Average Guy: (Grabs her drink and quickly steals a slurp from the straw)
Average Woman: "Eeeew why would you do that, how would you feel if I SMEARED SHIT ALL OVER YOUR STRAW"
When you make the ridiculous comparative argument for rape that I talk about in this post, that's basically the level of escalation taking place here, people are literally claiming that forced sex with a man as a heterosexual woman is as bad as forced sex with a man as a heterosexual man, it is inherently and insult to men, because it implies that the inherent disgust that a man holds for homosexual sexual interactions is the same as the disgust women would hold for heterosexual sexual interactions.
In other words, sex is just what women know they have to do as part of "the trade", of course there are men they want to have sex with, of course they enjoy sex to an extent, but with the majority of men, the average man, if they could have it their way, they'd just get that mans resources without even having to even look in his direction, they don't really want to fuck that average guy, they don't really want to fuck period, well unless its a significantly attractive male (that's the exception, the rule breaker).
The comparison of those two kinds of rape is inherently an insult to males posed by society itself, since this argument is such a socially accepted retort, it shows how low we really are in women's eyes, that both levels of disgust are somehow comparable. Women really don't like men period, they just tolerate us because we built everything around them and make their lives easier via our utility.
